2010 Community Prospect List - #1
by Zonis on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT
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The Minor League season has ended, and Winter Leagues are still a ways away. So what do we have left to do but tally up our Minor League experiences and take a look at the state of the A's Minor League System.
If you want to view Last Year's list, check here.
The qualifications to be voted onto the list are simple. The player in question must be eligible to win a Rookie of the Year Award for the 2010 season-that is, he must be a rookie to start the 2010 season. Well, not quite. To make it simpler and not have to count days on the active roster, we will be going with 130 AB or 50 Innings Pitched.
Lots of players have graduated from last years list, such as Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro and Outman to name a few. Several others have upped their prospect value while others have fallen. Its our job to figure out where they stand.
The list will probably go on to 50 again like last time, though it really depends on how far AN wants to take it.
So argue out which player you believe deserves the spot for the list. Bring out the stats, the scouting reports, and the pictures (I'm looking at you flashfire!).
If you think you know a prospect well enough, write a scouting report with your supporting stats and I will put it into the thread for the next vote, either for the player's Bio after he wins, or for his bio for voting.
If you think a player deserves mention, or should be put on the next prospect vote list, or prospects that should be kept track of, put them in the comments (and preferably mark them clearly) and they will get consideration. I expect the top of the list, as with last year, to go rather smoothly for the first few players, but it gets more difficult as it goes on, and its up to you to bring prospects to light so that we can all see them. Just ask Anthony Capra, last year's #46 (and this years much higher) how important that is.
Votes will last a few days per round, or until a clear winner has emerged by landslide.
First Vote Prospects
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 51 .251 .317 .372 1 24 3 23 15 MID (oak) AA 79 .326 .392 .446 3 55 5 56 26
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B MID (oak) AA 30 .238 .303 .343 2 13 4 10 5 STO (oak) A+ 50 .299 .385 .468 7 31 5 29 9
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B USC College 54 .374 .441 .569 4 32 16 46 19 STO (oak) A+ 4 .316 .350 .368 0 3 1 2 1
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 13 .259 .293 .519 4 14 0 7 2 MID (oak) AA 125 .337 .435 .576 24 101 13 108 41
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 106 .297 .354 .460 15 47 1 54 21 MEM (stl) AAA 62 .293 .346 .423 6 19 0 22 11 SPR (stl) AA 32 .281 .403 .437 5 16 0 22 5
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Carter off to the early lead
I went with Carter for #1 despite having the least defensive value out of any of these guys because he has the only real stand out tool and that’s the power. I think he is always going to have issues with strikeouts but I think he’s shown the ability to at least control it enough that his power and patience will still make him a very valuable offensive player.
I thought about Wallace for a bit but I could only justify it if I really believed in his defense at third and I’m just not that sure about it.
by DiegoAsFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point
Chris has essentially earned that top spot. The numbers do all the talking.
by asyouwish33 on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The only question in this poll is whether Carter gets 90% or 95%
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Sep 30, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Carter has the highest upside and is the right choice.
I believe that he can stick as a average to -5 FRAA corner outfielder which makes him more valuable from a positional prospective and I think his bat will be better than Wallace, due to his light tower plus plus power, his superior walk rate, His defensive improvements at 1b are encouraging in case route running proves elusive. I could see him hitting .280/.370/.520 if everything works out or 40 BRAA. He has the highest upside in the system, and could be an truly elite player, though there is some risk that he won’t be able to hit breaking balls in the bigs.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Light tower plus plus power?
Is that like getting a 9 on the old 3-8 scouting scale?
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Oct 1, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah is it a true 80 on the 20-80 scale.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 1, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he uses Vernon
Distinctive- has a ‘V’ for viciously vamping vavooming victory.
Better nickname potential- CC is already taken.
In play, tease(s)? by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
by brian.only on Sep 30, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
V for Vendetta
(against all opposing pitchers?)
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he should be "good chris carter"
as opposed to “bad chris carter”, whom the red sox just dfa’d. Kinda like good sweeney, bad sweeney.
by cityplANner on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Good Sweeney just turned out to be Old Sweeney.
And Bad Sweeney is now Good Sweeney.
Don’t jinx him!
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only nickname I know for Carter is...
BEAST!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trogdor!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 1, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter was a man!
I mean, he was a dragon man! Or maybe he was just a dragon. But he was still Carter! Chris Carter!
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q.O.T.FUCKING.M.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 2, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(cue Chris Carter theme song with wah-wah pedal)
Who is the man… who hits the ball as far as he can?
Chris!
Damn right!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 2, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut yo mouth!
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 2, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that anyone asked for it
Trogdor the Burninator @ everyone’s favorite video spot
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." Gaylord Perry
by BERRYJO on Oct 3, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer it done by
LIMOZEEN! (or more like Strong Bad in the lead singer of Taranchulas body)
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Oct 4, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Carter is the clear cut top prospect
And Wallace is the clear cut second. After that, it should get somewhat interesting. Although I think Cardenas will probably get that third spot, one could easily make an argument for a number of players, including Weeks, Green, Desme, even Leon (although I think that’s stretching it a bit at this point).
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see where Storey ends up
He’s still in the low minors and is kinda old for his level, but hey, 0.00 ERA before getting moved up.
by cityplANner on Sep 30, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that low
He finished the year mowing down hitters in AA so he could be making his MLB debut as soon as next year assuming he is even close to as good as he was this year.
by DiegoAsFan on Oct 1, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter easily IMO
First truly elite hitting prospect to come through our system since I began paying attention to the minors. Showed enough progress last year for me to feel comfortable that he won’t have too much trouble improving other aspects of his game.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At the rate it is going, Carter will probably win the top spot
we’ll see tomarrow. If its still this lopsided, #2 goes up.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Psst Zonis.....
I don’t think Wallace has played 200 games this year. :-)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
blame the baseball cube for that one.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Oct 1, 2009 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their stats are frequently bizarre and wrong
Handle with care.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved these lists last year and looking forward to them again this year
I just think it may have been better to wait until after the Fall Leagues as a few prospects always tend to raise their profiles there.
by DeJay on Oct 1, 2009 2:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to write up a scouting report on Carter
as well as the others, while they’re at it?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Oct 1, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When were you planning to consider Ynoa?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 1, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
when he starts throwing pitches in a minor league game?
by cityplANner on Oct 1, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the rules are different from last year?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 1, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Brett Wallace guy, but Carter is very clearly #1 in the system.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Carter needs some time in Sac next year.
Wallace, on the other hand, might make the club out of spring training.
Carter has a higher ceiling, though.
Does that mean I’m voting for Wallace, or for Carter?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huge Brett Wallace
is there some other type? I’d like to see that one.
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Oct 1, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Carter will be the #1 guy.
I still really like The Walrus. You hear so much about how he’ll never cut-it as a 3rd baseman in the bigs, but it’s got to help his case that he’s gotten to AAA playing 3rd almost exclusively. He seems determined to improve defensively and if he can man 3rd in the majors for even the first 2 or 3 seasons of his career, he’ll be a very valuable player…maybe even more valuable than Carter. If all breaks right, I see him as a slightly below average defensive 3rd baseman that could hit 30 homers and OPS .850 for several years.
In any case, I think both guys would benefit by starting next season at AAA, both for defensive purposes. If Carter can improve defensively enough to man LF for the foreseeable future and Wallace can man 3rd, it will really allow the big league club to build a more dynamic offense and become competitive a lot more quickly, since it’s fairly easy to plug-in productive bats at 1B or DH via free agency or trade.
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by Taj Adib on Oct 1, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem I have with Wallace at #2 is that I think there's a fairly good (30%?) chance that Cardenas ends up being a better hitter than he is
and if that’s the case, he’s going to get blown out of the water overall once you include defense and baserunning skills. I think you could say the same about Weeks, too, except that he seems to be injury-prone.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read multiple scouting reports that see....
Cardenas as 3b of future with wallace and 1b and Carter at DH. (green and weeks in middle infield). If this is the case is it that big a problem? Even if Wallace is sketchy at 3b, there is no way he isn’t good enough to play defense at 1b… especially considering the defensive juggernauts we’ve but there in past couple years…
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if ALL of those guys panned out.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably true
but you EXPECT green, weeks, wallace for sure to be major league options considering where they were picked.
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously it doesn’t always work that way, but a college proven player picked in first 15 picks should be a major leaguer
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be interesting.
Cardenas appears to be putting up fairly pedestrian slash stats in AAA again. I hope he figures it out.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is also the youngest of the group.
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he hasn't really been agressively promoted.
He’s been in the minors since age 18.
Hopefully he dominates AAA next year and is ready for a sept. callup, 2011 for good time schedule. This is assuming they figure out what position he’ll play
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if you look at his two stints
it’s night and day.
May: 62 AB, .177/.254/.258
August/September: 121 AB, .289/.351/.430
and I think he improved on that line in the playoffs.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's reassuring.
Also interesting that he’s been playing mostly 2B with Sacramento.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Presumably to give Wallace every chance to prove he can / can't play third
by bobnothing on Oct 1, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not SS?
Especially with Pennington up.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't know the answer to that
maybe they just don’t think he’s got the range for SS
by bobnothing on Oct 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Including the playoffs, its .304/.368/.439
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Oct 1, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Normally I’m not enamored of splitting players’ seasons, but when the difference is that pronounced and also with two months in a lower league in the meantime, I think it’s worth mentioning.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Cardenas has almost zero power.
If he can stick at 2nd that’s all right, but if he’s forced to third base isn’t that gonna be a bit of a problem? He’d have to hit .310 or higher with above average defense (or something like that) to justify hitting 4 homers a year at third.
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro
by Philip Christy on Oct 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he'll be as hot as early as Lansford was.
Plus, Lansford had power.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some years he did, some years he didn't
I don’t think I’ve ever seen another player like Carney, who seemed to be able to add 12 HRs a year by sacrificing 40 points of BA, or vice versa. Hank Aaron said he could have hit .400 with not much power, but thought the HRs helped his team more. Ichiro says he’s made the opposite decision. Carney seemed to do both.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 1, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't, though
He hit 48 extra base hits this season. Most of them were doubles, yes, but doubles in a 21-year-old often presage power in an older player. And the guy owns the Florida high school season record for home runs.
He’s not some slap hitter. I think he’s just been promoted faster than his home run power levels could “catch up.”
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that a reason to delay bringing him to Oakland
He should be able to hit 10+ HRs and 40 2Bs in his prime, but his offense probably won’t be that good in the majors for a little while.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Oct 1, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with this
I think he needs one more season to allow his physical development to catch up with his skills.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with this.
I like Wallace. He’ll hit, and he’ll probably hit well. But Cardenas plays defense and actually has a true position. I’ll probably end up voting for Cardenas at #2, but I’m assuming I won’t have much say in the matter, as Wallace will probably run away with it. I can’t believe (as of now) Cardenas hasn’t received a single vote, while Green and Weeks have both received at least one.
At this point, Cardenas seems almost criminally underrated. He hasn’t hit for power, but it’s there, and when you consider he hasn’t even turned 22 yet (he will next week), he’s proven himself to be a fantastic prospect—better than Wallace, IMO.
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by NateHST on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, he doesn't really have a true position.
He was a SS, but he’s mostly playing 2B now, and he’s also played a little 3B. Nobody seems to actually know where he’s going to end up.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason he's playing 3B is because he's blocked at 2B by Ellis.
He didn’t possess the range to play SS, but he’s a good second baseman, and should stay there if at all possible. This is opposed to a guy like Wallace who is supposed to be a third baseman but doesn’t really have the skills to play it.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
by NateHST on Oct 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is only signed through 2010 with an option for 2011
There’s no reason Cardenas shouldn’t be playing 2B on account of Ellis being there, because if he proves that he’s ready after 2010, Ellis can simply have his option declined.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've actually started wondering whether the Beane might be willing to move MaEl this offseason
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 1, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
Unicorn.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know defensive sabermetrics is on the rise.
But I still doubt that Unicorn’s trade value is high enough that it would be advantageous for us to move him.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, the perception (true or not) that he's injury prone will count against him
also, he’s never won a gold glove, has he? therefore, his glove must suck.
he should be more like that nice Derek Jeter
by bobnothing on Oct 1, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or that fielding machine Mark Grudzielanek.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should keep Cardenas down for a while at least.
Ellis is cheap and good. There really is no reason to trade him this year.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wouldn't you rather have a
2B-3B-SS type with “no true position” than a guy who is truly a LF or a 1B?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 1, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the context of the two guys we're talking about?
No, I’ll take Carter every time. He’s the bat that you find a position for. Cardenas is a good hitter, but his value changes pretty significantly depending on his position.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also like Carter better,
I just didn’t see “no true position” as a knock against a guy if his defense is good.
As I understand it, Cardenas is being bounced around because he could play any of them decent, right? As opposed to someone who plays all of them badly (eg, EPatt).
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't play legitimate SS but should provide fine defense at 2b or 3b
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I think Cardenas has a good chance of being the first of the top three to stick in the majors. I don’t believe in Wallace at third and he has to be out several competitors at first.
chronic
by Since1972 on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was supposed to be a reply to PT's comment
Cardenas before Wallace
chronic
by Since1972 on Oct 1, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he's the best of the three, he's unlikely to be the first to stick
I expect Cardenas to be the last of the three to be called up: Wallace, Carter, Cardenas, in that order.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a winner.
My money is on Wallace making the team out of ST, Carter being called up no earlier than June and no later than September, and Cardenas no earlier than September.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, except I predict Wallace won't make the team
out of ST, but instead will be called up when Chavy permanently breaks sometime in May.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
service time, baby!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a big variable...
My gut feeling says that Chavez has played his last game,
and that Cust will be non-tendered or traded.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 2, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with PT on this one.
Cardenas can likely hit as well as Wallace, but has more defensive value. It’s close, but I think I take Cardenas over Wallace.
by rageon on Oct 1, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think that Cardenas> Wallace is a very real possibility.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get how its physicall possible for Wallace to have played 106 games for Sac
He’s been an A for 2 months.
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the dude's can?
Each time he plays it counts as 2 games.
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by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are we honestly expecting for ETA to majors for each?
For me, Wallace seems like he COULD be spring training ready. I wouldn’t mind it either considering we got a hole @3rd. Sign 1 corner infielder, if chavy makes a recovery, wallace goes to triple A otherwise, he could start.
-Carter probably needs a year in triple A
-Weeks, Cardenas look like 1 more year of minors
-green obviously the same
by tafkasam on Oct 1, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would not be suprised to see
Carter/Wallace/Cardenas/Doolittle all playing in Oak by June.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would.
But you’re a humungous Doolittle fan.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him more than Barton at 1st.
But Im not a humongous fan.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Oct 1, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think he's going to be in Oakland after 2 months of AAA
After playing less than 30 games this year?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the A's didn't have Barton, he probably would have been in the majors this season
On the other hand, with Barton tearing it up right now, I’d be sort of shocked if Daric did not get the job next season. So, yeah, I’d be very surprised if Doolittle was in the majors in June next year. But more because of guys in front of him than because of lack of polish.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he (Doolittle) got hurt and only played 28 games this season.
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by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean he probably would have made the team out of spring training
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doolittle hasn't hit like a corner OFer of a 1b in AAA
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making an argument off a 28-game sample?
Not very like you…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right but he didn't hit well in AA or really outside of the Cal League at any level
I just object to the idea that he would be in the bigs.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit well in spring training (IIRC) and he hit really well in last year's Fall League
Those being the two most recent samples at the time…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take spring training with a ton of salt
and the AFL is only 32 games in a hitters paradise so if you want to make the sample size argument for his AAA season im not sure that 4 games more makes yours valid.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wandering off track
This isn’t a question of whether he OUGHT to have been promoted.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
if its a would question rather than a should question do you think they would promote Doolittle with such a low wOBA?
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying he would have been in the bigs from April onward
based on spring and the AFL.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking whose place?
Also I think you’re forget that Doolittle didn’t get hurt until the second week of May so claiming he would have been in the bigs starting in April doesn’t make sense since he wasn’t called up.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 3, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton's
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 4, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton was in the minors
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 4, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he?
Been a while.
That would sort of take away my foundation, I have to admit.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 4, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was
which was my point.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 4, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the moves that the A's do or don't make over the inseason will point towards who they're expecting to come through
If, for example (and I in no expect or condone this), they were to cut ties with Jack Cust, they’ll be expecting one of Carter / Wallace / Doolittle to step up and share DH/1B duties with our friend Daric.
I’m guessing by the time Spring Training comes around, we’ll have a slightly better idea
by bobnothing on Oct 1, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or, conversely,
they could let Powell DH a lot more often, and maybe bring up (or sign) a backup catcher.
I’m fond of this option if Cust is let go.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why one would think that Powell is a good enough hitter to be a major league DH
He hasn’t been this season, and he’s 27. As a catcher, he’s a good player (when he gets on the field). As a DH, he’d be close to replacement level.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I love the hitters in our system right now.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
apolitical, nondenominational +1
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick note: those numbers don't include the AAA playoffs
minorleaguesplits.com includes minor-league postseason records in their stats. Over there, the final AAA lines are:
Carter:
.272/.326/.605, 8 BB, 22 K, 3 2B, 8HR in 81 ABs
Wallace:
.300/.364/.519, 20 BB, 41 K, 10 2B, 1 3B, 11 HR in 207 ABs
Cardenas:
.262/.338/.390, 19 BB, 32K, 18 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR in 205 ABs
In his last 4 weeks, covering 79 of those ABs (and including the playoffs), Cardenas hit .316/.365/.494
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wallace's power is coming in a hurry
That’s great to see. I still believe he can be an adequate first baseman, too.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meant third baseman.
I’m certain he can be adequate at first.
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by jeepers on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The concerns with Wallace as a hitter now
are his BB rate (too low) and his K rate (too high).
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 1, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Nick's comment about Wallace needing to walk more and cut down on the "K's"
Does anyone know if the Cardinals have a different approach in their minor league system? It would seem to make sense that once Wallace is in the A’s system a bit longer that we would start to see Wallace take more walks and perhaps cut down on his k’s as well. Just a thought…..didn’t Careterimprove kisK-BB ratio over this last season as well? Great post…
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by mrod on Oct 2, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want the option to vote for Ynoa soon
maybe in 2 or 3 picks…
by jakarta on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, the combination of never having done anything at any level
AND coming off of an arm injury, makes Ynoa way too ??? to be ranked very high. There’s a ton of uncertainty surrounding him, no matter how high his ceiling.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And his ceiling really has to be high
otherwise, he’ll keep bumping his head.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 1, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
These rankings are a function of not just ceiling, but proximity to the majors. Ynoa is so insanely far out there (literally, further than anyone else in baseball) that I just can’t justify giving him a high ranking.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes my no. 4.
If Im a GM and Im offered Ynoa for Weeks or Green I take it.
by NRC on Oct 1, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're offered Ynoa for weeks,
you might just say yes because you’re sick of being bugged.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 1, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'm not at all unhappy that he isn't pitching in some irrelevant rookie-ball games
He’s got way more than enough time to reach the majors by his early 20s and I’d rather not take any risks at all with his arm.
He’s clearly outside of the top 3, but how far… I don’t know, he’s probably around #10-12 for me.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crush Carter
I didn’t even pretend to have to think about it.
by jeffro on Oct 1, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well this is easily Carter
I think the #2 vote will be far more interesting. I plan on voting for Cardenas, who I don’t think will get the support he deserves. The rest of my top 5 in the MinorLeagueBall thread was Wallace, Leon, and Weeks.
I always like these lists more once we get into the 20s and 30s though. We all pretty much know all there is to know about the top 15-20 types, but I like reading the discussions of the lesser-known guys a lot.
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by walk off bunt on Oct 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One note:
What a great job by Billy Beane. We’re going to see, in some order, Carter, Wallace, and Cardenas as the top 3. They all came here via trade, as well as our top pitching prospect before 2009 (Anderson). I don’t think “replenish” even begins to cover what Beane did over the last two offseasons.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Carlos G. instead of Wallace...
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Oct 1, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too. I'm happy with either of them, though.
I probably like Mortensen than Smith, though. But damn if Carlos Gonzalez didn’t have one of the prettiest swings I’ve ever seen. Seriously, check this out. Look at his page on MLB.com and watch some of the highlights. It’s gorgeous.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
by NateHST on Oct 1, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I don't want to
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Oct 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya.
I mean, it turned out to be the wrong decision, but the guy had horrid plate discipline when he was with us. I wonder what happened.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
by travdog6 on Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Huston Street is still pretty good at pitching, too...
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade is going to haunt this franchise for years to come
It might have been the worst move of the entire 2008-2009 offseason.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree CarGo is probably going to be good
but I don’t think he’s as good as he has been this year. His BABIP after his callup is like .370 or something ridiculous.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I’ll take the .800 OPS and plus-plus CF defense anyway.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally
It’s kinda weird that Colorado hasn’t been letting him play CF exclusively.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they also have Dexter Fowler
Sort of an embarrassment of riches.
Although if you believe UZR, Gonzalez should be the one of those two who’s in center.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, I was gonna ask if Fowler is that good on defense
but why not throw CarGo into RF and hide Hawpe in left?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Hawpe shouldn't even be starting for them at all
He’s awful. For an NL team his only use is as a pinch-hitter.
They should be starting Seth Smith in right field and Fowler in left, along with Gonzalez.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here here
Brad Hawpe is terrible.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want that outfield.
Wow.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its the same reason why we play Cust in RF
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 2, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you win some, you lose some....but I want to see Wallace in the bigs for awhil
until I decide if it was a bad trade all the way around.
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Oct 2, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Brett Wallace should be a third baseman, until he proves he can’t do it in an extended big-league trial.
Adrian Cardenas should be a second baseman, because his bat plays better there, and he’s actually good at it.
Chris Carter should be an outfielder, because he is not slow despite his size, and we need outfielders.
Hopefully Weeks will make this a problem, and it’s a good thing that Weeks and Cardenas are athletics enough to give us some flexibility.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Oct 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of these prospects is not like the others...
I voted Chris Carter as my #1, like most everyone else did based on a combination of raw potential, organizational need, speed to the majors, and the line courtesy of Aufheben
Chris Carter entered a village, where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so.
I suppose Cardenas makes my #2 for similar reasons followed by Wallace. After that it gets a bit murky.
I’m not sure where Jemile Weeks falls out for me, but I would like to see some more data. H-rod is probably somewhere up there on pure potential, along with some of the budding arms we have lurking in the system.
But Grant Green? Top five? Really? I mean….he’s really far from the majors…and he’s not been that good so far….
by eastbayexpat on Oct 1, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my.
That’s, like, the greatest line ever. QOTM, if it wasn’t nominated earlier.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 1, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's really comical is people on scout.com (posters, I mean, not Lockhard)
Who have Max Stassi as the #3 prospect in the organization.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 1, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he makes my top 20
I really hate high school catchers.
I also hate relief pitchers, so that would pretty much put paid to Rodriguez’s chances, too.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez is going to be one of the more entertaining players to watch next season
not that it makes any difference to his ranking as a prospect, of course
by bobnothing on Oct 1, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of torn
It would be fun to watch him unleash those 100 mph fastballs, but I’m skeptical that he’ll be one of the 6 best short relievers in the organization next year. While I would miss out on watching him throw I wouldn’t mind seeing the A’s dangle him in a trade. I’m sure there is some GM out there who would overpay for that kind of heat.
by DiegoAsFan on Oct 1, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, actually, having thought about this after I posted
I think the reasons that I like him now may turn out to be less pleasing come the regular season.
At the moment, there’s a definite thrill to seeing him throw Wild Heat (this is the cologne I use, btw), but if the A’s are playing games that I really care about them winning next year, this might turn out to be more frustrating
by bobnothing on Oct 2, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of talk on this thread about
how soon various guys are expected to reach the majors.
Just to clarify, when we vote for best prospect, “best” does not necessarily equal “closest to ready”, right?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 1, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except that "closest to ready"
usually signifies “most proven,” which should certainly factor into the decision-making process.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Oct 1, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree.
In fact, I suspect I probably will lean toward the more proven prospects more than the regular prospect mavens here do. But I just wanted to clarify that close to ready isn’t the complete standard itself.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best, in prospect discussions, usually means "player likely to provide the most value to an average franchise"
although I suspect from the comments that some people are taking team context into account.
It definitely does not mean “closest to ready,” however. Players at higher levels are more likely as a rule to be good than players at lower levels— that’s the only reason people value them more. They’ve already survived several levels of the pseudo-Darwinian winnowing process of baseball.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That last sentence
would have been a good metaphor for what I was trying (unsuccessfully) to explain to DFA the other day.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked Carter
I find it funny that there are no pitchers in our top tier of prospects after last year when it was all pitchers and Carter.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Oct 2, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When you graduate three top prospect pitchers
(including two in the top five), you better not have any high-level pitching left. That just wouldn’t be fair.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Oct 2, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than three, isn't it?
I don’t know the count for what makes you no longer a prospect, but glancing through last year’s list, I see seven guys who have spent time in the big leagues this year:
#1. Trevor Cahill
#2. Brett Anderson
#5. Gio Gonzalez
#9. Vin Mazzaro
#13. Henry Rodriguez
#17. Josh Outman
#28. Andrew Bailey
#48. Brad Kilby
Also, #25 Craig Italiano was traded away.
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by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just counting pitchers.
If we’re looking at position players, I assume Pennington used up his eligibility, too, right?
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by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kilby and Rodriguez are still prospect-eligible
but yeah, that’s a truly nutty amount of rookie pitching. Any system will groan under that kind of strain.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 2, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez & Kilby haven't reached 25 innings have they?
Not saying either is top 10 now, but still eligible, no?
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by DMOAS on Oct 4, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are definitely still eligible
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 4, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter Wins
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Oct 2, 2009 4:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now there's a post I look forward to seeing
on AN game threads!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 2, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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