Rajai Davis — to be or not to be?
I'm back to discuss another of our current outfielders, and once again to make the case for his extended reign over the green grasses of the Coliseum.
Yes, this has been discussed before. But it needs to be discussed again.
Here's the question: should Rajai Davis be the starting center fielder on the A's in 2010, and the deeper question, does Rajai Davis deserve to be a starter on a good team...? (Hopefully these questions will be one and the same because the A's will be a good contending team next year! Right...? hopefully...? I'm always optimistic)
Obviously, the reason I'm writing this fanpost is that I think the answer to both questions should be an unequivocal yes.
Join me after the jump for statistical evidence to back up my bold thesis!
According to Fangraphs, Rajai Davis has accrued 3.3 Wins Above Replacement so far this year, in 298 PA.His defense has been worth 14.4 runs and his offense has been worth 8.3 runs. Plus, he plays centerfield, one of the hardest positions on the diamond.
3.3 WAR in 298 PAs! That's ridiculous. Over 600 PAs, which if healthy, a leadoff-style hitter like Rajai should get in a year, that is 6.6 WAR! Yes, you read that right. 6.6 WAR is very high. An average all-star will be worth about 4 WAR in a season. For some context, Evan Longoria this year, with his stats extrapolated over 600 PAs will be worth about 6 WAR. Yes, Rajai Davis has been arguably more valuable per PA this year than Evan Longoria, and he's no schmuck.
Now the obvious argument is that Rajai Davis cannot maintain this kind of production. This is an understandable argument, and one which I could personally go either way on. So in fact, assuming that Rajai Davis regresses to his 2007 stats between the Pirates and the Giants, let's take a look at his numbers from that year.
In 219 PAs in 2007, Rajai Davis was worth 1 WAR. This extrapolates to a 2.7 WAR full season. Not all-star worthy, but definitely above average, and cheap... But when one looks at Davis' numbers from 2007, something stands out. He was worth only 0.4 fielding runs. His range, according to UZR, was negative. This could be chalked up to small sample size, or it's quite possible that he has drastically improved his routes in the outfield since then, making him a plus-plus defender. Either way, if one is to assume that he won't lose his outfielding abilities, and plugs in his career outfield numbers, in his 379 innings from 2007, he would be worth 4.8 fielding runs. This adjustment makes his 2007 numbers (w/ altered fielding) worth about 1.4 WAR. Once again, over 600 PAs, Davis is worth about 3.8 WAR. A borderline all-star.
So really, the only question is: Is 2008 his real skill level? Because Rajai Davis was not a very good hitter in 2008. He was worth -6.8 offensive runs last year. Pretty bad. His defense, however, was worth 4.9 runs, and with the CF adjustment, he was still 0.6 wins above replacement in 2008. If his 226 PAs are extrapolated over the entire season, he would accrue roughly 1.6 WAR. Below average, but not terrible and still worth more than $7million on the free agent market.
So, as I see it, Rajai Davis in two of his three seasons as a major leaguer has been an all-star or better. In the other season, he was below average, but still a bargain. I personally think his true offensive skill level is probably more along the lines of his 2007, but it's possible that's not actually the case. His ISO has gradually gone up each year in the majors, and in his last year in AAA his offensive output was similar to this year's, with an even higher ISO.
So, AN, what do you think?
Does Raj Davis have what it takes?
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kind of misleading
his hot streak consists of 225 ab’s , its not so easy to just assume he’ll produce similar over 600 ab’s. Yes the speed, stolen bases, defense are legit, but he’ll also be 29 in a couple months. Its more likely that he’s having a nice stretch of games than a breakthrough season. If he continues to be a good 4th/5th OF, there’s nothing wrong with that. Maybe he fills a similar role like a jay payton was a few yrs ago. I expect the everyday CF eventually to be sweeney or brown/desme
by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 4, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But even assuming this hot streak is entirely uncharecteristic of what's to come,
Davis has still been good enough to start in his other chances.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 4, 2009 6:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
if hes been good enough to start
how come he hasnt and got released by the giants then. i think its hard to judge a player off of one statistic, even if its advanced. i would not consider raj an all star player ever, but a good 4th if possible
by thewhizkid on Sep 4, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why did the Giants release him?
Why do the Giants do anything? Why did they sign Rich Aurillia?
by cityplANner on Sep 4, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I heard that there was a roster crunch situation and Rajai was the casualty.
There were some Giants fans pretty pissed about it when I went to one of the A’s-Giants games last year after we got him.
by LoneStranger on Sep 5, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that
there were too many players in the ourfield, some were vets who were owed lots of money while others had only cups of coffee for the outfield…Rajai was out of options and they gambled on keeping the vets and sent down whoever wasn’t out of options.
by OaklandSi on Sep 5, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which virtually happened this year with the A's
Except that Beane, and not 1/2 of AN, was running the team.
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by Nico on Sep 5, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half?
Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 5, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, more like 95% (including yours truly)
by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't let me finish
I meant 1/2 of AN, plus another 45% of AN.
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by Nico on Sep 6, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take pride in the fact that I held out for two months,
defending Rajai through the end of April and not joining the time-to-DFA him camp until early May.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 6, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you're the prince,
and the rest of us are just Dulcibellas.
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by Nico on Sep 6, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, Raj
didn’t help himself going something like 1 for 21.
by sf drift king on Sep 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This shows a misunderstanding of WAR.
WAR is not a single stat, but rather the amalgamation of a series of defensive and offensive statistics.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 4, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was meant as a reply to thewizkid's comment...
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 4, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAR.... good god, y'all
what is it good for?
actually, quite a bit.
say it again.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 6, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
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by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM
music/stat amalgam category?
by cityplANner on Sep 7, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Significant other
Rich was signed because his significant other can hit. She knocked in the winning run vs, the A’s SQ’s.
by Graybeard on Sep 4, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beane
This is why I don’t envy Beane when he has to evaluate a player who played lights out for half a season while sluming in the previous 3 seasons or so. I think Davis’ ability to steal bases has always be present; the problem is getting him on base. He could be hitting .220 next yr or .290. Beane is gonna earn his keep to make sure he got it right.
by batterbatter on Sep 5, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I'd note
is that his “previous 3 seasons” consisted of a whopping 255 PAs.
by Nate on Sep 5, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
couldn’t you make the argument that the reason he got a grand total of 255 PAs in 3 years is because he sucked so badly and has to languished in the minors?
by batterbatter on Sep 5, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he didn't languish in the minors.
In 2007, the last year he spent in the minors, he had a .318/.384/.469 batting line for Pittsburgh’s AAA team.
In fact, he’s got a .305 career minor league average. You say “he could be hitting .220 next year” when the only time in his professional career when there hasn’t been a long stint at any level where he hit below .260.
by Nate on Sep 5, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What then?
If he doesn’t suck in the minors and has no history of major injuries, why does he have a grand total of 688 major league ABs at the ripe baseball age of soon-to-be 29? Is it because he is black? flirted with communism? has an openly gay lifestyle? has a sex tape floating around the net? Or do you think he is a late bloomer?
I think he has an incredible 2 months but I don’t believe he should be richly rewarded for those 2 months. I’m also a huge skeptic of a player piling up huge numbers on a bad team. I’d like to see him duplicate those numbers when the A’s are fighting for a wildcard.
by batterbatter on Sep 5, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what difference does it make
whether or not the a’s are doing well?
i think ur right to be skeptical about why rajai is doing so well now, i dont think the a’s being so bad has helped rajai perform any better than he normally wouldve though.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 5, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Last homestand against the Angels, the A’s leading the division by 1 gm against the Angels. Bottom of the 9th, Angels leading by 1 , bases loaded, Raj Davis at the plate….or Angels leading by 1 going to the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, Davis at 1B trying to steal second, Sweeney at the plate…
You honestly don’t think a player behave and play differently when their team is in the thick of a playoff hunt?
by batterbatter on Sep 5, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the short answer is no.
it probably went right over my head, but ur lil scenario seemed to have no relevence to anything, except for the a’s being in a (hypothetical) playoff race.
i would say a high-pressure game down the stretch would raise the nerves for a lot of players. however…
1. there’s no way to know whether or not they help or hurt rajai, unless you look at real small sample size numbers.
2. given the number of young a’s OFers on the big club and triple-A, I would think Rajai is kind of at the point where it’s shit or get off the pot, meaning regardless of how well the team plays, each of rajai’s games/at bats will affect his status with the team next year. so in that respect, every game for rajai is a “high-pressure” game, to some extent.
Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!
by naq92 on Sep 5, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Plus, he plays centerfield"
His position is included in the WAR number, right?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 5, 2009 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also,
Doesn’t everybody in Center garden get the positional adjustment?
by Future Ed on Sep 5, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
positional adjustment is definitely in WAR
by colin on Sep 5, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know,
I was just trying to break down the different parts of WAR for those who don’t know the stat inside and out…
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He has to be, at the very least, competing for the job in Spring
He’s at least earned that. He really has been sensational since he was inserted into the starting lineup. And it’s not like the 3B situation with Chavez. If Rajai sucks, Ryan Sweeney goes in, not Jack Hannahan. The A’s don’t need to sign a CF.
by AgitationStation on Sep 5, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t think we can draw any real solid conclusions on what type of baseball player Rajai Davis is just yet. Hopefully he can get full time at bats until he stops deserving them. It’s great that we have a passable backup in Sweeney as well. There’s also the chance that Hairston could be a valuable CF as well, but he hasn’t convinced me.
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by travdog6 on Sep 5, 2009 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely reaping the benefits of a high BABIP.
Using that awesome xBABIP calculator from Hardball Times, his xBABIP is 0.318. His real BABIP is 0.352. This hot streak is based on a huge helping of luck.
On the plus side, his walk rate is up by almost 5% from last year, and his strikeouts are down by more than 2%. Of course, no one’s expecting him to be a 6.6 WAR player, but if he continues to put up sparkling CF defense (he’d be best in the league in UZR if he qualified), he’s still a solid player, even assuming a heavy regression in his bat.
by danmerqury on Sep 5, 2009 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Surely some of it is luck
but doesn’t it stand to reason that a player with Rajai’s wheels is going to have a higher BABIP than the average player?
Anyway, he doesn’t need to be a great offensive player with his defense. Going into next year, he’s clearly our best option in center, and he’s still cheap next year. In 2011, hopefully either Brown or Desme is ready to compete for the job.
The only scenario I see in which having Sweeney or Hairston in center is if we acquire a serious bat to play a corner outfield position. It would make sense to sacrifice some defense if we could significantly upgrade the offense. I’m skeptical that will happen.
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by jeepers on Sep 5, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really need 2 serious bats to get Davis out of the lineup now, since the first one would
replace Sweeney or Barton. Then the second one would either replace the Sweeney/Barton survivor or Davis. I’d give him the CF job and worry about CF after fixing RF and 1B…and SS and 3B.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 5, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely.
That xBABIP calculator asks for, among all of the batted ball data, the number of stolen bases. It uses that as a measure of speed. Granted, it’s not the greatest measure of a player’s ability to beat out the throw to first, but it’ll work in a pinch.
On their website, they claim to be currently working on a better version of xBABIP, which will probably move toward a better measure of speed. Something like Fangraphs “Speed” score, I’d imagine. And as an aside, Rajai is near tops in the league in Speed as well.
by danmerqury on Sep 5, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.318 IS a higher BABIP than the average player
League average is about .300. It’s quite reasonable that a player with Davis’s skillset might have an above-average BABIP (although .318 still sounds high given his very strong tendency to pull the ball— maybe defenses just haven’t caught on yet).
.352 is pretty ridiculous. That’s Ichiro territory.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's really not trying to pull everything as much anymore
Sometimes he shoots the pitch down the right field line, and other times he pokes at the hole between 1B and 2B. It’s one of the things I think has allowed Rajai to improve as a hitter — instead of just pulling a lot of fly balls he’s now aiming to hit more balls on the ground and more balls to all fields.
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by Nico on Sep 7, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed this, too.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the stats aside
The A’s need to start showing some consistency from season to season. A starting OF of Harrison/Davis/Sweeney projects to be a decent starting OF for seasons to come. I really don’t see any other options in house at the moment. I really don’t care if Cust comes back next season, but if he does I don’t expect him to see ANY OF time. If Buck can actually get his shit head together I see him as a logical 4th OF. Unless Rajai significantly regresses next season i see no need to replace him unless a sweeter than sweet deal pops up in the offseason. I don’t think Wolff is going to be willing to spend the $$ on a power hitting corner OF.
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by BleedGreen on Sep 5, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Sweeney projects to be anything decent.
At least not in a corner, and quite frankly, he doesn’t deserve to play over Rajai in center. I guess he’s good enough to keep a seat warm for Chris Carter, though.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 5, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney is already
“decent” but I don’t want to mince words here. Passable may be a better word choice, but alas….
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by BleedGreen on Sep 5, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to sound like a broken record, as I've made this argument before, but
Sweeney’s incredible defense makes him an above average player. Last time I checked, he’s been worth 2.4 WAR so far this year, despite his below average offense.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 7, 2009 6:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Really, I'd go w/ an OF of
Davis, Hairston, Buck & Cunningham
Sweeney is not a corner OF solution. At least Buckingham have a higher projectable ceiling than Sweeney and I’d like to see if they could stick at the position for our 2011 title run.
by cityplANner on Sep 7, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that can only mean one thing:
Cust won’t be back because Chavy is penciled in to take the majority of his ABs at DH.
by sf drift king on Sep 6, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cust's job is safe.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Sep 6, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's should at least pencil him in starting at CF
and leading off. Actually he should be leading off now — and for the past month. He’s still young enough to be a speedy basestealer and defender for at least a few more years, as long as he stays healthy.
If he doesn’t work out then they’ll get rid of him — simple as that.
by OaklandSi on Sep 5, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Like they got rid of
Bobby Crosby.
;)
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by BleedGreen on Sep 5, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has played better than Crosby
and he makes a lot less money
by OaklandSi on Sep 5, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has been able to seriously affect a number of opposing players
he distracts them, he bothers them.
Crosby, on the other hand…need I say more?
by OaklandSi on Sep 5, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Crosby distracts and bothers me.
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by Nico on Sep 5, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relent, Nico
for Crosbino has but one month left in Green and Gold! Adieu, failed top prospect, adieu.
by darooster on Sep 7, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that before.......
but this time I think you are correct. Oh happy end of a contract!!
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by BERRYJO on Sep 9, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To run, perchance to steal,
Aye, there’s the rub
by bobnothing on Sep 5, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For in that steal of second
What throws may come must give us pause
by still bills kingdom on Sep 5, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a tagger I see before me?
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by Nico on Sep 5, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alas, poor Eric, I knew thee well.
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by Nick on Sep 5, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times hath he borne Beane's team on his back?
by still bills kingdom on Sep 6, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Rajai?
It is nor glove, nor sock,
Nor bat, nor cap, nor any other part
Belonging to a player.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 7, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are your web gems now?
Your dives, your throws, your flashes of brilliance that were wont to set the crowd on a roar?
by darooster on Sep 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm working on a followup to this
I have friends visiting at the moment, so it might take a little longer
by bobnothing on Sep 5, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whether tis nobler on the diamond to suffer
the pitchouts and pick-off attempts of outrageous baserunning
or to rely on station-to-station movement and by relenting end them.
To be tagged out, to run no more.
by darooster on Sep 7, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great fanpost, King Richard
I enjoyed the stats and the fangraphs data, as well as the comps to what other CFs have done.
I see absolutely no chance that he’s not the opening CF in ‘10. Beane has practically said as much, with a comment a few months ago to the effect that "he’s here to stay." This team is gonna be trotting out as many $400K guys as it can – that’s why I anticipate that Ryan Sweeney and Cliff Pennington will continue to have starting jobs, even though they are clearly not starting-caliber for first-division teams. They are what the A’s will be next year – a group of starters on a second-division team.
It also plays to Rajai’s favor that he’s very exciting to watch, an excellent story, a terrific person, and an outstanding African-American influence on a team that will have Chris Carter and Jemile Weeks up on the big club within a few years.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 5, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"what the A’s will be next year – a group of starters on a second-division team"
That sounds about right to me. A good year in 2010 would be 80 or so wins if the pitching is decent. 2011 hopefully will have some people coming up who can make this team fun to watch again.
by rovingralph on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate it, NSJ.
I think you’re right, that the offense will be for the most part, “a group of starters on a second-division team.” But I still have hope that the pitching will progress enough that the A’s could be a playoff team, especially in the AL West, next year.
If we assume Brett Anderson continues to become the ace that he is becoming, Gio continues to improve, Mazzaro remembers that control is important, Braden stays healthy, and Cahill learns another pitch (come on, pitching coaches!) (not to mention the possibility of Outman or Simmons or someone I’m forgetting right now), our rotation could be top caliber.
A great rotation and a league-average offense could certainly be enough to get the A’s into the playoffs in 2010.
And I still think there’s a good chance that Rajai will be better than average.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 6, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the greatness that is Bret Tomko!
;<}
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Sep 6, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True!
If we can manage to resign Brett Tomko (fingers crossed!!!!11), he’ll probably be worth about 60 WAR next season, making us a 120 win team by himself!
