2010 Pecota Projections!!!
Pecota Projections are upon us http://baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/. To my surprise our white cleated beauties are projected as front runners in the AL West finishing with a record of 87-75, one game ahead of the Seamen (86-76). The A’s are projected to have the third lowest runs scored (737) and the second lowest runs allowed (737) in the AL. The teams triple slash line is projected to be .263/.342/.418. Other notable projections have the Angels in last (76-86), the Yankees in third (93-69) and my personal favorite the Giants (81-81) finishing third in the NL West.
Interpret these projections how you like. Of course there are a variety of things that could happen to any team to change the course of their season, especially the A’s (Sheets, Duke).
With the standard deviation in these projections to be around 9 (not positive), the A’s have a solid chance to be an above .500 team.
Do you think the A’s can make a run at the division this year? Will Beane ship players at the deadline or go for a playoff birth?
Analyze, criticize, and argue
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meh
They had the A’s winning the West last season too.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
Wait...what?
Didn’t we?
"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."
by OptimistPrime on Jan 28, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah well it's hard to predict Giambi to bat .196,
Holliday to not be Holliday, and Cabrera to be Bobby Crosby.
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
actually i'm pretty sure BP fiddled with it after it was initially released, and had the angels first with the a's dropping to second
i don’t have a link and i could be wrong, but i don’t think i am.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Actually it was their initial take in February
That had the Angels over the A’s, 84 wins to 82. But the final, season-opening Pecota had the A’s up, 84 to 81 (and Seattle 77, Rangers 70).
Pecota didn’t quite nail that one.
Well the A's did do that ''lets fall apart again' routine.
Injuries have severely effected the A’s performance the past 2-3 years so that has to be taken in to account as well.
It also didn’t help that the A’s didn’t start playing baseball until the 2nd half.
Also an appropriate response.
I’d be lying if I said we didn’t get a good chuckle here as well.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Ugh, I take that back
They really are nerd raging over there. They are even linking year old posts by PT and Devo to prove some stupid point.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
It's HH
If they aren’t in a rage over some grievous slighting of their precious Halos, they aren’t posting.
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by walk off bunt on Jan 29, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
.500?
If the A’s give up and score the same number of runs, shouldn’t that mean a .500 record?
The A’s are projected to have the third lowest runs scored (737) and the second lowest runs allowed (737) in the AL.
On the A's bandwagon since 1986...
It's a typo.
The page has us scoring 791.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
You're sure it's not 91?
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The Big League Stew also reports on the PECOTA standings
And boy, the AL East looks like it could be a fun race to watch!
On the A's bandwagon since 1986...
The projections seem overly optimistic
They are projecting A’s pitchers to have ridiculously low BABIPs. Yes, they should have a good defense. Yes, the stadium suppresses BABIP. Still, there is no way someone like Trevor Cahill should ever project to have a .261 BABIP.
BP usually fiddles with their Depth Chart projections for awhile after first posting them, and I’m guessing this will be fixed. Some of it is due to their poor defensive numbers (Cust -1 in RF, Fox +8 at 1B), but some of it seems like a calculation error.
Two outliers, but the other divisions look about right
A friend of mine spotted the A’s at 87 wins, Angels at 76, and Nationals (!) at 82.
To which i replied that the other divisions, with the possible exception of Colorado being undersold, look about right. Knowing that there will be surprised of course.
Since the Angels are perpetually undersold in these projections, I’ll stand with my post-Sheets take that the AL West could in fact be a legit 4 team race.
But in 2011 it’s gonna be Oakland and Texas well ahead of the pack.
If the A's finish 5 games better than the Twins I'll eat my hat.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Quick, someone get this guy...
A free hat!

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Predictions
They just really look goofy. The only three teams with at least 90 wins are in the American League East. The Angels, at 76-86, are only better than the Blue Jays and Royals in the American League. Six teams in the National League last year had at least 88 wins. According to these predictions, it’ll only be two in 2010. Is there something that I’m not getting?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 28, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions
That projection systems are always about 50th percentile scenarios.
Is it probably that an AL team will win 100 games or more like New York did last year? There’s a reasonably good chance of such. Is it like that one of the top 3 AL East teams will win less than 90? That’s also reasonably likely, but as a preseason projection, projecting any individual team means putting it’s performance at the median scenario. That tends to regress projections closer towards .500.
I respect PECOTA a good bit...
Its overly conservative, and its maybe not the best forecasting system out there.
BUT
It was one of the major pioneers, its still very reputable, they have some true genius on their staff.
And HELL, they are telling me what I want to hear!
…people are asking what does the Sheets Signing mean, IT MEANS BEANE is in cahoots with BP!
I miss Chad God
These look like totally reasonable projections.
Really.
(cough)
No, really.
(grimace)
Okay, no these are ridiculous.
These look like totally reasonable projections.
And I’m not being sarcastic.
I don’t subscribe to BP, so I’ll be theorizing a bit on what they’re actually saying. Anyone who does subscribe can feel free to correct me where I err.
First, Oakland’s pythagorean record last year was .500. They score 759 runs and allowed 761. Second and third-order win totals are similar, putting us at 79 and 82 wins, respectively. Let’s go with the median and say that what we put out there in 2009 was basically a .500 team.
To get up to 87 wins, we need to improve by 6 wins. Just by now, I think the projections are starting to look more realistic, but let’s keep going.
