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What's So Bad About Bud?


Often, I hear people rail on about Bud Selig's tenure as MLB Commissioner and wonder, "Why?" I mean, I hear the reasons people are spouting, but I wonder why people think most of the things they are railing about are bad things? The arguments against Bud, generally, fall into two buckets. The micro, specific to a team and market (ie. Bud Selig wants the A's out of Oakland) and the macro (ie. Bud Selig has killed countless kittens, and destroyed the sanctity of the game, by changing the playoff format and having games in November/introducing Interleague play/letting the All Star game decide home field advantage in the World Series/so on and so forth).

On the micro front, I would buy the argument specific to the market we care most about if a) the A's had actually moved out of Oakland at any point over the past 15 years that Selig has been talking about the need for an adequate facility or b) I didn't have to believe that it has taken Bud 15 years to do something that has been completely within his span of control the whole time. But, micro complaints are not specific to the A's.There are grievances in other markets that are specific to those markets and maybe some have more merit.

One complaint I can understand, and fully agree with, is that Selig has orchestrated a fleecing of public funds in just about every MLB market for stadium construction. Of the 21 most recent stadiums constructed to house MLB teams, starting with Oriole Park and ending with Target Field, only four have been built with more private sources of funding than public. Of those four, only two have been as much as 80% privately financed.

Besides that... Bud Selig has been absolutely great for baseball. Okay, that is probably an overstatement, but on balance, he has been good for the game.

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"What?" You say, "What about the canceled World Series in 1994?"

Without taking sides in a 15 year old Labor v. Management struggle, I can say the result has been good for us fans. Specifically for fans of small market teams and their ability to compete. The result of that labor stoppage has been years of changes that have benefited the game. Not the least of which is on display for all of us now: a greater degree of parity.

In the past 10 seasons (2001-2010), with the new playoff format that was introduced in 1995, every team from both the AL and NL West have been a participant in a playoff series. All but one of those teams (San Diego) has won at least one series. Even more interesting is the fact that all but five MLB teams (Montreal/Washington, Baltimore, Kansas City, Toronto, and Pittsburgh) have been participants in a playoff series over that same time frame.

That means five of six NL Central teams, four of five AL Central teams, four of five NL East teams and three of five AL East teams have kept their Metropolitan Areas buzzing with baseball fever into October. All but eight MLB teams have won a playoff series in that time frame, so all but eight teams (the five no shows plus Milwaukee, San Diego, and Cincinnati) have kept their Metroplitan Areas buzzing with baseball fever well into October.

Over that same period of time, at least one team from each division has won the World Series. The White Sox for the first time since 1917. The Red Sox for the first time since 1918. The Angels (I know, a double edged sword) won for the first time in franchise history. The Diamondbacks, too.

This season, we have a franchise that hasn't won since 1954 playing a franchise that has never before tasted the sweet October bubbly (in any playoff series before the two they won this year). No matter what happens today, and throughout the rest of the week, another long drought will have ended. Playing a game or two in November is a minuscule price to pay for the Wild Card round that has given more markets the option to dream of a World Series title late into the season.

As for those other macro complaints... Without Interleague play I would never see my favorite team play in an awesome facility. Well, at least not for the cost of a BART ticket to Embarcadero Station. Hopefully, Bud will stop the consternation and this won't be a reality much longer.

As for the All Star Game, the All Star Game "counting" is not the problem. The All Star Game is just lame in general. The sensible thing to do, would be to cancel it altogether. Then again, it is part of the big TV package that spreads the wealth in MLB, so it can stay. I will continue to ignore it.

Sure, he hasn't been perfect. Steroids? He is partly to blame for that. Armando Galarraga? I'd have liked Selig to do the brave thing and admit that it was a Perfect Game. Jeffrey Loria as an owner? Yeah, that bites. The long delay in sorting out the A's stadium situation? Yeah, it's ridiculous.