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 6, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai
he does get my attention when he’s on base and he’s fun to watch. Include Corey Wimberly in that mix. Not sure if he’s starter material, but a Marco Scutaro type utility player perhaps? I enjoyed watching his Ozzie-smith like summersaults in ST.
by sf drift king on Sep 6, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion.....
If Rajai is a super-elite fielder, and costs nothing then he starts without question.
It is just icing on the cake that he is a nice guy and speedy on the bases.
He is quickly becoming my favourite A. If I get his autograph today I think I’ll JIMP.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Sep 6, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I opened the window and a breeze rolled in and I...
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
by dtownmbrown on Sep 8, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's problems
First he was a platoon player which is famous for Geren’s lineups. Please Geren just platoon the players that need to be platooned like Sweeney and Cust vs left handed pitchers or sit Hairston vs some right handed pitchers. Stats don’t lie.
Second the A’s need Davis speed at the top of the lineup. When a pitcher needs to hold a runner they are more likely to throw fastballs which are easier to hit than a slider in the dirt. Davis creates a attitude that the A’s can score if he is on first something the A’s have lacked the last couple of years.
by Arcman on Sep 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Being a platoon player is a bad thing
It means his rate stats are likely to be inflated. I for one don’t believe the “WAR extrapolated to full seasons’ worth of plate appearances” business in the OP for a minute.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote about him...
a month earlier . My feelings about him haven’t changed much, although he’s improved somewhat in the bunting and fielding department. As a 4th outfielder, i definitely see him in the teams plans, but as a 29 year old peaking w/ arby coming up? Not sure I would invest that type of money for a half season hot streak….
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by ST on Sep 6, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One more year until arby.
That’s what makes him a no-brainer for next year.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 6, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he a Super 2 this coming year?
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by ST on Sep 6, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he super enough?
Founding member of the Eric Patterson fan club.
by travdog6 on Sep 7, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was so wrong about Davis.
I’m still not sure he’s a long term answer, but he’s about the 7th biggest problem we have at the moment. That said, he is about to be 29. I think the options are, let him have the job in 2010 and basically audition for ‘11 (if ’11’s really our year, then I don’t want a high-risk Corey Brown or Grant Desme potentially sandbagging our hopes when we have a perfectly good other option), or trade him with his value’s at an all-time high. Both sound pretty good to me, and I couldn’t be happier with his progress.
(Yes, this hot streak is probably a fluke, but what’s so persuasive about this fanpost is that it points out that EVEN IF IT IS A FLUKE, he’s still probably good.)
by Elston Gunn on Sep 6, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
I’m still not sure he’s a long term answer, but he’s about the 7th biggest problem we have at the moment.
We have much bigger “problems” to worry about besides a well-performing, cheap and enthused CF scrapping to keep his job.
Once y’all figure out the 3B and SS issues, then we can worry about Rajai. In the meanwhile, I’m going to enjoy watching him rent space in opposing pitchers’ heads, make spectacular catches and generally reminding us that there is a place for Smallball in our game.
I think all the Rickey fanfare inspired him and he realized, “Hey I could be like him!” and started to turn on the speed and guile.
by HardensGirl on Sep 7, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this discussion will be more serious this time next year..............
…..when Rajai is about to start costing some serious coin.
He should easily and obviously be starting CF from now until then.
I really wouldn’t mind if we buy his arb. years cheaply, because after them he’ll be 33, and unfortunately he’ll probably be DO NOT WANT. :-(
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Sep 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's been a tendency on AN
to presume arb years=expensive. I mean yeah, they’re more expensive than pre-arb, but they’re by definition below-market prices. I would say let’s get some sense that what we’ve seen this season has been the “real” Rajai Davis, or just what his real baseline is, and at that point proceed accordingly. Presuming that Davis makes Super Two status after this year, go with the one year deal, start him in 2010, and if he’s someone we want to keep, buy out his arb years. If not, SOMEONE out there will want a speedy CF.
by Nate on Sep 7, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is impossible to see
if he sucked because he wasn’t given a decent chance to play, or was he not given a chance to play because he sucked.
