AN Exclusive: A Frank Assessment Of Eric Sogard
Noah Frank is the new Media Relations Director for the Fresno Grizzlies. He happens to know Eric Sogard, the infielder the A's recently acquired along with Kevin Kouzmanoff, very well. As he offers the most detailed and comprehensive report I've seen so far, I think I can safely say you're going to like what you hear...
"So Gard, So Good" (Headline by Nico, the rest by Noah)
It is understandable, given the sudden flurry of off-season activity involving the Green and Gold, if some of you have not had time to fully explore the details of each and every happening. I am writing today to make sure that one little nugget didn't slip past you.
Whatever your reaction to the Kevin Kouzmanoff trade might have been, I am here to make its projection a little rosier in your mind. When I first heard about the deal, I wasn't exactly jumping for joy. I wasn't thrilled to have given up three players to get Scott Hairston, only to flip him back along with Cunningham for a less-than-spectacular third baseman. I felt like the maybe Oakland hadn't gotten great value out of the deal, a rarity in the Beane era. But the next day, when I ascertained the name of the mystery minor leaguer also coming to Oakland, I finally understood.
You see, that minor leaguer is second baseman Eric Sogard, a name you might as well file in your mental Rolodex right now. I got to see Eric play a full season in the Texas League last year. I saw him play through a couple minor but nagging injuries (groin pull, bruised hand after HBP) that kept him from having quite the season he was capable of putting together. That being said, he still finished the year at .293/.370/.400, with 25 doubles, playing in perhaps the worst hitting park in all of professional baseball. To give you some perspective, the year before he led the hitter-friendly California League with 42 doubles.
The numbers that really define Sogard as a hitter, though, were his 58 walks compared to only 47 strikeouts. Countless scouts, visiting broadcasters, beat writers and fans would remark about his patience at the plate. I can say that, after three seasons in professional baseball, he is the most disciplined hitter I have ever seen. I wish we had access to the pitches/at-bat metrics that they keep in the Majors (and internally in the Minors), because I flat out guarantee you that he led the Texas League last year in that category. It isn't just that he takes bad or borderline pitches; it's his ability to recognize those pitches so early in their flight to the plate that separates him from other hitters. He'll see a pitch coming in three inches off the plate and never flinch at it.
When he gets to two strikes and has to defend the plate, he'll swat borderline pitches away time and again, working deeper and deeper into the at-bat. He is truly a joy to watch hit, so I was not at all surprised to see Beane, in the MLB.com article about the trade, say that Eric was "a guy that we wanted to draft (out of Arizona State), and since he's signed, he hasn't disappointed."
Besides the great eye at the plate, Sogard fits the Beane mold in almost every other way as well. He doesn't look like a ballplayer at first glance, and is often underestimated as a result. Our home clubhouse manager in San Antonio would post photos of celebrities that he thought looked like each players above their lockers as a joke, something to keep the mood light as players came and went throughout the year. He put two photos above Eric's locker to best describe his physical appearance: John Denver and Harry Potter.
But much like other overlooked players, Sogard has the kind of work ethic you simply can't teach. He is always striving to improve his game, going about his business with an understated confidence. Now, there is one main knock on the 23-year-old at this point in his career: his range. Every scout who asked me about him claimed he heard from someone else that Sogard's defense was suspect. Luckily, I had the benefit of watching him all season, and I know that this is a gross generalization. While he does not have the greatest natural range, he puts a glove on anything he gets to and makes good decisions in the field.
He is also working this off-season specifically to improve his agility and make himself a more complete player. That's just the way he approaches the game. However, lest you think he takes himself too seriously, get this -- he actually dressed as Harry Potter for Halloween this year.
How do I know this last part, you may wonder. Well, Eric is one of the few members of the team with whom I am still in contact. I had lunch with him in Tempe about six weeks ago as I drove from Texas to California. While I am not one to put a huge amount of stock into the importance of clubhouse personalities when it comes to clubhouse chemistry, I can say without hesitation that any team would benefit from having someone like Sogard around. He sets an example of how to succeed as a professional ballplayer.
While I am excited to see him in the A's system, I hope he doesn't wear my poor Grizzlies' pitching staff out too much this year while he's in Sacramento. He's a prototypical #2 hitter, a lefty that can place the ball, hit-and-run, hit with two strikes and bunt for a sacrifice or basehit. It's hard to predict where he fits into the A's future plans in the middle infield, but there will always be room for a guy with Sogard's tools somewhere. It would not surprise me if, as we have seen in so many past Beane trades, Sogard turns out to be the real prize in the deal.
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that's quite a glowing report
but…John Denver and Harry Potter? Does he wear glasses? Vision problems aren’t normally associated with being able to recognize pitches so early in their flight…
Reggie Jackson wore glasses
"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."
by OptimistPrime on Jan 30, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
a nerd who wears glasses
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I thought pitchers don't give free passes to nerds who wear glasses
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
hence he is the all time leader in strikeouts
although i think might catch him this year
HILLIS...where are you???
He does wear glasses. At least in some pictures I've seen.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Too personally involved for unbiased opinion
Sounds like a good kid. When you like someone you are more likely to overlook their shortcomings.
he does wear glasses
wouldn’t think that is a problem though
I didn't say it was a problem
but being able to recognize a pitch long before most batters is usually something that is associated with a player who has better than “normal” uncorrected vision. That’s what seemed a bit unusual to me.
Reminds me an awful lot of . . . .
. . . .another second baseman who has proven out.
"Life without geometry has no point"
Except Ellis is (or at least was) a great defensive player
Sogard is not.
This is a nice writeup and all, but I really just don’t see how Sogard is a legitimate prospect.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
If you feel "super-utility INF" (e.g., Scutaro, Figgins)
is a legitimate position then he could be. As an “everyday 2Bman,” maybe not.
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Range
Has he had pt at ss?
When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk
by Charlie O the Mule on Jan 30, 2010 8:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think so.
If his range is an “unstrength” at 2B then I doubt SS is any sort of an option.
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Doubleplus....
….ungood.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jan 30, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Except I tend to believe the scouting reports that say if it's hit right at him, he'll catch it
And he doesn’t have the arm for third.
So I really don’t see where in the infield he can play at a level that will justify what I see as a really poor bat. You know I love walks, but they kinda have to come with something. I’m not buying his big doubles totals as a sign of anything in particular to come.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, but yes, I do think "super-utility" in the Mark DeRosa mold IS a legitimate position
And a valuable player, if not a superstar. I just don’t think Sogard is versatile enough for that.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
All of which could legitimately have been said about Eckstein,
and he put together a very solid career. I do think Sogard could “surprise” his way into a batting line one wouldn’t easily predict, such as .280/.370/.390, with “makes the most of not the greatest tools” average defense. That would be useful.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Really?
Ellis has fairly weak plate discipline which he makes up for with, as noted, great defense (and also above-average power for a middle infielder).
Other than being white and “gritty” (a bit redundant, eh?) I see very little to suggest the two are similar at all.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
This.
Even if one likes Sogard as a prospect, Ellis is a bad comp.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I think Eckstein, while not a perfect comp, is a better one.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Perhaps
And that alone makes me hope Sogard joins the priesthood tomorrow.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
exactly
After reading the post I thought of another Eckstein which would be good. A guy that knows who to get on base and be a pain.
If Eckstein knows how to get on base so well
He really should’ve done it a lot more often.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I think you're underrating Eckstein's overall career
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A couple pretty good years and the rest was very meh
Mostly, he’s just not good enough at the things he does well, and has too many other holes, and I hate “Gritty” nonsense.
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by thejd44 on Jan 30, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know --
He’s had 6 seasons with OBP of .350+, he’s a career .282/.348 batter, prior to turning 30 he had 4 consecutive seasons of 16-29 SB (with a 75% success rate).
I’m not making the case that he’s a great player, just that he’s had a long and pretty successful career that if Sogard would duplicate it would mean Sogard succeeded in the bigs and was a really nice pickup in this trade.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I see a guy who had 2 awesome years
Then no other years that were even league average. It’s possible he would’ve had more value as a player if he wasn’t playing out of position for most of his career, but then his Kendall-like power would’ve exposed him a little more at another spot.
His career OBP is about the only thing that made him not a useless player. But he was still mostly below average or worse.
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by thejd44 on Jan 31, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
What's wrong with league average?
Eckstein has two great years plus four more years at ~1.5 WAR. That’s still a good career.
Eckstein gets grief for the same reason Jeter does: because the bozo media fawns over him too much. As a result places like Fire Joe Morgan spend a lot of time ridiculing the hype, but then FJM fans go to far the opposite direction and start thinking he’s actually a bad player, when he’s not.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Exactly.
He hasn’t been great, but he’s been good. To get a good player who has a 10 year major league career as your “throw in” would be terrific.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well, I'd call it a six-year career
plus four years of barely getting by. But on the conclusion, yeah.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
He's got Moxie, and I usually hate Moxie.
A few reasons we like Eckstein.
2009 batting with runners on:
.340/.387/,448/0.835
2009 fielding percentage:
.996
Good clubhouse influence with young players, Good guy in general. 1 million dollar price tag.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
Interesting that an A's employee has describes Kouzmanov as a
less-than-spectacular third baseman
I mean, clearly, he’s just voicing his own opinion of how a trade went (I’m sure minor league employees must build up some sort of attachments to their players, and it’s natural to want to watch them succeed for their organization), but yeah, it was more candid than I’d expected.
Not that that is a criticism, or anything like that.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
He's not an A's employee
He’s a Fresno Grizzlies employee. (Since he’s not in player ops, he’s actually an employee of the minor league team, not provided under the player development contract.)
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Correct. He's also been with the San Antonio Missions
and the Cubs organization, never with the A’s.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
oh yeah, true, that makes sense
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
No, Grizzlies employee to be exact
Just because someone works for a minor league team doesn’t mean they’re directly part of the parent club. He’s Fresno’s new media relations guy and that has little to nothing to do with the Giants aside from perhaps coordinating a few things with them that have to do with player availability, people moving up and down and so on. But he’s on Fresno’s payroll and a large sum of what minor league teams do is based on their own efforts without much parent club involvement aside from the affiliation and players on the 40-man roster that are there at the time.
At least, that’s how I understand it from my experiences around the minors so far.
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And yes- the Grizzlies aren't even part of the A's system
what was I thinking this morning? Nothing coherent, that’s for sure.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
And don't forget to use the new TPS coversheets, okay?
I don’t know if you heard but he’s not an A’s employee, Yeah, he’s a member of the Grizzlies so that makes him a Giant. Also, don’t forget to use the new coversheets okay? It’s just that were trying to get everyone onboard so if you could do that it would be greeeeeeeeat.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
Going to play with Sacramento eh?
Cardenas is going to be playing there unless moved to 3B; Chen is also at 2B. Hope Sogard continues to improve and make him way up the ladder.
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Hey, he may be slightly biased....
but on the other hand, he’s had the benefit of actually seeing the kid play. Apparently, Sogard makes the most of the talent he’s been dealt and left a lasting impression. Any friendship aside, that counts for something. I’ll crank up my expectations meter a tad and take a wait and see approach.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
A's sign another 2b
translated from google
Jorge Arangure ESPN Spanish Blog:
“The list of players figure description is 5 feet 8 inches tall (although it is probably closer to 5’7”), Peñaló had been ignored by most scouts even though he had been eligible to sign from the July 2. The prospects with the stature of Peñaló usually not too much excitement among the assembled scouts. Anyway, that changed almost immediately once Peñaló began playing in the league. With a league record with .391 average, Peñaló was elected last Saturday for the All-Star. In front of at least 40 scouts, Peñaló excelled with his skills when he also ran 60 yards in 6.4 seconds. In his first at-bat, Peñaló showed his speed once more to reach the base after a touch.
Almost immediately after the game, Peñaló attracted interest from a few teams. The Oakland Athletics acted immediately and agreed to terms with penalties for a bonus of $ 50,000. If Peñaló had not played in the league probably would not sign prospectuses for more than $ 10,000
“By having that speed and that speed is a player that you can risk,” said an executive from a team that was interested in Peñaló. “I think that emerges more as a second baseman, but has a good arm.‘s A guy who looks like Dustin Pedroia. I’m not saying it will be as good as Pedroia, but has some of his skills.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4868934&name=arangure_jorge_jr&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index%3fentryID%3d4868934%26name%3darangure_jorge_jr
Doesn't sound too bad to me.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
So are you saying we are going to have Cardenas, Weeks, Sogard & Penalo?
Um, we can only have one 2B guys.
with prospects you don't know who will actually succeed in the majors
so it doesn’t hurt to have several
There's always room for a sub or utility role guy.
Plus, even with the extremely unlikely chance that all four pan out, that’s just more depth to trade.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
Maybe one of those 4 will become league average everyday players...
And not only are 3 (or all) of them likely to fail… people at other positions are also likely to fail and Weeks can maybe play CF, Cardenas can maybe play 3rd, and perhaps the others can play other positions.
And of course if all do pan out… which is very unlikely… that’s a GOOD problem to have.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
We just signed this guy for an amount equivalent to what Sheets is going to earn for throwing about 2 innings
Even if he ends up flaming out, it’s hard to see a downside.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
"By having that speed and that speed is a player that you can risk."
How true that is. How true that is.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Here's a better link
to the story in Spanish. The Peñaló part is after the subhead.
The league mentioned in the translated part above is the Dominican League. “That speed and that speed” is “esa rapidez y esa velocidad”.
If I’m reading the Spanish correctly, the kid is only 17 years old, so I don’t think he’s going to be in any logjam with Cardenas, Weeks and Sogard.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
rapidez is more... quickness?
so, ‘having a quickness and speed, he’s a player you can take a flyer on’, loosely.
I’m not sure what the difference between quickness and speed is in english, but it does sound like something a scout would say?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
OT: Just finished watching the 92 NLCS on MLBN
Great game. Forgot how crazy that game was, and how improbable the comeback. Leyland kept Drabek in the game about 20 pitches after his arm turned into pudding, IMO.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
I can't form a very intelligent opinion about Sogard
but I still have enough respect for Beane that I think it’s entirely possible he’ll be better than most people think. It’s hard to go back in time, but I bet if you asked both the statheads and the scouts about Mark Ellis when he was acquired, they’d both have said, “Who cares?”
NOTE: I’m not comparing them as players; they’re not good comps, as noted. My comparison is only about noticing value where it isn’t necessarily apparent.
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