Uniform Stats, Because...Why Not?
And now, for something completely different.
Instead of focusing on tomorrow's World Series matchup that nobody wanted, why not switch gears entirely? Uniforms!
A quick overview: The A's used four regular uniforms this season. White and black at home, and gray and green on the road. Since the starting pitcher is given the choice of jersey color, here are the choices that each pitcher made throughout the season.
A certain Brandon Davis sent an absurdly detailed uniform tracking spreadsheet to Paul Lukas (the guy who runs the Uni Watch blog), which contained more information about 2010 A's jerseys than you'll ever possibly need. Now, it's obviously a little pointless, and it surely wouldn't meet statistical significance standards, but why not play around with this data somewhat?
The spreadsheet tallies up results by winning percentage, but we'll get better results by sticking to runs scored and runs allowed. Instead of a simple yes-no/win-lose, runs scored/against allows for a more well-defined measuring stick.
First, the offense. I'm going to assume that the offense was the same throughout the season, or more importantly, I'm going to assume that there was no systematic bias in the offensive players for each jersey. In other words, when zoomed out and averaged on the whole, the lineups on green jersey days, for example, weren't significantly better or worse than white jersey lineups. That said, there is still one source of bias that I'll need to correct for—home/road performance. Thankfully, that's easy enough to apply an adjustment factor for. And the results?

After accounting for home/road performance, the clear winner is the gray away jerseys. The offense almost scored as many runs on the road with the grays as they did at home. That performance is even more impressive, because the home/road production difference was rather sharp this year. According to their Pythagorean expectation, the A's played like a 101-win team at home, and a 72-win team on the road.
Now, measuring pitching is more difficult. I can't make the same assumptions about bias, because there is a bias this time around—different pitchers choose different jerseys. It wouldn't make sense to sum up the runs allowed like I did for the offense. For example, the black jerseys were only worn by Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzalez, and Justin Duchscherer. Four very talented pitchers, without any of the less-talented players. Instead, I separated it out by starting pitcher, and made the assumption that the bullpen didn't change by jersey color.
There's a movement against black jerseys on teams that don't have black as an official color, just for black's sake (here, and here). Some bad news on that front—all three of the full-time starters that chose black performed a whole lot better while wearing it.

Then again, all of this black alternate jersey stuff might be for nothing, as it's rumored that the A's are scrapping the black jersey for a throwback-style gold one next year. Let's hope these guys can adapt.
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Dan, you may proceed to propose to shoes now
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
Wasn't this post the proposal?
And her comment the response? I think that heart means yes.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Wait, is he marrying Pam as well?
Don’t they share uni duties?
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 26, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
that settles it
the A’s are moving to Salt Lake City.
"Why is it listed as a fact on Wikipedia?" - hishnik
wow, nearly a full run better for both Gio and Cahill
Impressive
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
If they're really doing a gold alt next year
I think I’m going to be purchasing my first current A’s jersey (I have two throwbacks).
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
It won't matter what uniform the A's wear next season as long as they,
FIRE GEREN, and sign Juan Uribe, Magglio, and Big Daddy Vlad…
Every man for himself...
Uribe = do.not.want
Vlad = he’s playing the field in the WS? LOL
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!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Uribe at 2B instead of Ellis...
When Rosales subs for Uribe, he can also play 3B and SS, whereas Ellis is 2B and that’s it…
Vlad > Cust IMO
I’m hoping they sign Magglio which would give them a OF of Carter, Crisp, Ordonez.
with Sweeney and Rajai Davis on the bench!
Every man for himself...
Huh.
Do you hate defense and on-base percentage?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
No I don't hate defense and on-base percentage, but I am not infavor of what Beane has on the roster currently...
I think Ellis @ 6million is an over payment for him.
What’s wrong with an OF of Carter, Crisp, Ordonez?
An IF of Kooz, Pennington, Uribe, Barton
with Suzki at cathcher and Vlad at DH?
Every man for himself...
my lineup
Crisp- CF
Barton – 1B
Ordonez- RF
Vlad- DH
Carter- LF
Suzuki- C
Uribe-2B
Koozmanoff- 3B
Pennington- SS
Bench; Cust, Sweeney, Rosales, Davis, Donaldson
Every man for himself...
Yeah, 6 mil is an overpayment for Ellis.
Welcome to Oakland. Overpayments are what we do, and you’re going to overpay for Uribe, you’re going to overpay for Hudson, you’re going to overpay for the corpse of Mike Bordick, you’re going to overpay for anyone you get to play here that’s half-good.
An OF of Carter, Crisp, and Ordonez is fine if you don’t like to have any outfielders who are both reliably healthy and reliably good at defense. Personally, I could go for at least one of those, and failing that, I’d at least like a guy like Swingles, who’s cheap and good at D, even if he is injury-prone.
An IF of Kouz, Pennington, Uribe, and Barton is also fine, if you want to have the exact same infield offensive production as we got in 2010, but minus a loyal Athletic who’s still one of the best defenders in baseball, and plus a mediocre NL hitter who’s not that good at defense.
Vlad at DH is not a good idea because we don’t play our home games in Arlington.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
uribe and ellis has the same WAR, despite Uribe playing 20 more games and the vast majority of them at short.
He will get 6 million easy and not be better
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
someone smarter will have to put details on it
but basically, WAR is calculated using defensive data as well as offensive. Because all positions on the field are not equally difficult to play, teams tend to put people with better offensive data at easier positions to play.
Because of this, people in harder positions tend to be worse batters. Therefore, other smart people have calculated and published positional “adjustments” to incorporate into their calculations of a players worth. The people who do such calculations all conclude that playing shortstop is worth more than 2nd and do some mathmagics to show that.
So switching Uribe to 2nd would lower his “WAR” score.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yep.
Or, to put it another way, the replacement level that WAR is measuring up from varies from position to position. A replacement SS is a worse batter than a replacement 2B.
WAR is derived from a formula
At fangraphs it is wRAA+UZR+(insert positional adjustment here). The you have to add in the replacement value which is 20/600*plate appearances.
the whole formula looks like this: wRAA+UZR+Pos Adj+Replacement Level. This gives tyou RAR (Runs Above Replacement) which can then be converted into wins (9.6 runs equal a win)
A Short Stop has a positional value of +7.5 (per 162 games), second base has a value of +2.5 (per 162 games). Uribe played a some games at 2B, and one at 3B, and 148 games in total so his positional adjustment was 4.9 rather than 7.5.
If you took Juan Uribe’s numbers from this year and just changed the positional number (which isn’t the best because his UZR would likely be higher playing 2B rather than SS) he would go from.. 0.2+6.8+19.2+4.9=31.0 RAR/3.2 WAR to 0.2+6.8+19.2+1.6=27.8 RAR/2.9 WAR.
Mark Ellis earned 3.2 WAR this past season in 20 something fewer games. It’s likely Uribe is a down grade. A marginal improvement at best.
Not to mention his #'s would take a steep dive in OAK
His HR taotal would be in the mid to low teens playing his home games in the Colli
"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010
The BPF's for AT&T and Oakland are pretty similar
AT&T is 101 this year, 98 over the long haul.
Coli is 100 this year, 100 over the long haul.
His offense might improve in Oakland.
6 million is not really much of an overpay for Ellis.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Oct 26, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Somehow I doubt that.
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BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Translation:
Over the past three years, the average cost on the free agent market of player value equivalent to what Mark Ellis provided this past season was $12.9M.
If it feels wrong to you to say Ellis was “worth” that much, that may be because non-free-agent players tend to be far less expensive, or perhaps because you believe the market will soften and players won’t command as much after 2010 as they have the past three years.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
yes
And assuming the A’s decline the $6M option on ellis, they would have to replace his production. Juan Uribe would be a free agent. He is likely to get near what Elllis is getting, which is probably what he and ellis are worth.
wait what are we talking about?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Whoa.
1) It’s statistically proven that Bob Geren is a better manager in yellow uniforms.
2) Juan Uribe?
3) Does Vlad go by Big Daddy?
4) Why would you want to sign Vlad when there are so many more consistent power hitters in the game?
5) Juan Uribe?
6) This post was mostly in jest.
7) I’m still not coming up with any reasons to put Juan Uribe in there.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Notwithstanding that he fluked his way into one of the weirdest home runs in postseason history,
Juan Uribe is normally an overweight, immobile infielder who’s less disciplined at the plate than your average seven-year-old boy.
No thanks.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You know, PT, I'm getting SICK AND TIRED of your shit lately.
My seven year old has much better plate discipline than Juan Uribe.
Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor
Pam liked my old sig better.
All my plate-discipline image-gags are
copyright-protected images.
Stupid rules.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I guess I can't post the picture of my kid taking his hacks, either
Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor
Pam liked my old sig better.
You're reading way too much into it.
I wasn’t thinking of SBN at all. Just a mindless faux-anarchist swipe against copyright generally that I didn’t actually mean seriously.
I was just miffed at my failure to Google up a non-professional picture showing the same thing.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Dude. Lawl.
Seriously.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
UZR suggests he's a surprisingly good fielder, despite his appearance
Bad OBP, but no worse than Kouzmanoff and better power (even setting aside that absurdly lucky homer the other night)
by Glorious Mundy on Oct 26, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
UZR seems to love every Giants player this year (with Sandoval being a notable exception).
Seriously, even the ever impressive statue named Pat Burrell has a +10 UZR/150. Just another example of everything going right for the Giants this year.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Oct 26, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Burrell thing is fluky
But Uribe’s career numbers are pretty good, especially when he is playing second.
by Glorious Mundy on Oct 26, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an apt description of a quintessential Beer League player
Maybe that’s the next exploitable, undervalued market…
Buy the new bestseller from Michael Lewis, the story of how Brian Sabean changed the game of baseball. Thrill to the Giants' exploits in...Stupidball.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I enthusiastically rec this post.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
by pam5981 on Oct 26, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And I'm pretty sure shoes is the other rec.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I tend to forget about recs on front-page posts.
But it is now rec’d.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This comment makes dan sad.
And is going to put him way behind elcroata for lifetime recs.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I post-rec this enthusiasm.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
My fave:
After accounting for home/road performance, the clear winner is the gray away jerseys.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
That's only if you actually believe they wore the grays 31 times this season.
I think that’s a mistake. They wore gray three times, white 54 times, green 51 times, and black 71,436 times.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we need to start a gray aways ONLY movement.
CT ..."he’s not just an asshat with a mic" - cuppingmaster
My scheme:
Monday: Pitcher’s choice
Tuesday: Gold
Wednesday: White/Gray
Thursday: Green
Friday: Black
Saturday: Gold
Sunday: White/Gray
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
I’m too new school, but I liked the black jersey tops a lot. The hunter green tops was acceptable as well, but gold/yellow? Ewwww……
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Maybe some
Art majors can chime in here, but black white, yellow colors:

look much better than say
:
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Dude, that yellow jersey is the awesome.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So much so
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I can dig
this gold version…if the light green was turn to black or dark green…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
It's phenomenal
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
its better than that
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Oct 26, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The gold alt would really have to be in the '70s style.
With the A’s logo in the corner rather than the Athletics script. It just seems kind of wrong this way.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Though I’d change the hat to a yellow base with a green bill and add the last name to the back.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'm not sure I like the vest look.
Even if it’s still a one-piece top, with different colored sleeves, it looks kinda wifebeater-y.
Nah
They’d only be wifebeater-y if they ripped the sleaves off and it wasn’t buttoned up. And they wore no pants.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And for those who don't know
Soon after the 6’-2" (1.89 m), 240-pound (108.8 kg) Ted Kluszewski joined the Reds, he cut off the sleeves of his uniform, much to the chagrin of the Reds front office. He did it because the tight sleeves constricted his large biceps and shoulders and interfered with his swing. “They got pretty upset, but it was either that or change my swing — and I wasn’t about to change my swing”, said Kluszewski. Kluszewski became notorious for his strength; Hall of Fame manager Leo Durocher was asked to name five of the strongest players in baseball, he complied. When the it was pointed out that he’d left Ted Kluszewski off his list, Durocher said: “Kluszewski? I’m talking about human beings!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kluszewski
Last of the Ninth - Photography
They should have hired a better tailor then
But that uniform without sleeves is no longer uniform.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Nice, jeffro!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Dislike the black jerseys
Please don’t ever bring them back. The A’s don’t look like the A’s in them.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
I agree,
the A’s are one of the few teams in baseball with interesting colors and black jerseys are almost a disservice to the posibilities they could have. I don’t think they necessarily need to go this far -

- but they might as well do something a little less dull.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Oct 26, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SKITTLE HELMETS.
That was awesome.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Oh, yes, they do need to go that far.
Those are my favoritest ever, even without the helmets.

more here (without height tags!)
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I found those socks online somewhere before.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Ewww
Nasty…. :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
OMG.
You’re crazy.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
And
you’re color blind? :X
Atrocious…./shudder ….those pale yellow/greens are too retro for me… I prefer the hunter greens from several years back personally:

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
i like the green, i wasn't such a fan of the black
by OakA'sHoney on Oct 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Green is the A’s.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
Dude, it's hip to be retro.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The hunter green is nice, but
I like the kelly green even better. Especially the pitcher’s hat in the middle picture. Is that Greg Smith? I think it is.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Tis Greggles
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 26, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The hunter green provides a better contrast to the kelly.
Kelly is too bright on bright for my taste. Just like the green on black with the more recent black jerseys. The original blacks had yellow and green more predominate and they looked a lot better.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I wouldn't mind seeing the original blacks come back.
A white, a gray, an old-school black, a gold, a green. Can’t go wrong.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't front, those unis are awesome.
I wear my Campaneris giveaway with pride. I just need a yellow helmet to go with it.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to thank Braden for respecting the home whites
Gonzalez doesn’t like white or gray at all!
Last of the Ninth - Photography
its funny with Gio
I remember hearing an interview with him, before his scheduled first start at home ever. the interviewer (Fosse?) asked him what uni he was going to wear and he was emphatic that it had to be the white one.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Hah.
Looks like he chose the gray for his first road start, and then switched to greens after that. And his first home start was in white…then he immediately switched to black for the rest.
Sweet. This is so awesome.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
this is the best post ever written, sorry elcroata
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
seriously I loved you majors for a day thing
I wish that you win the lotto so you can have time to track those people down and make a book.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
That is one hell of an idea, Ed.
With or without winning the lottery.
I'm here to talk about the past.
But if you do win the lotto
don’t forget about the bar.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I won't forget about that.
Even with the four dollars I currently have in my wallet.
I'm here to talk about the past.
No, the best post ever written was Bloomie's evil Sock Puppet post last January
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 26, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I own the right to that, by the way.
I’m optioning a movie with Warner Brothers. Tom Hanks and Mr. Hat are on board.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 26, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite the performance deficency
The current green is still far and away my favorite jersey. And despite it’s success the black is still an abomination that shouldn’t be allowed to exist and should be erased from history for being too close to the hated Giants and Raiders primary color.
I'm not that big of a fan of the green, actually.
Too dark. If it was more like those throwback skittle helmet sleeves, that’d be better.
but that's the true A's color
dark green
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
True.
What if they had some kind of accents on them or something? The solid green just seems too dark.
OK, then, how about dark green!
(Oh rats, my “accent” joke doesn’t work in type.)
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
true a's color
is hunter green right?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Kelly, forest, and hunter have all been official A's colors.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
and gold and white, for that matter, but I was just referring to the different greens.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The greens are pretty.
But I think they should wear them more at home. They look nice with the white pants.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
They don’t look right with the road gray pants. In fact if they keep black it would go better with black.
Can't wait for those Gold Alts

And 70’s Graphics.
The FairWeather Channel - Sports Comics and Bandwagon Forecast
I demand 70s graphics on every broadcast.
Comcast, are you listening? I will get your digital cable whatever if you promise to do 70s graphics on every broadcast.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
How about
gray and yellow? Similar to this cap design….Fresh and bright…I can dig this…

Heck, I think i’ll buy the cap now! ;)
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
NO
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I would so wear that.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I think it's cute, don't you?
I really like the gray and yellow.
"Why is it listed as a fact on Wikipedia?" - hishnik
wow
we agree ;)
If Moneyball represents statistical / quantitative analysis, then should we call subjective / qualitative analysis “Uni-ball”? :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
I need a link to this hat. Help?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Here yo go..
http://www.goahats.com/oakland-athletics-new-era-59fifty-fitted-greyyellow-hat-id11653-p-1284.html
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
$10!!!?!!?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
+$15
for shipping LOL!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
15 bucks for shipping?
That’s ludicrous. I’ve had hats shipped to me for three dollars. Hell, I’ve had hats shipped to me for free, it’s not cost-prohibitive.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Preaching to the choir
bro….but, i bought it anyways…will add it to my collection! ;)

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Ya..
green and gold is not my cup of tea…i prefer alternates personally
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
There's a reason you don't like green and gold? Why's that?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Probably
the same reason you like the yellow and grey hat…i never wear yellow or green as it clashes with my clothes too much….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Well I'm glad we agree on this one :)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
If you get bored of your collection, will you sell it to me for free?
I have an OK selection, but it’s heavy on on-field designs. I don’t have the funds to branch out into other areas of A’s hats.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
best bet
is to go to fan appreciation days at the end of the year….i got 3 hats for $10! gave them to family, friends, etc. and kept the ones i liked. personally, i like the alternates more than the field ones. guess i just like to be different. :(
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
by ST on Oct 28, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why it's selling for $10
Otherwise you’d see it sold for $20 and $5 shipping or something like that.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Let's call it BottomLineBall.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Blech.
Pam, your taste is so strange. Most of the time you’re on, but then you do crazy-ass things like wear orange, or hideous gray-and-yellow cap.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
So that's why she was sending those tissue samples up north?
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 26, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure your fashion sense is impeccable.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'm a guy. I'm not supposed to have fashion sense.
Normally I would ask someone like you. But I do know that orange is ugly. There’s a reason Shoes was at the top of the fashion judge list in my GOG.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Way to go, you.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I do, however, admire your commitment
to your own aesthetic judgment even in the face of widespread disagreement from your peers.
Seriously, I really do.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I am so glad you have validated my opinion.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I do not, however, admire your talent
for always deflecting a genuine compliment with snark.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
There's a word for that.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
What's that?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Oh hell no
I ain’t gonna say it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Sometimes I can't tell if you're trying to be funny
or you really don’t like me. Today I’m leaning toward the latter.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Always leaning towards the former Pam.
Always :) Though, occasionally I fall flat on my face because I lean too hard.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
huh. pot meet kettle.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 26, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooh Oooh
Can I be pot?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Pretty sure I'm the pot.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Damn it!
Fiiiiiine… I’ll be kettle. But can we pick a color other than black for you to call me? That’s so cliche.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Gray and yellow.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
That’s what’s she’s going to call ST, not me.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I know what I'm going to call you.
I just can’t say it here.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Take it to the DLD.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
You know what
Rules take the fun out of everything. ;)
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'm gray and yellow now?
I think i’m more brown and yellow in hue… =/
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
by ST on Oct 28, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when you said my lack of fashion sense and nice clothing could be changed?
I’m thinking of asking Shoes about that.
Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor
Pam liked my old sig better.
Sounds great.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Go cry to Shoes.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
YUP.
So cute.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
those hats are hideous
It looks like someone washed their A’s hat in a cement mixer. Are you sober?
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Very.
I love them. I wear gray and yellow together all the time.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I....
don’t.
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That's nice.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Here's my dirty secret:
I love every uniform the A’s have ever worn, and I love every uniform they ever will wear, as long as it’s got that blackletter A, that white elephant, and/or “Oakland” on it.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
-
(If you’re doing the math at home, that means there is exactly one jersey I do not care for: the year the road jersey said “Kansas City.”)
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Was the 88'-90'ish
home player jersey made by Rawlings?
Reason I ask is because it doesn’t have the black letter A, has a green elephant (with white outline – i guess that counts), and no Oakland on it.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Yeah it does.
That’s a blackletter A at the start of the wordmark.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't...
It’s dark green letter A. I have it in front of me.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Is this like a pun...?
If you’re talking about the home whites, which the team still currently wears, the font of the A is blackletter. If there’s a home jersey from 1988-1990ish that I don’t know about, that’s another story, but assuming that we’re talking about the home whites the team has worn for 23 years, that’s a blackletter A.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
As I asked you
were the home jersey made by Rawlings? If so, I have it in front of me now. I bought it at the fan appreciation day back in 88-90’ timeframe.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
BTW
Whats the story behind the blackletter A?
My 09’ authentic (Majestic) Black doesn’t have it either….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
The blackletter A has been the symbol of the Athletics since the 1860s.
Only one uniform, an early-60s road uni, has failed to feature the blackletter A in all that time.
I’d like to see an image of these jerseys that don’t feature the A.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The full uniforms did, when you count the hats.
If just looking at jerseys, there were quite a few years in which the blackletter A did not appear.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
So..
why the Blackletter A again? Here’s the pic of my late 80ish jersey.

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
by ST on Oct 26, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a modified blackletter A.
It has the same modification that Connie Mack’s Philadelphia Athletics had, for whatever reason. Although the original 1860s incarnation of the logo was the full blackletter A, Mack modified it slightly but noticeably. It didn’t change back to the original blackletter A until the A’s second year in Oakland.
I can’t imagine why Rawlings would have been selling that jersey at any point in time. Are you sure it isn’t a bootleg?
Also, to be nitpicky, I bet that elephant patch has the full-on blackletter A.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a period of time where the jerseys were that way, yes
I had one from that era as well that was an official Rawlings and it didn’t have the little part in the left middle of the A that we’re accustomed to.
Compare:

To:

Last of the Ninth - Photography
I don't see the
black “A” in Braden’s jersey either. The only noticeable difference is that the A is in a slanted calligraphy font?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
Maybe I'm missing what you're saying about the blackletter A, then
Because at least looking up blackletter fonts their capital A seems to look different in some cases and in others it appears to be more Old English (though it looks like sometimes they’re interchanged?).
The one Rickey’s wearing is modified without the little curl underneath the top of the A, but Braden’s clearly has it.
I came across this, identified as Old English:

Last of the Ninth - Photography
Actually I guess it was StJoseph calling it blackletter
Which may be technically accurate but it’s more Old English to me, specifically, from what I’ve seen.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
"Blackletter" is a type category,
like “italic” or “script” is a category. Like other categories, the exact definition of what is included and what is not is somewhat blurry at the edges, but the general style is pretty clear. Here is a page showing some typefaces that Adobe classifies as “blackletter”. (Ignore the one from the “variety pack”. The variety pack contains blackletter faces, but the one displayed there is not.) The key characteristic is the calligraphy-like contrasting thin and thick strokes. The term does not imply that the letters must be colored black.
“Old English” is an even less precise term. It is sometimes used more or less synonymously with blackletter as a category, and sometimes used to refer to one specific blackletter typestyle, the one that Flashfire displayed above. (The term is further confusing because it can also refer to a language, so if you say “the Venerable Bede wrote in Old English” it’s not clear if you mean his calligraphy or his language.)
The word “Athletics” on the jersey isn’t blackletter at all. The initial “A” is also not really blackletter, but it does have some serifs that are characteristic of blackletter generally and the Old English face specifically, ie, the foot on the bottom left and the two curved serifs at the top left. These were clearly copied from Old English and grafted onto the basic cursive of the jersey text. The same initial A is also used in the cap logo.
It’s clear to me that this is what St Joseph and others mean when they say “the blackletter A”, even though strictly speaking it’s not truly blackletter. I assume that “modified blackletter” refers to the version where there’s only one serif at the top and the second one is removed.
(Please forgive the type pedagogy, but it seemed like it might be useful here.)
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
by iglew on Oct 27, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you iglew
i was totally confused by this conversation
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Thanks
for the clarification….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
by ST on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh, it's close enough to blackletter for me.
And yeah, the “modification” was my way of covering for the fact that I was blanking on trying to remember the word “serif.”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 27, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It is close enough.
I knew what you meant. But I could see that people were confused by the term.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Wow, that's totally crazy.
I did not even realize that.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 27, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't realize it until a few years ago when I bought all three (at the time) A's jerseys - white, gray and green
And I compared them to the old jersey. It looks like they changed it around 94/95
Last of the Ninth - Photography
That wordmark is very unattractive to me now. I had no idea.
I much prefer the new one.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It's authentic..
just as my Majestic 2009 jersey (do you own any jersey?). And no, the elephant patch doesn’t have a black A either, it’s actually yellow. “Modified” or not, there is no black “A” in the wordmark.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
"Blackletter" is a typography term.
It doesn’t mean that the “A” is colored black.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Ah okay..
now I see what you are saying. If you noted that the original caligraphic A was present, then I would agree, but you kept on noting about the “black” color, so i was confused. My 2009 jersey does have have the “A” you note.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
I kinda like that.
In the minority again, I see. LOL!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
Yuck

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 26, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Just made yourself a whole new legion of fans, shoes.
Congrats!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Heh.
And I posted my gut response before even reading the whole debate above about your fashion sense. I’m not trying to steal your followers, I promise.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Steal away.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
But... there's so much responsibility involved in being a leader...
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to sit in the corner with my gray and yellow hat.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
WE WILL!
I love that hat. I’m going to buy it and wear it to every AN function.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Hmmph.
Well, I suppose there are worse things. Like the black alts.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine that hat on the black alts.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Is it wrong that I'm starting to picture that hat with the road grays
and I’m not totally put off by it? I’m leaning towards yes, but… still…
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Hats should always match, if not complement their uniforms. (like Skittle unis)
There’s no reason to imagine those hats with the black alts.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Oh, I know :)
I was just going for the complete abomination image. Maybe add pink socks to the mix.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
By the way, it's awesome that you actually did this post.
I’m hoping it gets linked on Uni Watch at some point.
by whiteshoes40 on Oct 26, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, here’s my hypothesis.
These numbers are obviously telling us something, but what? One possibility is that the black uniforms make the A’s players play better, but we have to dismiss that because … well, come on, that’s just ridiculous. But there must be some explanation for the correlation.
I think the answer is mojo. We don’t understand very well how mojo works. We know that some players have it, but we don’t know where they get it or how it works. My theory is that mojo has to obey laws of conservation just like any other universal property. You can’t just draw more and more mojo endlessly. If you concentrate a lot of mojo in one player there must be some anti-mojo effect elsewhere to counter it.
I think that’s what the black uniforms are about. Take a look at the pitchers who choose black. Those are all pitchers with mojo, and the ones with the most mojo wear black the most. I think they wear black because they have to to balance out their mojo.
To illustrate, consider Gio Gonzalez. Gio is smoking hot. He’s dreamy and he has that cool ojos locos commercial. If he were a crappy pitcher, he could get away with that, but now this year he’s suddenly become awesome. How can he do that? How can he balance that much mojo? He doesn’t have nipple rings or ugly facial hair, and he doesn’t pose with dollar-bill-loving floozies or write inane Twitter messages. So he has to wear black.
Whether it’s a conscious decision or not, Gio knows that in order to pitch that well he has to balance it by wearing black. And the better he pitches, the more black he has to wear. With those dreamy eyes, if he were to continue pitching as well as he did and not wear an ugly black uniform, he would spontaneously combust. And similar logic for the other pitchers who wear black.
So in a sense, the uniform color really is connected to performance, but it’s not simple causation. It’s just like rain and umbrellas. It’s far more likely to rain when people are carrying umbrellas, but the umbrellas don’t actually cause the rain. The people instinctively sense that the rain is coming, so they (sometimes) remember to bring an umbrella just in case. Likewise, Gio has a sense of when his mojo is on, so he chooses a black uniform to protect himself against it.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I've always wondered if all uniforms offer the same amount of comfort.
Throwbacks really don’t look conducive to moving well; I wonder if they have any impact on performance.
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"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
This will henceforth be known as the Mojo Hypothesis. I think you may be onto something here. And THIS is what we all must remember...
We know that some players have it, but we don’t know where they get it or how it works. My theory is that mojo has to obey laws of conservation just like any other universal property. You can’t just draw more and more mojo endlessly. If you concentrate a lot of mojo in one player there must be some anti-mojo effect elsewhere to counter it.
AND whatever we can do to discover how to harness it’s power can only help our team exert it’s mojoness throughout the season. That should be our mission. Because how cool would it be to have MOJO in our mission statement???
CT ..."he’s not just an asshat with a mic" - cuppingmaster
Mark Ellis contributed 5.7 MAR this year.
That’s Mojo Above Replacement.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
so if A;s go to WS next year does that mean the city of oakland will light up the buildings in green and gold?
sf has everything illuminated in orange for you know who, very halloween
Maybe they'll tarp over the buildings...
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Oct 26, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There's an idea.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
by that time, they may not have the money to light the buildings at night at all
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!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
only day baseball in 2011 and the A's go 81-0 at home
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
woot
make it happen!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
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by ST on Oct 26, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
10-71 on the road...I'll take 90 wins any way I can get them!
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun stuff, Dan
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
Speaking of jerseys
Who’s excited about the potential of a long term FA add?
Just think, if we net Crawford on a 5 year deal, that’s 5 years of guaranteed star A’s player rooting interest. We haven’t had it this good since Chavez.
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
This tweet
CSNAuthentic The Word on the Street: Cliff Lee at Home in Game 1? Piece of Cake- http://bit.ly/bCF5oH #WorldSeries #Giants #TexRangers
Is just crying out for a cake gif.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
i don't understand?
cliff lee is pitching on the road, no? Is this a piece of cake to the giants?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
at THEIR home
and, the “article” sucks, but the tweet was funny.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I guess that's the idea behind that post
The author clearly fails at history, however. Referring to Sandy Koufax:
I asked one Giants fan how that can be possible, to be just one game above .500 in eight careerplayoffWorld Series games with an ERA below one. He tilted his head and responded with a question:
“Because the Dodgers suck?”
Obviously, since Koufax pitched from ’55 to ’66, he never pitched in the playoffs.
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
per your request

Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
by doctorK on Oct 26, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're the best!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Well he didn't get to eat any cake, that's for sure.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
No but he did get to eat a donut
You can see him reaching for it at the very end when the video cuts out. It’s in his back pocket.
This tweet
Is better than Pam’s from above
@oakclubhouse
Melissa Lockard
Not sure why Bengie Molina is “lucky” to get a ring either way. If SF wins, will he really want that ring? I wouldn’t. (I’d keep the $ tho)
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
I disagree.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
frankly, if I was a member of any worlds championship team
and they thought I WANTED one of those hideous rings, they would be mistaken.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Wait on which part?
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 3:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That your tweet was better than the one I posted.
CAKE!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
My anti-giants dig is better than yours
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 3:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
dude. cake.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Cup
She’s making a good point. Never diss the cake.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I guess the cake works for Bengie too
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 3:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cake works for everyone, cuppy.
Cake is good.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'm pretty sure cuppy has never had cake.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Now you have me wanting cake
A place just opened across from work. “Nothing Bundt Cakes” — perhaps I shall pay it a visit tomorrow
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean, it bundts! it bundts!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
No pie works for everyone. Cake works few.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Oct 26, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I try not to criticize for punctuation, but
that post is completely incomprehensible. Sometimes you really do need those commas and periods for actual meaning.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
its also missing words but it sounds like you really aren't being that picky
No, pie works for everyone. Cake works for a few.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Oct 27, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
it does if it's cheesecake.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
I agreed more with your original version than this new one.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Are you reading the comma-less "no pie"
as in “all work and no pie makes Jack a dull boy”, ie, everyone is satisfied by the absence of pie; or as in “no pie is an island”, ie, there is no such thing as one pie that everyone would be satisfied by?
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
The former
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
The key was whether there
was a comma between “no” and “pie”. The rest I could figure out.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
it was suppose to be a choose your own adventure sentence.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Oct 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Thanks Dan.
Great analysis, and easy to understand.
BTW, would you agree the Raiders are much better when they don’t wear pink shoes?
I'm here to talk about the past.
I'm pretty sure all men are better off without the pink shoes
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're going to have to get me a better honeymoon gift than that
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Even the awesomest shoes would not be
the best honeymoon gift. (Unless you’re doing in wrong.)
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Yeah no
I would need some sort of a gadget.
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Oct 26, 2010 5:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoa, the Raiders wear pink shoes??
I have a pair of raspberry-colored pseudo-Converse. No true pink, though.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I know I'm probably in the minority but.....
I love the black alt. jerseys. I have a black alt. jersey and a green alt. jersey. I know black isn’t part of the A’s official colors, but I think they look great in them.
everyone is welcome here, even those who like the black jerseys.
(picks up book that was thrown)
alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho. --- theme for October = thinking next year will be ActA'sber.
Do you like the old black alts better than the new ones?
That seems to buy a fella a little breathing room.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 26, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Oyez.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 27, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
As a matter of fact....
I do prefer the black alts. from 2000. I thought the green lettering on white background on a black jersey looked really cool. The newer black alts. really took a while for me to get used to.
by BigDaddyChacon on Oct 30, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the black alts. I own one.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 26, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I plan on snatching one up on the cheap when they're discontinued.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
there's one on ebay...
now, very cheap…slightly used though. :(
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
by ST on Oct 28, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait to buy the new gold alternate, no matter what it looks like!
My current jersey collection (all replicas except one, authentics are too rich for my blood):
Barry Zito Home Jersey (a birthday present)
Bobby Crosby Home Jersey (another birthday present)
Ben Grieve Gold mesh number (it is awesome!)
2001 Black Alternate blank on the back
this years Black Alternate, blank on the back
Green Alternate, blank on the back
1954 Oakland Oaks (number 1, Billy Martin, though no name)
Rickey Henderson Gold Throwback (birthday present, authentic collection)
A sweet mesh batting practice jersey my brother got for me when he worked for MLB Europe and drove around teaching limeys to play baseball while playing for the Brighton Buccaneers on weekends.
I had a road gray but it got disappeared somehow…
On the wishlist:
Green, Gold or Gray 1986ish with the block “Oakland” on the front. Truly ugly jersey, but well worth the ugliness.
Another roadie
Once you go black....
…um….nevermind.

i need to get the green alt jersey myself.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
"....there is a little Cust in all of us. " - Athletics fan and runner
yes gold!
i personally dont have a problem with the current black alts. but i liked the early 2000’s blacks with the green script.
but i not gonna lie i think gold tops would be frickin sweet.its new with a hint of the A’s history.
How do you spell CUST?.....with a K.
I like the black alternates
but I think they were used too often. I really like the green alternates but I really really like the idea of a once a week throwback gold night with a jersey similar to the gold one used on a turn back the clock night this season.
I don’t own one of the current black jerseys but I do have the one from 2000.
I like the idea of the current black hat being worn with the green jersey and then the old black hate (from 2000) being worn with the road gray. It really makes the green in the “oakland” script pop out.
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964
by Athletics fan and runner on Oct 27, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions

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