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The Case for Daric Barton

I'm back to continue my series of making the case for the future of various A's players with Daric Barton.

I'm going to warn my readers now that this will be a fairly math-involved fanpost, but I assure you, it is not to put off those who are wary of the old number, but rather to prove a point. Moreover, my data comes from before tonight in which Barton had quite a good game, getting on base a few times, and stroking a double.

This post will tie in as well to Nico's excellent luck/skill debate on BABIP on the front page.

Without further ado, I give you Daric Barton's rate stats from 2009 in 114 PAs.

BB: 14.3%

K: 17.7%

ISO: .156

BABIP:  .237

Other useful information: Barton's career BABIP in the majors is: .278, and he has hit 3 HRs in 114 PAs so far this year.

Join me after the jump as I use these numbers to predict a full season of Daric Barton based on what appears to be his skill level right now.

Star-divide

For the purposes of this fanpost we are going to assume that these rate stats are indeed Barton's current ability level. Small sample size applies of course, but the numbers are not far from his career stats, they are in line with his minor league track record, and are for the most part not unreasonable.

I'm writing this fanpost for a few reasons, but the most prominent is that as I've watched Barton this year since being called back up I've been struck by how good he's looked at the plate. His pitch selection is excellent and he seems to be driving the ball well and making excellent contact. The basic stats have obviously not shown it, so I want to see what a full season of this, where his BABIP evens out, would look like.

So here we go:

A full season would contain roughly 600 PAs. With a 14.3% walk rate, this projects Barton to walk 86 times. This leaves 514 ABs (disregarding sacrifice flies, because I don't know how to project sacrifice fly rates and I forgot to try) coupled with a 17.7% K rate, giving him 91 Ks.

Barton has hit 3 HRs in 114 PAs so far, and for the sake of this study that will be extrapolated as HR/PA over the full season, for a 16 HR year.

Now we begin adjusting the stats with his BABIP. Barton's career BABIP is .278 and this is also the BABIP that ZIPS projects for him from here on out. With 514 ABs, -16 HRs, -91Ks, he has 407 ABs in which he puts the ball in play. Of these, 27.8% will fall for hits, giving him 113 non-HR hits. Add back in the 16 HRs and he has 129 hits in a full season. This would give him a .251 BA, with the BB rate, a .358 OBP, and with the ISO a .407 slugging %. This is a triple slash of .251/.358/.407. This is very reasonable, a .765 OPS which is OBP heavy which is good, making him a slightly above-average hitter.

I think this is a fairly reasonable estimate of his skill-set right now.

However, his career major league BABIP is very low. Now, it is possible it is just a skill that he doesn't have. But he has a minor-league track record of having relatively high BABIPs. So let's assume that as Barton gets more comfortable in the majors, his BABIP will rise to about the low end of major-league average at .290.

If 29% of his 407 ball-in-play ABs for fall hits, that gives him 118 non-HR hits, +16 HRs for a total of 134 hits and a .261 average. His OBP goes up to .367 (134 hits + 86BB / 600 PAs), and his slugging % goes up to .417, giving him a triple slash of .261/.367/.417 and an OPS of .784.

Thus with a conservative upgrade in BABIP to the low-end of league average, Barton become arguably the best hitter on the A's.

But let's go one further, just for the sake of analyzing Barton's potential, or maybe just because it's fun.

Barton's career BABIP in AAA is .305. Let's assume that eventually he settles into the majors and his BABIP reverts to his AAA career number. It's not unreasonably high at all, and in fact in 2007 Barton's BABIP was .324 in AAA. So I wouldn't call this a moonshot.

This BABIP gives him 124 non-HR hits, 140 total hits, a .272 BA, a .377 OBP, and a .428 slugging %. That's an OPS of .805, with his excellent first-base defense, making him a very good player right now, with just his current skill set and an optimistic but not over-the-top increase in BABIP. 

So, A's front office. Give Daric Barton another chance next year. It's much too early to give up. Barton only just turned 24, he still has lots of room to improve, and with just a little bit of luck he could be a very good player right now.

I hope you've enjoyed the musings, and I hope Brett Wallace can stick at 3B so we don't have to decide between the two of them.

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If anyone has run Barton through the xBABIP calculator,

I’m sure I’m not the only one interested in seeing the result.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 14, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've tried many times to download it

and for some reason it doesn’t seem to like my computer.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 14, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong? Is it the password on the Excel sheet?

