"I made Ray Fosse Famous"
by coffee roaster on Sep 22, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
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Pete Rose may have been a great baseball player, but he's still an insufferable ass.
To recap: contrary to popular myth making, Rose's takeout of Ray Fosse in the 1970 ASG did not end his career. At the time of the collision, Fosse was only 23 years old and in his sophomore year with the Indians. He was on the AL All-Star squad due to his hot start in the '70 season: 16 HRs at the break, a power-hitting catcher with an unlimited future. While the blow didn't end his career - he played 9 more seasons in the majors, and the career-wrecking injury was actually a neck injury he sustained in 1974 breaking up a clubhouse fight between Reggie Jackson and Billy North - he lost his power swing due to the serious shoulder injury from the Rose collision. He never hit more than 12 HRs in a season post-Rose.
Could he have been one of the best offensive catchers of his time? Possibly. But one thing is for certain: With two World Series rings on a dynastic Oakland A's franchise, two Gold Gloves, and two ASG appearances it didn't take a lout like Pete Rose to make him famous. Rose simply made him notorious for being the recipient of a massive body blow in a game that didn't count.
This video is a couple of years old, but I doubt Rose's viewpoint has changed much. In it, he's telling his fuckwitty acolytes (the gales of laughter are truly repulsive) that he, Pete Rose, made Ray Fosse famous.
Pete Rose Insults Ray Fosse in Cooperstown 2007 (via pauldyer33)
One would think that after almost 40 years some graciousness might creep into the dialogue. One would be wrong.
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Close your mouth you idiot
(that applies to both morons in the clip) seriously, that guy on the left has his mouth open the whole time.
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by micdog2001 on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Their nostrils are for decoration only,
and have long since been plugged with cheese.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen this video quite a few times before
And can’t help but laugh at what losers those two guys are. For them, this is the biggest moment of their lives and they’ll do whatever they can for that 15 seconds that Pete Rose will talk to them.
And as far as Pete Rose goes, the man is stuck doing weekly signings in Vegas in order to maintain an income. Ray Fosse still gets to be around the game and has maintained respect as a class act and an enjoyable human being.
As far as I’m concerned, he’s the better of the two because he doesn’t have to live with being a terrible human being…
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by stranahanahan on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I totally agree ...
I’m watching the video and all I’m thinking about is burying the drunk a-hole in the Indians jersey … everyone already knows what a douche Rose is.
I can’t stand people who think it’s cool to get their picture taken with a “celebrity” and then just stand there and giggle and gawk like a twelve-year old school girl. What a loser. Indians … figures. Giants or Red Sox would’ve been the only other alternatives.
I guarantee you that clown knows very little about baseball … but “hey, I met Pete Rose and laughed at his jokes!!”
His wife is miserable, and while he’s away at Cooperstown, the mailman can’t wait to work his route. In more ways than one.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Cleveland
…is terribly annoying to watch games in anyway. The fans there are total asses about wearing the visiting team’s jerseys, hats, etc. At one point one smarted me off about my A’s hat and I was like, “Look, listen, I’m here spending money at your team’s ballpark… and you hurl smart-assed insults about ‘the A’s suck man’. Show some class. Christ.” Progressive Field is a nice ballpark and all but those Tribe fans are intolerable.
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by bluelightrain84 on Sep 23, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eff 'em all
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by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Complete low-life
If it wasn’t for baseball, rose would have been sweeping floors somewhere. It was pretty obvious from this video that Rose and his Indian-fan buddies are operating at pretty close to retarded.
by Bitey on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pete Rose's haircut is enough punishment for what he did to Ray.
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by travdog6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The two should get in a cage match
I’m certain that Fosse would win easily since he still looks in good shape whereas Pete’s entire body looks like a flat tire.
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by Helloooo 1st on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Oh, and one other thing ..."
the reason Fosse doesn’t work car shows with you, Pete, is obvious. Unlike you, he isn’t two months late on his studio apartment rent … you know, the one you decorate with beer cans and this month’s centerfold from Juggs magazine. You prick.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a pretty solid centerfold, though.
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by mikev on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Ray has a real job, unlike Rose. “Look how awesome I was back in the 70’s, $5 for an autograph please.”
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by micdog2001 on Sep 22, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
enough with the Pete Rose hate.
Just go to Cooperstown in July and watch him sit by himself for four hours while people stare at him like he’s a baboon in a cage. This year, not one person offered to pay for the chance to talk to him and he basically stared at the wall the entire time.
