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Minor League Update: The 2010 Pitch(ing)

Today we look at the A’s starting pitching depth in the minor leagues. I realize that the Oakland rotation is composed of several young arms (a couple of whom probably still carry fake ID’s just in case) but young SP are worth their weight in gold for any organization. They are the premier currency in the trade market and given how unpredictable pitching can be in general (plus the high rate of injury) an abundance of arms can quickly turn into just enough to get by. In short, for a professional baseball organization, cheap and young pitching is better than sex.

 

With twins.

 

So let’s check out the prospects.

 

Pitching prospects! Not the prospects for…you know. Jeez, get you minds out of the gutter.

Star-divide

 

Projected (by lovable, furry me) 2010 minor league rotations, full season leagues. The number in parenthesis represents the player’s age in 2010.

 

AAA

 

Graham Godfrey (25)

James Simmons (23)

Clayton Mortensen (25)

Travis Banwart (24)

Kyle Middleton (30)

 

Probably the least appealing starting 5 in the A’s system, there’s a decent chance that Justin Souza (who’s been shelled with the RockHounds since coming over in a trade) could take the place of Middleton. I basically made Middleton the 5th guy ‘cause he pitched well enough as a mid-season FA signing that I think he deserves to use pro ball as a means to put food on the table in 2010. Godfrey and Mortensen will be at that magic age where they’ll either prove that they’ve got what it takes to get a shot as a SP or move into the bullpen. Simmons is plenty young to turn things around but the numbers say he pitches up in the zone too much and he doesn’t have the blazing fastball (or the nasty breaking curveball) to get away with that. The man needs a 2-seam fastball, stat! Banwart didn’t exactly overwhelm the Texas League but he finished the year pitching decent and there are younger, more talented arms that I’d like to see in Midland next year. So its sink-or-swim time for Travis next year in Sacramento.

 

AA

 

Tyson Ross (23)

Arnold Leon (21)

Anthony Capra (23)

Ben Hornbeck (22)

Justin Souza (24)

 

Starting with the old guy first, Souza pitched well in the Southern League before becoming a RockHound so let’s not judge the guy solely on his 5 GS in the Texas League. Carlos Hernandez got called back up to Midland for the play-off run but he’s going to need better pixie dust next year to thrive in AA. Still, put him in the running for the 5th spot in Midland’s 2010 rotation. Capra and Hornbeck spent almost all of 2009 in A-ball (Kane County and Stockton) and I don’t see any performance-based reason that they wouldn’t earn tickets to Midland next year. Neither lefty has a blazing fastball, but both have enough zip to go with the ability to change speeds and throw their breaking stuff for strikes. As Mr. Sickels often says, AA is the acid test for control pitchers. Leon and Ross posses the low-90’s heat that appeals to many and a strong 2010 performance would put either one in line for a big league look.

 

High-A

 

Pedro Figueroa (24)

Ken Smalley (22)

Shawn Haviland (24)

Fautino de los Santos (24)

Julio Ramos (22)

 

The return of DLS to full season ball is the highlight of this bunch and A’s fans can only hope his stay in Stockton is short. Figueroa and Haviland need to get a move on or they’ll find themselves shuttled off to the bullpen. Figueroa needs to on the 40 man or the A’s risk losing him in the Rule 5 draft, and if he’s going to be on the 40 man roster he’s going to be under more scrutiny to prove he deserves the roster slot. He’s got arm strength but he needs to show he can pitch, not just throw hard. I expect the A’s to be aggressive with promoting him if he has early success in 2010. Haviland is a smart guy (he graduated from Harvard) who knows how to pitch but does he have the stuff? Smalley needs to tighten up his control and might be better off in the bullpen but I want to see how well he holds up in a non-pitcher friendly park before sending him to the pen. I don’t have a scouting report on Julio Ramos, but he’s got strong numbers, is young and left handed so I’d like to see the A’s challenge him by having him skip Kane County altogether and keep him in Stockton next year.

 

Low-A

 

Murphy Smith (22)

Anvioris Ramirez (22)

Mathieu Leblanc Poirier (23)

Daniel Strailey (21)

Ronny Morla (22)

 

Ramirez put up solid numbers for the Cougars in a late season audition and it looks like that’s where he’ll be starting again in 2010. Morla had strong strike out numbers for Vancouver and looks about ready to try a full season league, the ML’s pitcher friendly parks seem like a good place to do that. Strailey is a 2009 draft pick that made short work of the NW short-season league. Smith is another ’09 draftee who obviously needs a bit more time in Kane County… and that’s not meant as a criticism. Most draftees don’t get sent straight to full season leagues, which is essentially what happened with Murphy. Poirier didn’t hack it in a trial with Stockton this season and I needed a 5th name to put on the list for the Cougars.