It is clear that now, the first time he has been able to feel secure in his job and play many games in a row, he is playing well. I think it is fantastic having such a dynamic player playing every day, and as far as a losing team goes, entertainment is about all you can get. He provides.
by Chilango on Sep 7, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It does help that he's no longer trying to impress everyone by hacking at every pitch
Why anyone would adopt such a strategy on the A’s, of all teams, is beyond me, but it’s fairly clear that’s what was going on with him last season. And the results were horrible, so abandoning it was the correct move.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him
Value’s at its peak right now. His career is about to enter its decline phase. And he’s gotten to the point where he can actually command a serious return.
A .700-ish OPS and good defense from a centerfielder is fine, but it’s not going to win championships. The A’s need to do better than that, or at least wait around until they have a bunch of other very good players before filling out there roster with Rajai Davis types.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I think that would send a terrible message to the team
while leaving the A’s with CF replacement options that aren’t any better.
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by Nico on Sep 7, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, I don't give a banana about "messages"
and don’t really care about replacement options, either, since it does not appear that the team is in a contending mood for next season. Sign Marlon Byrd if you want a similar, better player for not that much money.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that because you think the idea
that they’re playing for a team that wants to “sell high” on any player who gets good has no significant effect at all on the players who remain behind, or because you think it’s just as likely to inspire them to do better (so that they too can get off the team) as to demoralize them?
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by iglew on Sep 7, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, I think people will read whatever "message" they want into any move
Second, I don’t think “messages” have any noticeable effect on play.
Third, I reject the implied assumption that any putative “message” would in any sense be a negative one.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I always think its a good idea to leave one ant carcass as a “message” to the colony to STAY OUT OF MY SUGAR!
by Future Ed on Sep 8, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, you are so wrong.
The ants’ reaction to that will be: “Some other ant went there, so now I want to go there too.” Seriously, this is the fundamental principle of ant movement. There’s a great chapter about it in one of Richard Feynman’s books.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 8, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno PT, there have been some light hitting OFs on winning teams
I might be putting my head into the lion’s maw right now, but:
2007 red sox – coco crisp .712 OPS
2006 Cardinals – So Taguchi .686 OPS
2005 White Sox – Aaron Rowand .736 OPS Scott Podsednik OPS .700
2004 red sox – Gabe Kapler .700 OPS
I mean, it’d probably be easier to win one with a .700ish OPS and good defense centerfielder, but it’s been done before.
by cityplANner on Sep 8, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
easier to win one with better than a .700 OPS…
yay for not proofreading!
by cityplANner on Sep 8, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those teams had David Ortiz, Jim Thome, Scott Rolen, Albert Pujols, Manny Ramirez, Dustin Pedroia... the list goes on
It’s way more effective to find your guys like those— your 4 WAR star players— and then fill in the roster from there than to create a whole bunch of 1.5-2 WAR semi-solutions and then cross your fingers and pray that you suddenly spawn a star player at an open position.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, yes
but that wasn’t your original argument. What I was taking issue with was:
A .700-ish OPS and good defense from a centerfielder is fine, but it’s not going to win championships
That made no mention of 4 WAR players. And hey, by 2011 we might have a few of those guys as well.
by cityplANner on Sep 8, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant by that:
Playoff teams need a certain level of average performance to get there. That level is roughly in the 3 WAR range for starters, probably a little less but not too much so since some amount of your playing time WILL go to backups.
Rajai Davis is not a playoff level performer as far as I can tell. If he is starting for your team, he represents a handicap which you will need to overcome in order to reach the playoffs. That’s not to say he has zero value— he is in the positive WAR range, certainly— but it’s a little odd to say that anyone who’s above replacement level is helping you win championships.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's it matter?
People both optimistic and pessimistic about Davis’ future performance are holding such a position based on fractions of a still-quite-short ML career. Given that Oakland is not going to be a playoff team next year, Davis is going to have time to show us what level he’s likely to perform at.
by Nate on Sep 8, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not trade him for value and let him show someone else what level he's likely to perform at?
Since it’s, you know, not this good.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's so apparent that he's not this good
what makes you think he’s got any trade value?
by Nate on Sep 8, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that there are GMs out there who are not that smart?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, "700ish" might be selling him short
His OPS is 795 in this, his first extended chance to play every day. Of course the career mark is 720, but I’d say there’s at least a fighting chance that 795 is closer to his true level of ability than 720. What was Dave Henderson?
And of course it goes without saying that, at least for now (Carter/Wallace, etc..) this team lacks the heft in the rest of the lineup that those other championship teams had. But you have to start somewhere, and where is the superior alternative to Davis??
by jasonthea on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to answer my own question
Hendu was the regular CF from 1988-91 (he got hurt in 1992 and fell off the table) His OPS+ for the four years combined was right around 800. One big year of close to 900; one bad year under 700— the other two right around 800. Yeah I know, we don’t have McGwire, Canseco or Rickey on this team— not to mention stewart, welch and Eckersley
by jasonthea on Sep 10, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his OPS+ were 800,
that would mean his OPS was about 800% of league average… somehow I don’t believe this.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 10, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS, not OPS+
thanks, stathead Cop. What would I do without you???
by jasonthea on Sep 10, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had extended chances to play everyday in the minors
and put up numbers rather suggestive of his career line in the majors.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should always be an option
if you can get value.
However, it makes no sense to run someone else out there for the sake of running someone else out there. Nobody we have in the organization is going to be as productive, and there isn’t even anyone who will be somewhat less productive at a significant cost savings. Given those facts, he should have at least 2010 to prove his minor-league career wasn’t a fluke.
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by jeepers on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody we have in the organization is going to be as productive
Eh?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston sacrifices too much defense.
Sweeney is a much better defender in a corner than he is in center, and has been significantly worse this year offensively. Over the course of their MLB careers, they’re the exact same offensive player (except Rajai steals bases), Nothing in their minor league track records suggests Sweeney is better either, except for age. So, advantage, Rajai.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 9, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed the memo which ended the A's affiliation with a farm system
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying you think one of
Cunningham or Brown would be more productive as a CF than Davis next year? Or do you just not care about next year and think Cunningham/Brown/Desme will be better in ’11? (I think even that is pretty debatable, considering their large bust potential.)
I have no problem trading Davis in the right deal, but I have no idea who you think would so obviously be a more productive CF than Davis. Frankly, unless I’m missing someone obvious, I think it’s pretty clear that he is the best option in CF we have for next year.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 9, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(That’s Brown and Desme’s bust potential, not Cunningham’s. His problem is obviously his defense, not his floor.)
by Elston Gunn on Sep 9, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he means Matt Carson?
Or the Chris Denorfia man-love still isn’t dead, even though he isn’t really a CF.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he says Matt Carson,
I’ll eat my hat.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 10, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's have a billion pretty good outfielders in their farm system
Individually, the odds of any of them busting is fairly high. Overall, it’s quite low.
As for matching his performance next year… I mean, I just don’t think it’s going to be that hard to do.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of them could steal 50 bases in a season
and play plus plus centerfield?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Rajai will continue to steal 50 bases in a season or play plus-plus centerfield
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 10, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that's fine.
There are plenty of OFs we have that you’d bet to be close to Rajai’s production, and probably at least one would be better. Unfortunately the problem is that you have to use a lot of opportunity cost to find out which one it is. So, yes, I think Rajai’s the best CF we have, but he’d be no huge loss.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 10, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need him for Entertainment if nothing else...
It’s difficult to see where the fun in watching the A’s is going to come from next year…
Even if we do contend, it’s going to be because our youth pitching steps up, and we have average batting with perhaps one veteran hired gun (though note all the aging vets have failed save for Thomas first time around).
In the few recent games I’ve gone to, Rajai is about the only exciting thing that’s happening. If he can do 270 350 350 with 50 steals which doesn’t seem out of the question, then that seems good enough to a) entertain b) be worthy of starting
by SheridanH on Sep 8, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
I mean, Beane shouldn’t make decisions based on how entertaining the player is, and he should trade him if he thinks it’s the right call, but I, for one, hope Rajai is back next year.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 8, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Ellis's hot spot, he's been the offensive threat.
In play, tease(s)? by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
by brian.only on Sep 9, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why shouldn't Beane make decisions based on how entertaining
a player is?
I’m not saying it should be the only consideration, but if two players have close to equal expected future skill, doesn’t it make sense to have entertainment value be a factor in picking between them?
Ultimately entertainment is the point of the business. The main reason to prefer wins to losses is that they are more entertaining.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 9, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I get the logic,
it’s just a dangerous path for the GM to start going down. Maybe a better way to say it would be I’d much rather have a GM that errs on the side of not caring who the fans want to see (except insofar as he think it will affect wins and losses) than one that goes the other way and re-signs fan favorites because they are “entertaining” for the fans.
by Elston Gunn on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go along with that.
