Incontrovertible Evidence that Matt Holliday Hated Oakland
by JediLeroy on Sep 28, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
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I'd like to see further data that represents how other players feel, those who have left Oakland.
Would the results be the same for Haren, CarGon, Swisher, Giambi, Cabrera, et al? I want to know if the toothy goodness results from leaving Oakland for anyone, not just Mr. Holliday. I love the concept but if you want this to be taken as serious research, you need a control group for contrast.
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
IF?
the force is strong with this one, JediLeroy
by Brian in 317 on Sep 28, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps the numbers need to be adjusted for park effect...?
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Sep 28, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oakland is indeed a gloomy place.
The park, the surrounding area, Mt. Davis…
Oakland adds a whopping 0.5 caring points, bringing his total park-adjusted xCARE to…0.888.
Damn you, Matt Holliday, and your not caring-ness!
Please remedy my confusion
and thrust me back to the day.
The silence of your seclusion
brings night into all you say.
well I live and work in Oakland
and it’s far from a gloomy place. Even the coliseum hasn’t been gloomy when there was good attendance – which wasn’t that long ago.
Ha
Oaklands murder rate is 3.5 times higher than the national rate. It’s one of the most gang infested, dangerous cities in the world. I wouldn’t want to play baseball here. But ok, since you live there it’s awesome…
by son of wes on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And St. Louis's homicide rate is even higher
Why didn’t being traded to the most crime-infested city in the US bum him out? And if you want to call Oakland “one of the most dangerous cities in the world” you need to show some stats to back that up. Or just stop making idiotic assertions.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
facts can get in the way of idiotic assertions too
like for instance, if you take a closer look at those murder numbers, you’ll see they are mainly on the north side of the city limits of ST Louis. most of the city, and the surrounding area have very low murder rates & are very safe. but please, continue believing what you want to believe. this is still a somewhat free country after all.
but to answer the question as to why Lego Holliday is smiling more in St. Louis, it’s actually very simple. he loves our pies.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Of course Oakland's murder rate
is only high in parts of the city as well. That’s the way these things work, I’m afraid.
by Chilango on Sep 29, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention that all the guys on the team
live in places like Danville or Alameda anyway.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I saw Mark Ellis while I was driving in Danville once.
On an unrelated note, I almost caused a car accident in Danville once.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
I think you need to scroll down to mikev's illustration
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
no, no, i got it
it’s funny & i wasn’t being serious. except about the pie thing, he really does seem to love mid west pies.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I hope that's a Guys and Dolls reference
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
It's a reference from The Rock.
Not the movie. The Wrestler/Actor.
by LoneStranger on Sep 30, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just as long as he doesn't drink Bud Lite
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
San Jose will increase your caring points
The continued tenancy of the A’s in the Coliseum needs to be remedied asap. As much as I would like the A’s to move to the South Bay, going to the game I don’t care where in the Bay Area it is as long as it’s in a new stadium (and if still in Oakland, BART accessible).
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
Here's one...
And by the way, it’s a 3, not a 0.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
This looks like it was taken during the National Anthem.
It makes sense that he would be respectful and not sport a silly grin.
by LoneStranger on Sep 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I know...
I was rating it a 3 for the eye black and facial hair..
Swish exudes maximum care-itude even through his slick razor work.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
Swish could get threes playing in Washington.
by LoneStranger on Sep 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm hoping he's one of those
return-to-your-roots-and-finish-your-career-where-you-started kind of guys, if the situation is right down the road.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
Even better, Pittsburgh.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
now do chavy vs tejada
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
LOL
Dye vs Byrnes!
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
by popcornjames on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Garbage.
You’re not using xCarE. Anybody worth talking to knows that this is the only appropriate metric to use in such a discussion.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
yeah, G!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 28, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Go back to your momma's basement, stat-head!
I trust my own eyes, and I could care less what your fancy formula says.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Sep 28, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
+1
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I just like the caring contiuum.
So I post it at any faint hint of an opportunity.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I thought it was particularly apropos here
since we’re talking about Matt Holliday’s position on said continuum.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I, on the other hand,
think that red baseball pants and faux stirrups are never apropros…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 28, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this mean you disapprove of the Cuban nation team unis?
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Sep 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They look like overripe tomatoes.
The unis are ugly.
This also goes for the 1975 Cleveland Indians and the 2008-9 Houston Texans full-red alt.
