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A Case For Andrew Bailey; Early AL Hardware Discussion

Ah, September. The time of year when the season winds down; the time where it seems that everyone except the A’s will start to prepare for some meaningful October ball. With no playoff run on the horizon for a third consecutive season, we’re left with very little to root for that will count in 2009.

Except…

Andrew Bailey.

Bailey has a legitimate chance at taking home the ROY award for 2009, and not just because Geren thinks so.


Conceding that Bailey is at a disadvantage among voters who value the daily contributions of position players over the lighter workloads of pitchers, Geren nonetheless suggested that Oakland's only 2009 All-Star deserves more than cursory consideration.


"It's hard to compare apples to oranges," Geren said. "If there was a Rookie Pitcher of the Year [Award], obviously he'd be the winner of that."


I can get on-board with Geren’s conclusion; if the season ended today, I absolutely think Andrew Bailey deserves the honor, but I disagree with Geren's thought process, for a couple of reasons.

Number one, I think Bailey’s main competitors are almost all  "rookie pitchers", and number two--lest we forget--Huston Street, as an A’s a pitcher with a ‘lighter workload’, won Rookie of the Year in 2005 by a considerable margin over True Yankee Robinson Cano, a daily contributor to the easy-to-vote-for Yankees’ lineup.

Although still wildly overestimating starting pitchers’ contributions to the statistic of "wins", the Baseball Writers Association of America seem to have no problem assigning the Rookie of the Year awards to rookie pitchers--or to Oakland Athletics players, for that matter.

But is Andrew Bailey the best rookie pitcher of 2009?

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The case for Bailey: Andrew Bailey’s 2009 stats include his record of 6 wins and 3 losses (giving up 0 ER in 5 of the 6 appearance that led to his wins), and his sparkling ERA of 2.06. He has appeared in 59 games for a total of 74.1 IP, and has saved 23 games in 27 chances (which is exactly what Huston Street finished with in 2005). He has allowed 48 hits, 17 ER (interestingly, no unearned runs; the team plays great defense behind him), and 5 homeruns. His best margins are his K/9, which is 9.6 (taking his 79 K's, dividing them by his 74.1 innings, multiplying by 9) and his awesome WHIP, which checks in under 1--at 0.94. He was also voted to the All Star Team in St. Louis this season as the A’s lone representative; he has been consistently great all season long. I think Bailey needs to hit at least 25 saves for that number to stand out to the writers, and he’d probably be a shoe-in with 30.

Huston Street won the ROY award in 2005 with a 1.72 ERA (a touch better than Bailey’s right now); 78.1 IP (Bailey needs only four more innings this month to surpass this total), 53 H, 15 ER, 3 HR, and a K to BB ratio of 72 to 26 (Bailey has exceeded his K total in fewer innings already this season), and a 1.01 WHIP. Assuming Bailey’s numbers hold for the next month, he is on pace to match or best Street’s 2005 ROY campaign.

But as everyone knows; it’s not just the season that wins a player the ROY, it’s also the competition. Robinson Cano and his .297 AVG, .458 SLG, and .778 OPS couldn’t beat out Street; neither could Jonny Gomes nor Tadahito Iguchi. But from where I’m sitting, Bailey might have some stiffer competition in the pitching arena.

Marc Hulet shares his AL Rookie picks here; claiming that Bailey will have to beat out fellow pitcher Brett Anderson, Elvis Andrus (Texas), and Gordon Beckham (Chicago) for the award. Brad Bergensen (Baltimore) is also mentioned, but he’s out for the season, which should end his ROY hopes. Personally, I also think Anderson is well out of the voting; his 8-10 record and his 4.45 ERA will sufficiently discourage his voters (his 1.32 WHIP should seal it), and if the voters decide on a position player, it will be Andrus, especially if Texas makes the playoffs. Beckham has similar numbers, his team is still ‘technically’ in the race, but Andrus has 383 at-bats, a .274 batting average, 24 stolen bases, and great defense. (I guess there’s also an outside chance of Baltimore’s Nolan Reimold, but his lack of AB's, dominant stats and early playing time should nix that.)

But I think it will be a pitcher. And I realize that this directly contradicts Rob Neyers' case for Elvis Andrus article yesterday.

I also think that both Marc Hulet and Rob Neyer have downplayed very real competition; the rookie righty starter from Tampa Bay, Jeff Niemann.

The Baseball Writers Association of America will love Niemann’s 12-5 record (and could still improve) as a rookie starting pitcher in the AL East, with 8 of those wins (partnered with a low ERA) coming after June 1st. However, if you look a little closer, his overall 3.67 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, and 98/49 K/BB ratio are nowhere near Bailey’s, and even though Niemann has pitched twice as many innings for a much better team, most of his pitching gems came against crappy teams (sorry, A’s).

Despite pitching in the same division as Boston and New York, Niemann has had the good fortune to face each of the AL East powerhouses only once. Granted, the appearances were back-to-back in early May, but he did not fare well. He left after three innings against Boston and after retiring just one batter in the fourth against the Yankees. Niemann has also struggled against good teams; the Angels (twice) and the Rangers, while pitching into the eighth or ninth innings against the A’s, the Royals, the Orioles, the White Sox, and the Blue Jays. True, his last two starts have been gems against the AL Central-leading Detroit Tigers, but the Tigers have a suspect offense as well. Niemann's real claim is that he has numbers have only gotten better the longer the season goes. If he can pitch this next month like he has throughout the summer, and can add a couple of additional wins, he will be tough for Bailey to beat.

Detroit’s Rick Porcello is also in the starting pitching ROY running; he has the distinct advantage of being on a playoff-bound team. Even so, I think his 4.18 ERA and 1.34 WHIP (and 72/42 K/BB) will fall behind both Bailey and Niemann. Likewise, Toronto’s Ricky Romero, even with his 11-7 record in his great rookie year, might be too far back with his 4.15 ERA and 1.48 WHIP.

Looking at the cursory numbers (the same ones that voters will be looking at a month from now), I would say that Andrew Bailey holds the slight edge right now, but it will be a close month between him and Jeff Niemann, if it is indeed a pitcher's year. A few more wins and a few more saves might make all the difference in this contest; not the ideal numbers to measure against, but likely the tie-breaker. And if Texas continues their playoff run, and Elvis stays in the mix? It could swing back to the position player. Stay tuned; what else are we doing in October? ;-)

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the race according to WAR

from fangraphs

1. Elvis Andrus = 2.8 WAR
    Brett Anderson = 2.8 WAR
3. Jeff Niemann = 2.6 WAR
4. Ricky Romero = 2.3 WAR
5. Andrew Bailey = 2.1 WAR
6. Gordon Beckham = 1.4 WAR
    Rick Porcello = 1.4 WAR
8. Nolan Reimold = 1.0 WAR

…not that the BBWA cares about that

by colin on Sep 9, 2009 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Yep

As far as I’m concerned, Brett Anderson is the ROY and he doesn’t even have much competiion. Andrus is obviously a good choice too, but it would surprise me if he won, considering his value is primarily tied up in his defense, an aspect of the game consistently underrated by sportswriters everywhere.

Anderson’s been victimized by unlucky LOB % and mediocre defense, he’s got a very good FIP stemming from a very good K/BB ratio. Plus, he’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball for the last few months.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 9, 2009 8:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

one possibly legitimate way of voting

would be to lean in the direction of players who you think will be future stars / among the best at their position. Like if you were picking between two pitchers, one of whom had a better year in terms of IP and ERA, but who is basically an innings-eater 3-4 starter type, and one who suffered from some blowouts but also flashed real ace potential, then I wouldn’t hold it against you if you voted for the second pitcher, WAR be damned.

