The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about

by batterbatter on Sep 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT Comment 68 comments

Landon Powell should get a serious look as a FT player next season. It will be inconceiveable that Powell should ride the bench half the time when the entire team is in desperate need of offense. Since Suzuki is locked in as C and we have a glaring hole at 1B (I count Brett Wallace as a 3B), should Powell be given a shot as our everyday 1B next year? At this point, even if he makes 30 errors at first, his bats should more than make up for it. Or am I being too optimistic about Powell's abilities given the small sample size?

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Question really is:

Is Landon Powell a better hitter than Jack Cust? Evidence says no.
But DH is the only realistic spot for Landon Powell to play everyday.

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by King Richard on Sep 6, 2009 3:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

but he is cheaper

than Cust.

by sourstuff on Sep 6, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So am I

..but you’re not gonna pencil me in every day

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Sep 6, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kinda creepy,

I was just typing up pretty much the same comment word for word.

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by travdog6 on Sep 6, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can you hit like Powell?

by ozzman99 on Sep 7, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can Powell hit like Cust?

My only point is that cost really has very little to do with the decision, since Powell’s probably not good or healthy enough to DH full-time. Cust at Xmillion at DH is still better than Powell at Xhundred thousand if you’re looking for performance.

Wanna talk about how there might be better trade or free agent options at DH than Cust? Go ahead. But Powell’s not the solution at DH. No matter how much people want to get rid of Cust because of his strickouts!!1.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Sep 7, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have a problem with the K's

What bothers me is the drop in power and walks. And the fact that his performance is getting worse from year to year. And the fact that he’s already 30 and likely on the downhill side of his career. Powell may only be 3 years younger, but he’s got a better chance of improving on this year’s performance than Cust does. And why wouldn’t Powell be healthy enough to DH full time?

Another point is that since it’s unlkely that the A’s are going to compete next year, it makes a whole lot more sense to use the DH spot to give AB’s to guys like Powell, Barton, Everidge and Wallace than to waste them on Cust, with whom the only question is, how much worse will he be going forward? I mean realistically, Cust will not be a part of this team when it finally returns to contention, so what’s the point of keeping him?

by ozzman99 on Sep 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And why wouldn’t Powell be healthy enough to DH full time?

Have you ever watched this guy run around the bases? Looks like ‘perma-pain’ to me

In play, tease(s)? by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT

by brian.only on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why would you think Powell has a better chance of improving on this performance?

Cust has shown he’s a really good hitter, and there’s good reason to believe that at least some of his troubles stem from his approach being messed with.

Powell’s career AAA line, as well as his career major league line, are no better than Cust THIS YEAR. I can see an argument for looking for a new home for Cust, but not to get Powell into the DH slot.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Powell

He was a highly-regarded hitter coming out of college, he missed a great deal of development time due to injuries in the minors, and for the first time in his career, he can concentrate on hitting and not on catching too. It’s not uncommon for catchers to hit better in the majors than they did in the minors.

Cust will be 31 next year. His performance this year is worse than last year which was worse than the year before. All of his value is in his ability to hit home runs and walk, and he’s doing less and less of that.

These are the reasons I think Powell has a better chance to improving next year than Cust.

by ozzman99 on Sep 9, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, first of all,

everyone does want to talk about it, as it’s certainly an interesting question.

Problem is, I don’t think Landon Powell is capable of playing everyday, even in the DH spot. He had a major injury a year ago while he was running the bases. He’s got a long ways to go to prove he can be healthy enough to play everyday. Even if he is healthy, there’s the question of whether his bat is good enough to warrant playing him in a DH/1B role. I don’t think it is.

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by travdog6 on Sep 6, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

But by next year...

shouldn’t the injury fully heal? I understand the catcher position is the most physically demanding position but is the injury so debilitating that Powell can’t even play 1B for about 100+ games?

by batterbatter on Sep 6, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's physically fit enough to play 100+ games.

It’s not the actual injury that worries me/makes me doubtful, it’s the history of getting injured that does.

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by travdog6 on Sep 6, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say

we ride him until he breaks down. We got nothing to lose except a backup catcher. Backup catchers are a dime a dozen.

by batterbatter on Sep 6, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Backup catchers are a dime a dozen.

Backup catchers that can hit 25-30 HR’s are not a dime a dozen.