His life is so devoid of any real meaning at this point, it’s hard to hate the guy.
Nick Swisher is handsome.
by ChrisCEIT on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a reflection more on your good naturedness than anything else...
As for me, with my bottomless pool of everlasting hate, it’s real easy to hate Pete Rose.
I hope he gets inflicted with multiple varieties of rare, unremovable parasites, and twitches uncontrollably for years to come.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 22, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When things happen beyond your control
and a person becomes bitter … I feel sorry for him.
When you go out of your way to be a complete ass? And people don’t like you because of it? Wear it.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
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by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't trying to be so metaphoric.
Next time I’m there, I’ll ask for his picture and then throw peanuts at him.
He’s worthless. Not worth any of the time spent in this thread.
Nick Swisher is handsome.
by ChrisCEIT on Sep 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
What a fucking prick
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by Cheezombie on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep wondering why the c-x or z function isn't working in this post
then I remembered a DLD that I posted with a youtube video embedded in it. Someone told me embedding videos disables those button functions. not that big a deal, just thought I would mention it.
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by micdog2001 on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not having a problem using z in here
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by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am someone who often has trouble with c, x, z,
but they’re working fine for me here.
Caveat: I didn’t actually play the YouTube. Possibly that makes a difference.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 22, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did play it ;-)
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by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not either
I read the posts and decided it would just piss me off. My “z” is working fine
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by BERRYJO on Sep 22, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try clicking on some non-hyperlinked text on the page
then try c ,x, z again. Your browser might think you’re still in the youtube clip, where c, x, and z don’t do anything.
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by Nick on Sep 22, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks guys
it finally started working for me. must have been something else. (like operator error)
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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by micdog2001 on Sep 22, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was 10
I went with my G’father to LA Dodger games (he had season tickets), I collected around 30 signatures at the stands, and I will never forget Pete Rose barking at me, “10 bucks kid”, when I asked for his autograph. I nearly cried at the time.
To this day I hate the man.
by hishnik on Sep 22, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray is a total homer, and talks about ribs and dibs too much
but I’ve really grown to admire and appreciate him. One of the big reasons is that this asshole completely changed his career — he looked like he had HOF talent, and Rose destroyed his shoulder.
But despite that, and despite Rose saying crap like this, Ray keeps a very positive attitude, including when he talks about Rose and the ‘71 AS Game. He’s never bitter. I think Ray sees himself as incredibly fortunate to have played on 2 WS winners with the A’s, and is more than satisfied with the career he’s had.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Sep 22, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Fosse is often a doofus as a broadcaster, but he’s a likable and admirable guy.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 22, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's very poor at his job, but as a person he seems quite likable, yes.
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by OldhamA on Sep 23, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now see....
I don’t get this. I like listening to Ray. I like the fact that he’s a “homer” for the home nine. He’s entertaining, and I like his old school stories. To me, he’s like having an uncle around that you really like. Even when he’s drinking.
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by alox on Sep 24, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Kuiper on the other hand has no redeemable qualities as a pxp guy. Get someone good in the booth with Foss and he’ll spend more time focused on the game and where his real talents lay.
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by DMOAS on Sep 24, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
watching the A's "classic" game last night
made me yearn for Greg Pappa again. I like Ray but agree about most of what people are saying about him.
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by micdog2001 on Sep 25, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking only for myself,
reasons to find Fosse wanting:
1. if you’re actually relying on him for radio play-by-play, you may as well forget it. Fosse doing play-by-play is not just like Cust in RF; it’s like Cust in CF.
2. His player interviews are famously and comically non-questioning in nature.
That said, I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s “very poor at his job”, so long as we understand his job is for color and not play-by-play. I stand by my characterization of “often a doofus”, which I consider entirely compatible with being a lovable uncle.
By the way, I only know the radio team. I haven’t watched a local TV broadcast since 2003. I have no idea if Fosse is good on TV.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 24, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding point # 2
He seriously needs to learn to ask better questions and not just restate the same question (or ONLY) question he has just asked!! I’d say his TV and radio commentating are pretty similar……I mean he talks about food just as much if he is on radio or TV!!
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." Red Barber
by BERRYJO on Sep 24, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV and radio don't need the same sort of commentary
On TV you’re getting a lot of your information from the visual, so you don’t need as much in the way of game description.