I’m not super familiar with all of the candidates, but I think that Andrus, Anderson, and Bailey could all be future stars. Beckham and Romero might fall into that category too (and maybe Porcello, since he’s still so young, but I’m not really sold). But Niemann looks more like someone who will continue to be above average and valuable, but not a breakout candidate. I don’t know anything about Reimold, but he seems like he’s pretty much out of the race.

by colin on Sep 9, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my mind it goes like this:

1)Bailey
2)Anderson
3)Andrus
4)Niemann
5)Romero/Porcello

After that fill in the blanks, although I really think Anderson and Bailey could easily share the award.

What about Comeback Player Of The Year? = Rajai Davis

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha...AWESOME!

Weirdly, I was just thinking that during the game last night:

What about Comeback Player Of The Year? = Rajai Davis

I think it was when the Sox announcers were saying that they never thought Davis would amount to a full-time player.

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Comeback from what? sucking? Not playing much?

I mean, I guess if there was a “second half breakthrough player of the year” award, Rajai would qualify for that, but he didn’t really have an injury or anything, he didn’t miss signifigant time for any reason other than being a bad player, etc.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that were an award they should just call it the Rajai.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Sep 9, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

"he didn’t really have an injury or anything"

Jason Giambi won one of these without having an injury.

by PL78 on Sep 9, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.

He fucked Mark Ellis out of the award that year, too.

Basically it just reassures us that awards are really dumb.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding ding!

we have a winner!

but there is no award,
because awards are really dumb.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 9, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way I meant to say excellent post BBG! :)

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Sep 9, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

If it's not one of the two A's,

it’d be nice to see Rookie Romero win Rickie of the year.

If only for that reason.

by bobnothing on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd vote for him but he doesn't spell his name right.

"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons

by dtownmbrown on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post, and I'm happy to buy your argument for Bailey (or Anderson)

I’ve always loved how the A’s pop up in ROY discussions at most every 4-5 years or so, regardless of the overall state of the team. Of course, that speaks a great deal to our farm system. Let’s not look at the ROY/MVP consideration splits, which speaks to our general inability to retain that farm system long term, Chavez aside.

by Jackson23 on Sep 9, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

What does the opinions of the BBWAA, a noted group of idiots if there ever was one,

have anything to do with making a case for Andrew Bailey as RoY?

Personally, I find the question of whether Bailey OUGHT to be RoY much more interesting than whether he WILL be, and this post has very little to say on that subject.

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Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Because the BBWAA are the ones who vote for the awards?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 9, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bailey OUGHT to be ROY only if you can convince the BBWAA that he is

It was successful for Street in 2005; I would have laid money on Robinson Cano at the time, but they surprised me.

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Sep 9, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really true

Is-Ought fallacy

what you said conflates what should be with what sill be.

A murderer ought not murder even if I cannot convince him/her not to murder.
The BBWAA ought to vote for Bailey even if I cannot convince them to.

by ohmangoAs on Sep 11, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

my comment above

containing WAR values is probably along the lines of what you are looking for (or insert your favorite statistic that attempts to measure player value). I just looked up values for the “frontrunners”. It would be interesting to get the full list of rookie WAR values, in case there is someone who is flying under the radar (I seriously doubt there are any unknowns ahead of Anderson/Andrus, but maybe someone ahead of Beckham/Porcello).

by colin on Sep 9, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just looking for some sort of comparison of players' performance

I don’t think this post was all that effective, because (apart from the is-ought conflation that I noted above) so much of it is left to inference.

I would suggest: some sort of run-value converter (WAR or whatever your favorite is; just something that puts guys on a level playing field), and a table to compare the players side-by-side with whatever statistics you pick.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The BBWAA

will probably give to much value to a pitchers Wins. A guy on MLB network was picking Porcello on his record alone.

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by micdog2001 on Sep 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's my pet peeve to end all pet peeves.

Pitchers sometimes have SO little control of wins and losses.

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Sep 9, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't have that much more control over ERA or WHIP

ERA gives pitchers way too much credit for giving up unearned runs, stranding runners and allowing low BABIP. WHIP is even worse than ERA in its year-to-year correlations.