All-red outfits are for sex professionals only… not sportsmen!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 28, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the Cuban Unis...
I actually usually root for them in international baseball competitions.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Every time I watch the Cuban team,
I think of how wonderful it would be if a big transport helicopter landed in the middle of the field and the whole team, coaches and all, boarded the chopper and defected to whatever country it landed in…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 29, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't had a good "belly laugh" in a long time. Thanks!
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
Needs some slight modification to reflect new evidence.
"The unbelieving looks of Mike Scioscia should be bottled and sold as crack to opposing fans." ~Lone Star Ball
"The unbelieving looks of Mike Scioscia should be bottled and sold as crack to opposing fans." ~Lone Star Ball
by Elvez on Sep 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
That is fricking amazing QOTM Picture category... if you care that is.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Sep 28, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If you notice, too
In the Rockies photos, he’s generally looking up, and in an Oakland shirt, generally down. And then up again in St Louis.
This is the reason he hit more homers in Colorado and fewer here.
It’s science facts, people
By the light?
Oh wait…
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
of the silvery moon.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Who's that with the gnarly goat in the first Cards pic?
Did St louis pick up Gaudin (who grew back the the goatee with freakish speed)?
On the real, though
I remember my jaw dropping when I heard this interview as I sat outside of a Walgreen’s waiting for some medicine for my daughters ear infection. I thought i might have to walk inside and get some ibuprofen for myself…
The interview struck me as duplicitous and below what I had always thought of Matt Holliday as a person. I remember listening to him on, I think KNBR, when he was first traded and said he was surprised it was Oakland that eh was traded to. I read into that, he wasn’t exactly excited, even though he said he was.
I don’t think he didn’t play hard. I don’t think he wanted out from the second he got to Oakland… I do think not long after he arrived he was ready to leave though.
I had not read the interview before
Fake ambiguity hurts my feeling.
This season, the A's are proving that in fact there is crying in baseball.
by somebodyelse on Sep 28, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
(We see that his happiness was merely an unsustainable statistical blip, and that he regressed to mean. He’s not even looking at Cust. He loathes his existence.)
Nice :-)
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
A funny post JediLeroy and I needed a good laugh today so thanks
but please go outside and get some fresh air for awhile okay?
Cheers on incorporating data...
Those charts could stand up to any reviewer… might have to run them by our Regional Vice President, Mr. Blez before forwarding them onto Billy Beane.
If Ziegler blows a save... I'll flag his next post.
This is a wonderful post.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, thanks Jedi.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Sep 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
This was fantastic
nothing against notsellingjeans. But I am glad this came along to knock the Rajai Davis Trade Market fanstasy off the top spot.
I am not in favor of trading Rajai
the post was an attempt to explore a possible market for him, if there was one.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Sep 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This should be the trade target
An imaginary ballplayer with everyone’s favorite skills: Justin Longoria Sabathia, perhaps?
by el generico on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
there needs to be a whole blog
that analyzes this data for every player in pro sports… utterly brilliant post, five stars.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
Any chance you get to bring up Holliday's skull, gotta do it.
Hey, Holliday. Nice head.
Courtesy of travdog6
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Maybe he was unhappy in Oakland because Mt. Davis was a constant reminder of that pointly head.
by LoneStranger on Sep 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if Holliday's parental unit has the same head shape.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
by danmerqury on Sep 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beldar?
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Sep 28, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
he was born to have a job that requires a hat
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Do you blame him
First he had no long time goal here since it was on a 1 year deal. Second the team stunk from the first week on. Third his hitting stunk because of the advice from McGwire. Fourth he heard how was going to be traded everyday.
Now Holliday said all the correct things while he played here and when he was traded. He has alot of pride so when his hitting stunk he was not happy which is a good sign of a true player. He never once ripped the A’s or the fans. The guy was all class while he was here.
Otherwords who cares about some smile data that was yesterday so leave it in the past.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Sep 28, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can't.Stop.Laughing
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
what?
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If this isn't tongue in cheek
It may actually be the funniest comment in a really hilarious thread.
Sweet, new sig line!
I got my last one just yesterday, but this is better.
"Who cares about some smile data"
smile data rocks the house.
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 28, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Raj Davis' true talent level=
(smile data/2)+Emily data
2
"When you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout, and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, there's no better feeling than to have that done." -Matt Stairs
.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Sep 28, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oooh, a graphic pun!
