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But Can They Pitch?: 2010 Pitching Projections (HQ)

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It's been fairly widely accepted that your 2010 Oakland Athletics will not be able to hit a baseball very far, or very often, for that matter. When your offense lines up like this: Rajai Davis, Coco Crisp, Kurt Suzuki, Jack Cust, Kevin Kouzmanoff, Ryan Sweeney, Mark Ellis, Daric Barton, and Cliff Pennington, you probably shouldn't expect a plethora of runs.

However--and it may be the difference between the season being over in April and enjoying a few months of competitive baseball--I'm willing to bet that the A's can pitch.

I recognize that Justin Duchscherer missed the entire 2009 season. I understand that he is a high-risk pitcher. But I also believe that players will go the extra mile in a contract year if it is at all humanly possible, and if he's healthy, Duchscherer will pitch well; he always has. Duchscherer at his best is an ace pitcher, and could provide much needed leadership on a very young staff. 

Before suffering a mysterious foot injury at the tail-end of the 2009 season, Dallas Braden was on his way to a very solid season. Ignoring his sub-.500 record, Braden kept his ERA well under 4 in his 22 games, and he has brought his WHIP down to 1.36.

And then there is Brett Anderson; fantasy baseball's darling of the 2010 season. You can't open a magazine or click on any pitching projections online without running into Anderson as the sleeper pick.  Take a look at the numbers from BaseballHQ.com:

Player Age Th IP W L SV ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Duchscherer,Justin 32 R 131 9 5 0 54 14 38 95 3.71 1.30
Braden,Dallas 26 L 189 11 11 0 92 21 59 122 4.38 1.37
Anderson,Brett 21 L 181 12 9 0 69 19 46 172 3.43 1.22

 

Anderson's projections are sky-high for a 21 year old player in his second year in the league, but more importantly, I like the look of the first three spots in the A's rotation. If the A's could somehow get Duchscherer to stay healthy, Braden to pitch like he does on his good days, and Anderson to project exactly like shown, the A's could win some baseball games. Barring injury, I consider those three pitchers a lock for the rotation, which leaves two more slots to fill.

Star-divide

Personally, I think there are three pitchers competing for two spots; Gio Gonzalez, Vin Mazzaro, and Trevor Cahill, but as you can see from the numbers below, the 4th and 5th starting spots are projected to go to Gonzalez and Cahill, with Mazzaro and Clayton Mortensen making spot starts. (Josh Outman is not scheduled to return until mid-season.)

Player Age Th IP W L SV ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Cahill,Trevor 21 R 181 16 12 0 90 20 77 101 4.48 1.46
Gonzalez,Gio 24 L 116 8 7 0 56 13 58 116 4.43 1.41
Mazzaro,Vince 23 R 58 3 4 0 26 7 18 39 4.03 1.34
Mortensen,Clayton 24 R 51 3 3 0 27 4 16 32 4.76 1.43

 

And if this speculation wasn't fun enough, Buster Olney has reported that the Mets and the A's are the teams most likely to sign Ben Sheets. And if his asking price is the rumored $7-8 million, I think the A's should.

I think every player in this rotation will have a legitimate shot to win any game in which he holds a lead because of two simple facts: 1) With plus-defenders all over the field, we could see some lower-than-expected ERA's and 2) The A's have an incredibly good, deep bullpen; one of the best in the whole league. Sure, the starting rotation will likely not pitch deep into games, with two of its members coming off injuries and then rest barely of legal age, but the A's have set up their 'pen to easily cover the seventh, eighth and ninth innings of games, with options for the fifth and sixth as well. The projections seem to agree; notice the low SP win total and the records that most middle relievers have, implying that they will factor into decisions. Between Bailey, Blevins, Breslow, Devine, Wuertz, and Ziegler, the A's might be able to hold a lead with just five innings of work from a starting pitcher. The A's aren't going to score a lot of runs, but they might be able to prevent runs against them.

From the projected numbers (and for what it's worth, I think Bailey will exceed his projected save total by quite a few):

Player Age Th IP W L SV ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Bailey,Andrew 25 R 73 4 4 26 24 6 24 69 2.96 1.07
Blevins,Jerry 26 L 58 5 3 0 28 5 15 47 4.34 1.40
Breslow,Craig 29 L 65 5 5 0 29 8 27 53 4.02 1.37
Devine,Joey 26 R 44 5 2 2 17 5 18 39 3.48 1.32
Wuertz,Mike 31 R 73 4 2 2 27 7 29 82 3.33 1.18
Ziegler,Brad 30 R 73 4 3 2 25 4 25 51 3.08 1.34

 

So, who's your starting 5? Who do you think Beane/Geren's starting 5 are? Do you think Spring Training will sort out the last slots or are they already set? Are you going to Spring Training to find out? What are your pitching projections for the upcoming season?