If a guy is pretty much the same on TV and radio, it’s entirely possible that he’s good at one and lousy at the other.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 24, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not disagreeing at all....I just think he's not the best at either.
Over this season (one in which I have probably watched and listened to many more games) I find I am less tolerant of him as a broadcaster. He does bring an interesting insider perspective in his calling of the game. I do appreciate this about him. I will say that it must be a challenge to be fresh and new for as many games as they have to work.
But I am also in total agreement that he seems like a good guy.
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." Red Barber
by BERRYJO on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: #1, oh. my. god. Why would anyone ask him to do pxp. Why??? He’s more like Cust playing CF with the left & right fielder moved into the infield.
Re: #2, thankfully I sincerely don’t care about interviews. I care about the game. As long as he’s not doing #1, I can ignore the #2.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Sep 24, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true
Fosse comes off as someone who could be friends with anyone…even Pete Rose.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think he walked the walk WRT toughness
His Kendall manlove got a little tiresome, but as nice as he is on t.v. I think Ray was an incredibly tough player. He played most of his career with a torn up shoulder; he broke his neck breaking up that fight between Reggie and Billy North, and was back on the field like 2 months later — playing catcher. The things he loved about Kendall’s style of play are things he exemplified as a player himself.
Even for a catcher, he seems to have had a pretty high pain tolerance and not a whole lot of fear. But unlike Charlie Hustle, he doesn’t wear that on his sleeve.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Sep 22, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I may get annoyed with some of what he says on the air related to product placement (which I’m sure he’s told to do in part) and his homerism in ways, but he’s always come off as a good guy to me.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
by Flashfire on Sep 22, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What blows me away
Is that Ray has said in interviews that to this day the shoulder is extremely painful and he has trouble raising his arm. He’s lived with this shredded shoulder for 39 years, will live with it from age 23 to death, and he’s still not bitter or hateful about Rose.
Which is why it’s so repulsive seeing Rose so bitter and hateful about him and yukking it up about how he ‘just wanted to ask him how he was’ when he essentially crippled him for life.
by coffee roaster on Sep 22, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I made Jaycee Lee Dugard famous"
Too soon?
The point is, even if you do make someone famous, it doesn’t automatically follow that you did that person a favor.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Sep 22, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh lordy...
that’s f’d up like the human centipede!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 22, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally in the case of Fosse
It was his hard play that made him famous. It really didn’t matter who came barreling down the line to take him out. He was an All-star all on his own. He held his ground all on his own. He took the blow all on his own. Pete didn’t do any of those things. Pete was just the jackass who hit him and gloated about it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Sep 22, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a loser
I love rose but come on you respect Ray and the game Pete i love you but your a fucking loser and you hate waking up in the morning because you know your a loser
by Tambo45 on Sep 22, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
c-x function fritzed again for me
what am I doing wrong! :-(
whatever.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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by micdog2001 on Sep 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the video. It killed the c-x star.
by LoneStranger on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
although people weren’t having problems yesterday.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Sep 23, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not having any problems with it.
But then I randomly click around the page before I do a ‘z’ anyway. It’s an OCD of sorts.
by LoneStranger on Sep 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried the random clicking
I tried again after posting and I also tried playing the clip all the way through and then clicking and posting. still no workey. I did once yesterday.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Sep 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Pete Rose at the Venician in Vegas
I really can’t stand the guy. A great player, but just an ass of a person. I started yelling Ray Fosse! in the mall next to his signing booth. No one was in line for his book signing. I felt I vindicated Foss a bit.
by asyouwish33 on Sep 23, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw Pete Rose this year in Cooperstown.
It was a sad sight. It’s like nobody wanted anything to do with him. It must suck to be pitied…
by jeffro on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pete Rose is a stroke.
Plain and simple. He is also a classic bully and egomaniac. I will give him props for being a great baseball player, but he bats .000 as a human being.
I like Fosse and think he does a real solid job on the A’s telecasts. He is no where near the homer like Hawk Harrelson or those tools for the Angels.
by KCa's on Sep 24, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing but love for Foss...
…the hard play, the good nature in the face of having his elite skills diminished so early in his career.
He’ll never be Bill King, but I don’t think he’s ever aspired to…
Even though I once got dangerously tipsy playing the “Ray Fosse Dibs Drinking Game” I still smile when he goes on his eating rants.
Pete Rose has always been known to be an ass. Being a short-short man in regards to Ray Fosse is low on the list of sins he’s committed against the game.
by HardensGirl on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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