 

Summary

 

The system lacks an overwhelming, Ace-like SP prospect (sorry Inoa, you’ve got to actually get into a couple games before I go there) but there is solid depth and enough potential that we could see a couple break-out candidates. Leon, Ramos, Ramirez and Morla represent a rebirth of the Latin American SP prospect in the Oakland organization and hopefully I’ll be able to track down some scouting reports this off-season. The AAA arms will probably produce a back-end SP for the A’s in 2010, although I have a sneaky suspicion that Mortensen is going to end up in the bullpen down the road. I really like the front 4 in my projected Midland rotation.

 

And thank you for your support.

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where will krol and marks go?

When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen

by rhymeswithelephant on Sep 8, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

You can take it to the bank that Marks will be starting in at least KC

Maybe even Stockton.

Krol is probably ticketed for SS-Vancouver, maybe an outside chance at KC if he really impresses this offseason.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody know what's up with Andrew Carignan?

Did he get traded? Injured? Just sucks?

"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons

by dtownmbrown on Sep 8, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

injury

his shoulder, from what I’ve read

I don’t have a link though…

by colin on Sep 8, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea I never found any websites talking about it

thanks

"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons

by dtownmbrown on Sep 8, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

forearm I believe

not good as forearms often lead to elbows, and not just because they are close to each other

by SeanR on Sep 8, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

If any two of MAC was in AAA in 2009

this would look a little rosier though. I hope FDLS can motor through. The cupboard isn’t as rich as it was last year, but it could be worse.

by Future Ed on Sep 8, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I could see Brett Hunter in Kane's rotation next year as well.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

John Sickels sums it up as well as anyone:

 Severe control problems, 6.85 ERA with 55/59 K/BB in 47 innings for Class A Kane County.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The K's and H:9 are there....

walk killed him obv. If he can get that under control hes a great prospect.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Sep 9, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen a video of him pitching

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 8, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

CGI

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Ynoa is actually a Dominican bank account that

Wolff uses to launder money for his stadium.

Bob Garen is incontinent

by Aufheben on Sep 8, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

40 man spots

As mentioned before pitchers like Godfrey, Figueroa, Hernandez, and Souza will be rule 5 eligible this offseason…will any be added?
Not a starter but what does Scott Deal need to get out of Kane County after 3 yrs (he’s also rule 5 eligible)

Depending on health or other issues, A’s will have anderson/cahill/mazzaro/braden/gio/outman as rotation options by midseason, so i’m not as worried about upper level sp depth which actually still solid. Especially when most of those AA/AAA pitchers were drafted/signed in the last 2 yrs so its fast progress.

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 8, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think Hernandez is eligible this season, is he?

He was a draft-and follow who didn’t sign until 2007.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arnold Leon

would be the best of these by far in my opinion. Last year everyone figured Oakland would eventually stretch him out to start once he was no longer shared with the Mexican League team. That has now happened and I think Leon is on his way to a #3 rotation spot in about 2 years.

I mean, just look at what Leon did in August. 6 starts averaging 4.5 innings each. 5BB and 27K in 27.1 innings. 0.66 ERA and held opposing batters to .149. By next Spring, he will be completely stretched out and an ace prospect.

I’ve seen FDLS pitch, and if he continues to recover from Tommy John surgery, he should move very quickly. He could easily be better than Cahill in a couple of years. I want to say what an effortless delivery he has, but then he did require the surgery, so maybe it was not as effortless as it looked. To me, he is an older Ynoa.

My guess is that Capra will be next in line after Leon and FDLS. Then a tossup between Ross and Hornbeck.

We still have some prospects with nasty, strikeout stuff coming up. The future looks bright.

by redtopcowboy on Sep 8, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

De Los Santos was ranked ahead of Cahill (and Anderson, for that matter) before the surgery

so there’s no question that he has potential to be great if he makes a full recovery.

Effort in delivery seems to have less correlation to injury than one might think, or at least the connection is not easy to draw in a linear way. The way DLS’s injury was described makes it sound like basically a fluke— it might not even have happened in a game.

I think there’s a pretty sharp line between Ynoa, DLS, Capra, and Leon and everyone else. Those guys have stuff and performance on their side. After them you start to get into guys with good performance but iffy stuff (Hernandez, Hornbeck, Haviland) and guys with good stuff but iffy performance (Ross, Hunter, Marks I guess, Figueroa). After that you get into the really speculative guys like Krol and Morla and the lower-round draft picks. Somewhere in there is Simmons who I really can’t figure out at all right now.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Ynoa?

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Sep 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

He. Does. Not. Exist.

And

They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!

by muffinpryde on Sep 8, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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