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by adragon on Sep 6, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree.

He’s an exceptionally valuable/talented catcher. I say we go easy on him, and incrementally increase his playing time.

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by travdog6 on Sep 6, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Having a backup catcher who

hits well in limited playing time is a huge asset. Backup catcher is a position you have to fill, and if you get one of those dime-a-dozen guys he’s going to hit like one.

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by iglew on Sep 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This

Bowen, Melhuse ring a bell- spelled auto-out? Well that’s if Melhuse had ever actually played.
I think we also get too comfortable w/ Kurt’s stamina- this is the A’s we’re talking about.

In play, tease(s)? by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT

by brian.only on Sep 7, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

scan the recent posts before double posting a topic.

by PL78 on Sep 7, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with all of this

Especially since batterbatter basically replicated the other post, in fewer words. What really gets me is that batterbatter basically crapped all over DFA in the Kazmir post, which DFA spent a goodly amount of effort on, but then throws up this thing and expects it to stick.

Also, Powell has autoimmune hepatitis. If I heard/read correctly, the medication for this was a major cause of his chronic hamstring issues this season. He may need to continue this course of medication for a very long time, and may need a liver transplant in the future (as noted in the above-link). This does not sound like someone you would want to bank on, even for just a season or two (disclaimer – despite my handle, I am not a medical doctor).

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by doctorK on Sep 7, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

His/her previous post is

this….

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by travdog6 on Sep 8, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never heard this before.....I have been wondering all season about the injury.

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by BERRYJO on Sep 8, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you ought to go back and look at a post from about three days ago

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by Flashfire on Sep 6, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I HAF SAID

NO VUN VANTS TO TALK ABOUT ZIS!

by Nate on Sep 6, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Should Powell be given a shot as our everyday 1B next year?"

No.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

How disappointing

I thought this was finally a fanpost about Stomper.

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by Nico on Sep 6, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Me too. Of any team in baseball, we're the logical choice to have an elephant in the room.

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by JJ Martin on Sep 6, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a donkey so elephants scare me.

Powell does seem to have some health issues so maybe he’s going to be a swing guy. The A’s could use him at DH against LHP and maybe some 1B. He could catch 1 or 2 times a week and hopefully this gets him 250-300 AB’s.

I doubt he’ll ever be a full time player and no hitter is worth starting if he has 30(!) errors at 1B.

by sirbed on Sep 6, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

It would be great to try to get him more ABs against LH in the upcoming month

because his line this year against LH is .148/.258/.296. In his minor league career his L/R splits were almost even. If he can pull his numbers against LHs up to par he’d be an even bigger asset to the team.

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by Nick on Sep 6, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant RHP....I'm a dumb donkey

but you’re right Nick he should get as many at bats against LHP as well. Let’s see what he can do against both types of pitchers.

by sirbed on Sep 6, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Powell's a good enough hitter that he should get more ABs

AS A CATCHER. But he is absolutely not good enough to play 1B or DH. I find this oft-repeated idea quite insane.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Until he proves he can't do it, I say he should get one start a week as a catcher and up to two at DH

I don’t think that’s insane at all.

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by Flashfire on Sep 6, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now this is a good idea

He should have between 3-4 starts a week. He needs more at bats because he has earned them.

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by adragon on Sep 6, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He shouldn't get those extra ABs

because the A’s have so many good hitters it might keep one of them out of the lin— PFFFFKKKK

Dang, I almost made it without cracking up.

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by Nico on Sep 6, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what you mean by proves he can't do it.

In nearly 300 minor league games he’s put up an .800 OPS. Even if he somehow (as 27-yr old, at his peak) hit exactly the same in the majors as he did over a large sample in the minors, he STILL would be a below average offensive 1B/DH, while being a terrible defensive 1B.

And, of course, he’s extremely likely to be a worse hitter than that. Frankly, I expect him to be about as good a hitter as Ryan Sweeney—very good for a backup catcher, very very bad for an offense-first position like 1B or DH.

