Get to know your prospects: Eric Sogard
Yesterday afternoon, the A's traded Aaron Cunningham and Scott Hairston to acquire Kevin Kouzmanoff and a prospect. The deal thinned out Oakland's still great OF depth and filled the hole at 3B. The prospect was Eric Sogard, which few of you had probably heard of until you looked up his stats last night.
Stats on FanGraphs; Stats on The Baseball Cube (college stats included)
Sogard was drafted by the Padres in the 2nd Round, the 81st overall pick overall. You probably shouldn't put that much stock into the MLB draft reports, but they are helpful nonetheless. Here is a link to a video of him fielding, taking batting practice and some live game action. Here is a link to the draft report from MLB. If you don't want to click, here's the summary they offered:
Sogard gets the ultimate compliment from scouts by being called "a real baseball player." He can flat-out hit and has suprising [sic] pop. He's got average speed, but can steal a base. He makes the plays at second base with limited range. While each individual tool may not receive a high grade, Sogard is the type who always plays above his tools.
The report also said he "reminds some of Dustin Pedroia," though this is a lazy comparison; two undersized players from the same school are not always similar. Regardless, this report is two years old. Take from it what you will.
Since being drafted, Sogard has shown limited power, though he did hit 10 HR and 42 doubles in 2008 in a full season in High-A ball, putting up a slash line of .308/.394/.453. One thing he has shown is an advanced batting eye, walking more times that striking out in his two full seasons.
Before last season, Sickels rated him as the Padres' 11th best prospect. Link here.
11) Eric Sogard, 2B, Grade C+: Excellent secondary skills. Needs to repeat this in Double-A.
He then went on to put up a line of .293/.370/.400 in AA. This year Sickels rated him as the Padres' 20th best prospect.
20) Eric Sogard, 2B, Grade C+: Gets on base, not punchless, defense is so-so but I like the bat enough to keep give him this grade
A couple other scouting reports because it's January and being a baseball fan is boring these days:
Here is one from hot-prospects.net that says Sogard is "built like a fire hydrant" and "a high-energy dirt magnet." Here is another from baseball-intellect.com that ranks Sogard as the Padres' 10th best prospect (before last season) and actually has a ranking on the traditional 20-80 scale, though I can't say how reputable these two reports are. This report figures Sogard could become an average second baseman, though is more likely a utility player.
Though most reports had his defense as average at best, TotalZone had him at 12 runs above average over 150 games. Minor league defensive metrics are iffy at best, though it's really all we have to go by.
Where Sogard fits in the A's system isn't really known at this point. Kouzmanoff fills the hole at 3B, so whether the A's continue to groom Cardenas as the 3B of the future is still not known. Weeks and Cardenas are both better prospects. Sogard isn't quite a player of the future but he's not exactly minor league filler, either. It's early, but it does look like the most likely scenario is that Sogard turns into a serviceable utility player. He's certainly not a terribly exciting player, but it's January. What else are we going to talk about?
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Maybe Weeks to CF
There’s been talk of Weeks going to Centerfield. I don’t see an up and coming CF in the system, so maybe Weeks could play there, but I’ve still never seen him play.
Oakland does have Corey Brown.
He hit 30 HR two years ago, posting an OPS of around .850 in A- and A+, though he missed some of this year with a knee injury. Sickels gave him a C+ this year. Think Grant Desme with a little less offense and the ability to play CF well.
For the most part Weeks to CF has been purely speculation that maybe he should, not that he could or would.
by Opus Youngblood on Jan 16, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Weeks > Corey Brown
Really, A’s fans need to not count on Brown for the future. If he makes it, great. Bonus. But when he turns into Joe Borchard, they have to have a backup plan.
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by thejd44 on Jan 16, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Desme's speed is hardly above average.
He stole 40 bases last year, but he’s just a very good base stealer. He has played some CF so far in the minors, but I don’t think there is anybody, scouts or A’s brass, that are projecting Desme as a CF.
by Opus Youngblood on Jan 16, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like of like Holliday
Fast enough to become an accomplished base-stealer but not really a “CFer” at heart.
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You really don't need lots of speed to be a great defensive CF
I’m not arguing Desme can or will be, just saying that the idea that speed = good or speed is necessary to be good is false.
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I don't see how you can be slow and be a great defensive CF.
I can’t think of any great defensive slow CF — Gary Pettis, Devon White, Willie Mays, Paul Blair — they’re all pretty fast or very fast. I guess Franklin Gutierrez isn’t super fast but he’s not slow either. MGL did find a strong correlation between OF defense and speed.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 17, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I guess a counter-example would be Kotsay
But examples are few and far between.
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Well you can't run like a Molina brother and be good out there
But there’s no need to be Usain Bolt either. Jim Edmonds is one of the better defensive CFs of the past 20 years and he was never super fast or anything. Aaron Rowand was one of the best defensive CFs for a handful of years and he has/had only decent speed. Conversely, you can look at a guy like Scott Podsednik who is really, really fast, but an absolutely horrendous defensive CF (and a terrible baserunner, for whatever that’s worth).
Unless MGL had 40 times of all the players he studied, it’s a bad study. And I know he didn’t. He used various aspects of baserunning (which, again, are only somewhat tied to actual speed).