Password’s “tuftsbat” as it says on the THT article.

by danmerqury on Sep 15, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It comes out to .295

Which jibes with King Richard’s second projection.

by CapgrasDelusion on Sep 17, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 17, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you calculate his SLG, how do you include doubles in your calculation of non-HR hits, or do you?

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by Cheezombie on Sep 14, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just use ISO, adding it to his batting average.

That really does the work for you. The only reason I extrapolated HRs the way I did is because it was necessary to use BABIP to calculate total hits.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 14, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

an .800 OPS as a 1B isn not exactly great

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Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Sep 14, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a good point.

But with good defense, it’ll make him an above-average player in his year 23/24 season with room to grow. I guess my study more shows that he still has potential rather than that he’s already achieved greatness.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 14, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton sucks

He always hits better at the end of the season, but he can’t hit major league pitching and he can’t hit for power and he has to play 1st base. What good is he?

by Screamer on Sep 14, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been a huge supporter of getting playing time for Eric Patterson and Daric Barton,

but I’m starting to wonder if they have the same problem. Both were hugely successful throughout their minor league careers, and both suck at the big league level (somewhat of a SSS, but we have some info to work with). I wonder if any of it is tied into their long swings?

Founding member of the Eric Patterson fan club.

by travdog6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Patterson's swing should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Daric Barton's.

Barton’s swing is sometimes a little long, but often beautiful.
Eric Patterson’s swing is an ugly loop better designed for churning butter than hitting a baseball.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 14, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meh

They seem at least a bit similar to me.

Founding member of the Eric Patterson fan club.

by travdog6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by JJ Martin on Sep 15, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the case against daric barton...

-a left-handed stroke that takes about 30 years to follow through (think T. Long)
-the .348 slugging percentage in 2008

I’m all for second chances, but its better suited for prison reform than baseball. If a 23 year old first baseman can’t show any vaguely redeeming offensive traits in a full season other than the ability to take a walk, he’s not going to be an above average regular. I don’t care how well he scoops errant throws.

by natethesnyde on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a part that made me nauseous...

If 29% of his 407 ball-in-play ABs for fall hits, that gives him 118 non-HR hits, +16 HRs for a total of 134 hits and a .261 average. His OBP goes up to .367 (134 hits + 86BB / 600 PAs), and his slugging % goes up to .417, giving him a triple slash of .261/.367/.417 and an OPS of .784.

Thus with a conservative upgrade in BABIP to the low-end of league average, Barton become arguably the best hitter on the A’s.

What a bunch of crappy hitters Oakland has in its line-up.

Barton had the job handed to him in 2008 and he blew it, he doesn’t deserve another exclusive opportunity in 2010. He competes against Doolittle, Wallace, Carter and anyone else the A’s see fit to bring in. May the best hitter win. And if between now and ST someone comes along all hot and heavy, lusting after Barton you trade him and his potential ‘cause there are plenty of 1B options available to the A’s and maybe his departure can fill a hole elsewhere.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF?!?!

Somehow the formatting got all fucked up on that comment.

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by grover on Sep 15, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preview is your friend.

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by iglew on Sep 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like having Doolittle compete with him

because he’s a really good first baseman. I still want Wallace and Carter to try and fill other positions of need (LF, 3B).

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 15, 2009 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm the only one that thinks Doolittle should start in AAA again

I mean, he only played like 30 games this year.

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by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Sep 15, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Doolittle should start in AAA next season

Then again, maybe he’ll do like Bailey did in ST and declare otherwise.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying he shouldn't, exactly.

I think Barton has precious little competition for first if it isn’t Doolittle, is my main point, because I don’t want Carter and Wallace to be first basemen unless it can’t be avoided.

Tommy Everidge should be in the competition, too.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 15, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Firstbase is Barton's to lose

in the same way Center is Davis’ to lose. Neither is written in stone, neither comes with a long leash, but you pencil them in and hope they perform to keep their spot. If a better option shows itself, then you take a look at what you have and move forward from there.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

1B was Barton’s to lose, and he did just that in 2008. Now the job is up for grabs.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

crud...you beat me...

i was gonna say…“if its his to lose, then he’s doing a fine job of losing it.”

by inbillywetrust on Sep 15, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis's 2008 wasn't that great either.

I’d put them in similar categories. The difference is that Barton is competing with Wallace, Carter and Doolittle, whereas Davis is competing with nobody….unless you count Carter and Doolittle as OF’s.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Davis started 2009 as the 5th OFer

Guess I’m not following where you’re going with that comparison.

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by grover on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Difference between Davis & Barton is

age. Davis is at the make-or-break part of his career and right now he’s settled on becoming an everyday big leaguer, like we hoped Barton would do after his blistering 07 callup. Barton then was allowed a full season where at no point did he look like he deserved to be playing everyday, whereas Davis rose to the occasion.

However, Davis is 28 and Barton is 23. I fully expect Barton to be an everyday player by the time he’s 28, not one thats as good as Chris Carter though, and thats why he needs to be dealt.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense, but I'm not sure how that ties in with what WC was saying

I need you to understand… it’s not you, it’s me.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I didn't quite get that either.

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by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to be agreeing that Barton and Davis are in similar tenuous

“first shot” positions going into 2010. That was my point, although clumsily stated.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 16, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I’m saying 1B is up for grabs. It’s a free for all, grab a chain and and a garbage can lid and who ever’s standing at the end gets the job.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 16, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we could have this contest

with all men involved wearing nothing but olive oil and speedos, who would you chose?

Or is this the wrong website for such a question.

[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 17, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm OK with the olive oil

but if you think I’m wearing a damn speedo, well, you’ve got another thing coming mister.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 17, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 17, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still is to lose

Let’s face it, NONE of his competition is MLB ready. None of it. Wallace is going to get a shot at third before first. Neither Doolittle nor Carter should set foot on a MLB field until June/July of ‘10. They need the experience at AAA. That’s how the A’s should be heading into the winter/Spring Training. If this is the case (and sure as hell should be), then the job’s still Barton’s. Now, if one of those two has a HUGE spring (and even then I’d be skeptical) and Barton just tanks, then he loses the job, period. He doesn’t have a solid lock on the job, it’s just tentatively his.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes....

let’s have everyone battle it out in spring training, since, as we all know, spring training performance and early April performance is the best indicator of in-season performance….

by swatnick on Sep 15, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also know that Barton's 2008 season earned him a demotion back to AAA

I guess we could try pulling names out of a hat.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it Barton's 2008 season

or Giambi’s free agency?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I think it was keeping

Crosby & signing Nomar that cost Barton his job. Giambi was to DH mostly, Cust in RF. Then Crosby took a roster spot and we signed nomar both of which were covering Barton’s job and in order to fit the roster together, Giambi was forced into the first base role with Nomar/Crosby.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the plan was to actually have Giambi play a significant amount of 1B

It was a fucking stupid plan.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 15, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

gold thong?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

platinum falsies?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 15, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you had me at hello

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giambi told Marty lurie tonight

that he thinks playing everyday at first made him bad. He was very jolly about it as per usual.

by Future Ed on Sep 16, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the plan

At least it’s what was stated publicly.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 16, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Carter is going to be at first base for this team

Forget Daric Barton

McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there

by streetisclosedin08 on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He still needs some time against AAA pitching

I think the argument about his inability to hit the off speed pitching is important in that he’s not going to learn that in the bigs, he needs to get used to seeing the better pitches in AAA. Give him a couple months there, let him mash some more, and he’ll be ready by June/July.
Of course, he’ll get an extended look in ST and if he shows he can hit big league pitching, it all changes, but for now, I think the A’s have done an incredible job of watching his development and not rushing him, so there’s no reason to do so now…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point was made that even if he looks good in ST it's probably...

…off MLBers who aren’t in midseason mode and aren’t throwing their usual out pitches in those situations, so even then it could be a case of what you see not exactly being 100% valid.

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by Flashfire on Sep 15, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I kind of meant to put that in there. I’m with you and many others that he should not be on the A’s Opening Day roster…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 15, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else

see the irony in a guy with the user name “streetisclosedin08” prematurely giving up on a player?

by swatnick on Sep 15, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton simply has no future in Oakland

He’s so young that a move to the NL can only help him, but 1B and Oakland will be synonymous with Chris Carter circa mid-‘10 and beyond. We also have Dolittle, Wallace and Donaldson who are all about the make the jump to the bigs next year and the year after. Im not saying Barton has no career in the bigs, right now theres absolutely nothing to say he wont become Doug Mientkiewicz part 2….but thats far from the Mark Grace part 2 he was sold to us as having. In a lineup desperate for power he’s simply a terrible fit in Oakland. We dont have Utley at 2B and Hanley at SS, in that situation we could swing not having a power source from the traditional 1B spot. But we dont. We need Carter not Barton.