PECOTA projects us to allow 737 runs, 24 less than 2009, (or about 3+ wins worth.) A big part of why we’re projected to be stingier with runs is the rotation.The A’s had games started by 14 different players, including Sean Gallagher, Dana Eveland, Clayton Mortensen, Edgar Gonzalez and Dan Giese, none of whom will be anywhere near the A’s depth chart at starter this year. For those inclined to do so, this would be a good place to make a Trevor Cahill joke, but what’s not a joke is the greatly diminished likelihood that Trevor Cahill will make 32 starts this year. Also, Mazzaro and Gio gave up a lot of runs last year. Less starts by all the names I’ve mentioned and more starts by Sheets and Duchscherer, even if you hedge and don’t predict full seasons out of both, are going to be a significant upgrade.
Further, all those under-27 pitchers like Anderson, Braden, etc? Likely to improve to some degree. Even if Sheets and Duke only combine for one full season, two wins (or more) of improvement from the rotation seems like a very reasonable projection, maybe even a conservative one.
On the bullpen front, I don’t see a very large change. We had an excellent bullpen last year, we’ll have an excellent one this year. Devine’s back and Casilla’s out, but given how good the pen was last year, a little regression from some guys isn’t unreasonable. Call it a push overall.
Defensively, there are a lot of modest gains. Nothing massive, but there’s general improvement at most positions. Catcher stays the same. 1B changes from the Giambi/Barton/Crosby/Everidge cadre to what I’m assuming will mostly be Barton. 2B switches from the Ellis/Kennedy duo to Ellis alone, presuming Pennington’s had his “don’t run into Mark” lessons. 3B was manned by Hannahan (who was good at it) as well as Kennedy and Crosby, (who weren’t.) The aggregate will almost certainly be outplayed by Kouzmanoff. Pennington was not a great shortstop, but he was significantly better than Cabrera. The outfield will have less Holliday, (not a good thing. He was 6.6 runs above average for us,) less Hairston, (neutral. He was average,) and less Cust, (a very good thing,) and more Davis and Crisp. There’s a mild upgrade in total, though this could easily be turned into a mild downgrade by signing and playing Johnny Damon. Overall, taking into account the vagaries of defensive statistics, I think calling this a win’s worth of upgrade is about right.
So, PECOTA’s improvement in terms of allowing runs looks reasonable enough. But how is it that we end up scoring 32 runs more? Our best hitter last year was Matt Holliday, even if he didn’t hit quite up to his NL standards while he was here. Where are the changes? Our next best hitters last year were Rajai Davis and Daric Barton. Both figure to get more time this year.
Meanwhile, here are some hitters we won’t be seeing in green and gold, (along with their 2009 OPS+es). Orlando Cabrera (81), Jason Giambi (85), Bobby Crosby (72), Scott Hairston (70), Nomar Garciaparra (85), Jack Hannahan (55), Tommy Everidge (76). Are incoming hitters Kouzmanoff and Crisp world-beaters? Probably not, but they’re better than what we threw out there last year.
I have to admit, I don’t really see four wins of offensive improvement, there. Just eyeballing it, two seems more likely, but then I thought three wins of pitching/defensive improvement was a conservative estimate. Maybe PECOTA expects bounce-back years from Ellis and Cust, and improvement by Suzuki? In any case, I don’t think six games of improvement is totally UNreasonable.
Someone else want to take a look at the Angels and see if that drop makes sense?
by Nate on Jan 28, 2010 10:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to find some substance on HH but it's not easy to do
Most of it is fanboi commenting but here was a post that took some actual thought (best I could come up with from their perspective):
by Suboptimal
Okay, let’s think a little harder about this
Here’s how the RS/RA projections compare to last year’s actual figures.
OAK: +32 RS, -24 RA
SEA: +154 RS, +49 RA
TEX: +99 RS, +102 RA
LAA: -53 RS, +121 RA
1. I’m willing to believe Oakland can improve by 56 runs, although I would think they would make more of it up with improved defense and more mature pitching. Their offense is still pretty lame. Coco Crisp and Kevin Kouzmanoff do not exactly strike fear into the hearts of their enemies.
2. Seattle improves by 102 runs? Bullshit. Where are those 154 extra runs scored coming from? Chone Figgins slugging .800? Casey Kotchman hitting .450? Milton Bradley actually getting 600 plate appearances? But wait, this is only BP’s second most absurd projection.
3. They say Texas will be a wash: better hitting and worse pitching, for a -3 run differential. I can accept this. It’s more in line with the Texas we know and love. I welcome them back with open arms.
4. So, the Angels…174 runs worse? Losing 53 runs on offense seems reasonable, albeit pessimistic. I don’t really have a problem there. But 121 runs worse on defense?! That’s a penalty of 12 wins for replacing Lackey with Pineiro, Oliver with Rodney, and Arredondo with Stokes. For reference, Pineiro, Oliver, and Rodney did 0.8 wins worse than Lackey, Oliver, and Arredondo last year. Man, that’s a heavy, heavy penalty for regression, which should actually be working in the Angels’ favor at this point, since they will be getting a majority of innings from pitchers under 28. But the way BP has it, the Angels will have the worst pitching in baseball besides the Royals. The only way I can see this ridiculous proejction coming true is if you put the Angels’ pitching staff on a plane, crashed it in the ocean, and replaced them with the Salt Lake Bees.
So overall, six out of the eight numbers are believable. I’d say for a computer algorithm, that’s not too bad. But now it’s my turn to make up two numbers: Pythagoras is coming home to roost in 2010, bitches, the Angels will go 0-162!
http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/1/28/1274285/angels-in-last-place#comments
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by doctorK on Jan 29, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
That deserves to be the AN web page's title.
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I'm pretty sure we win the PECOTA West every year.
If nothing else, Beane would make a hell of a fantasy manager.
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