Getting a great jump and taking a proper route to the ball is going to be more important than speed every time. Speed just allows guys to make up for mistakes in the other two areas.
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Also, Andruw Jones (who did steal bases early) was a great defensive CF long after he stopped stealing bases.
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
A correlation doesn't require that it be correct 100% of the time
Clearly some fast players are worse CF than some slow players. Nonetheless, on average, if you take a slow player and speed him up, while holding everything else constant, he will become a better CF.
That’s not really true of, eg, catcher.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 17, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Question: Is 2B Sogard's best position, ultimately?
Or is he better suited to 3B, where he’d need less range but his advanced fundamentals would be well served?
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I see...Hmm...
Sounds like a good utility guy in the making, like a poor man’s Figgins/Tony Phillips.
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Or maybe a rich man's Eric Patterson!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I actually don't know that Sogard projects better than Patterson
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Patterson is irrelevant since his defense is terrible
Everything i’ve read on Sogard projects him avg to above avg at 2b.
Except CHONE which projects him at -2
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 17, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
That’s right now. He’s probably not MLB-ready right now…
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From BA
[Sogard] doesn’t meet the power or defensive standard of a regular big league second baseman. His lack of first-step quickness and agility on the pivot limit his effectiveness at the keystone
But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 19, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Another one of Beane's hype jobs or the truth?
Slusser summary
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?entry_id=55424&o=1&rv=1263692256867>a=commentslistpos#commentslistpos
A’s have liked him at ASU.
Surprised he was available.
Likes walk,contact skills
Also looks like cardenas move to 3b will remain for now
Most important Beane flat out mentions Pennington as the starting SS, but A’s still in market for a backupSS,utility player. I dont see the FA market filling that need. Maybe Jerry Hairston. Other like Tejada, Lopez,Cabrera likely will prefer astarting spot. I kind of agree with Slusser that Petit should get a chance if there’s no other options.
re "Another one of Beane's hype jobs or the truth?"
The A’s often keep following players they like/want until they get them. Makes perfect sense to me.
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They're also unlikely to acquire a player A) they don't like or B) not talk him up after the acquisition.
by Opus Youngblood on Jan 16, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
"We really can't stand the guy and he sucks, and we're not happy we got him."
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Actually, that's kind of how it's gone with Aaron Miles
“So now we’re looking for a utility SS…”
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So, you're saying that Billy Beane is a stalker?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
We keep getting guys named Jack
It’s Jack & The Beane Stalk.
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Excellent.
Among the many puns you throw at the wall, here is one that sticks.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Sogard = Ellis
Sounds like to me another Mark Ellis pick up. Remember when Ellis was the throw in a deal with KC. Many wondered why did we trade a young prospect infielder just to get another back in a 3 way trade. Ellis became the best player in the deal. Similar hitting like Ellis in the minors so if we caught a break with another Ellis great deal.
Of course, he's absolutely nothing at all like else in any way
Except they both play second base.
Also, Johnny Damon > Mark Ellis. Damon is a borderline hall of famer. I’m an Ellis fan, and I think he’s been very underrated during his career, but he was not the best player in that deal.
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Well, It's probably Ellis-like thinking regarding this deal
but not necessarily that Beane thinks he’s the next Ellis. Just a throw-in with good minor league numbers who adds depth and some potential to our system.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 17, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
His minor league numbers just don't really impress me
The eye is good, but he hasn’t been young for his league and he’s just not been especially impressive. His lack of real defensive value hurts.
He’s just a guy. If he’s ever playing in the majors for the A’s, it means we’re all miserable because a handful of great prospects have failed (or gotten hurt).
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by thejd44 on Jan 17, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
same was said
about Ellis. When Ellis was picked up nobody thought he was any more of a utility player.
Sure, but Ellis-like thinking = Antonio Perez-like thinking
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
rephrase that
Best player for the A’s in the deal. damon was good in Oakland but left. I don’t think Damon is any where near a hall of fame player. A good allstar player though.
"One of the all time goods" -- not a HOFer.
And he wasn’t good in Oakland. He was good everywhere else.
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And your namesake.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
also
we got some values out of rental players that passed through here
Big Hurt, Kennedy
- starters like Lily
It’s more of a trend that big names FA don’t do well and last long after leaving the A’s, think
The big 3, G, Tejada
Someone should say hi to Mat Holiday.
by asfansince1989 on Jan 17, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Tejada and Giambi did fine in Baltimore and New York
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 17, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
shoot me now
“built like a fire hydrant”?
and
“a high-energy dirt magnet.”?
Why cant they jut say “good at baseball”. These bizarre hyperbole always look so corny.
So if "built like a fire hydrant" doesn't apply,
how do you explain the preponderance of dogs peeing on him?
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You pee on one red head and you never hear the end of it.
I said I was sorry and I’m not saying it again. It was an accident.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I mean, we should just end the charade
and give these lazy, bad sportswriters what they want: let “Eckstieny” become a real word in the dictionary.
Ellis played together with Eckstein at college!
nice tie-in by you, to all this mumbling…
Awaiting the start of the 2010 season!
by One won lost won on Jan 18, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
This picture is Ecksteiny (though just barely, they almost cropped it wrong)

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

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