That being said, I’m not sure something like FIP or tRA is really appropriate for end-of-year award discussions. I’m comfortable with luck playing a role in those determinations. That would probably involve something like replacing the FIP part of fangraphs’ WAR stat with the pitcher’s actual run average for that season.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

different stats for projecting players vs handing out awards

A lot of sabermetrics focuses on which statistics are good predictors of future performance, and I think this is good. But for awards, an excellent performance should be rewarded, even if it is the result of luck.

Of course, it can be very hard to separate luck (he allowed a lot of balls in play, but they were all hit right at people) from the contribution of the defense (they weren’t really hit at people, but the defense is made up of four Mark Ellis plus three Franklin Gutierrez).

Well, I guess that I pretty much just restated what PT said above. So it probably would have been quicker to just say that I agree.

by colin on Sep 10, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with BBG that Brett Anderson

really isn’t even in the running at all, and not just because of his W-L record. Disagreement about whether Anderson should be in the running really takes us to the core question of what ROY ought to reward, ie, the player’s actual results or the results the player “should have” gotten given the skill he demonstrated.

Anderson’s claim on the ROY is pretty much entirely based on the fact that he has the best WAR by Fangraph’s numbers, and since Fangraph’s WAR calculation is based on FIP, that means Anderson is in the conversation thanks to his excellent FIP.

How you feel about Anderson as ROY is a measure of how you feel about the discrepancy between his FIP and his results. FIP makes no distinction between at-bats that do not result in HR, K or BB, so a double is the same as a single, and an infield out is the same as an infield hit, etc. That’s a lot more logical than it may sound at first, because a great deal of data has shown that these differences are largely out of the pitcher’s control and thus not a measure of his expected skill.

But even if it’s true that the hits Anderson has given up aren’t a reliable measure of his skill, he still gave them up. The question then is whether you put this in the same category as run support and say it’s not his fault and he was just unlucky, or whether you say the ROY is awarded for what you actually did even if that means a luckier player gets to win.

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by iglew on Sep 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Tommy Hunter pitches in Texas and is having a good year, therefore he is the best rookie pitcher in the AL

Would Anderson+Cahill’s ERA’s be as low as they are if they pitched inTexas? Hell no. Hunter’s would probably be under 2 if he pitched in Oakland.

Honestly though, if anyone out of Reimold, Hunter, Bailey, Anderson, Bergeson or Niemann win it there can really be no complaints.

Niemann has 2 shutouts! Thats kind of an awesome feat for any pitcher, let alone a rookie.

by PL78 on Sep 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed...looking at performance and "highlights" from the season

I think it could very well be Niemann.

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Sep 9, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bailey winning ROTY

I’m not sure I care; I just hope he turns out better than Street eventually did.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 9, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Ummm

Have you paid attention to Street this season? I know he’s hurt now, but still, he’s been great. In 2008, by far his worst year, guys hit .229/.303/.368 against him. So even when Huston Street was at his worst, he turned an average major leaguer into Bobby Crosby. Considering how volatile reliever peformance is, I would LOVE if Andrew Bailey turned into Huston Street.

My ballot would probably go Andrus, Anderson, then I don’t know between Reimold/Beckham/Porcello/Bailey. Anderson’s pitched much better than his ERA (and WHIP). Look at David Aardsma or Claudio Vargas or Ryan Franklin or Robinson Tejeda. It’s hard to do what Anderson does. It’s not as hard for a failed starter to do what Bailey does.

by swatnick on Sep 9, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But there is no denying what Bailey has done this year is pretty f*%3ing stellar!

Does he still lead AL relievers in K’s so far this year?

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by mrod on Sep 9, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

you would love if Bailey

-couldnt pitch more than 2 days in a row?
-blew easy games?

Street is soft as butter. Stay in the NL Huston, you arent good enough to hang with the real league.

by PL78 on Sep 10, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whats funny is we bring up all these nice stats

and Bailey’s going to win simply because he was (forced) on the All Star team.

the writers association are made up of at least 75% morons.

by PL78 on Sep 10, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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