But the World Baseball Classic? MLB Network? Revenue sharing? Wild Card Playoffs? Instant replay? Interleague play? More and regionally relevant divisions? Jackie Robinson Day? The Civil Rights Game? Abolition of league presidents/umpires and consolidation of MLB? No work stoppages since 1994? Even the Washington Nationals and the standing up to Peter Angelos it took to create them.

I'll take it.

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One complaint I can understand, and fully agree with, is that Selig has orchestrated a fleecing of public funds in just about every MLB market for stadium construction.

…this is going to be a common complaint amongst many readers. It may even be listed as a positive for ol’ Bud.

by LowcountryJoe on Oct 31, 2010 5:36 AM PDT reply actions  

It is shocking to me that anyone thinks public construction of stadiums is still a good idea.

A three-team facility like the Coliseum made sense, back in the days when people just wanted to go to a ballpark to watch some damn sports and didn’t need it to be some sort of palatial estate with fabulous prizes and activities for the kiddies. That made sense, because Oakland was able to snag three major pro sports franchises.

But dedicated baseball stadiums that will be occupied by one team for maybe 20 years before being torn down (and who foots the bill for THAT new stadium? You get zero guesses, because we all already know) and replaced with another brand shiny new abomination for the mindless masses to “enjoy.” They cost an insane amount of money and they’ve become easy cash-ins for greedy owners (who, by the way, are allowed to keep screwing over their customer bases by a do-nothing commissioner.)

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 31, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

that beyond the question's scope

Public money for stadiums is a good thing — for baseball. Not sure about anything else, but for baseball it’s a sweet deal.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Basically, you’re taxing non-baseball-fans to give money to baseball.

Pretty swell deal if you’re in baseball yourself.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding

Similar to why I’m voting against the prop that would add $18 to vehicle registration to go toward state parks.

I like the state parks but it’s unfair to expect only people with cars to pay toward maintaining them, even if it lets them enter for free.

It’s also unfair to make everyone pay for something only baseball fans (and maybe the occasional concert-goer as one example) will go to.

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by Flashfire on Oct 31, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh?

People with cars are comically hugely subsidized by everyone who doesn’t have a car.

I don’t want to turn this thread into a political catfight, but the idea that car owners are getting some kind of bad break is outrageously false. (Though I admit that it would make a lot more sense to tax gasoline than vehicle registration, since it’s use that causes the damage.)

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not leading it to a catfight, but why should people who don't use state parks be forced into paying for them?

I like to go to them. I’d gladly pay for the admission. If I wasn’t into going I’d be against it. Hell, even as someone who likes to go I’m against it for that reason. Basically it’s a very similar thing to the public-paid ballpark in that there are going to be people forced to pay taxes toward something they have no interest in making use of.

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by Flashfire on Oct 31, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think maintenance and continuation of state parks can be considered a responsibility of the government.

Therefore, it should be paid for with tax dollars.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that government HAS to raise money through general-issue levies

If you’re charging user fees for everything, then it’s just an inefficient, bureaucratic nonprofit company.

I have no problem at all with publicly funded stadiums if a. the stadium continues to be owned by the public, and b. it is rented out to the team at competitive market rates. What I object to is the giveaways, not the fact of constructing buildings through tax dollars.

In the case of parks, they most definitely are still owned by the state, and it’s hard to say that the existing user fees are not market rate, because there isn’t really a “market” for park-ness. And keeping land in its natural state has positive externalities which would not be accounted for by “free market parks” anyway. I’ve seen no evidence that suggests that parkland is a bad societal investment, whereas there are tons of studies proving that stadiums are a horrible investment by rate of return.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are successful public parks...

…where the management has been outsourced to private companies and those companies have to maintain, admit, patrol, clean, set price, remit $ back to the state, and be responsible for P&L after the remittance is accounted for. These parks tend to be cleaner.

by LowcountryJoe on Nov 1, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Good points, all around. Makes me think a bit more about it.

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by Flashfire on Nov 1, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, the world is truly coming to an end.

The Giants have won the world series, and I have agreed with Paul twice in one week.

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by UncleLeo on Nov 1, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's this?

