Adrian Beltre Signs with Red Sox, According to Yahoo! Sports
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 4, 2010 4:58 PM PST
235 comments
It appears like the dream defense we've all be drooling about is officially off the table. According to Tim Brown from Yahoo! Sports, Beltre has signed with the Boston Red Sox. I'm not sure exactly what the Sox are going to do with Mike Lowell now, but hey, it's baseball so the rich get richer.
The A's are looking more and more like they're going to be dependent on a completely rebuilt Eric Chavez, Jake Fox or Adrian Cardenas. Or maybe even Adam Kennedy.
0 recs |
235 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
My gut feeling is that Lowell might end up an Athletic.
I neither want it nor think it’s a good idea, but my spidey sense is tingling.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
Not even free.
They should be paid handsomely to take Lowell’s rotted ass corpse.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'd take Lowell for free
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Same
The A’s are sorely lacking in players who chronically look vaguely bewildered, irritated, and constipated.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Plus he'll bring in the Latin audience
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
like virgil, ovid, and cicero?
don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Jan 4, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ozzie Virgil, Steve Fireovid and Cicero's Pizza
In the heart of the Delmar Loop
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
FIRE OVID NOW!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
This subthread
is what keeps me coming back to AN.
he should be raised up
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
same here
I think the plan Last year was for Nomar to step in when Chavez hit the 60 day DL, then Nomar would hit the 60 day dl and chavez would be back. But with Chavez, McPhearson and Lowell, one of those 3 will be healthy at least untile may 17, then we’re foxed
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
Lowell + 4.5 million
for someone meh from AA or AAA?
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Graham Godfrey!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
No seriously, I do not want Mike Lowell associated with the team at all.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Then who?
Or is it whom?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea.
Maybe Hairston/Buck get traded. I really don’t know right now, but it’s pretty fucking strange that Coco Crisp can be offered a free agent contract when there are a shitload of outfielders on the roster already, but the goddamn black hole that is third base in Oakland can’t be pursued with a bit more vigor than going out and hoping Jake Fox or Dallas MacPherson will suddenly figure out how to play.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
The thing is...
there were multiple reports stating that the A’s pursued Beltre and Scutaro and Furcal last year and even offered more overall guaranteed money and years to each one and still wound up losing the bidding for all three. I don’t think that the problem is “they don’t realize what a huge hole they have on the left side of the infield and aren’t aggressively wooing the best available free agents for these positions”…I think they’ve actually done that on a number of occasions.
I’ve never been a huge believer in the “no one wants to play in the shithole Oakland Coliseum and live in the East Bay and that’s why we can’t sign free agents” type of mantra…that’s horeshit to me when people consider that the whole story.
But perhaps three straight losing seasons, an uncertain future as regards to the venue, a propensity for management to trade away proven players AND a shithole stadium conspire together to make it a bit tougher for the organization to compete for premium free agents even when they have the need and offer up the cash.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
The real story
is that Wolff heard that Beane offered 3/36 plus a team option for another year. Boras gave a tentative OK, but he had to check with Beltre.
Before Boras could get back to beane, Wolff pulled the plug because it didn;t fit the narrative of no free agents wanting to sign in Oakland.
One step closer to San Jose.
Link.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
if thats true I will shank someone.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Jan 4, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
no relation
just think its funny. DFA does not need to melt plastic spoons.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
You're welcome.
How did you know my name is K, though?
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 5, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Lowell for 3M was worth Max Ramirez to Texas
Broken Lowell for 7.5M? That’s worthless.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I didn't know his exact contract...
He sure makes too much money.
I do like his Freddie Mercury-esque mustache, though.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was 6
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
you're right though, not me
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Give em Miles
We want to get rid of him anyway!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jan 4, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK. THAT.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'm with you. I don't like it.
I merely fear it.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I always felt there was a resemblance.
Is it just me?
by humdinger on Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You wouldn't want Lowell as the Bat Boy?