If we absolutely know we’re not going to contend, then I think it would be a much better use of resources to give Powell his extra ABs by just playing him at C more, I’d say a strict platoon with Suzuki—yes, yes I know Suzuki has a reverse platoon split, but such splits are usually flukes, and the real point of it is just to give the man some rest and Powell some ABs. They’ll both be more effective that way. Actually, remove the if we’re not contending caveat. We should do that anyway.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Said another way:

In a year in which Powell is probably playing a little over his head (he has almost exactly the same OPS as his career AAA line), and Jack Cust is having by far the worst season of his career, they have exactly the same 107 OPS+.

So I ask you this: If Jack Cust had no minor or major league history of being a better hiter than this, would you want him to play 3-4 times a week as a 1B or DH?

by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't care about the minors at this point

I care about what he’s doing with the A’s, right now.

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by Flashfire on Sep 6, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay...

Minor league numbers don’t matter? I think we just officially entered “we lack the mutual premises to even have an argument” territory.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 7, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I think we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this

You’re basically saying that since Powell was nothing special in the Minors he’ll never be anything special in the Majors and there’s no point in giving him a chance past a game or two a week.

I’m saying that what happened in the Minors is not necessarily what will happen in the Majors. The odds of him being anything special aren’t very high but based on his play this season I believe he’s earned at least three games a week catching and DHing. If he regresses like Everidge did after the hot start, that’s the way it goes. Again, the odds are in favor of that happening. But especially now, there’s no reason not to give him the chance just in case he ends up better than what he did in the Minors.

So again, I don’t really care what he was doing in the Minors and I care more about what he’s doing right now.

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by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I could not have said it better.....

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by mrod on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eric Patterson's great in the Minors, so he should at least be good in the Majors

Not always the way things work out.

And, sometimes, every once in a while, you get late bloomers. For only playing in about 25% of the team’s games this season and often with four or five days between games, Powell’s playing fairly well. As tough as it is to play well on a daily basis, it’s even harder when you get in once every few games.

We can’t say yet whether or not Powell is a late bloomer who just never put together a really good full season in the Minors and he’s only getting occasional playing time now, but here we are talking about it mainly because over the past month it seems every time he’s got a hit he’s knocked in a run and he’s had some big hits in important situations. The average isn’t great but since the ASB and especially in the past month or so, his power numbers are solid. SSS of course, but the numbers are there to look at and he’s actually got some pretty good home splits right now too.

I see no reason not to give him a few more chances to see how well he does with a little more playing time. Why not? Again, it’s not like I’m lobbying for him to be in the lineup every day. I don’t know if he could do it anyway, physically. If he keeps it up, he stays in there more often. If he tails off, you cut his time back again.

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by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It'd be different if Powell were 23.

I guess I see your point, I would just rather see Barton, who I don’t believe in but do more than Powell, get as many ABs as possible. It’s not that Powell has zero chance of being 120 OPS+ hitter (like you say, he could be a late bloomer, or the injuries could have kept him from reaching his potential but he’ll find it now), but there’s nothing in his history that suggests he will.

Barton, on the other hand, probably will never amount to anything, but I think he’s got a lot better chance than Powell (say, 10%), based on his age, scouting profile, defense and minor league numbers. Give him a chance to reach his upside, and if he doesn’t get there, make way for Wallace/Carter/Doolittle.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't want Powell taking a single AB away from Barton at 1B

In fact, I don’t want Crosby or Garciaparra doing that either. I think Barton should get every game at first the rest of the season and see if he’s really figuring it out all over again or if he’s just going to be a placeholder for the others you mentioned.

I just don’t think past performance is always a guarantee of future performance. The odds are in favor of people being what they’ve been (they are who we thought they were!) but at least when the team isn’t in a playoff race I think that’s a good time to see if what Powell’s doing is just a fluke or evidence of something better.

We probably see more eye-to-eye on Powell and Suzuki just about splitting time, at least for the rest of the season. That’d get Powell his extra ABs just fine if he can handle it physically. If he can’t, well, that would answer a lot of other questions right there.

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by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interestingly, Suzuki is an example

of someone who didn’t hit all that well in the minors — not that he hit poorly, but IIRC he hit about the way he has hit in the majors.

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by Nico on Sep 7, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've come to view a player's minor league line

as a decent back-of-the-envelope approximation of a player’s CEILING in the majors. I.e. if everything works out for the best for him, he might be that good, but it’s not too likely.

This does need to be adjusted for players who have consistently been unusually young or old for their leagues, however.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess we did have sufficient premises to argue,

because now we agree!