"When you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout, and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, there's no better feeling than to have that done." -Matt Stairs
let's never ever trade for someone who'll be a free agent at the end of the year, ever again.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
unless he's a totally greedy selfish f***er
whom only plays for himself…
then again, I don’t want any of those, either.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
"Holiday duzn't care!!!11" is the zombie of thread topics
It’s so dead it’s undead, but it doesn’t know it’s undead. And it just… won’t… stop.
Thank God this one was funny.
Nice Leroy
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We miss you at StR
When can we expect you back?
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
As of now
I’m not coming back. But, thanks anyway.
For the record, I’m not sure what’s better in the Colorado portion: The goofy ass smile, or the Lego guy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I believe you have miscounted...
For the Colorado section you missed the pic of Holliday wearing a red top.
He is smiling in that one, so that raises his total Colorado score to 7.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Your best work ever, JediL.
An damn, did you inspire the crew. I don’t laugh all that easily, but I had a number of full-out belly laughs on this thread. Just what the doctor ordered to help me let go of a long day and get a good night’s sleep.
Every now and then something gives me fabulous surplus value over the effort of the click. Thanks. Thanks a lot!
how come the horse isn't moving, captain?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Sep 28, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news
I can’t believe Star Trek isn’t coming out in stores until November 17th. What a rip. I’m waiting to get a Blu-Ray player for this specific purpose. Throw me a bone, Paramount!
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Fucking Paramount.
Let’s storm Hollywood and BURN IT TO THE GROUND.
Not a shred left standing. I’ll pack a lunch.
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
cool
we can take the Metro home after
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Sep 28, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
(maybe we can swing over to USC after and see cityplANner,
and tell him we know of a project that’s opened up)
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as you get me some
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
oops, i meant
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Sep 28, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never been, but okay.
After we go see Larry and get the money back. I just hope the little bastard hasn’t spent it all yet.
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 28, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
as they say on AMC
This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps!!!
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
Throw me a bone, Paramount
TWSS
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Don't be greedy.
One mount is enough. Don’t need a pair.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Seriously, what player would enjoy having to play in that tarp covered stadium in Oakland
and be made to wear silly white shoes to play baseball? Not to mention ending up in last place in the AL West.
You must have missed the "Incontrovertible Evidence that White Shoes Make You Faster" thread.
"Who cares about some smile data"
He also must have missed the "Incontrovertible Evidence that White Shoes Are Awesome" thread.
I won't heal, given time.
I won't try to change your mind.
I won't feel better in the cold light of day.
But I wouldn't stop you if you wanted to stay.
And I will get right to work on my "Incontrovertible Evidence that White Shoes Make You Hotter" thread.
by whiteshoes40 on Sep 29, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
especially with white backseam stockings...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 29, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't need it.
His quick is quicker than your quick.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
take it back...
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
I'm sure there are classy Angels fans out there
None of them, however, are from Halos Heaven.
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
Good Research
Definitely rock solid research. The A’s have played much better since Holliday left, maybe they’d be in the playoffs if he’s been gone all year…
ハンドバッグ!か。!
Travis Buck's hair: "Wash me!"
by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Sep 29, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
I’ve got your picture, I’ve got your picture
I’d like a million of them all round my cell
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 29, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, the team sucked when he was here, and they're playing much better now.
However, I don’t see how we can really complain since we ended up with a possible 3B replacement.
….any pictures of Brett Wallace smiling?
We'll always have
this. And this. Followed by this Culminated by this. Holy crap that was the best game ever.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
Best game of the year.
Followed by last week’s comeback.
by LoneStranger on Sep 29, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That was an awesome game. The best I have personally seen.
I liked how some of the fans in the diamond level were pointing at the ball when Suzuki couldn’t find it. I also liked how Ray Fosse screamed YES! when Cuddyer was called out. The only thing that could have made that ending better would be for Cuddyer to actually be out, but hey, I’ll take it..
If the Twins lose the division by 1 game this year they might look at this game and think what could have been.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Aren't hatred and indifference mutually exclusive states of being?
I think your point was that he was indifferent to his bad play because he hated being in Oakland.
I think I answered my question.
So, why did I bother hitting the “post” button?
Well, I haven’t yet, so there’s really no sense in using the past tense.
Yet…
Holliday looks roided up in that first pic w/ Rockies...
Maybe it is just the uniform? :)
"What a joke." ~ Booby Crosby
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