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A's Sweet On Sowers -- Suzuki Leads 16-hit Barrage As Carson, Kilby Get "Firsts"

Rajai Davis started the bottom of the 1st by striking out against Jeremy Sowers, and if Sowers knew how to "sell high" he would have called it a day right there and then. Mark Ellis followed with a HR, then Kurt Suzuki followed that with a double and the next four batters singled. By the time Sowers exited with nobody out in the 2nd, he had allowed 9 hits and a walk, and would be charged with 6 runs.

Leading Oakland's 16-hit attack were Suzuki (single, double, HR), along with Nomar Garciaparra, Bobby Crosby, Daric Barton, Matt Carson, and Cliff Pennington (2 hits a piece).

Did he say Matt Carson? That's right -- Carson got his first big league hit today, shortly before getting his second one. And on the same day, Brad Kilby earned his first major league win. That's because Gio Gonzalez, on his 24th birthday, could not get through a 4th inning that featured a key error by Crosby but also Gioesque wildness and an inability to pitch through adversity. Just another day at the office for the A's bullpen, though: 5.1 IP, 1 run.

Six in a row for the A's, who are over .500 since the All-Star Break and sizzling in September. Don't fall in love in September? Why not -- I have nothing better to do.

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m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Sep 19, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure lots of September romances began

because there was nothing better to do…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by OaklandSi on Sep 19, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I was born in June...Do the math...

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 19, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So were my mum, my uncle and my wife.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Sep 19, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My math says that

conception is not when romance begins so much as when it ends.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 19, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey dahn...

Why don’t you ever post any poems? I really liked your Halo hate ones.

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 19, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your parents

really liked Sal bando’s cup of coffee?

by Future Ed on Sep 19, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winz!

I still think 2010 will be a break out year for Gio, he can do this.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Sep 19, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As long as he works in the offseason

I remember him coming into Spring Training 2009 all out of shape.

They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!

by muffinpryde on Sep 19, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean with a "mike v sized ass"?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 19, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 20, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely got the stuff

But wildness and some combination of bad luck or not being focused can lead to his downfall at times. Then we get games where he shuts the other team out with 8 K’s which tells us that he can be a really good pitcher.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 19, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so lemme get this straight

May-September romances end in September, so you’re supposed to what, have a short 3-week fling while you’re waiting for October? Someone needs to write some sort of Serial Monogamy for Dummies manual for this stuff.

I started growing a beard about a week ago and I ain’t shaving until we lose. So I figure by the time next spring rolls (mmm, spring rolls :drool:) around and we’re going for #21 to break the consecutive win streak record, I will be ready to star in the Dada version of The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams. Or maybe I’ll play Billy Gibbons in the ZZ Top Story, just need one of those Gibson Custom Pearly Gates guitars and I’m in.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Sep 19, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah hah hah hah hah

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 19, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was the "sell high" snark possibly directed to those members of the community...

who might be pushing to do exactly that with Prince Rajai this off-season?

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Sep 19, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nico, snarky?

"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."

by OptimistPrime on Sep 19, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know....what was I thinking...

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Sep 19, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, there was no intended snark

“Sell high” is a pretty common baseball term.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 19, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I wished it were that way, though. I have a hard time believing that it’s a great idea to automatically look to trade Rajai and “sell high” on him right now or anytime soon just because he’s performing well. Sure, the BABIP is not sustainable and he’s a little too old to really “build around” but what the heck is another team going to give up for someone of his caliber? A B-level pitching prospect in Double-A? An A-minus pitching prospect in the Rookie League? Are those “pieces” really worth getting rid of someone who just might be a solid catalyst for an interesting, potentially-borderline-competitive 2010 team?

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Sep 19, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good lord

If someone were willing to give up an A- pitcher in any level of the minors I would jump at that deal.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for rajai? unlikely

Rajai reminds me of scutaro. His value might be higher to the A’s, than other teams. If they trade rajai and wanted pitching in return maybe they’d get like an equivalent prospect like a mortensen, godfrey, banwart type.

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 19, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Scutaro as much as the next A’s fan, but I think it’s important to note that most of us wouldn’t really be having major regrets if Scutaro hadn’t suddenly developed a Barry Bonds-like eye and plate discipline this year. A OPS+ of 111 fueled by 89 BB’s with a slugging percentage barely north of .400 for the first time in his career screams for a huge regression next year.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet that you are right Taj

I doubt that the A’s can find a sucker GM to give up someone really valuable for Davis. He’s been someone for the team to rally around. His best value is to the A’s. I hope he stays( unless a sucker does show up).

by IM4Oakgal on Sep 19, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That kind of thinking...

…will always mean that the A’s won’t compete. You can’t keep trading the present for the future, over and over and over again. There are too many top prospects in places like the rookie league that don’t pan out to give up the potential to be a contender or near-contender in 2010, particularly when dealing with a catalyst like Rajai Davis.

Otherwise, I wait until there’s a more appropriate time, during the season if the A’s aren’t competitive, or next off-season when there’s an outfield glut. If someone wants to offer an A- prospect and Rajai’s place is filled here in Oakland, then I think it’s a decent idea. But now - no way. As PT pointed out, maybe you trade Davis for a SS or 3B top prospect who’ll play in 2010. Maybe.

by richwol1 on Sep 19, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We just differ

On believing that Rajai will keep up his current offensive prowess. I’m of the belief that he won’t sniff these numbers again and that if someone offers an A- prospect you take it.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Sell high" was an AN meme long before Rajai came along.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 19, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to sell high, you have to be high

and to be honest, the only times the A’s have been high involved illegal narcotics this year.

by MobiusKlein on Sep 19, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Travis get to play?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 19, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

geren

hitting hairston/nomar/crosby trio in the middle order worked out today, but playing nomar/crosby is irrelevant to this team’s plans

why use ziegler/wuertz w/ a 4 -5 run lead, they recalled 5 or 6 relievers over the past month + to avoid overuse in situations. If they are worried about durability/pitch counts for SPs, it should be the same with the relievers. Hrod couldve been used in this “low pressure” situation

carson- Even if this is temporary filler as reward for a good AAA season, they need to evaluate buck, cunningham, patterson, etc just as they are doing w/ barton, pennington, rajai, sweeney in recent weeks. I would say the same for everidge who should be up here, filling that nomar role vs lefties.

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 19, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A's 2009 season issues in a nutshell...

but contrary to the game plan a victory resulted here.

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Sep 19, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't at the game so didn't get to see Gio firsthand

but I wish Geren had left him in there. This is the perfect time for him to learn to work through some issues. And I agree, I hate seeing Weurtz pitching in low-pressure situations.

by faninphilly on Sep 19, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5 walks in 3 innings.

That’s plenty of a chance. The guy is too inconsistent, and while I won’t mind him being penciled in for a rotation spot in 2010, I also wouldn’t mind him making the transition to long relief.

Great stuff. No poise. I’d rather the A’s sign a middling veteran SP instead, honestly.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gio is basically a middling veteran SP right now, for a fraction of the cost, and with the potential to develop into something really good if he ever cuts down the walks. If we’re going to be signing a veteran SP next year, it really shouldn’t be to displace Gio from the rotation.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

I guess our definitions of middling differ quite a bit.

The guy has a WHIP of 1.81. This is significantly more than league average, which is what I’m arguing for.

He really needs more than two pitches, and a better psychological facet. One of these might develop. Both is a very dicey proposition.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the WHIP is ugly. But it’s been somewhat inflated by a .374 BABIP. Obviously that is in part because he’s been all too hittable, but my guess is that even bottom-of-the-barrel pitchers don’t have a BABIP north of .350 over the course of 80 IP. Looking at WAR, he’s been worth ~0.67 WAR in 81.2 IP. Project that out to 200 IP (a full season) and he’s worth around 1.7 WAR, which is slightly below major league average, as I recall. In other words, a middling veteran SP is likely to give the A’s about the same level of production next year for about >10 times the cost.

A lot of us have noted that he needs something other than just his fastball and his curveball. I think the psychological aspect of his game will come with time, and probably goes hand-in-hand with having enough confidence to trust that whatever third pitch he develops (e.g. his change) won’t get slammed every time he tosses it.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, he’s pitched 82.2 IP, not that really affects much.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's not quite as terrible as his WHIP implies.

I’ll concede that. In any event he still has a long way to go to even approach league average, regardless of what one wishes to assume about how he’ll progress over the winter.

He’s benefited plenty from a very solid bullpen as well. And ultimately, even if his BABIP are higher than the norm, he has allowed hitters to reach base at a .389 clip or something. Even if some hitters are getting lucky against Gonzalez, that leaves an incredible amount of walks to account for.

In other words, I don’t believe that Gio’s atrocious statistics represent an anomaly as much as they do the low part of his potential. I guess he could develop into a league average hurler and I hope he does.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s pretty much already a league average hurler. He’s just league average in a different way than most people are average, e.g. more K’s and BB’s than league average.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

obp
slg
ops
home runs (15 in 80 or so innings)

It isn’t just statistical happenstance that makes Gio look bad, and it isn’t a case of small sample size.

It’s great that you are optimistic about him turning it around, but I have far less faith in Gio.

I would trade half of those strike outs for a stat that actually meant something. He has the third worst OOBP among pitchers with 80 innings or more.

Gio will get another chance, that’s not up for debate. And altogether, I can accept his presence in the back of the rotation while Outman/Braden/Duke recover.

I’d love for his trajectory to be Randy Johnson-esque, but I think his only hope as a starter is to reinvent himself, and stop relying on strikeouts. He may find that this leads to a reduction in walks and extra base hits which, combined with the unflappability of a true veteran, will result in a polished and dependable major league starting pitcher.

The above scenario is not likely, especially if he lacks the psychological capability to reinvent himself (likely).

We can afford a known-quantity type SP going forward, and I’d rather have that type of guy every 5th game than Gio’s Grab Bag.

But like I said, unless he gets traded he will get another crack at the rotation and a chance to make me look like a Debbie Downer. Awesome.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record, e.g. != i.e., so yes, I could’ve listed a bunch of other stats as you did. If you list OBP and SLG, as ststas where he’s among the league leaders (and not at the right end of the leaderboard), it’s funny to list OPS as well, given that it’s simply OBP + SLG. Not an attack on you at all, just an amusing note to me.

I think we’d all trade 3 K/9 for 2 BB/9 (not that we can), because it would bring his walk rate down to the acceptable range. Randy Johnson is always the diamond in the rough, strike the mother lode comparison for every pitcher who is wild but still K’s 1/IP (especially lefties). Based on that alone, I’d rather continue to give him chances at the majors league level than go after a known, league average quantity. I’m fairly convinced that at this point, Gio is just a shade under average at the MLB level. Spending money on a veteran SP also means that that money won’t be spent elsewhere to upgrade other positions of need, like half the infield.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Your entire first paragraph is borderline condescending. None of that actually needed clarification. An amusing note to yourself is something you keep to yourself.

The A’s can probably afford suitable infielders without breaking the bank on an actual starting pitcher. I don’t think they’ll do it, but that’s just fine also.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's also inflated by a pretty high walk rate

Among the main A’s starters this year it goes like this (per 9 innings, today’s start factored in):

Gonzalez: 5.7
Mazzarro: 3.8
Cahill: 3.6
Outman: 3.3
Braden: 2.8
Anderson: 2.4

In Gio’s favor, he also has the best strikeout rate:

Gonzalez: 9.6
Anderson: 7.6
Outman: 7.1
Mazzarro: 5.8
Braden: 5.3
Cahill: 4.7

He’s got stuff, though like you note he needs one or two more pitches he can throw with confidence. He needs the consistency.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Sep 19, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he needs:

control
additional mastery of pitches
a vastly improved mental/emotional skill set

Thus far he’s gotten by on pure stuff, nothing wrong with giving such a guy a fair shake. But over 120 innings he hasn’t progressed much, if at all.

With those three major areas of improvement in mind, I think its unlikely that he reaches a plateau of competence as a starter. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he’ll conquer two of the three demons.

His control isn’t just bad. It’s obscene.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A fastball and a curve

will not get it done as a starter.

He may end up in the pen.

Needs to work on his change for 2010

by Trainman on Sep 20, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way Gio will get the poise he requires

is to keep wheeling him out there to learn, learn and learn some more.
Just giving up on him as a starter after 2 part-seasons is terrible decision making.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Sep 19, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then he's a confident and poised starter.

With two reliable pitches. I don’t think he can overcome enough of his challenges to become a solid starter.

I believe he can overcome enough of them to be a very valuable middle reliever or swing man.

I think the same thing about Mazarro. Call me conservative on pitching prospects-Joe Slusarski broke my heart once and I never got over it.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no such thing as a very valuable middle reliever or swing man

That’s like saying “a very wet desert”.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 20, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exceptions to prove the rule

some relievers are more valuable than others and that must make 1 or 2 of them very valuable.

and LA… thanks to imported water: a very wet desert.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 20, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even deserts have an oasis or two.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 20, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is the worst that could happen

the A’s lose the game? SO what. today was a day Gio should have gotten through the bad inning.

by Future Ed on Sep 19, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's the whole issue.

He lacks the mental makeup to do so, in my opinion. Leaving him in there only worsens his mind state, and he’s proven this over and over this season. I don’t think he’s progressed one iota in the last season plus.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we talking about the same pitcher? I’m just curious what makes you think he’s not gotten better at all. Compared to ‘08, this year his K rate is up, his BB rate is down, obviously as a result his K/BB rate is far better, the HR/9 is better (by almost a full HR). As far as I can tell, he’s a vastly improved pitcher this year.

As far as I can tell, normalizing his BABIP to .290 would take away ~18 or so hits, leaving his WHIP at 1.58, still a very ugly number. His HR/FB% is also slightly higher than league average (~14.3%) Normalizing both of those would make a lot of his stats look quite a bit better.

2009 has not been a great year for him by any means, but he has certainly improved over the 2008 version.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still see the same pitcher.

While I understand that normalizing those numbers would help him out, it’s a rather,um, pointless point.

My whole argument is that he is not capable of performing statistically at this level, and regardless of whether individual stats have shown improvement, Gio still belongs in the “bad” class of pitchers. His progress would have to be positively revolutionary for him to be worthwhile, IMHO. Yeah, he’s pretty young. On the other hand, failure for pitching prospects is the rule, not the exception.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again: what (quantifiable) things are the same as before?

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I just explained it. None of his improvements point to a meaningful change in his approach to the game or his level of success. His specific rates have changed, but not so much that he’s a significantly better pitcher.

I’m not arguing for a purely quantitative analysis, but there is no getting around the fact that Gio Gonzalez sucks, statistically speaking. There may be faith on your part that he can overcome all of his difficulties and continue to improve at the same rate or greater (and not level off), but I don’t share it. What it comes down to is that Gio Gonzalez hasn’t actually been consistently successful yet. I take this as evidence that he never will be. To me that makes sense.

Some people have faith in Ryan Sweeney too based on his potential and possible statistical progression, but its all speculation until he breaks out (or does not). For now he hasn’t, so it’s kind of bizarre to assume that he will. Not an attack on you at all. Just an observation on my part.

Anyhow, we’ll see next year.

by Rancho Canseco on Sep 19, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to the we’ll see next year part. I’m hoping that he does some work in the offseason to work on at least a third pitch.

by speckops on Sep 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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im so Fing drukn
 b-schooll is awesome

Save Rajai Davis

by oakinboston on Sep 19, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amazing what winning does...

A couple of months ago, I would’ve said to trade in virtually the entire team and try again. Now I’m thinking: Well, maybe if Beane re-signs Orlando Cabrera for insurance at third and short (and Adam Kennedy if Eric Chavez is forced to retire before the season), and maybe if he re-signs Brett Tomko as a back of the rotation veteran, finds a good back-up catcher and makes Landon Powell the regular DH, this team could be going places in 2010. (Yes, that means either trading or non-tendering Jack Cust).

by richwol1 on Sep 19, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

takes a great artist to draw a crowd with a sharpie…

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 20, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington

btw, is it just me or is pennington looking like a player?
or is he pulling september ’07 barton?

by tas7b on Sep 19, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

September ‘07 Barton had had a more impressive (if streaky) minor league career than ’09 Pennington has. I like what Cliff’s doing, but I don’t expect a repeat in aught-ten.

by DDroney on Sep 19, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Pennington plays a defensive position

The question isn’t whether he can lead the A’s in SLG next season, or OPS 800+. The question is whether he can hit well enough to be a reasonably good player given his defensive contributions. His performance over the first couple months of his first real chance in the majors gives me some hope that he can hold his own offensively next season.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 20, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that like a free throw contest?

where the team with the most bloop hits wins?

by Future Ed on Sep 19, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the Texas Leaguer title

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 20, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love and hate the winning

I love to win, but hate that with every victory, we get a worse draft pick.

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Sep 19, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK!!! Way to ruin a joke...

They need a preview button on this thing!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 20, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great news, Zonis: If the team keeps winning

and gets a lower draft pick, it will cause them to lose more…which means a better draft pick! Yay!!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 20, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi from 117

Lynnzgal says hi

by OaklandSi on Sep 20, 2009 12:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

Way to keep the conversation going, OSi!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Sep 21, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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