Many people without cars use other people who actually do own car owners to get around [or they use public transportation] Once gasoline and vehicle insurance is factored, non car owners get their transportation on the cheap and about eight cents on someone else’s dime. Gasoline is already heavily taxed by multiple layers of taxing authorities and the property and casualty insurance to carry is compulsory.

by LowcountryJoe on Nov 1, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

I don’t blame MLB for trying to get whatever they can con anybody into giving them. If I could con the local Dodge dealer to give me a new Viper, I’d take it.

I do blame politicians and city/county/state officials who fall for it. If I could have my way, EVERY city/county/state they approach would tell them, “Not no, but hell no.”.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally agree

That’s the municipalities’ jobs to regulate. Tuhhe cities should deal with it.

It’s the cities’ jobs to control the public money purse strings. It’s Selig’s job to act in the best interest of baseball.

It should be a HUGE plus for Selig that MLB has been able to get stadiums publically financed to that extent.

by Blicks on Nov 1, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just got off a plane so maybe I'm a little slow but did this front page post just say Bud Selig has been good for the game?

So the guy who had a World Series canceled under his watch is good for the game?

So the guy who had the worst drug scandal in the sports history under his watch is good for the game?

So the guy who now has a World Series that will go into November and gets lower ratings in the 18-34 demo than The Big Bang Theory is good for the game?

Bud Selig is a twit.

But seriously, folks....

by Bed on Oct 31, 2010 6:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Under his watch

Interesting thing about the first two items on your four item list. These two things can be directly attributed to the stubborness of the players (and their union). The strike was in response to the owners who, in my opinion, stupidly wanted to institute a salary cap on themselves. The players didn’t want this because it might have affected the amount that they would have been compensated. Today, a great many fans [I’m not one of them] actually believe that the salary cap would be a great idea. The Performance enhancing drugs situation in the game was also player-centered [they didn’t want to be tested and certainly didn’t want the results made public] and involved many players thinking that they could achieve better results by introducing steriods in their bodies. Most vested interests that were currently actively participating in the game didn’t seem to mind the rebound in the popularity of the sport — so Selig was not in any way alone with doing nothing to stop it. Past players were the ones that were hurt and so were a selection of hardcore fans who place their enthusiasm for the game in its history and its emphasis on records.

I’m neutral on Selig being good/bad for the game. I liken the whole premise behind the question as I do questions that are asked of about past/present president of the United States being good/bad for the country. There’s other people/groups that are usually far more responsible for the goodness or badness of a country’s direction than its figurehead.

by LowcountryJoe on Oct 31, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I pretty much agree with your last paragraph, but...

…stop short of the “figurehead” label. Unless they’re completely ineffectual… at which case their days are numbered anyway… baseball commissioners and Presidents set the tone, and that’s not insignificant.

I liken the whole premise behind the question as I do questions that are asked of about past/present president of the United States being good/bad for the country. There’s other people/groups that are usually far more responsible for the goodness or badness of a country’s direction than its figurehead.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

One can be ineffectual in some circumstances...

… yet still be useful or even very useful overall: for presidents, probably not so much because voters are a very demanding sort. But when a leader [private and especially public] doesn’t wield the bulk of the power any longer — as the U.S. may find out pretty soon here — the leadres are reduced to moren a figurehead role and are no longer much the tone setters. Selig only has as much power as the owners allow him to have and the owners only have as much power as they have leverage over the fans and the player’s union respectively.

by LowcountryJoe on Oct 31, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but...

…Selig is commissioner BECAUSE the owners feel he best suits their interests, and is effective in doing so.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The game has several problems that,

if addressed in collective bargaining, would brighten the future. Baseball is doing fine. It should be doing even better.

However, those that affix full blame to Bud for MLB’s ills (real or imagined) are overestimating his power. Bowie Kuhn could spank people; Bud can’t.

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by SubLime on Oct 31, 2010 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Bud can't spank people because of the situation he created.