I’m sorry if I seemed snippy below.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's cool

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by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, what he's doing with the A's, right now, ain't good enough (for a 1B/DH)..

Though I understand that because you regard minor league performance as meaningless, you don’t think he’s been given enough time to show he ain’t good enough.

by Elston Gunn on Sep 7, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not good enough for a full-time 1B/DH but that's not what I'm asking for

I’m asking for catching once or twice a week and DHing once or twice a week, for now. Not an everyday starter.

And I don’t regard Minor League performance as meaningless, so please don’t put words in my mouth. Saying I don’t care about the Minors relative to what he’s done this year with the A’s does not equal what you seem to think it does.

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by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A decent hitting catcher as a below average offensive 1B/DH...

You mean like Barton?

(glovework at 1b excepted)

by elhefe on Sep 7, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, yeah, actually.

Barton has the far better minor league track record (it’s still not all that mind-blowing), and the far worse major league track record (that is, he has a much larger sample that says he’s not good enough), although Barton still has major age and health factors on his side.

I doubt Barton ends up ever being more than average, but with good 1B defense, and his age, he has a lot better chance than Powell (as a 1B at least).

by Elston Gunn on Sep 7, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was going to be about my aunt

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by Flashfire on Sep 6, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aunt Bertha? The one who gives "sloppy kisses" and never shaves?

We may share the same aunt.

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by Nico on Sep 6, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mine's a religious freak

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by Flashfire on Sep 6, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was

so damn funny….

by Colorado Booze Hounds on Sep 6, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

but does she fall down the steps, and is she a bigfoot Gus

by theblackpearl on Sep 6, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's an Eddie Murphy reference!

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by rhymeswithelephant on Sep 6, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A lifetime membership to AN.

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by OldhamA on Sep 7, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Landon Powell...

Kinda reminds me of the Frank Thomas situation. Granted big Frank never played in the field for the A’s, he did play nearly every day as the DH. He was never used for more than 3, maybe 4 consecutive games and never played a day game after a night game iirc. I think Powell could handle 2-3 consecutive games at 1st and 3-4 as a DH. He will need to run like Frank, station to station. His production cannot be ignored and een though the sample size is small, he has proven that he can get hits with RISP. I think he should be given a shot in the spring when he is fresh to see if he can handle 2-3 consecutive games at first. If not, use him instead of cust at DH against lefties and continue to play him every 5th day or so behind the plate while mixing in the occassional start at 1b

by JustinIcon19 on Sep 6, 2009 10:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

I don't think you recall correctly about Big Hurt

In 2006, Thomas played 137 games for the A’s, and had a stint on the 15-day DL that cost him 14 games. After coming off the DL on June 30th, it looks from his game log as if he played every single game for the rest of the year.

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by Nick on Sep 7, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I am almost positive

that the DL stint was at least in part because he was hurt right at the start of interleague play. (not that anyone wants to hear about them, but I had him on my fantasy team that year). I seem to remember that they were not sure he would need a full 15 days, but they also knew that for at least part of that time he would have had less of a role even at full strength, so why not take advantage of it.

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by 5Aces on Sep 7, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some ABs

The A’s should get him some ABs at 1b but I rather have a real 1b in there. The A’s should let him play some spring games there to get ready and use him as a backup and platoon at 1st.

by Arcman on Sep 6, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Autoimmune hepatitis?

I’m not a doctor (nor do I play one in any form, even video games) but from my understanding, Powell basically has to take meds everyday for this, and possibly need a liver transplant somewhere down the line in his life. He’s healthly relatively (and people have live long, “healthly” lives with this condition), and he’s in better physical conditioning than I ever will be, but would it play a factor in whether or not he can stand the rigors of playing 140+ games a season?

Again, I’m no doctor, but all these discussions of Powell and playing time, people bring up his “health”, but only talk about the knee surgeries (which is important for a catcher, I know). Figured I’d ask to satisfy my own curiousity (and opinion).

by Kaiser99 on Sep 6, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The elephant in the room that no one's talking about...

I thought that was the fact that human population will soon outgrow Earth’s capacity to feed said human population was the elephant in the room no one’s talking about.

As for Powell, I always thought he was more of a hippo than an elephant.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 7, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs