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Where Will They Land? Free Agent Predictions


I'll be the first to acknowledge that the odds of the A's signing Carl Crawford are very slim.  But I'm going to lay out the set of circumstances that gives the A's a slightly better opportunity.  What follows below is a "Major Free Agent Predictions Thread" - after you've read mine, please post your own predictions in the comments. 

I've organized these by team.  The player and signing team is listed in bold, with the analysis for each in italics underneath.

Cliff Lee - Yankees

I think the Yankees will build their off-season around this signing.  He is rumored to want "CC Sabathia Money," and while the $23M per year is reasonable, the $161M total value probably isn't.  It's hard to imagine a 31-year-old pitcher getting a seven-year deal like Sabathia did at age 27.  Sick of being traded, Lee is going to want no-trade protection, and the Yankees are more comfortable giving that out than small-market teams are.  Five years, $115M, with a vesting option for a sixth year that could bring the total value to $138M would get it done. No other team would be willing to take that risk, and the Yankees can afford to.  Lee's bargaining position is incredibly strong this off-season. Not only is he the lone ace on the market, but the extensions of Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Roy Halladay, and Josh Johnson have left the "Ace FA Starter" cupboard bare for the next two years.

Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte - Yankees

They wouldn't sign anywhere else, and they have too much left in the tank to retire.  But collectively, they'll cost enough that retaining them and adding Lee amounts to the extent of the Yankees' off-season splurges this winter.

Adrian Beltre - Angels

His family lives in LA, and he recently said that his family sacrificed for him on his last free agent choice (Boston), but that he would make the decision for his family this time.  The Angels received terrible 3b performance this season, and the drop-off from Beltre to the second-tier in the free agent and trade markets at the third base position is very steep.  This match just makes too much sense.  Four years, $56-60M.  At that price, the Angels are (hopefully) forced to stand pat in the outfield and DH, with Torii/Burgos/Abreu/Rivera/Napoli. 

Jayson Werth, Carlos Pena, David Ortiz (option exercised) - Red Sox

This is my Red Sox prediction that no one is making right now.  If their plan truly is the one that Peter Gammons and Nick Cafardo and every other Bostonian has been shouting from the rooftops - to go "full bore" after Carl Crawford - then why would they make that so transparent in the media?  What would they gain from that?  I don't buy the Gammons bluster one bit on this one.  I think it's more likely that whatever is being leaked to media at this point in the free agent game is in fact just a smokescreen. Crawford doesn't make much sense for the Red Sox anyway - they have three left-field options internally with Cameron, Ellsbury, and Kalish.

Now to sell you on these Red Sox predictions:  The Sawx love them some draft picks. I think they'll let Beltre and V-Mart walk to collect the four high draft picks they'll garner as compensation.  This more than offsets the first-rounder they'll lose for signing Werth, who seems to be a perfect fit for Fenway:  right-handed power, awkward facial hair, full of grit. I think that Werth will be more important to the Red Sox than Crawford because ultimately the team needs a long-term replacement for soon-to-be-35-year-old J.D. Drew, who enters the final season of his deal in 2011 coming off a down year.  There are no elite outfielders on next year's FA class and the Red Sox lack a RFer internally, so signing Werth now and putting him in left for a year makes the most sense to me.  Convers

If the Red Sox can persuade Carlos Pena to take a one year, "rebuild your value" deal similar to the one they gave Beltre, I think they'll do a handstand.  This pushes Youkilis back to third, where he might remain for a while, because...these off-season moves set up their plan for 2011-2012 off-season - to sign either Adrian Gonzalez or Albert Pujols to a huge deal. This would push them into luxury-tax territory, but accumulating that kind of talent over the next two years would also help ensure that they regained a stranglehold on an annual playoff berth (along with the Yankees) for the next several years.

At catcher I think they'll tolerate a second-tier option like John Buck, Gerald Laird, or a trade candidate in hopes that Saltalamacchia can develop into a starter. 

If each of those players sign in exactly that location:

To me, that's the scenario that gives the A's a sliver of hope in signing Crawford.  Because those signings would mean that the Yankees, Angels, and Red Sox - three very desirable teams to play for - had all spent their money elsewhere. If the cards fall differently, I gave the A's zero chance whatsoever.  For example, here's an alternate universe prediction, and its resulting chain of events:

The Rangers re-sign Cliff Lee.  Andy Pettitte retires.  The Yankees have $33M+ to burn but a crucial SP hole. They trade Brett Gardner, Jesus Montero and Joba Chamberlain to the Royals for Zack Greinke, who has two affordable years left on his deal.  Trading Gardner creates a left-field void filled by...signing Crawford. 

So, that's it for me - I'll end optimistically by stating that the A's will indeed sign Crawford to a 7-8 year deal, using almost every penny of their off-season money. 

But how about you?  Where will those elite players mentioned above land?  I'll also mention some second-tier guys in the comments below.

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You know, this is a very realistic scenario

If I were to choose a different scenario, I’d have Beltre re-signing with Boston and Crawford going to LAA. Pena then goes to Texas. If Boston can still fit Werth in the buget that’s where he goes. If not, Werth’s the target the A’s could go after.

But you know what? You’ve convinced me. I think your predictions seem like the most likely scenario.

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by vignette17 on Oct 13, 2010 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I think if Beane focuses on any 1 major FA it's gotta be Beltre

The Slegna are gonna try and make a hard push at Crawford.
The hope should be that we could try and make a competitive offer for Beltre while Boston, Anaheim, NY and whoever else fights for Werth, Crawford and Lee and hope to hammer something out before LAA come in there and get a chance at Beltre.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 13, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But they’re gonna push hard for Crawford early, so I’m not too sure they’ll be able to afford both.

Also, while it may be nothing, they sent Wood to the AFL, so they may not be done with him just yet…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they will indeed land both Crawford & Beltre.

Their GM has said he is going all out this offseason, landing those 2 and maybe even Konerko to DH would fit that promise.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's really no way they can afford that

There payroll obligations next year are a little above $90M. Then they’ve got Arb raises to Napoli, Kendrick, Morales, Weaver (and he’s going to cost), and Callaspo. Even if you took Napoli out of the equation that’s still putting payroll at around what it was last year.
So, let’s say that brings them up to $115M.
Now, you’re talking about adding Beltre @, let’s say $12M a year, Crawford at $16M and Konerko at $10M.
You just added $38M of payroll, which adds up to around a $30M bump in payroll from last year AND you still have to add a closer.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The long term effects of that payroll increase could be pretty devasting to them financially.

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

As much as Angels fans are drooling right now over the thought of signing multiple free agents, they feasibly cannot sign more than 1 Tier 1 FA (aka guys over $10M/year for 3+ years)…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moreno admitted that they're already losing money this season.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Yeah, because once they started losing games people stopped showing up…

So, yeah, as much as they would like to say they’re going all in this offseason, it ain’t happening without losing some potentially valuable pieces as well.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is what i said last year when they acquired Kazmir

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your fanpost on Kazmir was very prophetic

Texas and the slegna really have so much more financial resources than us right now. It is also very sad that many view their farm systems as much better and robust than ours……

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

not many. all.

Mike Trout alone is worth more than our top three prospects

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a dark forest in the deepest corner of the Earth

Chris Carter heard this and will now BURNINATE MIKE TROUT!

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Id trade three Chris Carters for one Mike Trout

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trout looks to be the real deal

Hopefully they rush him, and we will see him scuffle initially (or at least start his service clock early).

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Angles don't really rush players

theyre uber cautious usually

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, that's being hyperbolic.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

your right. Id only trade two.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny because you actually could

get a second Chris Carter.

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by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

the other one sucks

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 15, 2010 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

While I do think he has a crazy high ceiling that he could very well reach

I’m gonna wait and see how he does in AA and AAA before I start lauding him the 2nd coming of Mickey Mantle…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

um he tore up AA in an allbeit limited sample

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has yet to play a game in AA.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugg why did they take minorleague splits down so I can prevent me from making an ass out of myself

Rancho is in the cal league not tx league… my bad

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was surprised to learn that their TV ratings

were almost as low this season as the A’s were.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

they were lower.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

I don’t really get it. Unless people are mad that Hudler isn’t on anymore…lol

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

They seriously are

I’m not kidding.
Angels fans down here were outraged when Hudler left, they think he’s brilliant.
There are petitions to bring him back on the air, and there are 1000’s who’ve signed them.
Just makes me realize how terrible of fans they are…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

By left

I meant fired because he was terrible and didn’t have any clue what he was talking about

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh jesus

Hudler is absolutely the worst TV guy I’ve ever heard. But 1.2 can’t just be because of him. Gubicza really isn’t that bad, either.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Hawk" Harrelson is the worst, IMO.

But, yeah, Hudler was bad.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 15, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hudler wasn't bad, he was terrible

-"They’re much better pitching-heavy this year. The pitching has been dominant the whole year. In postseason, pitching and defense go hand-in-hand, and it’s already been evident."

-"Zito pitched well though he has a chance not to win this game."

-“You better pick up your pencils ’cuz these Angels are going to be laying down the lead today!”

And his absolute worst line ever:
-“You gotta hack or they’ll send you back!”

Ugh.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Hawk OK.

I don’t understand why people hate him so much. Then again, I don’t understand why everyone hates Joe Morgan, either.

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't hate the combination of conceit and idiocy?

Weird.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly? In a TV guy, no I don't.

Because I’m not looking for intelligence from a TV guy. On radio I expect smart play-calling because I can’t see the game. If I’m watching on TV, then I can see for myself what is happening, and what I want is a pleasant agreeable companion with a soothing voice.

(Also, I don’t get conceit from Hawk. I don’t mind conceit anyway, but I don’t think he’s conceited.)

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by iglew on Oct 17, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is even more bizarre

Morgan and Harrelson are neither pleasant, nor agreeable, and especially not “soothing.” This is like the Holy Roman Empire of criteria.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Morgan

Not sure why he’s unpleasant. I like him better than Jon Miller. I’d also take his color analysis over a lot of the dipstick ex-managers they got doing tbs and fox. Somebody told me he was ragging on the A’s once for being a small-market team, but I always thought he has relatively insightful things to say.

And while were on the subject: Joe Buck’s voice rubs me wrong. Maybe it’s because I only hear it when it seems the Yankees are in the playoffs and winning? I just have a natural sinking feeling in my chest when that happens…

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by Leap Year on Oct 17, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's totally obsessed with himself,

does no research, and still thinks he’s God’s gift to baseball analysis. Plus he’s a total prick.

The dipstick ex-managers are pretty bad, but at least they’ve generally been fired enough times for being idiots to not think everything they say is divine revelation.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

It’s no secret around ESPN that others really do not like him, seeing as he literally doesn’t ever do his homework.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 17, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is heresy Jon Miller is a great baseball announcer

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jon Miller, as well.

I dislike Joe Morgan, though not as deeply as some do. Maybe Miller evens him out.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I equally dislike Joe Buck:

But my uncle would rave about how good his father was as an announcer.

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like listening to Morgan if I pretend hes saying the exact opposite of what hes saying

I think his voice and demeanor are a good fit with the broadcast booth as a color commentator though.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

His voice is "tune-outable"

Whereas as Tim McCaaaaaa’va’s isn’t.

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by DMOAS on Oct 17, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate fox broadcasts

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I wish they weren’t willing to pay the most money.

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by DMOAS on Oct 18, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I. Can. Not. Stand. Mc. Carver.

McCarver & Harrelson probably tie in my book for overall worst.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

McCarver is easily the worst person to listen to

What sucks is that he ends up doing all the high profile play off games and he makes them extremely difficult to watch. I can tune out Joe Buck, but his voice is so grating on my ears that I can’t help but hear him.

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by DMOAS on Oct 19, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, de gustibus and all that.

I don’t love Hawk all the time, but I do find him pleasant on the whole. I like the sound and cadence of his voice very much. Some of his catchphrases are corny, sure, but most of the time I do find him friendly and agreeable as well.

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by iglew on Oct 18, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh!

I don’t mind Hawk’s “homerism”. In fact, I even expect homerism, at least a little. But, Hawk takes it way too far.

“He gone” is lame. The whole “good guys/bad guys” thing is unprofessional. Calling the Twins ’The Twinkies" is just childish. Just to mention a few.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do dislike the "good guys / bad guys" thing.

I dislike it even more when someone does it here about the A’s.

I never knew he called the Twins the Twinkies, since I only watch when the White Sox are playing the A’s. I agree that is lame.

“He gone” doesn’t bother me. It’s just his shtick. It’s less stupid than the “salami” thing they do in Seattle.

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by iglew on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just like Korach calling the White Sox the Pale Hose.

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by DMOAS on Oct 19, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's kind of dumb, too.

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by iglew on Oct 19, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the "Pale Hose" thing is more steeped in tradition...

…but I always thought it sounded corny.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 19, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

but they are the pale hose

thats what they use to be called. I like it.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 19, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure they've never been officially named that

They were originally the “White Stockings”

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by DMOAS on Oct 19, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoever coined the term "Pale Hose"...

…was trying way too hard to be cool.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 19, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about them

Rubicund Breeches?

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by iglew on Oct 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

milkmaid strumpets?

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by iglew on Oct 20, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I live in the midwest...

…and watch a lot of White Sox games. They’re lucky my addiction to AL baseball is as strong as it is.

To be fair, I do enjoy when Hawk tells stories from his playing days. He’s a good storyteller. It’s not enough to make up for his overuse of shtick, though.

I’ve never heard the salami thing.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 19, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

How the hell was Wood eligible for the AFL?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

they made an exception for him supposedly

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

Taylor is already tearin’ it up! This is great to see

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

dude its two games

Im going to scout the AFL in about three weeks

youll get some first hand scouting

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait, are you a scout now?

is the team you work for cool with you posting here?

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

no no no.

Im just a lay person. I will still provide thoughts on players but I am in no way trained to do so.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy "amateur" scouting reports more sometimes

It’s a little more practical and much less “Well, this is what we see but it’s not really true so here’s what’s really going to happen.”

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

WooHoo!

stoked

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just hope he looks better than last ST

Something must have carried over from it…
Maybe even that half month or so between the Sacto season’s end and start of AFL is enough to right the ship…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice to see you're finally leaving the basement and WATCHING TEH GAMEZ!!!111!!

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT WHERE DOES ALFREDO AMEZAGA LAND???

Everyone always overlooks Alfredo Amezaga.

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by Nico on Oct 13, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

And to think that the Slegna drafted him right before the Cards scored Pujols...

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by the_rozeboom on Oct 13, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Welcome to Alfredo Amezagaland!"

“You’ll love all our attractions, including the one we insist that you ride: The Bench!”

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by Nick on Oct 14, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hello Magglio Ordonez...

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Oct 13, 2010 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, I think Detroit will be in the mix for Crawford or Werth.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Oct 13, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

please please please this

Signing him and finding a better option at either 2nd or 3rd would make this offseason wildly successful…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 13, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post NSJ

I think most of what you predicted could be spot on. I honestly hope that Beane is creative enough to both sign Crawford and trade a starter++ ( I’ll use Mazzaro in this case and everyone can fill in the blanks ) for an additional bat.
Dan Uggla would be nice as a DH in my scenario. Werth is a nice second option in this case. Pena’ seems like he would be a better fit in Texas or Boston, as you alluded to, so I don’t see him coming here, especially if the A’s make a couple moves that bring two more legit bats to Oakland and they keep Cust around as a backup DH and backup outfielder. Who knows?

It will be interesting none the less my good man. Thanks for sharing as always! M-Rod

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by mrod on Oct 13, 2010 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I suspect Mazzaro is as good as gone

Seems every writer, from Sluss to RotoWorld, mentions him as a #5 SP contender in the context of “if he’s here next year” or “if he’s not traded…” as if the writing is on the wall.

Now how much he’ll be worth on the trade market is another matter — but I’m betting he’s packaged in whatever is the A’s most significant deal of the off-season, and either Outman or a free agent replaces him in the A’s rotation.

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by Nico on Oct 13, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mazzaro for Prince Fielder

Fielder at DH, Barton at 1b, Cust as (gulp) full-time LF.

Better offense, much worse defense.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 13, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gonna take way more than Mazzy Star to land Fielder boss...

So, what’s your trade scenario look like?

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by mrod on Oct 13, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then the A's should hang up the phone, instantly.

I agree with you, but I don’t think the A’s should have any part of any deal that costs more.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they'd rather not have a replacement-level hitter at DH

Cust is currently one the team’s top two returning hitters, whereas Carter isn’t even in the top 6 at his current level of development.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fielder just isnt a fit for Oakland

In so many ways….he is a square peg that will never fit the round hole of our roster.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

I love Prince but unless Barton gets hurt and we need a stopgap DH with Cust in LF and Carter at 1B, this isnt happening. He just doesnt fit here. Werth & Crawford fit here.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Prince

Indeed…he is fun player to watch, and I think it would be a blast having him on the team. Not the best fit, but if we could make it work somehow I would definitely be interested.

by Billy Frijoles on Oct 14, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better fit for the diamondbacks

they still wear purple right?

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...

…the word on the street is that Prince is actually more into basketball…

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Computer Blue!

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by cityplANner on Oct 14, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game. Blouses.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

And then he cooked us blueberry pancakes...

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, we already have too many people in the 1B/DH/OF situation.

Carter/Cust/Barton/possibly Taylor means 1B, a 3rd OF, and DH are, while not necessarily “covered,” certainly are adequate enough unless we can land not just one Crawford for the outfield, but a second one as well. That’s the point at which we probably send Carter back to AAA to work on hitting, or get rid of Cust. But even in that situation, Prince isn’t the answer. We have a 1B, we have a DH, and we have an OF who can do both of those things to back them up.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Carter will be sent back to AAA

Taylor might make the team out of ST if he has a good one

I doubt Cust will be re-signed unless it’s for cheap

Carter-Crisp-Taylor with a FA as the DH is the way I see it

I don’t know what to do with Sweeney/Jackson though

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does Billy Beane hate hitters with good OBP that don't cost anything and would probably have hit about 20 HRs in a full 2010 season?

I don’t understand why Cust wouldn’t be on the team next year.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he still arbitration eligible? It’s all about money with Cust, I think

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

For two more years.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

i guess that increases the chances of him coming back

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Taylor would need a 2009 Desme AFL season

and a 2008 Linden Spring Training to whiff the 25 man next year. I can’t write off his AAA season last year too easily with our current glut anyway.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I totally forgot about Linden's ST in 2008

Man, that was epic.
I really thought he was gonna be something special, even at his age…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

so did he

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

And I think that, while some of us do overvalue Mazzaro, there has got to be good value out of a still young and very talented SP who’s cost controlled for 5 more years.

Not saying he’ll command something like Fielder, but you have to think some GM’s out there still must really like him for what he and what he could be.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 13, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have noticed that also

I would love him as part of a deal to get Kemp over to our outfield…..

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw something on Twitter a few days about Kemp and the Twins

I was like noooooooooooooooooo

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont care who it is..

I just want a quality hitter.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Carl Pavano or Jorge De La Rosa

If the A’s were to sign a Type A free agent pitcher, which of those two would you prefer? Which guy will get more money? How much do you think they’ll get?

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 13, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

De La Rosa for sure

But hopefully we have Outman on the mend for 2011 and don’t forget about Brandon Webb either as an option. Pavano doesn’t really do much for me and I think he will end up staying in Minnesota anyway. DLR for 3 years at 15 million max.

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by mrod on Oct 13, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd rather sign duchscherer than webb

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Who knows if Webb will pitch.
Duke will give you 5 starts…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

A’s should re-sign Duke and pay him for every start he makes

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or

Sign Duke for 1M and put him in the bullpen… He has got to know that playing baseball is far better than being a Starting Pitcher.

by Colorado Fan on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peavano isn't worth a multi year deal, IMO

Guy has had a history of dogging it when he’s got some security.
de la Rosa, OTOH, could be damn good in Oakland.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 13, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably De La Rosa. He started throwing his change up a lot more this season and generating lots of ground balls.

I think he’ll get the walks down with a good defense behind him.

What’s the word on Kuroda? He’d be better than both.

by rebus on Oct 14, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda is awesome

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Kuroda would be an awesome signing. I think the A’s could pair that with a number of other moves to really improve the team.

by jali on Oct 14, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I have to make a choice?

I really don’t want to.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wanna see more about Hiroyuki Nakajima

He could be an interesting option up the middle…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't really seem like a Beane signing though..

He’s unproven in the MLB, and his posting fee is estimated at $5 million.

by ErikFanClubPres on Oct 14, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane signs unproven international talent

The A’s broke a record with their signing of Ynoa. Oh, of course, any bidding on Aroldis Chapman that happened (I don’t entirely remember the storyline behind that).

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chapman signed with The club offering the most $$

Which was Cincy ($30 million). The A’s offered $26 million – second most.

by OaklandSi on Oct 14, 2010 6:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aah.

There’s a pretty decent likelihood he ends up in the pen (see: his minor league BB numbers). Of course, he could get sent back down to the minors to work on that, but I’m not sure how likely that is.

Which might’ve been a good thing the A’s didn’t sign him. Or not. I don’t know.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane's way into this international stuff, huh?

Come on, Beane, build us a winner out of international players!

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beat write Joe Steiglich

wrote an interesting article about the shift to the international scouting a while ago. Hopefully it will pay dividends at some point.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ynoa is a prospect though

with in incredibly high ceiling. You can pretty much only expect Nakajima’s numbers to go down in the states.

by ErikFanClubPres on Oct 14, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

but, Nakajima's much, much, much more likely to produce SOMETHING in MLB

than Ynoa is (and this was true even before Ynoa got hurt a bazillion times)

Ynoa is like playing the Powerball lottery, Nakajima’s like investing in the stock market (I’m not an economist, so this may be a bad comparison).

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

no, I think you’re metaphor is pretty apt.

by ErikFanClubPres on Oct 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

as an econ major i approve of this metaphor

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nakajima's more like investing in a checking account, I think.

Maybe a respectable-yield savings account.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point though

Who knows…
Most of the Asian guys coming over have been signed to massive contracts…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

how do you define massive contracts

because if its anything close to how I do, this is not a true statement.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I wrote above probably doesn't make sense

I didn’t mean to suggest that Nakajima would cost a lot more than that.

I was referring to the contracts of Matsuzaka, Matsui, Ichiro, etc…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ichiro's and Mastsui's initial contracts were not that much.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I was totally wrong

Neither were for more than 4 years or $25M and posting fees were irrelevant.
Whoops…
I dunno why I thought those deals were so much more expensive…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

because they have been amazing here and signed big extensions?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Maybe it was because they did carry a lot of hype….

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That too

I really hope that didn’t set a precedent for future pitchers.
Dice-K’s value won’t touch the amount it cost Boston….

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

but for a different reason ;-)

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by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

... I mean, technically the contract has mass...

If it was an oral contract, it would really be a misplaced term…

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would enjoy it if it became trendy to say

“voluminous” where we now say “massive”. In theory, it ought to annoy me the same, but somehow the meta-ness of it all would just make it amusing.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like a Choo-type guy

But plays SS/2B. I’d take a chance.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to find info on him

Sounds like for most of his career he’s been pretty awful with his glove (won a gold glove in 2008, but before that lead the league in errors at SS for 3 straight seasons,) but reasonable power, a high average, and a good eye. Maybe he could be an option at 2B (I don’t think I trust him at SS.) Japanese pop doesn’t translate well (Kaz Matsui was a 30 home run guy in Japan,) and from this fangraphs writeup a good deal of Nakajima’s pop comes from a long stride. I think if we sign Nakajima (this is even assuming Seibu decides to make a deal, they could just keep him) we’re looking at a 2B with a lot of athleticism but who will commit errors, and a 300/350/400 line. Tadahito Iguchi was signed for 2.5 million with a similar skillset, so I think we’d have to expect to pay around 4 million when all is said and done with Seibu’s fee etc. Do we want that?

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd expect a posting fee around $3-5M

And then yeah, probably something like a 3yr/$12M contract.
If he’s willing to play 2nd, I’m all for it. I really do think he’s worth the risk, considering his upside is probably greater than any of the other 2nd base options…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mentioned a Kaz Matsui comparison earlier

If he sucks like Kaz Matsui, then it’s not a lot of money to lose. If he’s going to be that cheap AND he’s good, it would be an absolute steal. win-win, if you ask me.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's only money and not a lot of it

And you’re not giving up someone to get it. At worst, Rosales plays 2nd all year and is probably more than decent.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't that what the A's paid Aaron Miles and Wily taveras

to not play for them in 2010?

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was around 4MM, yeah

but then, they got several years of Rosales for free by eating the salary.

by Blicks on Oct 20, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

rosales is a bench player, no?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Oct 20, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

8 million dollars is a lot of money.