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
sounds like when Lowell gets traded,
it won’t be reported by Peter Gammons, but by Weekly World News!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I'm curious to know what the A's top offer was
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It wouldn't surprise me if they offered more
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 4, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, just because the BoSox got him doesn't mean that BB didn't give it a good try.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Brandon Inge come on down?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Brandon Inge!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm on board.
He fits into the “all defense” team were all talking about, and he can still provide some occasional pop. He was my next choice behind Beltre.
Problem with Kouzmanoff is
he is a very valued member of the San Diego Organization, and thus would likely cost a pretty significant package to obtain. Inge on the other hand probably wouldn’t cost nearly as much in the way of prospects. The difference in performance between the two isn’t too significant, while the difference is costs to obtain them likely would be.
Not true, Padre fan here..just in case the handle didn't give it away.
Kooz could be had for a relative bargain. We need a CF and I think a straight up deal for Hairston would be enough to get it done.
I don’t know why the market has been soft for him. The guy made 3 throwing errors all year! He just does not throw the ball away. I’d take a steady fielder over the occasional webgem diving stop. Not a ton of range but his rock steady fielding more than makes up for it, IMHO. A .990 fielding percentage would fit in real nice with your current team. He comes in choppers and throws across his body as good as anyone. He’s the kind of guy no one really covets but everyone needs.
I don’t know if Beaner would trade Hairston back though. Might be tough on the pride. The arms we got were ridiculous. I’d trade Headley too. But he gets unwarranted love in the Padre organization for some reason so thats probably not happening.
Hairston for Kooz? Do Want?
I'd do Hairson for Kouz without thinking twice about it.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Then why didn't the A's do Gallagher for Kouz
when they needed a 3Bman?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Maybe the "driving up the price for Holliday" theory?
I suspect I like Hairston more than most on AN, and I’m also probably more content to make do with McPhoxez at 3B than most, but I’d still do Hairston for Kouzmanoff straight up. Seems like a win-win.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Definitely a win for the A's
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Lowell, obviously.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
What about Felipe Lopez?
He’d be worth a shot in the dark at 3B, at least he’s, like, lodged big league innings there in his career and in recent times and was okay with the bat. He’s gotta be better than Fox/McPherson.
Either Inge or Lopez would be a less miserable option than what we have.
SIGN. ADRIAN. BELTRE. NOW.
No
Felipe Lopez has had more years below 1 WAR than above 2. Terrible Idea.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Jan 4, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
I hope he takes another grounder in the balls.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
He still has two?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Know your audience
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
you forgot about the 40hr guy
Dallas McPherson…though that was in the minors I guess!
Oh, but if I catch a line drive by a girl, that’s girl-on-girl action, the twiceness is eliminated, and it just counts once - gigglingone
I'm really hoping it's not Adam Kennedy
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
Pew. Pew.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Do you have to bring religion into this?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
or hardwood, for that matter.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh. I was having such a good day
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Well knew that was coming
Not that it hurt any less. All my support is now behind Chapman. And frankly, I’m kind of scared of Chapman.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Why the Aroldyphobia?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Noooes!
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Number of games Miguel Tejada has played Third Base in the Major Leagues
ZERO
but yeah… he can totally play there.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
AK can give him advice on that...
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm guessing you never played much baseball
Anybody who has played shortstop in high school or college baseball like myself knows sliding over to 3b is not a big deal. Very commen for older shortstops to move to 3rd —
A-Rod, Rico Petrocelli, Ripken, etc. The real issue is getting him at the right price.
You're guessing wrong.
Regardless, Ripken and A-Rod weren’t nearly as good at 3B as they were at SS. Just because they can go there and play doesn’t mean they SHOULD.
There’s also the fact that he can’t hit anymore, but that’s another story.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'm actually coming around to the idea of Tejada for a year till Cardenas is ready
Somers and Zimmerman project him at -4 at SS using UZR, so he might be something like an average 3B. He’s basically an average baserunner, and CHONE projects him as an average hitter, so he’d be something like a 2 WAR 3B, and he could be the backup SS, eliminating the need for Miles. If he’d take a 1 year $5M deal or something, it’s not ridiculous.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Why bother
Just let Fox and MacPherson run out there, there’s no sense in throwing away 5M on Tejada, especially when it might be spent on Chapman instead.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Right. Chapman trumps everyone else at this point.
I’m just terrified at the idea of Fox at 3B.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but WGAS about 3B this year.
Fuck it, maybe Fox can sorta hack it. Maybe MacPherson can. Doesn’t really matter if Cardenas is slated for 2011 anyway.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Vince Mazzaro, Brad Ziegler, Brad Kilby,
Craig Breslow and Jerry Blevins all hate you right now
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Then trade for Kouzmanoff.
or Inge.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'm thinking Demel and Brett Hunter for Inge
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Davis for Kouzmanoff
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
That's a fair deal, so I don't like it
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
I like it because I think Davis is a flash in the pan
and redundant and not really a part of the long term A’s team anyway
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
If you think he can hit .270/.329/.375 like CHONE
does, and believe his UZR at around +5 in CF and Dan Fox that he’s a +7 or so non-SB/CS baserunner, then he’s a 2.7 WAR player that’s very cheap and under control for 4 more years. If he can replicate what he did in the 2nd half of 2009, he’s an all-star.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he can.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Was his 2007 also a fluke?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well the last time Beltre got on base
1/3 of the time was 6 years ago.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Of course he made up for it by slugging .450
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Ah yes, remember Jay-Z's "Roc Boys"
and Rihanna’s “Umbrella” topped the charts and George W Bush was president. General Motors, Lehman Brothers and AIG all existed. The Boston Red Sox, AC Milan and New York Giants reigned supreme.
(eyes mist)
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
If we throw in Mazzaro, can we get Headley instead?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Too Jewish
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
That would be AWESOME!
Oh, I missed the “ley” — sorry.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Don't you think Beane has Netflix?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Wha...that's it?!
We could have offered better. Actually, I bet we did.
Falling from grace, cause I've been away too long
Leaving you behind with my lonesome song
Now I'm lost in oblivion.
Sux offered him a chance to rack up good offensive numbers
in a park with a left field wall that a right handed hitter can practically touch, plus a team that’s built for the postseason in 2010, plus a chance to opt out after 2010 and cash in on a perhaps better payday.
Yep exactly
We probably had no chance from the start.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Plus, a team that gives him the chance to be on ESPN every day
This is good for the paychecks down the road, I feel
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
CONSARNIT!
Boston picked up Beltre on the cheap ($9mil/1year + $1mil buy out)
P.S……. With no Beltre, McPhoxez is go!
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
The worst thing about this
If Beltre is somehow hated in Boston yet plays well, we are going to get him on a 2-3 year deal NEXT year after our current options show how miserable it is not having a good 3B who can play defense.
Beane can always trade for Kouzmanoff too I guess, I’d let any of our CF surplus go for him. Would be hilarious if we traded Crisp+Hairston for him.
SIGN. ADRIAN. BELTRE. NOW.
I think I'd rather have Kouz than I would Inge.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Yes but the Padres would too. So he'd be more expensive.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I agree 100%
Kouz is going to cost us players though, something Beltre wouldnt :(
Luckily Crisp, Hairston, Buck and Cunningham have no future with us, any 2 (or shit, even 3) of them for Kouz is a trade I’d make without batting an eyelid, Taylor is going to need LF anyway.
Crisp has a future with us for at least 6 months.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You can't trade a FA for 6 months
(unless he gives express permission).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Is that faster and more expensive than regular permission?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
do you mean express written consent of major league baseball?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
yeah... no takebacks!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
So you are assuming
Crisp would rather be here than SD? So he has friends here and supposedly is a Raider fan. Do you think he’d rather be in this old crusty pitcher’s park and rathole clubhouse than in the sun soaked brand new Petco? Both losing teams, so what’s the diff? I bet he’d express his consent real quickly.