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I would love to see Sheets here

Although I am fairly pessimistic about the possibility. I think Sheets is probably looking for a higher profile spot, and everyone here is familiar with the trouble the A’s have had trying to land free agents this year and last.
At this point, I think I am with the crowd that would like to see Cahill begin the year in AAA, work on his secondary pitches, and come back strong, leaving either Mazzaro or Mortensen or Lenny DiNardo(!) to take the fifth spot in the rotation. I don’t know how optimistic I can be about the Duke coming back, but it sure would make me happy to see, and i think it’s still more likely than Chavez playing third at any point during the regular season.

by el generico on Jan 22, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

The fact that we were scouting Sheets

Means that another pitcher is being at least contemplated. I would love a veteran presence of some sort for these young pitchers.

by A'shole on Jan 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I like that too

but I’m not sure about Sheets, at least at his asking price. According to Matthew Cerrone at MetsBlog, he’s looking for “at least $10 million, plus lots of incentives, and a second-year, player-controlled option.”

I’d rather kick the tires on John Smoltz. He’d be an even better veteran presence than Sheets, likely taking some of that pressure off Duke. And he seems like a swell guy. But having him would allow the A’s to leave one more starter in Sacramento for the first half of the season, flip Smoltz in July, and bring up the most qualified guy to replace him.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott

by scatterbrian on Jan 22, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Smoltz on the mound = pants on the ground

expecially as a starter.

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 23, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not stuck on WHO the pitcher would be.

by A'shole on Jan 25, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

We might have a better chance at signing a free agent pitcher than hitter

When signing a one-year deal, players are looking for situations where they can excel and set themselves up to make megabucks the next year. For hitters, Oakland makes little sense because of the ballpark. That’s one of the reasons we only positional guys looking to extend their career for a season or two instead of guys looking to resurrect their careers. For pitchers though, their numbers are likely to be inflated in Oakland, especially with our strong defense and bullpen. Duke didn’t just sign with Oakland because of comfort with the team (although I do believe that was a big factor given his pysch issues), he wanted a place where he could position himself well for free agency next season. Sheets might do the same.

by dolemite on Jan 22, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Now, I don't really care either way about a pitcher's projected W-L statistics

but why would they have Cahill as having the most?

Blech.

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

Goals on Film, coming to San Francisco in 2010

by bobnothing on Jan 22, 2010 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

I read HQ often...

I’m positive the $16 is a misprint on their site based on his values they have for him.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 22, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

has to be

no way he’s winning 16 games….never mind the 28 decisions in 181 innings…

"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott

by scatterbrian on Jan 22, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

link to a pay site...

how reliable are these projections?

why not just go with the free chone and bill james projections over at fangraphs?

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by xbhaskarx on Jan 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

I am a huge Sheets fan...

but that is not a cheap asking price for a guy who hasnt pitched since September 2008….Huge risk, but no doubt a lot of upside if he can throw 150+ IP.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 22, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

Well, didn't see this one coming

A’s prospect leaving baseball for priesthood

Good luck, Grant… :-/

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Jan 22, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Page refresh fail

There’s a whole FanPost about it before I posted this

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Jan 22, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't he get a rather large signing bonus??

plew!! Just another reason for a cap on draft signee salary rates.
And, another question on the “employment form”…

Awaiting the start of the 2010 season!

by One won lost won on Jan 22, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hope this post was intended as a joke

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
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by PaulThomas on Jan 22, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

intended so

well, maybe not the first question..

Awaiting the start of the 2010 season!

by One won lost won on Jan 22, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Aww buhunk

Outta left field there…

"Yeah, all I could find was Triple-Sec and rootbeer...What?! You mean you had tequila the whole time?!"

by talex on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, good for him, following his own path

(just a slight reduction in hits in priesthood versus being A at the ML level)

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jan 22, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd pull the trigger on Sheets

but then again, it is not my money. What the rotation in April will look like depends a lot on whether Beane signs a free agent pitcher like Sheets.

Frankly, against the common wisdom on AN, before spring training results are in, I think in the mind of A’s management Cahill remains firmly ahead of Mazzaro in line for the fourth or fifth starter spot, about level with Gio. So that puts Mazzaro on the outs. But I also think how they perform during the spring will be decisive in determining the 4th and 5th starters (assuming no free agent in the mix) and who gets which spot.

chronic

by Since1972 on Jan 22, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

A's Outfield Future

Not to be off topic…..but do you think the A’s would have traded away Cunningham if they knew Grant Desme was gonna leave baseball? This is not good. Beginning to think the A’s will never have a high caliber prospect come up and flourish. Hurry up Michael Taylor!

by SameOldG33 on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

I don't want to call the projections pessimistic...but Brett Anderson has already beat the projections

Brett Anderson’s numbers after May 2009:

"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper

"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles

by Cheezombie on Jan 22, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Are you suggesting that he'll always be that good and/or better?

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Jan 22, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Course not

But for a 21 year old rookie to do that is pretty incredible and doesn’t happen often.