Especially if you’re the A’s and especially if you have Ellis at 5 million, Rosales, Tolleson, Sogard, etc

I don’t see the point in throwing money away when it can, and should, be used elsewhere.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 15, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming he will be a bench player

But if we sign him the idea would be to give him at least one full year starting, unless he’s absolutely terrible.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I should've made it more clear.

4 million is probably fair for his projections, but the long stride makes me nervous—he’d have to change that because he probably won’t be able to hit for power here.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

His numbers aren't impressive at all.

Iwamura and Kazuo both displayed way better power numbers (and overall numbers) than this guy in Japan and both of them struggled to SLG .400 (career SLG numbers in MLB around .375). And supposedly he has defensive issues as well?

I see him hitting .250/.310/.340 with poor defense in MLB, basically an expensive replacement level player. Waste of time.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 15, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, his numbers are pretty similar to Iwamura's

Also, the talent overseas has gotten significantly better over the last 5 years, from what I’ve heard…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the scenario where the Yankees sign Crawford

and the A’s somehow end up with Nick Swisher.

This isn’t really a prediction. It’s more like a wish.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Oct 14, 2010 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I think this could happen if the A's were willing to take on Burnett

Say Mazzaro for Swisher and Burnett, with the Yanks paying half of his $16mill/year salary in 2012 and 2013.

It gives the Yanks enough payroll relief to go after Lee and Crawford, and gives them Mazzaro to replace Burnett at the back of the rotation.

by drink on Oct 14, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yankees and payroll relief in the same sentence

hahahaha…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice. LOL!

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by UncleLeo on Oct 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Talk to a yankee fan

He is beloved by the organization. I don’t think they ever give him up. Even if he becomes a 4th outfielder and 1B replacement for Teixera…..he serves a role and is cheap by NY standards.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do they trade Granderson or Gardner then?

I’d like either of those 2 on the A’s as well.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

SWISH SWISH SWISH

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're not getting rid of Gardner

He’s legit.
Granderson, I dunno…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd take Coco Crisp over Brett Gardner.

These clothes are good enough to drink in, and so be these boots, too.

by Leap Year on Oct 17, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, seriously?

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

And no.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 17, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLZ

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

Since it seems I’ve been soundly shot down by PT and stranahanahan, here, I suppose DFA’s signature is pertinent, and I should have something to back up my claim. Consider Crisp and Gardner’s numbers in 2010:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5299

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29174

Gardner has more stolen bases, but across the board otherwise, his numbers are just about even with Coco’s, if not a little worse. Coco played in half as many games. Sure, there is something to be said about a player’s ability to stay healthy and produce the whole year, but Crisp practically carried the A’s offense when he was hot, and Brett Gardner benefitted from being in a potent Yankee lineup.

Also, Crisp is fun to watch defensively, and he grew up in Richmond, so that gives him Bay Area points.

What’s your rationale for liking Gardner over Crisp?

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by Leap Year on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have you considered service time, age, injury history, money, etc?

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by lenscrafters on Oct 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Gardner’s only 3 years younger. He’s getting paid practically league minimum, whereas Crisp is making about 10 times as much. Gardner isn’t arbitration eligible until 2012, so he’s giving the Yankees more bang for their buck, which, I realize, goes a long way considering the A’s financial situation, especially compared to the Yankees. He’s also shown he can play a full season this year.

But in terms of Crisp vs. Gardner as impact offensive players, and which player is of more valuable as a member of the A’s: hypothetically, if the A’s and Yankees swapped Crisp for Gardner, I think we’d all be more scared of the Yankees lineup, and less enthusiastic about our own. We don’t need any more light-hitting outfielders with speed. And I’d rather take one with a better slugging percentage who is more fun to watch.

There is also no telling whether Gardner can continue contributing at his current level in a different lineup or stadium. He only has one full season under his belt.

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by Leap Year on Oct 18, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the only two problems you have with Gardner

are lineup protection (which doesn’t exist) and his stats being affected by his home park (it’s not, his park adjusted wOBA is exactly the same as his wOBA this season), then I think it’s safe to say your argument isn’t very strong. Especially since you’ve pretty much admitted yourself that Gardner is superior in just about every other way.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 18, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's really the injury history thing that gets me

Service time is relevant to his value as a trade asset, but I interpreted the original comment as an assessment of play skill, not dollar value.

But— Crisp is one of the more injury-prone position players in baseball. Gardner has no significant injury history.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that even a slightly-less-good player who plays 150 games a season is going to be a lot more valuable than even a slightly-better one who only plays 100 games a season.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate your side of the argument...

…This conversation has made me rethink my position on both players’ value.

but the “it doesn’t take a genius” stuff is not necessary.

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by Leap Year on Oct 18, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, that wasn't necessary

Sorry.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of not necessary...

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by nevermoor on Oct 18, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now YOU get to apologize

or get flagged. Up to you.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

ehhh i already flagged it

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You cant count on Crisp to play that many games. Hes played 120 games once in the last five years

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, no injury history except breaking bones in his hand

Once in the minors, and once against the Oakland Athletics. Of course, that means he’ll need digits amputated if he ever signs with Oakland.

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by jeepers on Oct 19, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man...that sucks.

I wish Yankees fans were mean like they used to be in the 80s.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wishful thinking

But I hope you’re right…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

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by UncleLeo on Oct 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post, I'll have a go

C.Lee: NYY Obvious signing is obvious
If the Yanks win it all in 2010, Mo and Pettitte might retire, freeing even more cash

Beltre: LAA – They’ll probably have to over-pay as well

Werth: DET – Need: bat. Have: oodles of money

Crawford: TEX – They have a spare OF spot, may be able to add payroll, and Crawford is from Texas I believe.

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by Daniel777 on Oct 14, 2010 3:43 AM PDT reply actions  

If Crawford goes to Texas, the A's might as well start rebuilding again.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

yay!.... I like rebuilding

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

this was 95% sarcasm

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

What was the other 5%?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That I actually do enjoy rebuilding more than whats currently happening.

Id rather be great or miserable than mediocre.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whereas mediocre teams can win (and have won) the World Series.

You play a weak division, you draw lucky in the LDS, you get hot for the LCS and World Series, and bam.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a team i've heard of whos still playing...

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by supermarc589 on Oct 16, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, hopefully they lose to the Yankees though.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 18, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

see Rays, Tampa Bay

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a mediocre team winning the World Series, see Dodgers, Los Angeles, 1988.

Or Reds, Cincinnati, 1990.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

um they won their divisions before the WC... thats hardly a crappy team

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last Cards team to win the WS?

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, absolutely

What, an 83 win team should win the WS?
No way. Not now, not never.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

great one example out of a million of mediocre teams.

sounds like a legit strategy to me!

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

1 team out of maybe 120 or teams

since the inception of the wild card round. You can’t really compare the previous playoff setup and all we have to do is win the division to buy our play-in. Not great odds any way you look at it, but we are one of few teams that only needs to beat out 3 other teams for a chance to roll the dice. Not great by any stretch of the imagination, but a real chance nonetheless.

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it's rather irrelevant what the other 10 AL teams do

A non-super awesome team in the West can win 90 games and have a legit WS shot (cough) Rangers (cough cough)

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

um the rangers are a good team.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 15, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, good but not great

That’s all you gotta be

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say they're a great team

It’s not like they have good speed, great power, a good ace, an excellent closer, or anything like that.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you rather Texas end up with Lee or Crawford?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lee.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

A good pitcher which they struggle to get, find and keep and need. Vs. A good hitter which in Texas is easy to find, create & keep? I’d rather they get Crawford and not solve their constant issue of not having the pitching to win games.

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitchers bust way more than hitters do

Lee is, older, will cost more, and pitchers have much higher of an injury/DL risk than position guys do.

Give Texas the Lee alld ay.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

They’ve always had the offense and will continue to have it, whether they sign Crawford or not. CJ Wilson, Lewis, and Hunter all performed significantly better than was expected at the beginning of the year. If any of those guys go down or don’t do as well next year, they’re significantly worse. If you add Lee to that, they can remain very competitive if one or maybe even two of those guys go down.

I hope Lee signs with a non-division rival.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

pitchers that have been ridden super hard have a higher propensity to break.[

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I don't think they will keep Lee.

but I would LOVE them to give him 8/160

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Texas doesn't understand that.

They’re operating under the NOLAN RYAN GRITTY ARRGGGHHH PITCH FOREVER ALL DAY 2,000 PITCHES philosophy.

Their pitching staff is going to be dog doo next season.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really is not

They don’t actually overwork pitchers any more than any other team. And theirs are better than the A’s’ are.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you say they don't overwork their pitchers?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you say they do?

Seems like the more pertinent question…

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

A matter of pitch counts

And keeping guys in games longer than they need to in order to win a game.
The fact that Colby Lewis pitched 23 straight starts of 100 pitches or more comes to mind…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Colby Lewis is like 32 years old

and obviously his arm is capable of carrying the load (which they probably knew from observing him in Japan anyway).

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no such thing

as a pitcher that is obviously capable of carrying a load, because pitchers get hurt all the time.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rubbish

Dan Haren and Barry Zito have pitched for years on end without ever missing a start. There are major variations in the stamina of pitchers.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

A pitcher can fall apart at any time due to misuse

Just look at Johan Santana

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boras got Zito that insane contract

partially on selling what PT is saying. If it is a marketable commodity, perhaps there is some truth to it?

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Until they get hurt

There are only better bets than others.

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by jeepers on Oct 15, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Why I noted Johan Santana.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK-- is this news?

Colby Lewis is a better bet than others.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not news.

It’s not what you said, either.

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by jeepers on Oct 16, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 32 year old having a clear career year/breakout season

is completely different than a high upside 22 year old arm with frontline upside.

by Blicks on Oct 15, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Theyre nothing compared to the Reds.

Go check out the pitch counts from all their under 25 pitchers. How the hell does Dusty Baker continually find work? Its disgusting what he does to his pitchers.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He was fine with Travis Wood.
Home Bailey was another story though. 8 of his 19 starts were 110+ pitches.
Cueto had a good run of games with high pitch counts…
Of course, this could turn into one of those “pitch count vs. inning load” arguments.

If you don’t like pitch counts, though, Ozzie Guillen’s probably the worst culprit…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He made Travis Wood throw 112 pitches after 6 innings.

Cueto had 22 starts of 100+ pitches, 7 of those were from 110-124. 2 120+ pitch games.

Bailey: 14 out of 19 starts were 100+. 2 120+. Jeez its like they want him to get hurt.

Baker is the worst manager ever. He wins in spite of his own ineptitude.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're severly underrating their pitchers.

Lee’s just hitting his stride IMO, and should have 4-5 good years in him easy.

For the Texans, I expect CJ Wilson to have some really nice seasons in the next few years, and they’ve got alot of overall talent at the pitcher position.

by SenorGato on Oct 17, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Someone's keeping the reins on Ryan then

the ridiculous pitch count asshatry hasn’t really been going on in Texas.

by Blicks on Oct 20, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m just waiting for Lee and the other Texas pitchers to fall apart.

Watching the end of that game 5 against TB, I just got pissed off watching Lee pitching the 9th. Yeah, he was at 120 pitches which isn’t ridiculous, but what if he had gotten hurt in the 9th? They were up 4 runs, it was idiotic.
I hope they sign him to a devilishly high contract and get nowhere near the production (because, let’s face it, how many 5+ year pitcher deals have actually been worth the money?)

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

True enough about long-term pitcher deals.

Barry Zito couldn’t even be counted on for production in the funny/weird department after like two years of being in SF. Now people pretend Tim Lincecum is “The Freak.”

You don’t know from baseball-pitching freaks, San Francisco. Barry Zito was a nutbar first-class. (I miss him.)

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t disagree with that. But they’re not a team that really needs the help offensively. And before Lee breaks down, he’ll give them what they currently need. The A’s window isn’t that big so it’s likely Lee will still be okay/healthy during our run. I kind of shrug over the idea of the Rangers offensive upgrades, they don’t really help them that much, see Rod, A. & Tex, M.

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last line of your post

makes me think of Aggies.

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by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

they don't really have a spare OF spot

unless Crawford is willing to move to CF. The Rangers don’t want Hamilton in CF long term.

by drink on Oct 14, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Hamilton was actually pretty good in CF this year

Dunno how Crawford would play there considering he hasn’t played much CF at all since he made the bigs…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought he didn't want to move to right or center?

Of course, you give someone enough money and they’ll do just about anything…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's some

Cliff Lee – Yankees. Obvious signing is obvious. Alternate scenario: Rangers, with Yu Darvish and a secondary pitcher going to the Yankees.

Adrian Beltre – I say Boston. If he wanted to sign close to his home, he’s not going to hire the best agent in sports to negotiate with primarily the Angels. The Angels can have him, but they’ll have to bid against the Red Sox. And, I think even with Arte Moreno opening his wallet, the Red Sox will outbid them. Angels fill 3B via trade.

Yu Darvish- Yankees. I predict Pettitte retires. Obviously, that means you sign TWO pitchers, and why not pick up the two biggest fish on the market.

Rafael Soriano – Angels. Someone’s going to pony up big for a closer. The slegnA haven’t had stability in the spot since a certain googly-eyed, point at the sky, asshole left for the Mets. Oh, yeah, on a side note, the A’s give Soriano his first blown save at his new club. Boras knows how to market saves and Soriano’s elite stats, and he’s going to target the Angels since they’re known for throwing piles of money at relief pitching.

Carl Crawford- NOT the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Cubs, Tigers, or Phillies. I think I just knocked out most of the massive-payroll teams. Three of those teams don’t need him. The others will make their big time signings somewhere else, or have multiple holes they need to fail and don’t gain a lot by playing Crawford and replacement level dregs at other positions.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 6:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Beltre will sign for the most guaranteed money and years

He didn’t take the A’s or Phillies multiyear offers (both were 3 yrs @$8 million per year). He opted to increase his potential for a much bigger contract in 2011, through signing a one year deal to play in 2010 in Boston’s bandbox.

by OaklandSi on Oct 14, 2010 6:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

and, I think Boston ends up throwing the most money at him.

And, I took the “family security comment” to be “I want to be in one place for many many years” as opposed to “I want to be in California”

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

and, hey boston, I need more money to stay

but I think the Angles fans (FWIW) will think of the offseason as a failure if they don’t get beltre.

Who would be available through trade at 3rd?

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you really think they post Darvish this year?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He would be, like, totally worth overpaying for. Right?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

if it’s down to paying money for a guy like Fielder or instead posting for Darvish… gotta go with Darvish.

Besides, what a fucking cool name.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

srsly. That's a jersey I'd buy.

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

star trek fan?

It sounds like the name of a Klingon warrior

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worry is that he becomes a reliever though

Which I’ve heard some believe will happen

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say so

I would rather go after Nakajima and trade Pennington for a bat.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Penny has a whole bunch of value in trade

I’ve just spent the last 20 min reading about Nakajima instead of working. I like him.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm reading that as

Pennington plus a pitcher or something else because nobody would trade Pennington for a good hitter alone.

right?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Id definitely trade a good Corner OF for a 3 WAR SS with 5 more years of control.

SSs are super expensive in the market. The problem I see with my own proposal is most of the playoff caliber teams have one of the few good SSs (the non Tigers/Twins AL contenders), or they are have bad systems (Cards Twins Giants).

I think an ideal trade partner would be the Reds, but they might just out bid you for Nakajima. I think that I would try to complete a trade for someone like Frazier + Cozart + Matt Maloney for Penny and Pedro Figueroa.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Throwing one out there

Penington for Brandon Belt?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Oct 14, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

No which way?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry for the short post

that was kind of rude, my apologies. in my defense, i was in a rush.

i’d say the giants say no. belt is one of those guys that came out of relative nowhere (i know he was well-regarded by some, and pitched at texas), so i figure the giants would try to steer a penny conversation away from belt. my guess is they want to see more from him and see what they really have.

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 15, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, I agree

I really like Belt and would love to see someone with his bat come to Oakland.
He really should be a top 15 prospect this offseason, there’s just no way you can ignore his numbers…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd love to see him here too

as a RF though, not a 1B

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 16, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

But how will Figueroa have any trade value right now?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah he blew out his arm

I was more talking about him in the abstract. Worse than FDLS but not hurt like Figueroa.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Fig had TJ surgery, no?

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Confusing him with Leon?

Or am I…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m pretty sure they both did

i hope Leon comes back a beast…i really like the kid

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

this they both did.

Leon is quite over rated on AN I think

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

the potential is there

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to say, he's been so oddly handled

More common to see that sort of “he might be pretty good but we really have no idea because he’s bounced around so much” thing with soccer players. Benny Feilhaber comes to mind.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think when he gets bounced around you gotta look at the scouting reports

which aren’t that glowing.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, sure

Post-injury, I’m not sure he’s still top 20, even in the “After The Holocaust”-esque wreckage of the Oakland farm system.

I haven’t really looked into it though.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

even before the TJS

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went to school with Feilhaber's GF...

Kind of funny to see a bunch of pics of him pop up on Facebook…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

but then you've got to replace Pennington?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well you can do that with either Nakajima or Cozart.

and Frazier can solve your OF or 3b problem if you get the Cards or another loser of the Beltre sweeps to bite on Kouz

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

In that context, why not look into Kouz + Mazzarro to LA for Kemp?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Swap Mazzaro for Cahill and you might not get laughed off the phone.

LAD will be looking for a pretty outstanding package for Kemp. This isnt the Dbax just throwing Haren away for nothing…..or maybe it is, shit I dont know.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You realize that you're talking about Colletti, right?

bringing up Cahill in a deal for Kemp would get him hung up on.

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha

Thank you for that…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kemp for Cahill actually is a great deal for both sides

If LAD gets good defenders to um, “compliment” Ethier, Cahill moving to the NL might save his career.

I’m all about selling high on Cahill if it brings us a great OFer.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather keep Cahill actually

Taylor could be the next Kemp for all we know

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

They both fit

Kemp-Crisp-Taylor, with Carter as DH = sweet.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a terrible idea.

Kemp’s contract isn’t team friendly and an average starter with 5 years of control will provide significantly more surplus value than kemp will in two expensive years.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm for trading for Kemp but not at the expense of Cahill.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah also its ned friking coletti. we better destroy him on a kemp trade

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Beane can convince Colleti to take Rajai and HRod for Kemp,

I will….forgive him for the first Holliday trade.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

A's eat all of Rajai's arb salary

STOLEN BASES. HE THROWS HARD. etcetc. lolol

by Blicks on Oct 15, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is the same guy who signed Juan Pierre to a ridiculous contract

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

People are jumping to conclusions way too fast about Cahill

He’s 22 freaking years old, for God’s sake. He has oodles of upside left, and is uniquely good at making baseballs sink. Attributing some of his success this year to luck is all well and good, but even if that’s true, he’s an extremely good bet to get better still.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of the community holds his rookie season over Cahill's head

He was a different pitcher this year. He commanded both sides of the strike zone and showed a lot of emotional maturity and a surprising command on the mound. I actually sorta miss the flyball ratio and downside arguments that were so prevalent back then.

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The key was

he actually showed a reliable breaking ball this year!

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by grover on Oct 14, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah this

i was a huge cahill guy when he was in the minors and was pretty lukewarm when he was brought up to start ‘09. that season destroyed my view of him (unfairly so it seems), to the point where i was waiting for him to blow up and revert to ’09 cahill and couldn’t really enjoy his ’10 season.

here’s to him progressing again in ’11.

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 15, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure he was

He was 21 freaking years old then, and had barely pitched above A ball. He did pretty awesomely well given those circumstances.

In any case, after he’s defied his advanced stats for a third consecutive year next year, all the haters will simmer down, because it will be officially verifiable that he has an anomalous way of getting outs.

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by jeepers on Oct 15, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Not saying Cahill’s a lock to be that much better next year, but what’s to say he doesn’t improve when he’s young as shit?!?
Patience!

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is why

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Athletics&pos=all&stats=pit&qual=0&type=6&season=2010&month=0

A+ He’s not as good as his record shows
B+ His trade value is at its highest
C We have a dire need for a good hitting COF and possibly 2B

= trading Cahill will get us a very good player that can hit 3 for us.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What am I supposed to be looking at?

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

His WAR

Which was the 4th highest out of our “big 4” this year, even BA housed him in half the amount of starts. He had the worst year out of our pitchers, yet because of PITCHERWINZZZ people think he had the best. Therefore his player stock is higher than his actual value. Therefore we should try and get a much better player whos in the opposite situation, such as a Matt Kemp, to trade him for.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

One year WAR samples don't mean everything.

He’s got 4 more cost controlled years, and he’s likely to improve.

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by travdog6 on Oct 14, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 more actually

If I’m not mistaken

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

no 4 cuz billy fked up his service time twice

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 15, 2010 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shit

Damnit. I really thought it was 5.
Awesome, Billy! Way to go, A+!

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Collateral damage of the Holdiay trade

Rush Anderson and Cahill to cobble together a pennant. Beane stated in interviews that Wolf told him to assemble a winner that year….Maybe it would have happened if the comcast advertisement was true, "WE HAVE: BRAWN, FOLLOWED BY MUSCLE, FOLLOWED BY BEEF….boy talk about false advertising….

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

NO HE DIDN'T WOLFF DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

In Blez’s interviews he seemed to exude a lot of pride on the 2006 run. I think it is fairly definitive the cargone/smith/street trade was solely in the interest of building a contender. Beane was told “make this work, get me a winner”, maybe it would have worked if we had another Frank Thomas year out of Giambi/ Chavvy didn’t revert into a zombie, and Holiday cracked a smile….

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was making fun of the people who always bitch

that Wolff doesn’t want to spend money and doesn’t care about winning games.

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You haven't met mikev yet

His primary role on this site is mocking people in the “anti-stats crowd” (whatever that means) in all CAPS, usually in concert with misspellings like “moar” or “dingerz” or “strickouts.” Mixing together exclamation points and the numeral one at the end of such posts is also usually customary.

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by jeepers on Oct 15, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I mock everybody.

If you’re going to try and talk shit, at least do it properly for chrissakes.

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

Thank you mikev, those of us here for the long run love your sarcasm, bullsh*t, etc.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

MikeV, in the fanpost "why I hate the playoffs"

I postulated a cleverly framed analytical tool of reasoning that I believed would start a movement to radically pull a 90 degree paradigm shift in the sabermetric community.

I aptly illustrated I was more than a casual watcher or fan: who doesn’t know the acronyms or methodology of advanced sabermetrics.

While I would like to re-explore my innovative ideas and thoughts, unfortunately a member of the AN community wished to censor my work.

This member chose to erase my work without consent…and in protest I will never attempt another sabermetric stat based post or analysis…

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is a shame.

It’s too bad that happened. I wish there was a way for those people to get their stuff back.

by LoneStranger on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well obviously the individual who deleted content

had good motivations. I am sure they explained themselves in a way that made you understand the appreciate the justification they had in such a decision.

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

um I have explained it three times

and have been at work every day since I deleted it.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone care to explain to me what this passive-aggressive meta-bullshit is doing on this thread?

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, I'm sorry?

Not quite sure what you’re expecting out of me, here.

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by mikev on Oct 18, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he is just trying to talk about

the “fanpost deleting affaire.”
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by Future Ed on Oct 18, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still waiting for someone to explain to me

how that’s even remotely related to anything on this thread.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not.

So hopefully the post doesn’t get deleted.

by LoneStranger on Oct 18, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it should be.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully your posts on this subthread sure as hell DO get deleted (well, hidden)

Parasitic threadjacks of unrelated discussions for purposes of petulant whining is really not something I am remotely interested in.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then go away.

Again. Or don’t read it. Your choice.

by LoneStranger on Oct 19, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not the one who interjected this crap onto a perfectly valid thread

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by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOLZ really?
I postulated a cleverly framed analytical tool of reasoning that I believed would start a movement to radically pull a 90 degree paradigm shift in the sabermetric community.

1 I read every comment in the thread and that surely didn’t exist

2 If you cant explain an idea twice its probably not very good and the likelihood of it being innovative is next to 0.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am fine of someone being a judge an arbiter of values within a post....but to delete it altogether.

Do you admit you disregarded other peoples time by claiming they could contribute their thoughts a 2nd time: because the post “aggravated you”?

Have you fully explained to the AN community the motivation in flexing your muscles and deleting the fanpost?

I personally feel that an explanation from DFA is due: How he become the ultimate judge and guardian on what content was okay to keep on this site. As well as his emerging and evolving principles that we must all understand and interpret. DFA shall alone monitor and proclaim what constitutes as appropriate “on topic” conversation. If we digress and stray beyond the acceptable BEWARE… DFA will flex his arbiter muscles, declare our time and effort and discussion cause him grief and “aggrevate him” and all shall be deleted at his fancy/whim.

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did you even read what I wrote?

First you have a ton of hubris to suggest that you had a thought that would revolutionize SABR thinking

Also this: If you cant explain an idea twice its probably not very good and the likelihood of it being innovative is next to 0.

Second, write your own god damn fanpost. You never have. Im sick of people that never write anything bitching about those of us who do.

Third I became the arbiter because AN granted me that power by giving me the option to delete a post. I cant delete anything that I didn’t write the fanpost for.

Fourth Ive explained this on several different threads and this is disrespectfull to NSJ fine effort here so take it to the DLD if you want to continue to complain.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough DFA

For the record I was using sarcasm about the SABR comment. The fact neither of us can view the source of “my hubris”, and why you don’t seem to care about that fact are beyond my understanding.

It is funny to hear your plea to “contribute more”, I would imagine a lot of people felt you were sending the opposite message with your unilateral act of censorship.

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not a plea

if you don’t want what you say to be deleted put it in a fanpost so that others cant delete it.

Further you completely hijacked this thread which was a good thread by NSJ. Its exactly the type of shit that should get deleted.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you name any ather authors of fan-posts that subscribe to throwing the baby out of the bathwater philiosphy?

I admit I should have kept the scope of my complaints to a DLD or another venue…all the same this chatter is in causality of you deleting your fanpost in the 1st place.

by hishnik on Oct 18, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If by "philosophy" you mean

agree that the writer of a FanPost has the right to delete it, I subscribe to that philosophy.

I would not delete a FanPost for the same reasons that DFA might, and I might not agree with any given deletion that he does, but I absolutely agree he has a right to do so.

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by iglew on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

you worry too much

about what should and shouldn’t belong

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by Future Ed on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I missed this.

Deleting threads is lame and self-indulgent.

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by jeepers on Oct 19, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I also flirt, too.

and I’ll also drag a gigantic fucking BBQ out to AN Day or to other various tailgates, although that has since been retired and I have a new setup.

So, basically, yeah. That’s me. and there are people here I consider friends. So far, that doesn’t include you, though I’m sure that would change if you were to ever show up to an event I was also at.

Feel free to keep taking the internet seriously though. and just for you:

INTERNETZ R SRS BIZNESS

(see there I spelled out the one instead of typing “1” that time. I like to mix it up sometimes.)

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am Ize yoar friend?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 16, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

OMGZ HEKKA.

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by mikev on Oct 16, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are making me laugh

Though, that could be the rum.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

keep on rocking in the free world.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 16, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

who wears

the biggest pants?

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by Future Ed on Oct 16, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not a matter "of taking things too seriously"

it’s a matter of finding such posts tiresome and annoying.

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by jeepers on Oct 16, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

feel free to not read it.

it’s not gonna hurt my feelings.

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by mikev on Oct 16, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point is, though

In 5 years time, Cahill’s WAR will greatly exceed Kemp’s in the next 2 years…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats opinion.

What if Kemp explodes into the 5-7 WAR guy his ceiling dictates? He could have 10-14 WAR in 2 years. Cahill might cruise at 2 the next 4 years. Plus, FWIW we seem to have a way easier time finding SPs than every other team. We can replace Cahills 2.5 WAR a helluva lot easier than finding a 5+ WAR OF out of nowhere.

We could also sign Kemp long term too.

by PL78 on Oct 15, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do we have the SP depth to trade?

PT was making an interesting argument that our pitching being woeful this year was more detrimental than our lackluster position players. I am all for kemp for a say: Mazzarro/HRod/weeks….Unless we make a FA SP similiar to the idea of Sheets I dont think we can trade Gio/Anderson/Cahill

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Braden is a lot better than we think.

Anderson-Gio-Braden is a perfectly good 3, one of the better ones in the game. Sign Hiroki Kuroda and thats an excellent 4. Even sign Webb and Duchscherer (Duke as a reliever/spot starter) and the potential is insane. Add Outman, Mazzaro, Ross, Cramer, & Mortensen to that mix and we have an embarrassment of riches.

by PL78 on Oct 15, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

Mazzarro and Outman wont crack the rotation next year.

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Mazzaro and Outman are definitely not better than Kuroda, nor Webb or potentially Duchscherer.

by PL78 on Oct 15, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda I'm for

signing guys like Duke and Webb make no sense though if we have Braden as the 5th starter. It’s just wasting money for what would be AAA filler. With Ross, Cramer, Mort, Outman, and Mazz already, we have plenty of that.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Duchscherer would

agree to be a reliever.

I think he looks to sign with a team that gives him an understanding that he’ll be used as starter only.

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by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let some other team make that agreement.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 15, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like an embarrassment of #4 starters

I’m not enthusiastic.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

i remember our first encounter here

It was about Braden (you were right at the time)…
That being said, wouldn’t you say Braden is now a solid #3?
Add BA and Gio (health assumed) and you’ve got 3 starters better than #4’s.

Really, I understand your pessimism over the pitching staff, but I don’t understand how you can call those 3 as #4 starters, they’ve proved otherwise in the last year…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

You really cant assume health w/r/t Anderson since hes never gone through a whole year healthy at any level.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 16, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's true

But I still don’t think you can call that a rotation full of #4’s when 2 guys who were healthy most of all season exceeded that and another who made 20 starts is a legitimate #1.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you could call Braden a #3

Given that, the A’s would have a rotation consisting of a #1 with injury problems, a mercurial #2 with big-time stuff but iffy command, a #3 with injury problems, and a bunch of #4s.

Even assuming health (and I don’t know why any A’s fan would do that), that’s barely above average.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, it's opinion

But the chances that Kemp’s WAR over 2 years is greater than Cahill’s over 4 is incredibly thin.
For Kemp to be anything above a 5 WAR player his defense needs to get drastically better.
Even if he does, the idea that Cahill has peaked as a 2.5 WAR pitcher over an entire season is also unlikely.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree, agree, disagree.

Pitchers have a great first year then flare out all the time. Cahill’s peripheral stats are all gigantic red flags. I’d prefer we sell high on him than try to move anyone else.

by PL78 on Oct 15, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was Cahill's 2nd year.

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's the hyperbole talking but...

If Cahill’s 2.88 BB/9 is truly a “gigantic red flag” then we really are all going to die. His 0.87 HR/9 is also pretty good.

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by grover on Oct 15, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention a 56% groundball rate...

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by lenscrafters on Oct 15, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

When comparing WAR,

are you considering opportunity cost? You can’t just compare one guy’s two years against another guy’s four because you have to figure the limited capacity of giving playing time. Your two-year guy is taking up less roster time-space; he leaves two years empty that could be filled by someone else, which the four-year guy doesn’t.

If you just add up WARs over different numbers of years, you could conclude that 10 years of a 0.5 WAR guy is more valuable than 1 year of a 4.5 WAR guy, which is patently false.

The same reasoning is why one 4 WAR guy is worth more than four 1 WAR guys, and why a guy who puts up 2 WAR playing only half a season is better than a guy who puts up 2 WAR playing a whole season.

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this and agree that it is oft-overlooked

I would love to see a saber site to a discount rate study to see about what the discount rate should be for future years.

I don’t know how you could systematically cover the concentratedness point, which is also correct.

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by nevermoor on Oct 16, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the concentratedness

is more relevant than the discount rate for future.

I also believe that the discount rate is not universal. It would be higher for a fan in his 40s than for a fan in his 20s. Owners, players, fans, we all have different perspectives. I’m not sure there even is such a thing as an independent “team’s point of view”.

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by iglew on Oct 17, 2010 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Im all about an offseason where pretty much everybody is traded except Barton and Gio

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we did that literally...

…what would the point be in keeping Barton and Gio?

I’m presuming you mean trade and rebuild again, which would mean by the time those prospects matured Barton and Gio would be gone via free agency, so why bother keeping them?

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by UncleLeo on Oct 15, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

you have a lot more service time with both of them. I think you could contend two or three years out.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 15, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barton's got 4 seasons till FA, same as Cahill

Gio has an extra year, but he’ll be a Super 2.

Anderson has team options that could keep him in Oakland as long as Gio.

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by grover on Oct 15, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Beane is considering trading Gio

It would be really wise to sign him to an extension buying out those arb years.
He could get expensive quick if we’re not careful..

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

He’s a couple of years behind on the Jonathan Sanchez track. Sanchez isn’t especially expensive.

Gonzalez seems like a year-to-year guy to me. Too much risk that he turns into the next Rich Hill.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Gio is 3 years younger and was more valuable than Sanchez this year…
I just don’t understand the comparison…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

PT used the word "mercurial" to describe Gio upthread

Seems like a pretty apt characterization to me.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 18, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cozart is 1.5 Frazier is 1.5 next year and Pennington is 3 WAR.

you get more control and I think Frazier and Cozart out perform their projections.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Pennington at 3 is a sure thing either.

He could go up or down, I think.

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by travdog6 on Oct 14, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think hell be 2 - 2.5 next year personally

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

His defense will get him to 2.5-3.0 pretty easily

If he improves with the bat he goes 4+, if not, he stays as is at 3.5-4.0.

I’m all for trading whoever, but SS isnt a position of great depth around the league, Pennington definitely stays as does Gio and Barton, but I’m into trading whoever we can to make the team better.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

His bat and defense both have significant collapse potential.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

I think his glove has serious getting better (I’m blanking on the word) potential, but at this point I think his value is hardly set in stone.

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by travdog6 on Oct 15, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He mostly had Hammy pulls in the minors right?

I know in the NFL those can linger and be the kiss of death for a career (i.e. Jeff George), but can we assume he and Allejo have found the correct balance of diet/conditioning/stretching to cure his past issues? I think a big ? mark with a lot is his past propensity to get dinged up and injured.

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're the biggest "need 3 years of UZR" drum beater out there.

His defense so far has been by no means conclusive of what he will do in the future. I’m optimistic, but open to the possibility of a dropoff.

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by travdog6 on Oct 15, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good news to be optimistic about his defense

is he lead the league in UZR Range, and had a bad error rate.

I think errors is something a person can get better at.

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good,

but if next year he stops getting so many balls hit in the hole, then his UZR will drop.

Again I’m not saying it’s the most likely scenario, I just wouldn’t bet money on his future performance.

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by travdog6 on Oct 15, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gallego said in a radio interview he will be much better next year

Penny tries to make throws to 1st that area nearly impossible. A lot of his errors are self induced.

by hishnik on Oct 15, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

This.

Jeter made no errors because he didnt get to anything.

by PL78 on Oct 15, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or Nakajima at 2nd?

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well that would be the back up if you cant find value for Pennington.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really like what I've heard about Nakajima

But the Kaz Matsui comparisons scare the crap out of me…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hes young still at 26 so I think that you have that on your side

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

28, but yeah, hitting peak years now...

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

someone will sign him to play SS though

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 14, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

trading Penny right now would kill us.

He’s very good. Unless you see Grant Green making a giant leap I say we hold onto him for a while.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do we have any internal replacements at SS?

Rosales is the only guy that comes to mind. I doubt Kouz could transition over if we do a better job to lure Beltre over…..Which to my mind will fall apart the same way it did with furcal.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not unless you like a lighter hitting SS than Pennington...

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Penny is around the 6th best SS in baseball after this year

If Penny Stays around this level, it would be nice if we could develop our talent on a guy like green in the Tampa Bay mold. Let him season at each level of AA and AAA for a full year.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Penny is around the 6th best SS in baseball after this year

If Penny Stays around this level, it would be nice if we could develop our talent on a guy like green in the Tampa Bay mold. Let him season at each level of AA and AAA for a full year.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Pennington is bad

My point is that Horton isn’t really an option unless he’s got a better glove than Pennington, which is doubtful…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Horton's defensively iffy at short

Better off going with Tolleson or Sogard, IMO.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is Tolleson defensively at short?

I think he has a better bat than Pennington.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

or Rosales

or trade for Cozart

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you please read my arguments before making stupid comments like this

Im proposing signing a SS

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

DFA I was only asking what internal options we have

I didn’t realize this would get you angry. I am sorry I didn’t acknowledge your assertion of signing a SS.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're not the one he's calling stupid.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually I didn't call anyone stupid. I called specific comments that completely ignore the argument that I make dumb

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Dont worry it wasn't directed at you.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nakajima is a decent SS

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm very skeptic until he actually hits in MLB.

I’d rather keep Pennington unless Nakajima or Green forces him out of a job.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll be seeing the Ellis/Penny combo again in 2011

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

pure speculation

but why would he sign as a 2B if he is an SS, he already has all the new country issues to worry about without switching positions

(admittedly, i haven’t done HW on him…has he played 2B in japan?)

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 15, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah

Too much money and too much risk. Hell, throwing 130MM at Lee would probably be much smarter than throwing upwards of 100MM on Darvish only to see him end up a MOR starter or in the pen.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard it was inevitable

But, OTOH, he has been quoted as saying he wants to play in Japan for 5+ more years…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW I see Beane going after Darvish if he's posted.

I’d like to trade for Jose Reyes and move him to 2B. No one has thought of that yet have they? If we somehow got Crawford we’d have the fastest team ever.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

How much do you see Darvish posted for?

Add to that his salary and you could be potentially talking about ~$100M contract

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's going to be similar to Dice-K

Which was $100MM for 3 years including posting fee. I think Darvish’s posting fee might be a little less because of the economy, but I dont think Beane would be scared of that. Darvish is the real deal.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the A's sign Darvish

I could see the fan base grow quite a bit

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

How so?

The large SF asian crowd?

Couldn’t the same be accomplished by signing Matsui? If the goal is to create fans, then the cost of Darvish over Matsui is tenfold…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

but Darvish has more of a Strasburg-type hype, IMO

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but wouldn't you rather have a guy that's probably pretty damn good

instead of a guy who is worse than what we already have?

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

if the A’s went so hard after Chapman, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go after Darvish, especially if Beane is hinting a new stadium might be on the way

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because giving $100M to a relatively unproven pitcher

Who could very well turn in to the most expensive reliever this side of the ’10 midseason version of Zambrano makes me very very nervous. Chapman cost a 1/4 of that.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curt Young would not let that happen

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It may very well be out of Curt Young's hands...

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never doubt the Curt Young Romanick magic

They have really worked miracles with some guys….

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying let's go sign Matsui

My point is that if the goal of signing Darvish is to increase fanbase, then it’s a foolish one.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matsui is 12 years older than Darvish

and Darvish is cooler-looking. I think new fans would come just because he is an unknown quantity. Of course if he wasn’t any good, they wouldn’t come back.

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by Englishmajor on Oct 14, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darvish is also awesome at baseball.

Matsui is only meh. Cust is a better hitter than Matsui, so why get rid of him?

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darvish is cooler-looking.

HAHAHA…
I know what you mean, but that’s a pretty funny argument…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the crowd that comes out for Ichiro?

They definitely didn’t do that for Akinori Iwamura. I think Darvish could bring them out, but whether or not they’re a relevant factor is highly debatable to say the least.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if we could get a long-term contract for Darvish,

I have a feeling that should Suzuki retire, attention would be diverted to another star, and a star in the Bay Area is pretty much as easy to access as one in Seattle, compared to Boston or NY. If Darvish is that star, there’s more money to be made than what comes in through the turnstile.

by LoneStranger on Oct 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's just got a cool ass name.

I mean really? YU DARVISH?

That’s awesome.

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's half Persian

Pretty cool mix.

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by Rebuilding Season on Oct 15, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder why with Darvish

everyone always says “half-Persian” instead of “half-Iranian”. His father is, in fact, Iranian. I realize that they’re essentially the same thing, but we don’t usually say “Persian” for anyone else, but with Darvish people always do. Is it because he has a good P.R. agent who does that on purpose to avoid any negative connotations with the label “Iranian”?

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by iglew on Oct 15, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, just like saying "Mediterranean food"

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The language is called Farsi...

I’ve heard a lot of people referred to as Persian.

Besides, Persian is an ethnic group, Iranian is a nationality. There are plenty of non-Persian Iranians.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, and there are non-Iranian Persians, too.

But Darvish’s father was both, so the question still remains why one is emphasized over the other.

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mm, I should clarify.

Darvish’s father was Persian born in Iran. As a teenager he came to the United States for school. In college he met Yu’s mother, a Japanese also in the United States for school. They married and went back to Japan to live there. That was in 1982, a time when moving back to Iran would have been even less appealing than usual. Yu was born in Japan in 1986.

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember some riff on this subject from the Axis of Evil Comedy Tour

Anyway, I think Persian is just the preferred nomenclature by a majority of Iranian/Persians.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you mean a majority of

Iranian/Persian emigrés, or of all Iranian/Persians?

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by iglew on Oct 17, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess emigres

It would be difficult to get an objective measure of the opinions of residents since the country does not endorse free speech.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

My friend is Persian/Iranian

And he refers to himself as Persian.

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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 15, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most Iranian expat/recent immigrants use Persian over Iranian

Some like the association with the older history, others hate the Shah.

by hishnik on Oct 16, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

in LA, it's only "Persian" and never "Iranian"

it seems to break down along the lines of who left during the revolution.

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by cityplANner on Oct 16, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you clarify this?

It sounds interesting but I can’t tell if you’re saying the newer immigrants or the older immigrants prefer “Persia”. The first Shah took over in 1935 and that’s when the name was officially changed. I’m not sure who it is that would reject the name “Iran”, the ones who hate the shahs or the ones who hate the revolution (or maybe both?)

By the way, I have since found several articles referring to Darvish as “Iranian”, including some where those are his own words in quotes. But then again, he may be speaking in Japanese, in which case that may be the translator’s interpretation, not his own. (How do you say Persia/Iran in Japanese? Do they also have the two different names, or do they call it something else?)

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, you can draw the same distinction in Japanese

Mr. Darvish Sr.’s min is Persian, but he is an Iran-jin.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume that's the race/nationality distinction.

Do they also use the words “Persian” and “Iranian” or equivalents in Japanese?

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by iglew on Oct 17, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Essentially

They’re just loanwords; there’s no special word for them in Japanese.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some good discussion of this

on Wikipedia, in this section and especially this one that follows.

It seems the history of the names is quite muddled, and the personal identifications by various groups is rather complicated.

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by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Let's go Yu! Yes, you, Dar-vish!"

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by DMOAS on Oct 15, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

His pickoff move

is called a whirling Darvish, I assume.

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by jeepers on Oct 15, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which should take, assuming he averages the same number of hits each year,

three and a third more years.

So like I said, we’d need a Darvish long term contract. :)

by LoneStranger on Oct 15, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is closer than i thought

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a sinking feeling

that the A’s are going to be left holding a big fat bag of money, or worse, with a damaged old person that fails to meet expecations in Karros or Giambi-like fashion. I sure hope I’m wrong.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

This would be the safe bet.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't resist buying the Piazza Dog Tages and Karros Jersey

at the 2nd last game of the year….They converted the east side club to a crazy discount store with the jerseys of ghosts past….

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

How cheap was the Karros jersey?

Kind of wish I’d have checked into that now.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had just a couple of Karros and Holiday,

A million road grey’s of Chavy. They were all around 75+ Tax….Cash only of course….

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

A million Chavy road grays?

If I was a person with money to spend on replica jerseys, the combination of Eric Chavez and road gray would make so much sense.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT is if....

You hadn’t already been suckered into buying one for 200…..Which I did right after Miggy left for Free Agency.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Andruw Jones' destination or merits?

He’s intriguing to me as a full time corner outfielder.

by rebus on Oct 14, 2010 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

meh

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Or he could really suck again if he decides that conditioning isn’t important again…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd look into him if other options fall through.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I would love to have him as 4th OF/backup 1B…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm interested.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting...Edmunds might be good backup for Crisp. Better him than Rajai at least.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

its an upgrade on Rajai who we only control for one more year anyway.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh?

Rajai’s service time is at 3.xxx right now.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm youre right... my bad.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not if he doesn't play, it isn't.

Nor will he be as cheap.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw your post. It was very clever. Thanks for reposting...

Not talking about banking the entire offseason on the guy. Talking about something in the neighborhood of $2.5m guaranteed, a $1.75m raise on Gross, or a little bit more than the A’s paid Connor Jackson last year.

by AgitationStation on Oct 15, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this idea

If everything falls through, an Edmonds/Raj platoon might work out real nice.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

complete guesses

cliff: yankees

crawford: boston

beltre: boston

werth: detroit

pena: LAA (morales to DH, napoli to…well, jeff mathis is still there so probably the bench)

r. soriano: i wanted to say LAA, but they just got burned on fernando rodney’s big deal…whatever. LAA

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by flipgatey3 on Oct 14, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Like a lot of people, I see four main players for these playas:

1. Yanks
2. BoSox
3. Angels
4. Tigers

Yanks will get Lee.
BoSox will get Werth
Angels will get Beltre.
Tigers will get Crawford.

Basically, the four rich teams will all bid against themselves for each marquee guy and will only be left to max-out on one pickup each.

- Yanks will be satisfied with Lee and re-signing all of their legacies.
- Bosox get good/healthy defender and good righthanded power threat for Fenway with Werth.
- Seems like Angels and Beltre are just too good of a match to see him going anywhere else.
- Detroit has a boatload of cash coming off the books, and an outfield/top of the order of Crawford and Austin Jackson (followed by Cabrera and maybe Ordonez again) is pretty damn exciting.

Sadly, unlike NSJ, I really see no way of the A’s competing for any of these guys.

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by Taj Adib on Oct 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, Detroit getting Crawford?

Interesting.

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be extremely happy if we could land Werth

I don’t see Crawford even considering Oakland so Werth is who the team should focus on from the beginning.

I also see Beane making some sort of impact trade for a hitter so by offseason’s end I think/hope we’ll have our 2 new hitters that we’ve all been craving for some time.

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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

So, The National League won't get involved in any of these deals???

Beltre – SF Giants

Cliff Lee – St. Louis Cardinals

Werth – Tigers

Crawford/Pena – Boston

by Colorado Fan on Oct 14, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Your Lee prediction is scaarrrry

I’m sorry, I never, ever, ever want Albert Pujols in the American League.

I don’t see how the Cardinals can sign Cliff Lee and then afford to pay Pujols his huge contract. I really don’t.

by Blicks on Oct 14, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have to keep pujols

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pujols is a Cardinal till he dies.

He’ll be wearing a Cardinals uniform as a player, coach, or manager until he drops dead.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

but they have to have the money to do so

Pujols won’t command an A-Rod contract, but he’ll easily, easily command more than Jeter and Teixeira did, and by a lot.

It’s going to be the biggest contract in baseball history for a first baseman, and probably the 3rd biggest in history, behind only the two A-Roid contract(s).

If he doesn’t get close to a competent offer, he’ll test FA IMO. The Cards aren’t the Yankees, they can’t have 3 100MM++ guys on the roster (and they’d have 2 if they got Lee, not including Pujols)

by Blicks on Oct 19, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you not think he'll command an A-Rod contract

He could easily command $30M/year…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

beltre is too young for SF

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

haha

+1

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

I can see Crawford and Pena to the Sox and Werth to the Tigers, but I have to disagree on the others.
No effing way Lee goes to STL unless they’re making a 1 year run at it next year and then let Pujols walk.
Also, Beltre to the Giants? How do you figure? They’ve got Sandoval there and Derosa will be back next year as well and could fit there. So unless they trade Sandoval or Brandon Belt and move Sandoval to 1st I don’t see them making this move…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figure that Sandoval shouldn’t be playing 3B and DeRosa shouldn’t be there either. Sabean remembers how good Beltre was in the NL West.

The Lee thing to St Louis is a wild guess… isn’t that the point of this post? Cards seem to have a ton of money. I really want to see the NL step up to the plate to compete against the Angels, Rangers, Red Sox, and Yankees. Who has money to spend in the NL?

by Colorado Fan on Oct 14, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE PHILLIES, THE PHILLIES!

They aren’t gonna have money problems AT ALL in the next 5 years…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say no

He’s lost a step, IMO

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s been injured for most of this year i believe

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not completely opposed

But I’d like to entertain signing Ordonez before I consider Lee…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He vetoed a trade to Thousand Oaks because he didn't wanna be on this side of the country

something about a daughter with an illness, if I remember correctly

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by mikev on Oct 14, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Retinoblastoma, if I recall correctly

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by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Derek Fisher's daughter has that.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm, wrong Derek?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Timing should be pretty important, no?

Does anyone have an inclination as to which players will sign first?

If

by echerrst on Oct 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

No, but that's why I think we should go for just 1 FA aggresively at the start of the FA period

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But it may be the only way we could sign one of these guys…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

why would that one guy take the first offer?

He could pit the teams against each other and make more..

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

See guys like Torii Hunter

I’m not saying it will work, but it has…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess all of this depends on the stadium stuff

If it’s SJ all the way after the winter meetings, there is probably a better chance at signing that prized FA (though still low for one of the big kahunas) than if not.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I was a FA

I think it would be pretty damn cool to be the superstar who signs with a team and gets to lead them to their new stadium.
Of course, I’m an A’s fan and I want them here, but still…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's why i am signing with florida

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

liar, you just want to play with Bosh and Wade.

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just want to give my team a chance to win

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by Future Ed on Oct 15, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

seems like NSJ's argument for CC

Is based solely on the assumption that the other teams run out of money because they sign other FA’s first. If Crawford is the second best FA to Lee, then he will get the primary attention. In this scenario, the other players get more sign-able because so much money has been spent on Crawford.

by echerrst on Oct 14, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

just a minor point

but you are not allowed to give out a contract of greater than 7 years in the state of California.

by jasonlbe on Oct 14, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

what?

seriously, or a gag? what the code section?

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

There’s got to be some loopholes though…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really comes from the entertainment industry but applies to all personal services contracts

As an entertainment lawyer that looks at many record deals, I can tell you that it definitely is real.

De Havilland Law – Cal Labor Code Section 2855

The loophole is that you could probably put in player options for additional years, because there is an exception if the individual voluntarily continues services beyond 7 years. But of course that ruins a lot of trade flexibility in years 7 and beyond.

by Billy Frijoles on Oct 14, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knew there would be some kind of loophole...

I have to think there’s been a hockey contract that’s busted this though…
Maybe not in Cali…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool thanks

outside my subscription unfortunately.

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by Future Ed on Oct 14, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Labor Code section is preempted by the MLB collective bargaining agreement

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

im pretty sure thats not accurate

When does a collective bargaining agreement allow you to sell out your rights?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine mostly because you're collectively bargaining for your rights

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah you cant collectively bargain less rights than labor law guarantees

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless the labor law allows for it

there are overtime laws that allow for exceptions based on CBAs. Not sure if this particular law has that allowance, but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if it did.

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember us having this convo before

And I thought the conclusion we came to was that the 7 year thing didn’t apply.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

On both counts

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by nevermoor on Oct 14, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole point of the NLRA was to create rights which unions could bargain away

in exchange for “goodies” (thank you, Prof. Schiller :p).

Also, the NLRA, as federal legislation, will preempt state laws that interfere with its objectives.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 14, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

please cite one case where a collectively bargained contract was legally allowed to over rule not augment rights of workers.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Oct 15, 2010 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Practically every CBA ever negotiated waives the right to strike

There are clearly limits on what can be waived by a CBA— for instance, you probably couldn’t waive whistleblower protections under OSHA because those are designed to protect the public, not individual employees. But all of them waive some rights.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the opt-out clause in 2015

Thereby making it a 7 year obligation, after which Schosiauidniewb can voluntarily continue service…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't CBAs negate most labor laws like this?

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by DMOAS on Oct 14, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good predictions

i think
Beltre-ANGLES or stays with Redsox
so i would love a Type A free agent for the outfield
Jayson Werth.wich the A’s will have to throw alot of money at.
tho i would not mind,Brad Hawpe,or even Magglio Ordonez would help stiffen the line up
at DH the A’s could go after Russel Branyan,Andruw Jones,Eric Hinske or even Matsui.

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by bigmac25 on Oct 14, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

If Billy signs Brad Hawpe I will become a Giants fan.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 14, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

And I would rather have Cust than any of those DH options

by drink on Oct 14, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Hinske is a PH, and a good one.

Doesn’t let himself get too rusty from lack of playing time. But that’s all he’s good for at this point in his career. Pick him up for cheap when it’s postseason-run time.

As far as the other options, none of them is better than Jack Cust. In fact, they aren’t even as good as Jack Cust. Why are we so determined to downgrade at DH?

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Oct 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we just have 1 season where Jack Cust plays DH every game and is never PH for?

I’d love to see that. Every time Geren pinch hits for his DH a baby dies….or so I heard.

by PL78 on Oct 14, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't avoid interleague.

But the rest is true, at least until and unless somebody better than him can DH.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda

I’ve recently become enamored with the idea of
1) signing Kuroda and trading Cahill (or maybe Gio) for the big position player upgrade we need at COF, 2b, or 3b. (Kemp, Rasmus, Choo-type players (obviously the details of the package are different for each but just talking about the centerpiece on each side)
2) Sign someone at the level of Magglio or Hudson (or resign Ellis if he can play ~3 WAR again) for a good value/short deal.
3) Keep Cust at DH and insert Carter into the other unfilled COF spot and hope for the best.

I like this because I think it addresses a number of current and future potential problems. We make upgrades at weak positions with hopefully at least one big upgrade in the lineup. It also doesn’t hurt future payroll flexibility as there is no super big/long contract in the mix. It spread out some of the future hefty cost of having Anderson/Cahill/Gio under bigger contracts at the same time, to Kuroda’s current contract (if that makes sense).

Lastly, I don’t see this working out where we’d obviously pick up enough expected wins to be favorites in the division. But let’s be honest, the A’s, under their current payroll and talent contraints, need to get lucky somewhere. I think something like this would set us up so that if something lucky happens (for example: Barton discovers a power stroke on top of his current skills), we’d suddenly be a very good team.

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by jali on Oct 14, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Btw, sorry for the fact that the comment is unrelated to the initial post but any post about free agents dreams will get the roster thoughts flowing.

by jali on Oct 14, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great comments and discussion

Some responses to a few different topics that came up:

1. Lots of people seem to want to trade for a very talented offensive player that has fallen out of favor with his current team. But think about the A’s manager. Is Bob Geren known for reaching hard-to-reach players? How would Matt Kemp respond to leaving his idyllic Rihanna/Los Angeles lifestyle and playing in Oakland? Is B.J. Upton likely to make a breakthrough with Bob Geren that he didn’t make with Joe Maddon?

If the A’s had a manager known for revitalizing people’s careers and getting every ounce out of their talent, I’d love that type of trade. But they don’t.

2. If Darvish were posted this off-season, that changes everything. But that’s a huge “if”. It’s very likely he won’t be posted. He has several years remaining prior to Japanese free agency and he’s expressed no desire in coming to MLB anytime soon.

If Darvish were posted, it would make the most economic sense for the Yankees and Red Sox to pursue him – not small-market teams. Darvish makes the most sense for the Yanks because money toward posting fees doesn’t count against payroll for the luxury tax. So if the Yankees make a $100M commitment for Darvish, and $50M of that is posting fee and the other $50M is a six-year contract, only the six-year contract is part of their lux tax calculated payroll. Since the Yanks are perpetually over the lux tax line, and pay 40% annually for every dollar over $170M at this point, it makes a lot sense to pursue Darvish and his ~$8M 2011 salary instead of the ~$23M AAV that will be attached to Lee.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

1) Not to speak for anyone else, but to me, the A’s should look at talented players who’ve fallen out of favor because the A’s can’t reasonably get anyone else. They need a big upgrade, but they can’t get one without some warts. I think to most people, the wart of a bad year or two is a little easier to deal with than injury problems or just plain lack of talent.

True, Geren may not be able to get the best out of the guy, but in my mind, it’s a gamble worth taking. I could understand not wanting to go that route though.

by jali on Oct 14, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was Ken Macha known for revitalizing careers?

Did it matter in 2006 with Frank Thomas and Milton Bradley?

If it does matter, well, he’s available right now. In any case, Bob fucking Geren (or any manager) shouldn’t be an impediment to getting a marquee player.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it did matter

Remember Bradley’s exit?

I also object to the classifying of Matt Kemp as marquee. The guy produced 0.4 WAR this year. He’s produced 9.8 WAR in about four full seasons of playing of time combined – an average of 2.5 WAR per year.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 14, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, Bradley's exit had more to do with his issues with Beane rather than the manager not "reaching" him.

And like I said, the manager seemed to “reach” him just fine in 2006.

The only reason we can even talk about Matt Kemp as a viable trade candidate is because of his issues with management (which seem to be caused by management) and his suckiness this year. The reason why we want to trade for him is because he was a 5 WAR player at age 25 in CF a year ago. For the A’s and their limited resources, this is about a marquee of a trade candidate as they can get.

His .4 WAR this year is affected by a -24 UZR. The last three years previous, he was -5, -2, +3. I wouldn’t evaluate him as a -25 defensive player going forward. And averaging WAR per year seems to me to be a rather inane way of evaluating players, especially young players.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 on Bradley.

His time in Oakland may well have been his best extended run at sanity, unless you give the nod to Texas.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did we ever get the fulls tory on the skirmish details with management?

I have to admit I had no idea he would implode in Seattle….Boy that team just had everything go wrong this year.

by hishnik on Oct 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me Bradley's extended run at sanity in Oakland...

…is an aberration. He’s gonna have a meltdown from time to time. Regardless where he is. And he’s not Old Faithful regarding timing. It’s just who he is.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 15, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Thomas & Ron Washington

get two guys in the clubhouse who command Bradley’s respect and you’ll get good behavior

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by cityplANner on Oct 15, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

No one f*cks around with Frank Thomas in the clubhouse.
That guy, while super nice, still scares the shit outta me.

Imagine a clubhouse with Chris Carter, Michael Taylor and Frank Thomas.
Everyone else would look dwarfed compared to them…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that... to a point.

And it may have something to do with the extended sanity, but I still think it’s inevitable and a matter of time with him.

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by UncleLeo on Oct 15, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

though SSS

he’s way better at a COF spot. Last time I checked he was -3 in LF or something.

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's -5.9/150.

Although that’s over a little more than half a season in Left…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point of the "change-of-scenery" guy like Kemp

Is that he shows up and says to himself “hey, this isn’t the Dodgers” and sort of organically gets better because of it. Not that he develops an immediate rapport with the new manager which causes him to be awesome.

I like Kemp because he already hits in a hitter-unfriendly park and is probably not that bad defensively when put in a COF position next to a great CF like Coco. When you field next to Manny and Eithier, I imagine you think you have to patrol the entire outfield (which you might as well).

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 15, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously though

If he were to come to Oakland, he would at least have a GM who has his back.
I still cannot believe the comments Colletti made about him.
Completely unacceptable…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 15, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Green is playing 3B tonight

The next Chavez (sans injury)? I would welcome the transition

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

He doesn't profile to have Chavy's power potential, does he?

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by cityplANner on Oct 14, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does have a little pop…he hit 20 HRs time year

by TBRMKane on Oct 14, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Chavez accumulated 51 home runs in two minor league seasons all before the age of 21.

He was in the majors for good after those two minor league seasons.

I’d say no.

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by lenscrafters on Oct 14, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Late to the party it seems...

I’m not sure where these guys end up… but if the A’s can’t sign Crawford than I don’t see a top tier FA bat that’s worth the expense.

The A’s would be best served in a non-signing Crawford scenario to explore the trade market. They need to lighten the load on the 40 man roster anyways.

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by grover on Oct 14, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

They've been doing some bloodletting the past couple of days.

Still more to go, though.

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by jeepers on Oct 14, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're looking to protect Cardenas and Taylor at a minimum

Brown, Banwart and maybe even Doolittle also factor in.

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by grover on Oct 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

More than that, I think

It’s already pretty clear that Horton and Sulentic are outsies, but there are a bunch of other borderline guys. I commented on it a few weeks ago, but I don’t have time to look for it right this second. I found like 9 players who potentially needed “protection.”

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by PaulThomas on Oct 15, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Derek Jeter is a player who needed protection.

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by travdog6 on Oct 15, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

w/ Crocs

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by cityplANner on Oct 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've got a list... think I got everyone on it

I’ll post it when I get home tonight.

But yeah, there’s a bunch.

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by grover on Oct 15, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here go...

Travis Banwart
Carlos Hernandez
Justin Friend
Fabian Williamson
Andrew Carignan
Corey Wimberly
Michael Taylor
Sean Doolittle
Corey Brown
Matt Sulentic (’Tis his 1st time eligible, might as well mention him)
Adrian Cardenas
Brad Kilby

Banwart and Hernandez are currently pitching in the AFL. Kilby has pitched very well the past the past two years… a team could gamble on him getting healthy. Wimberly had a solid year in AAA, he might create interest as an IF/OF bench option.

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by grover on Oct 15, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think they'd put Kilby back on the 40 man after they just took him off it?

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by mikev on Oct 15, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've read that Kilby had shoulder surgery...

I’ve also read he just had a strain.