It’s likely that no commissioner will ever have any serious control over the owners anymore because of what Bud did. Bud engineered the coup, and the entire idea behind it was that the owners needed to have full control. If Bud tried to corral the owners now, they’d just oust him the way they ousted his predecessor and replace him with another do-nothing figurehead.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 31, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

the FOX contract
the MLBtv restrictions
blackout regions
waaaaaay too many days off during the playoffs
the continued appeasement to tv

honestly it’s the little things that I find wrong with Selig. He may not have that much control, but what he does have control over, he’s been slow to react and hasn’t chosen the integrity of the game over the money to be made. Particularly when a lot of money could be made either way.

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by DMOAS on Oct 31, 2010 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

The question was

Has he been good for the game?

TV exposure is good for the game. To some extent, he has to agree with some of what Fox/ESPN/TBS want so that they will show the games. Everything you mentioned has to do with TV, which he does not have absolute control over. He can’t just say “MLB.tv shall be available for all, regardless of your location” without thoroughly upending TV contracts with the big boys and the RSNs.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Fox contract is not good for the game at all. It KILLS TV exposure.

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by mikev on Oct 31, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of it kills exposure of the game

And in most cases are completely unnecessary.

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by DMOAS on Oct 31, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I think that's why you're seeing a lot of Saturday night games now

I wouldn’t be surprised if Saturday became a lot like Sunday night. I would be for it. Nothing I hate more than paying money for MLB.tv and not getting a game I technically pay for.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

what have the romans done for us

besides the road, medicine, keeping the peace, and the aquaducts?

But seriously, you point out many benefits of the selig years. That’s all well and good, my biggest beefs with selig is things that I think are good for mlb in the short term but bad in the long run. If what bed says about the 18-34 market, that is the problem. and I think what DMOAS says are the reasons.

My complaints are summarized well by DMOAS.

Good post jeffro

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by Future Ed on Oct 31, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

about instant replay

I took the way the post do be written sounded like what Bug was doing with instant replay is a positive. I totally disagree. Instant replay is not used enough, because umpires are still not held accountable for their calls. During the playoffs, we have Buster Posey’s “stolen base” and Young’s “check swing”, which were huge in those games. The Galarraga perfect game as well.

This strike 3 call to stop a tie game: http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9391381&c_id=det

The human element that Bug is so fond of is hurting the integrity of the game.

Kerwin Danley is a horrible umpire. So is C.B. Bucknor.

by Cretgren on Oct 31, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Instant replay shouldn't be judged yet.

The people who are 100% convinced it should be instituted would ask what the hold up is, while those who are 100% against it would be the exact opposite. The truth, I believe, is in the middle… it’s a work in progress and judgment of what Bud does with it should be reserved for later.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

the first thing we can do is stop calling it instant replay or "review"

the use of cameras in umpiring should be a fifth umpire in the booth watching the game and signaling down when something is wrong. No need to review, or wait for a protest from a manager.

the strike zone should be a computer.

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by Future Ed on Oct 31, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 31, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how well that would work...

…to have what is essentially a co-worker… not a boss or supervisor… tell you that you screwed up… publicly. Now, I suppose you could make that person a supervisor of some sort, but the public aspect of “you screwed up” is really touchy.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

It’s more I’m giving you the freedom to make a call knowing that in the unfortunate situation you guess wrong, someone’s got your back. They’re Quality Control. You send something to your QA department and they find something wrong with it, it gives you an opportunity to correct it. Otherwise, you have to live with it being wrong. As it is now, we KNOW when something is called wrong and they look the worse for not fixing it.

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by DMOAS on Oct 31, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just gave the correct and logical answer.

Too many people aren’t logical beings.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that.

Let them be humiliated. I’m done with respecting them. Even the best of them make way too many mistakes and they get away with it because no one in power gives a damn. Let them be humiliated in public over and over again.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 1, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by Flashfire on Oct 31, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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Here. This is actually kinda good.

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by Flashfire on Oct 31, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Funny is funny. This is funny.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!!

Even better.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still cracking up every time I scroll by this.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Bud is not what he's done but what he hasn't done.

He hasn’t instituted a legitimate hard salary cap.
He didn’t give Galaragga his perfect game.
He hasn’t replaced home plate umpires with robots.
He hasn’t instituted any kind of instant-replay for close plays in the regular season, not even an NFL-style challenge system. This would not only hold umpires accountable for their ever-deteriorating abilities, but it would cut down on ejections and give umpires an opportunity to not have to live with what Jim Joyce has to live with.
He hasn’t issued a decision on the A’s stadium issue; there’s no way it should be taking this long.
He did nothing substantive about steroids.
He has not addressed common-sense solutions to the broken-bat issue.

There are a few things he has done that I also disagree with (his creepy iron fisted grip on who’s allowed to be an owner in baseball, his apparently inability to grasp his conflict of interest with making a major decision on an issue in which an old frat buddy is involved, his cancellation of the World Series, the entire Expos/Nationals deal, the creation of four unnecessary expansions that diluted the talent pool), but mostly it’s what he hasn’t done that makes him a crappy commissioner in my eyes.

That said, I hope he expands the playoffs again. Without a salary cap (and we will always be without a salary cap in MLB), there have to be more opportunities for teams that aren’t the Yankees, Phillies, and Red Sox (you can probably include the Twins, Rangers, and Angels in there now as well) to make the postseason. Six playoff spots in each league, two best of five series, two best of seven series. If you start the season early enough and you make the playoff schedule mobile and adjustable (If both winners of the LDS are done in three games, they should play the LCS two days later) with fewer off-days, you’ll still be done by November.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 31, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Bud Selig

A lesser evil than perhaps David Stern?

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by Hit4TheCycle on Oct 31, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

game thread?

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL!

if no one comes around in like 15 min to make one, I’ll make a pseudo-gamethread as an FP

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please do

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by Englishmajor on Oct 31, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay, maybe I'll just do that now...

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay

http://www.athleticsnation.com/2010/10/31/1785916/pseudo-game-thread-ws-game-4

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 31, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't understand the problem with Inter-league

I love it. It’s nice to see teams I wouldn’t normally ever get to watch, and I like the A’s vs. Pirates match-up

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by MissOakland on Nov 1, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

What disturbs me goes back before he was comissioner.

It was the “theft” of the Seattle Pilots. Yes the team was in bad shape financially, but not bankrupt until one of the local investors pulled out at the last minute. The team was then sold to Selig and moved to Milwaukee. From what I have read, there was some secret meetings to make the major investor leave the Seattle group thus making the sale happen. After Seattle sued MLB they were awarded a franchise, sure Seattle was made whole, but it should not have happened, it forced expansion earlier than wanted.

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by billyball1981 on Nov 1, 2010 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Similar accusations have been made regarding Tampa/St Petersburg.

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by UncleLeo on Nov 1, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny how baseball works

The city of Milwaukee sued MLB forcing the Braves to stay two more years before moving to Atlanta. The suit continued and the Pilots are moved to Milwaukee. Seattle sues and gets the Mariners, so after the “promise” of a franchise for St. Petersburg, (the Giants), they get expansion. As a side note, Charlie Finley considered moving the A’s to Seattle, but he had a 20 year lease in Oakland.

Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969

by billyball1981 on Nov 1, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I've said...

And I’ll say it again, since this is an actual post about Bud Selig – his time as commissioner will be looked at with very high regard as time goes on. People don’t like him since he comes across weasily at times, but who cares? I don’t agree with everything he’s done nor said but the game under his watch has been very successful. He also is from the small market side of things, something A’s fans should appreciate.

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by WiscoFan on Nov 2, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure the good outweighs the bad

November baseball – bad
Increased playoffs diminishing the regular season and World Series – bad
Interleague play – bad
Unexplainable blackouts for satellite TV games – bad
Getting rid of almost all artificial grass – good
Grabbing public money for private profit – bad
Giving up the Brewers – good
MLB Channel – good

If I enjoyed interleague play and the third or fourth best teams from each league playing in the World Series in November, I suppose Bud would get my approval.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Nov 3, 2010 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

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