I’d also rather have a GM who cares only about winning. But I think you have to respect that winning is not an organization’s only goal.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 10, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly winning is not the only goal next year
Given we’re unlikely to be contending, part of the organization’s goals have got to be that support, attendance (and gate revenues) don’t fall even further off the map – especially since I don’t see a new stadium anywhere anytime soon.
With that in mind, and given the lack of power hitting, Rajai on base is one of the few things you can get excited about.
by SheridanH on Sep 10, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that the best thing the
organization can do to boost support, attendance, etc., is see to it that the team plays at or above .500, as opposed to the sort of rebuilding year where you let the team fall to .400 in a non-contending season.
Beane has stated publicly that he doesn’t think his team’s market can easily sustain repeated losing seasons. That’s been a major part of the rationale of his strategy of trying to smooth out the typical boom-and-bust pattern, in terms of trying to get an early start on the rebuild by trading good players before they’re done peaking or bring up new players before they’re done growing.
Of course, it’s been a few years since he’s said that. I’m not sure if his opinion has changed, now that we’re actually experiencing repeated losing seasons….
It’s hard to separate one’s personal preferences from such speculation, so possibly I’m biased, but I would say that having a team that plays above .500 in 2010 is more important that having a team that reaches the playoffs in 2011.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing .500 means a higher draft pick
But I see what you are saying.
by Future Ed on Sep 10, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the key word
coach a·ble \ˈkō-chə-bəl\ adj.
3. Sports open to receive training or direction from instructors for athletic teams. Willing to learn.
Crosby strutted around for years, flaunting vet cred he never earned…. Raj seems to take the opposite tack. As obstinate and intransigently committed to swinging through the slider away, for example, as Croz has been, so has Raj proven over the course of this season (IMO) that he can change. The player I referred to in a thoughts-rant as the worst player in MLB has proven to me that that was about as unfair and as superficial a characterization as could have been made, so much so it almost feels shameful, like I said something so wrong that you guys should think very seriously about whether I have any cred myself on these matters. But like someone said above, half (I think Nico said 50%….+ 45%) of AN had this guy on the slow boat to Nationalsville 2 months ago and that’s why it’s Mr. B running the team and not we.
Davis appeals to me when I get realistic as in the mix for a 4th outfielder spot on a good team, as well as the obvious pinch-runner & OF defensive replacement roles. I guess he is a dude where you have to get him enough PAs or his game goes to crap, so it’s tough to sign him for a big payday knowing he is a 4th OF optimally on a contending/elite team & has a delicate ABs-needed-over-the-course-of-a-season-not-to-suck-balls quotient. Get after an anagram for that one, Geeky Stat Worshippers of Athletica.
But like I said his learning curve seems to have some spike, unlike Croz, who drove his Lamborghini off a cliff going around his learning curve a long time ago, it seems… so Raj could have an accelerated trajectory if he keeps being proactive about being the best possible baseball player he can be.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Sep 9, 2009 3:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it'd be interesting to see a plot of the 'learning curve'...
because I think it’s important to point out they aren’t all bell-shaped.
On another level, I think it’s important to consider if the “trade as soon as they have value” philosophy will consign us to being Miss Beane’s Baseball Finishing School — a place to polish players up before they join “real” teams.
I’d like to think we’re capable of holding onto our own talent and maximizing their skill sets. As for sending messages, I’m not sure guys would be that bummed about their production being rewarded with being moved to a contending team. But it certainly doesn’t engender team loyalty, for players or fans.
by HardensGirl on Sep 9, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He’s more or less the same age as Crosby and the difference in attitude and maturity are just streaks apart. I think that perhaps because Rajai had to earn his way to his position rather than just believing it was his god given right to play a position that that has made a difference.
by SheridanH on Sep 9, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply put;
Yes!
"What a joke." ~ Booby Crosby
by MMunoz33 on Sep 9, 2009 7:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about clubhouse intangibles?
He seems a very level headed guy; Geren says he’s always one of the first at the ballpark. He’s very articulate (at least by baseball player standards). He’s willing to learn, and he’s earned his major league spot the hard way. I can’t help but feel he’ll be a good influence on all the other players coming up.
by SheridanH on Sep 9, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Intangibles:me::patriotism:Samuel Johnson
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai Davis = Samuel Johnson...?

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, PT = SJ
He’s casting indirect aspersions on someone taking refuge.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 9, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is odd,
as I’m pretty sure intangibles are the only reason he gets banned as infrequently as he does.
by Nate on Sep 9, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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