So I’ve got no freakin’ clue when he’ll be healthy. If he’s good to go by ST then yeah, I could see him going back on the 40 man, especially ahead of a bunch of those other guys.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kilby elected to forgo FA

And he doesn’t expect to be ready at all next season…
Wish I could link it, but cannot find the article right now…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot Jonathan Joseph and Josh Horton

I don’t think Joseph will be added; I think the team will risk it since he’s still pretty far from the majors.

I can’t see Friend, Williamson, Carignan, Sulentic, Horton or Kilby getting on either (Kilby, as noted, was just taken off). Cardenas, Brown and Taylor are locks. Doolittle, Wimberley, Hernandez and Banwart are on the bubble.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did forget Joseph. Good catch.

I was actually snubbing Horton.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a much better prospect than Sulentic, Friend or Williamson...

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't heard much about him... do you or PT have a scouting report on his stuff?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going to have to hope grover's got something on this one

My scouting service of choice, also known as “Google,” seems to be confused by the 902374 other athletes who apparently have the same name.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 18, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like your google-fu needs an upgrade.

Try combinations with “Kane County”, “Vancouver” or “Dominican” (along with the usual, like “baseball”, “scouting”, etc). And be sure “Jonathan Joseph” is grouped in quotes.

Just be glad his name is Jonathan Joseph rather than John Joseph. Now that would be a challenge.

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by iglew on Oct 18, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I chuckled hard at this

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 18, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

BA's 2010 Handbook

Fastball 92-94, touching 96. Straight but heads downhill due to high 3/4 delivery. 12-6 curve at 75-79. Rudimentary change. Repeats his delivery but command is inconsistent.

I’ll keep an eye out for anything newer.

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by grover on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doolittle

blast from the past

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by cityplANner on Oct 15, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rule 5 Guys

Good research grover, thanks.

Corey Brown was called back up to Sac in the final week of the season and had five extra-base hits, including three bombs. I think it helps him that he hits left-handed and plays plus defense in a corner and passably in CF, and that this franchise is shaky long-term in those departments. I’m gonna say he gets protected.

A decision is probably being made on Banwart in the AFL, but nothing about his stats screams out that he needs protection.

I’m going to guess that only Cardenas, Taylor, and Brown are added. And Brown is really reaching. He k’s a ton and doesn’t have the tremendous power to offset that.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 16, 2010 5:41 AM PDT reply actions  

That sounds about right,

although I don’t think Brown is a reach at all.

How does the DL work in the offseason?

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by travdog6 on Oct 16, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't

I don’t think you can’t put players on the 60-day until just before the start of the season.

Someone might want to double check the CBA on that… I gotta go to work.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Then, looking at the 40 man:

SP: Anderson, Braden, Cahill, Cramer, Gonzalez, Mazzaro, ClayMort, Outman, Ross, Figueroa. (10)
RP: Bailey, Blevins, Breslow, FDLS, Devine, James, HRod, Meloan, Souza, Wuertz, Zeigler, Boof. (12).
C: Donaldson, Powell, Zooks. (3)
IF: Barton, Ellis, Penny, Kouz, Tolleson, Sogard, Rosales. (7)
OF: Crisp, Cust, Rajai, Sweeney, Jackson, Buck (5).

Add on the other 3-4 guys who need protection/deserve it, that puts us at about 41 guys, unless I’m (probably) forgetting someone. Add onto that a FA signing hopefully….

Seems to be a lot of guys that are expendable here: Figueroa really needs to make a move. James, Meloan, and Souza need to prove a lot. FDLS and Devine’s arms are hanging by a thread. Boof is Boof. Jackson probably won’t be back, and Buck sadly isn’t a loss. So I think room can be made if need be.

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by travdog6 on Oct 16, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Figueroa I think we could outright off since hes 24 is having TJS and will be in AA in a year (25) when he gets back.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 16, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is an option, to be sure

But I can also see a scenario where someone like KC or Pittsburgh… or basically any team without dreams of 2011 contention… would draft Figueroa in the Rule 5 and stick him on the 60 day DL at the start of the season. Sure, he’ll acrue service time but they don’t burn an option. Any innings he throws in the minors are likely to be essentially bullpen work. Convert him into a relief arm full time, AFL after next season and if he doesn’t make the 25 man roster to start 2012 his new team still has a power lefty arm in the upper minors that could be ready before the end of the season.

I’m not saying not to outright him… just to be prepared to lose him if you do.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He'd still have to be offered back to Oakland if he didn't make the 2012 roster though, right

since DL time doesn’t count as being on the active roster, Figueroa would still be required to be on the 25 man roster for a full season else be offered back to his original team.

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by mikev on Oct 16, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure
If, because of injury, a player selected in the Rule 5 draft spends less than 90 days on the active Major League roster, he also must remain on the Major League roster the next season until he earns 90 days of service. Otherwise, he must be put on waivers and offered back to his original club.

So… Team non-A’s does the 60 day DL with Figueroa in 2011. AFL in 2011, maybe some Winter Ball as well. Then in 2012 they can stash him at the back of the bullpen for 3 months before sending him down if necessary. It’s a long term play but given how little RP make via arbitration it wouldn’t cost his new team much money. A healthy Figueroa boasts a low-90’s fastball from the left side. That always attracts attention.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You thinkk dayton moore is gonna do this?

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by Future Ed on Oct 16, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

It’s strictly better to claim a player on waivers than to Rule 5 draft him.

That’s the reason why teams will often risk getting a guy drafted in Rule 5 with borderline players. Putting a player on the 40-man roster can actually increase the odds of losing him.

Also, DL time does not count against the forced-time-in-the-majors requirement of Rule 5. But, as I said, it’s irrelevant because a team that wants him will just claim him on waivers.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is usually true...

And I was focused on the Rule 5 aspect ’cause that was the discussion topic.

However, I think that if the A’s make a roster move re: Figueroa now he’d slip through the waiver process. I think most teams are still evaluating what they have in house and haven’t separated the wheat from the chaff.

But, I’m not eager to do anything with Figueroa at this time. There are other options more suitable for creating roster space.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with DFA

We don’t need to worry about Figueroa. Also, do you really think Meloan is worth hanging on to at this point/ will someone else give him a shot if he’s unprotected?

Also, hypothetically, if we were to sign a FA position player, if it’s an IF it’s probably bye bye to Kouz or Tolleson, and if it’s an OF its no longer to Jackson and/or Buck

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well these are the guys currently on the 40, not my opinion.

I think there are a good number of guys we don’t really need, Meloan being one of them. I also think Jackson will be off it anyways, as he probably won’t be tendered a contract.

I think position won’t really matter in order of who’s on and who’s off the 40. Kouz and Tolleson are probably safe regardless, as it’s more likely that a Souza or James is outrighted instead of those two.

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by travdog6 on Oct 16, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Souza is a likely canidate for getting outrighted

If James pitches well in the AFL I think he stays protected. He’d be cheap and have a full load of options so the A’s could bounce him between Sac and Oakland as necessary.

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by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is weird

I think Figueroa is a far better player to keep than a lot of the chaffy relief pitchers hanging around this roster. He’s about tenth on the chopping block in my book.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hes better but could probably get through because of age/injury status.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which was my point

Not that he’s untalented…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im agreeing with you

Im saying that just because he is talented doesn’t mean he won’t get through the rule 5 draft, due to age/injury

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson and Buck can and should be cut

I’d have no problems dropping Meloan, Souza, or Bonser either.

That should create enough space.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you keep Connor around at least into the spring.

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by nevermoor on Oct 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd have to be utterly insane to tender him in arbitration, so he's going to be a free agent anyway

If you insist on keeping him, sign him to a minor league deal.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 16, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We disagree

Unless, of course, there’s some fa cof help coming. In which case sure.

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by nevermoor on Oct 17, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

My list also includes

Larish, Carson and Gross.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 16, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you think we're gonna offer Gross another contract

After a stellar ’10 campaign???

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by stranahanahan on Oct 17, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

When he said his "list" I think he meant "list of players to release"

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm an idiot

I barely remember making this comment yesterday i was so tired…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 18, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

My eyes must have just glazed over those guys.

Holy crap there are a lot of bad players on this roster. I can get it down to 34 pretty easily, even assuming the A’s take the option on Ellis.

That’s enough to protect the three “locks” plus one more while signing two free agents (probably both of them outfielders). I’d take Banwart, I guess.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tagline
Athletics Nation — Holy crap there are a lot of bad players on this roster.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Oct 18, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite so far

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 18, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next year's marketing slogan?
Holy crap there are a lot of bad players on this roster.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by UncleLeo on Oct 18, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

... and Carl Crawford!

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by nevermoor on Oct 18, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahahah
Your 2011 Oakland A’s – A Lot Of Bad Players And Carl Crawford

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by mikev on Oct 18, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad players who wear green colars?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 18, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brown really does need to be protected

Sure, he’s on the older side for prospects, but if he figures it out at AAA this year, we all know he has a pretty awesome ceiling…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 16, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and it really makes a difference

that he can play CF even if not fabulously. Right now we have Coco and Rajai, and presumably the one is regular CF starter and the other is regular backup. But you still need a back-up back-up, because if one of them goes down, you can’t have only one guy on the team who plays CF at all. Who’s next in line? Sweeney?

I’m not saying Corey Brown is the only answer by any means, but he is one possible answer and we don’t have a whole lot of them around.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, and the fact that he can play CF

makes him very easy to stash as a rule 5 pick on a 25 man by having him as the late inning defensive replacement getting limited ABs until he accrues the necessary service time to get sent down.

In other words, PROTECT HIM.

by Blicks on Oct 16, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems funny to see Corey Brown as a defensive replacement in CF.

I guess maybe that could make sense on another team. But ultimately I think he turns into the sort of guy who is passable enough in CF that you start him there for his bat, but then late in the game he’s the replacee not the replacer.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Oct 16, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless the Yankees force a Pettite...

retirement…which would require them losing a game 7 in the ALCS IMO.

by SenorGato on Oct 16, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Wrong wrong wrong.
Book it.
I will literally put my entire life savings on this. Not kidding. You want to put money on this, I’m all for it…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 17, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Melky Cabrera was just released

-good defense
-plays all 3 OF spots
-weak hitter

You know Beane is calling his agent right now….

by PL78 on Oct 19, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh my...

I was going to say that he’d be a good pickup as a 4th OFer, but then I decided to check his stats before I potentially made an ass of myself.

Good thing I checked.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 19, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Reeeeealy not good.

He’ll be lucky to get a major league contract.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 19, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It also shows ATL are really going to make a run at Crawford/Werth

Is it sad that I can definitely see Melky here? Jay Payton, Emil Brown, T-Long style. Ugh. Cmon Billy make a good move for RF, not some more of the same (crap)

by PL78 on Oct 19, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Melky released means ATL is making a run at Crawford/Werth

That’s the equivalent of the A’s releasing Matt Carson and it being interpreted as “Beane’s really making a run at Crawford/Werth”

by Blicks on Oct 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

please no

!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam

by cuppingmaster on Oct 19, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another Light-Hitting Outfielder?

Please. We have enough for god’s sake. WE HAVE ENOUGH!

by Oakland All-Star on Oct 19, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

this means they are keeping Mclouth

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 19, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bummer

There goes 1 option…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 19, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

one that had the potential to be more roster dreck

I’m not too sad about it…

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by cuppingmaster on Oct 20, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

everyone has the potential to be roster dreck

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 20, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

for what kind of prospect of return

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 20, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Carson

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by mikev on Oct 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when he was going to be as good as Bernie Williams?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 19, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

The Yankee propaganda machine worked overtime on that one.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 19, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Bernie Williams is also way underrated

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 19, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was those last 4 years that killed him

But anyone who posts three 5+ WAR seasons with UZRs of -15 or worse had a bat that was damn special…

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by stranahanahan on Oct 20, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really is Bad

SLG% of .379. He has an amazing 40 home runs in 6 seasons (GASP! AMAZING!). Fairly low BA and sub-par plate discipline.
2010 Stats: 4 HR, 42 RBI in 458 AB’s, .255 Batting Average

by Oakland All-Star on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

38 more HRs than sweeney will see

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by Future Ed on Oct 19, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh,

GO/AO Ratio average: 1.25.
That ain’t real good is it?

by Oakland All-Star on Oct 19, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Random FYI

There was a fanpost a little while ago about Prop 19. I felt that it had nothing to do with the A’s and violated a CG, so I deleted it.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 20, 2010 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Now if you could only delete those &^(^%&^%ing Meg Whitman ads…

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by PaulThomas on Oct 20, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

dude

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 21, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

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