I miss Eric Plunk
Wasn't he courted by both the A's and Padres... and signed here anyway?
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
He was a FA
so if SD wanted crisp they would have offered!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jan 4, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention the Padres could have had him without giving up players if they really
wanted him.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, we've been in meetings.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I like Sweeney, but i'd rather have
Davis and Kouz, than Sweeney and Kouz
Quick, someone make Jessse the Padres GM!
I kid, I kid.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Secret tip:
If you want to keep it, take Sweeney over Raj. {Shhhhh}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Here!
Still don’t have full faith in the guy, but I love his progress.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
Dude, those sound like two slang terms for,
um, nevermind.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
you're just saying what we're all thinking
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
So we all agree with Mike's third-base philosophy?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Hawt.
Can’t I have both?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
or Wash in between
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm hoping Cardenas takes over in 2011
They can either keep Ellis at 2B or sign someone cheap for a year till Weeks or Green is ready.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
This news makes me feel like I've been smacked in the balls.
Or like someone has been, anyway.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
or just one ball.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
E7
Oh, wait, wrong guy.
Falling from grace, cause I've been away too long
Leaving you behind with my lonesome song
Now I'm lost in oblivion.
I'd sure like to know how much the A's offered Beltre
because it sure doesn’t look the Red Sox gave him much. I’m starting to wonder if any player that has options to play elsewhere will come to Oakland.
I am sure we will do better
when we have a new ballpark
Cannot happen soon enough for me and for the sake of the team.
If the money is even close, you gotta go with the more competitive team. Plus, Beltre’s offensive numbers will look a lot better in Boston. It’s a no brainer if I’m Beltre.
Well the A's would have been competitive if Scutaro and Beltre had signed here.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Coco Crisp!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
He must really hate San Diego for some reason. I'm not sure why.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
better placement
on store shelves in the outfield
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Jan 4, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh well.
He didn’t want to play for the A’s anyway, which is quite the recurring theme with free agents. Nobody wants to play for a loser (unless you used to play for the Royals, I guess).
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Or the Red Sox
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hrrumph...
We’re not losers, we’re rebuilding. The As will rule in a year or two. But even winning in Oakland won’t bring out folks who have East Coast big money options, right?
The A's not signing Beltre is not the end of the world
and I was not even all that excited about him becoming an Athletic anyway. I think many of you have a pretty good reasoning about why Beltre didn’t come to Oakland and why should you be surprised? This has happened before and you know what? Fuck it!
I know Billy Beane is trying to make something happen and if guys don’t wan to come here as FA’s, even if they are possibly offered more money here than from some other competing suitor, then fuck them!
I’m an A’s fan and I am not about to start crying in my soup bowl because some asshole decided that he didn’t want to come and play baseball for the Oakland Athletics. Nothing personal on Beltre, he’s probably an alright dude, but nothing lost either, in my opinion. It’s just business…….
Time to move on to the next order of business….
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Regardless of whether or not we had signed Beltre...
I am hoping that BB finds a way to match up with KW on a trade that nets us Brent Morel. If Juan Pierre fails to produce in a full time role, the White Sox don’t have much in the way of internal options who could fill the void. Assuming Raj. Davis continues to be a valuable player- he would probably be someone that KW would covet as a speedy CF’er who can bat leadoff.
Cardenas would still be our number one internal option. However, Morel would represent a strong plan B- in the event Cardenas can’t cut it at 3B or he is needed to play 2B if Weeks busts. Morel seems like a player with a relatively high floor whose ceiling may be higher than most people realize.
Morel’s Stats:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543569
by casualinquisition on Jan 4, 2010 6:37 PM PST reply actions
Davis is too much to give up for Brent Morel.
Maybe Corey Brown.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not suggesting Davis for Morel straight up...
obviously, if Davis continues to be a valuable CF’er then the White Sox would have to kick in other players. But Davis is someone that you could see KW asking for, and I am sure, in that situation, BB would require Morel in return.
by casualinquisition on Jan 4, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Who else would we get?
Unless it’s Dan Hudson or Jared Mitchell, I’m having trouble seeing a match.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Depending on how much, if at all, Davis regresses....
You could throw Tyler Flowers into the conversation… Santos Rodriguez is an interesting name as a high upside pitcher who could see his stock increase significantly by mid-season next year- which is probably when a trade such as this would occur. Trayce Thompson is another player who may not look overly special now but whose stock may rise significantly by midseason.
The White Sox system strikes me as one that could look significantly different come mid-season due to the fact that they have various high ceiling prospects- Juan Silverio- who have high ceilings but either are too young or have not yet tapped into their potential.
by casualinquisition on Jan 4, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
I Doubt Hudson would be included in any conversation for Davis...
even if he continued to produce like he did in the second half. I could be wrong, but Hudson is turning into a stud and BB would jump at the opportunity to make a Davis for Hudson trade straight up.
Jared Mitchell seems like the type of player that KW would value more than BB would- so BB would likely focus on other names in order to maximize the potential return.
by casualinquisition on Jan 4, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ah...if we're talking midseason, then that changes things.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Also I like Mitchell more than any of them, so I'd want him.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but the thing is....
KW probably likes Mitchell more than any of the other prospects. so, if it was Davis for Mitchell or Davis for Flowers and Morel… I would take the Flowers/Morel package.
by casualinquisition on Jan 4, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Morel & More!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
how do you like it, how do you like it
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
And they said porn stars couldn't sing
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Tracie Lords says hi
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Hi Tracie
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
She was just passing by
I’m as surprised as anyone
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Does she sing?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Paris Hilton has a CD
"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)
by Player To Be Named Later on Jan 4, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
A controlled disease?
Oh! You meant a compact disc, right?
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Actually I'd trade Hairston for Morel and Jordan Danks or someone like that.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I so much prefer Corey Brown to Rajai Davis
I wouldn’t trade either of them for Morel, but…
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
How can Juan Pierre
fail to fail to produce is a better question
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
He failed to fail last year for the Dodgers
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
What is with this weird fantasizing about a guy who's like the 20th best prospect at his position in the minors?
Despite his fungal nomenclature, he’s not even a B- prospect. I’m not sure he’s even a C+. As far as I can tell, he’s just a slightly-closer-to-the-majors version of Michael Spina or Steven Parker.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
1 year makes more sense to him than 2
next year he is the only FA 3b worth a damn. So since he will rebound this year, he likely will cash in. Like Oakland Si says with that stoopid wall he might be able to up his counting stats t make dumb GMs think he is even more valuable.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
I think all GMs understand park-adjusted stats.
Many fans may not, and ESPN may not, but GMs? C’mon.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, I agree
but there is the sell it to the guy who is writing the checks phase of the negotiation.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
Though IMO
There is a disputed area. Though everyone knows Colorado inflates stats, a GM (I’m not mentioning any specific GM) might have overvalued Holliday last year…..There is gray area to how much a park can or can’t add to statistics. I read once that the coliseums foul territory costs a hitter 7 points on their batting average but there’s still a grain of salt that needs to be swallowed.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jan 4, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't the short-money deal for Beltre sound odd?
Was Beltre caught between a low-money, multiple year deal with the A’s and a short-term deal with Boston? Maybe Beltre has other issues, or Beane really feels the in-house options are better in the near-term, or maybe there’s a deal out there that couldn’t be made because of the Beltre availability. I think it’s pretty risky for a player, with a limited productive period, to assume the economy will be any better next year, or that he will escape injury, or whatever. Think of all the one-year free-agent deals last year. Have those players profited to any great extent? This deal for Beltre is perplexing, but I am relieved he is not the A’s problem. I also hope the A’s pass on Mr. Chapman.
"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." - Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi
I don't think the deal sounds odd
He is going to be the best free agent 3rd baser next year too. I think the shoulder really sapped his strength last year and most doubts about his hitting ability (whatever you may thinnk of his walk rate) will be allayed .
He was looking for four years, but nobody was biting. this way, if he rebounds and has a good year with the bat, he likely will get the 25 extar million he was looking for this winter.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
it's a chance
He’ll be a year older next year, and his assumption is that he is going to tear it up. AND even if he does, some teams might be reticent because he’ll have done so in a hitter friendly park
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Jan 4, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
He was apparently offered both a 3 year deal and a 4 year deal
which he turned down.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
GDI!
Just when i was contemplating on writing a post of how “Beltre” completes us…the EE(2) strikes again…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
Also, apropos of a previous post
Adrian Beltre is no longer welcome to free use and possesion of one of my testicles.
Suck it, Beltre!
Or rather, don’t.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
You mean he has to pay now?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
the balls are in my court, as twer
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Why must I keep hearing about
Adam Kennedy coming back to the A’s next season? He was not very good and will, in all likelihood, regress next year. Get over it people…please.
So beltre turned down other offers
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/i ndex.php/2010/01/04/beltre-turned-down-more-money- to-play-for-sox/
The deal was agreed to in principle on New Year’s Eve and finalized on Sunday night. Beltre turned down more money from at least two teams – he had a four-year offer early in free agency and then a three-year deal for roughly the same annual value as the deal the Red Sox offered – but he chose Boston with an eye on having a big year for a contender and then hitting the market again next year.
depressing.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Jan 4, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Process of elimination
A’s was the only known other offer from a team. With some outside interest with angels, orioles too. A’s pulled their offer today, so estimating it couldve been 3yr/$27million.. So A’s offered higher contracts in terms of years and total money to both scutaro and beltre, both opted for Boston. Cant really blame their decision, but it is frustrating to see. Throw in Jamey Caroll, who also opted for a bit less money from Dodgers.
Don't care about Jamey Carroll
or Scutaro really.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Reports are
The A’s pulled their offer. Other words Boras was most likely trying to use the A’s in a bidding war and Beane said screw this. Beltre was never much of a team player. It will be good that we didn’t sign him since I don;’t see him as a difference maker for the team. More money now to sign that cuban kid.
More than likely the cuban kid isnt signing here either
The A’s only sign the sick, old, or injured: piazza, thomas, embree, springer, giambi, crisp, loaiza and many others
"Beltre was never much of a team player."
lol wut
Because he wanted a chance to rebuild value hitting in a +++hitters park on a genuine contending team? He’s a team player, just not on our team.
Better link
link.
(The button that looks like a piece of chain does this.)
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
So our next 3B target............
Felipe Lopez.
Will he come back to the AL?
After that a 38 year old Melvin Mora – DO NOT WANT
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Can we just start a Mora and Miggy fanboy thread
and leave all the idiots who want those old coots to their own business in there? I think it would be a great idea…
Yeah
Miggy is another DO NOT WANT
For me it’s either reasonably priced Felipe Lopez or McPhoxez.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
How is Lopez any better than Tejada?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
6 years younger.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Good.
I didnt want him to begin with. Go with the young guys.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
So Cardenas on Opening Day?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Chavez on Opening Day.
Fox on April 5.
McPherson on April 12.
Fox on April 24.
McPherson on May 7.
Chavez on May 17.
McPherson on May 18.
Fox on May 26.
Cardenas on June 7.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
by iglew on Jan 4, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
one start for Chavez all year
Sounds about right…
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Jan 5, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, I was predicting a full series
to start the season. Then one game in May to attempt a comeback.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
bummer
I was actually warming to the idea of Beltre, and it would’ve been ideal to get him at the same that Boston apparently has – that would’ve been the win/win. No long term baggage; an opportunity for him to rebound, become a Type A / B FA after the first year, or get traded to contender.