"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper

"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles

by Cheezombie on Jan 22, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Josh Outman?

I rarely see mention of him but he certainly pitched well last year before he got hurt.

by sacto on Jan 22, 2010 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

the earliest he's expected to be ready to pitch

is mid-season 2010. Perhaps more realistically, we shouldn’t expect him to be a factor in the A’s rotation until 2011.

by OaklandSi on Jan 22, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...I made a mention in the article, but it was brief.

It looks like 2011 will be when Outman is really a part of the rotation. They expect him back this season, but he is still recovering from TJ, and he IS very young. They are going to take it slow.

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by baseballgirl on Jan 22, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I still want to see him go back to that goofy

over-the-head throwing style.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jan 23, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd love that.

Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.

by danmerqury on Jan 23, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It looks like he's stretching

but then he’s like jk here comes the ball!

"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper

"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles

by Cheezombie on Jan 23, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I've heard people argue that it wouldn't work

because he can’t hide the ball as well. Sort of an anti-Kilby logic.

Maybe, but let’s find out. Trying unconventional things is fun. What better combination for testing this idea at the MLB level than the A’s and Josh Outman? They don’t even have to persuade him or convert him. Just give the go-ahead and say, “When you rehab, if you want to go back to your old technique, go ahead. We’ll support you just as much either way.”

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jan 25, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

That actually makes a lot of sense.

It’d be really easy to see the different grips, because he’s not hiding behind his glove (or his ass). He’d be tipping every pitch.

But I’m sure they could work out something, if they really wanted to.

Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.

by danmerqury on Jan 25, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd guess it's like 90% probable that his only significant role next season will be in the bullpen

replacing whichever of the 3 current lefties (Breslow, Blevins, Kilby) is the worst.

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Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Jan 22, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

that's sad.

thanks for the report.

by sacto on Jan 22, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

ideally Cahill and Mazzaro would start the season at AAA

although probably one of them will begin with the big club (most likely Cahill). Duchscherer still must be considered an injury risk because of his history of injuries (and I’m a little concerned about Braden’s still not being able to feel his toes on the injured foot). So it makes sense for the A’s to still be considering signing a veteran pitcher.

But Sheets is awfully expensive, and an injury risk as well…

by OaklandSi on Jan 22, 2010 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

so to the A's two injury risks

- one really cheap (Braden) and one not very expensive (Duchscherer), – add one expensive injury risk (Sheets)? Do the A’s have enough cheap (and potentially decent) backups for all three?

by OaklandSi on Jan 22, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There's certainly enough filler lying around in AAA, yeah

By my count there are 12 SP on the current roster; even excluding the clearly-not-ready Pedro Figueroa and Fautino de los Santos as well as Outman, that’s plenty. That’s also not counting Simmons (if he ever gets his act together) or some more marginal guys like Travis Banwart.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Jan 22, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The A's could cover 2 of 3 from the get go

By July, probably all 3 unless a whole lot of bad things happened.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jan 22, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

are the 2 Cahill and Mazzaro?

Cahill, for better or worse, is likely to start the season in the A’s rotation.

If the third is Outman, I think that may be overly optimistic.

(I’m thinking only about major league ready or close to ready pitchers, which would exclude de los Santos.)

 I suppose Lenny diNardo might be used if necessary, though I’m not sure I’d call him “decent”

by OaklandSi on Jan 23, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I should have just posted the Desme news!

We could have open threads and everything! ;-)

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Jan 22, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Bullpen Question

I don’t know if it’s been talked about already, but who’s the long reliever?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 22, 2010 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

Or Eveland

E-Gon is E-Gone, but Mortensen and Eveland are possibilities.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 22, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Eveland is the long man

He is out of options so thats the best option, I am also a fan of Dana cause we have the same name. And he is the first man I have have known also named Dana

Mortensen should also start the year in AAA, as what their 4th starter if we dont sign a pitcher, 5th if we do

Man that AAA team is stacked

by Sir Realist on Jan 23, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd keep Gio and sign Sheets, and failing that keep Mazzaro.

I think Beane will keep Gio and try to sign Sheets. Failing that, he’ll keep Cahill.

But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 22, 2010 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

He did it...

Grant Desme made the right choice. Serving God is permanent. Baseball is only temporary. Glad to see Grant get his priorities straight. It’s the A’s loss but the Kingdom of God’s gain. Way to go Grant!

by Bulgaricus on Jan 23, 2010 12:14 AM PST reply actions  

Honestly, if I were God I'd want to see a better contact rate

but whatever.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 23, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If I were a preacher, I'd want a better contact rate....

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jan 25, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

If we get 15 starts from Duke

I’ll consider it a win. I think people forget just how fragile that guy is. Great pitcher, one of my favorite’s to wear an A’s uniform, but I’m not going to pin any hopes on him making it a full season. Overall, the pitching on this team will be outstanding, and adding Sheets, if he is as good as has been reported, would just be gravy.

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by sprtsnwyn on Jan 23, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

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