I am tired of hearing that we make a higher offer and don’t get the guy, though if true, I’m glad we pulled the offer after it looked like we were being played by Boras. 3rd Base last year wasn’t great…but really, a lack of offense was the killer, and Beltre wasn’t really going to solve that. Maybe Fox / McPherson hit really well, and field like Adam Kennedy…that wouldn’t be so bad if they start crushing the ball…
And, I do like the idea of Chapman, so if this free’s up some loot to up the offer (but not overpay), I’d like to see that happen.
Kouz wouldn’t be so bad either, though I don’t know about his fielding (how old is he?)
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
Kouzmanoff is 28
According to UZR he was a so-so defender before 2009 when he apparently became a really solid third baseman. He also owns a .308 career OBP and is playing in National League. I don’t think we should waste resources on this guy when it’s not even clear if he can outplay McPhoxez. If we are looking for a third baseman from San Diego, I’d suggest Chase Headley. Also, I wouldn’t mind Callaspo talks being revived.
You just used unadjusted career OBP for a player who plays in Petco Park.
[loud annoying buzzer noise]
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
where is Chavez?
I have this need for him to come out and make his annual “I will play 150 games at third” speech, if only to make me feel the annual false sense of security.
I really didn’t want Beltre anyway, despite the defensive prowess I feel his stick was always HGH-embellished and thus he’ll never approach his steroid-era numbers, even in Fenway now, and will prove too expensive. And I do not want Tejada back to play third, maybe SS if I smoke enough crack to suspend my disbelief that his MVP performances weren’t just as juice-inflated as Beltre’s pre-‘05 career… but not third, Christ I don’t wanna see Cahill weep openly as yet another inning-ending DP goes through the sticky wickets.
Those sticky Dominican Miggy Caminiti wickets, gosh I can’t believe how alliterative one can be at 5 am, without even the aid of dangerous drugs. Speaking of dangerous drugs, does anyone else worry all the time that in 10 years many or all the ’roid revolution players will tragically die from the long-term effects of what they put in their bodies and the as-yet-unknown impact a lot of the “designer” substances might someday have? I admit I worry that lots of these guys will pass before 50, dunno how healthy that is to worry like that but it just seems like a tragedy waiting to come to an awful fruition somewhere down the line, ugh. I hope it never happens but if it does you can be sure of one thing: that Bud Selig will make sure they build a statue of him for presiding over it all.
Anyway, third base third base third base, WTF OMG LOL BBQ. I just don’t know, where the heck is Chavy with the annual January “I am so healthy right now I could play third for a whole week of doubleheaders and then fight on American Gladiators on the morning of the 8th day” speech? Or is it really this beastly awful shambles where he plays until his limbs fall off (translation: 3.2 innings of the first game) and then it’s McPhoxy Lady, a sweet little heartbreaker if you are our young pitchers trying to get out of a jam that doesn’t involve burning your guitar at the end, yikes.
Or is it Inge? Lowell? Lopez? Kouzma Kevinoff? Brooks Robinson? I admit that if I were the A’s I’d think about yellow police tape around third base, it could get to be quite a crime scene over there if this goes on, grrr..
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
this is from December 15, 2009
According to Slusser
Forst said that Eric Chavez has no pain in his twice-repaired back and he is expected to start throwing at the beginning of January. The A’s were very happy with the report on Chavez.
where's Susan?
We need her to come on and let us know if she indeed spit up whatever beverage she may have been sipping on when David Forst said that [[wipes Jones "M.F. Grape" soda off monitor]]
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Jan 5, 2010 5:38 AM PST up reply actions
I know the answer
It’s so obvious…. tarp over third base!!!!
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Jan 5, 2010 5:41 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
But then our revenue sharing checks will be smaller
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Jan 5, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
O/T: SlegnA lose their TV announcer
Rory Markas died in his sleep apparently.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4798055
Oh no, that's terrible!
too much death happening lately. Sorry for their loss down south…
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