Barton has no place here long term, so lets try and build his value at play him everyday at 1B until June 2010. At that point if Carter has a 1000 OPS at AAA then its his time and Barton needs to be shopped. If not and Barton has an 850+ OPS then dont fix it and give Carter a full year at AAA….but honestly does anyone see the latter happening? The former is hundreds of times more likely to happen than the latter.

The Giants, Pirates, Nats, DBax and Royals would all be excellent places for Barton to flourish. Let him go people, he’s just an unnecessary guy in the green&gold.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if people said that about Tejada after 1998

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejada didn't have any competition for SS after 1998.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes he did

but you don’t want me to mention his name.

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by BleedGreen on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that situation is a bit different, don’t you? Tejada was a shortstop with power; Barton is a first baseman with hardly any power. Of course you would stick with Tejada, he had far, far more potential to be an impact player.

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by Philip Christy on Sep 15, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejada hit .233/.298/.384 as a 24 year old.

Barton hit .226/.327/.348 as a 22 year old.

No, I’m not saying Barton is going to turn into an .860 OPS MVP caliber player, but the guy should probably get some leeway.

Carter should be in AAA next year. Preferably at a corner outfield spot.

Doolittle should be in AAA as well. He should also stay healthy all year.

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by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, and WALLACE SHOULD BE A THIRD BASE.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AT third base.

Damn keyboard.

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by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a pretty plausible case that Daric Barton would be a better third baseman than Brett Wallace.

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Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I would love if if he converted.

He supposedly hated it there though and was very uncomfortable or something.

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by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was the DB3B experiemnt in 2007?

I remember reading bad things about his defense before he got the 1b job in 2008, then he seemed to turn it around. SO my question is, has anyone asked him to play 3rd in the past 2 years?

by Future Ed on Sep 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mikev clearly is related to Barton or something

LET HIM GO DUDE, HE AINT NO GOOD. You are talking about the 2nd coming of Doug Mientkiewicz like it would cripple the franchise if we gave up on him.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're funny.

I like you.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way too early to call him that

Has his value decreased in the last couple of years, absolutely. Having hot prospects behind you will do that. But so far there’s nothing in the way of him starting ‘10 as our starting first baseman and if that’s the case, why not give him every chance to show us what he’s learned in the last year until one of those hot prospects forces the issue? Especially considering how young he was when he first came up.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sir

are talking about a WORLD CHAMPION base-ball player. THe Althletics Base-Ball team need more WORLD CHAMPION base-ball players. not Fewer.

by Future Ed on Sep 15, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find this FANTASTIC

Given the fact that you’re defending Rajai Davis as if he’s the second coming of Willie Mays.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rickey Henderson, not Willie Mays get it right man

But Raj has played well for more than a month at the big league level, Barton hasnt. Barton is younger, but plays a position where the A’s cannot afford to have a non-masher.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

um yes he did Sept 2007, 2008

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Barton’s OPS+ in his time in the major leagues is 99.

Davis’ OPS+ in his time in the major leagues is 93.

Please. Look shit up. It doesn’t take much time.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you just grab my ass?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 16, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look this shit up.

Barton’s OPS+ in his time with the Oakland A’s is 99.

Davis’ OPS+ in his time with the Oakland A’s is 102.

Always look at the data set that shows you’re right and the other guy’s wrong. That’s how I learned it.

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by iglew on Sep 16, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you justify why Davis' time with the Gnats and the Pirates should be excluded?

You are the one cherrypicking here including all of Barton’s career and only some of Davis’.

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 16, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe I explained my rationale.

I even italicized it.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 16, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In the midst of all this, there could actually be some valid points made that go beyond just this one stat

Barton’s career OPS+ is greatly aided by his first month in the bigs but evened out considerably by all of 2008. This season he’s up to 104 after last night, now 100 for his career – a career that is all of 195 games old, 72% of it coming in one really awful season in which he had a lot of trouble matching what he’d done before as pitchers figured him out.

There’s still a lot that could go either way for Barton but it’s good to see him putting together a couple good weeks as the season winds down. I’m sure he could use the confidence boost heading into next season, especially if he can carry it over.

In Davis’ case, we’re seeing someone who is making the most of the chance to actually play every day, something he rarely got to do in Pittsburgh, though he did in San Francisco in Aug-Sep after the 2007 trade and did a lot of what he’s done with the A’s in getting on base and running. With the A’s he’s hit for some more power.

Last year the Giants gave up on him too early after he started out 1-for-18 and even though he appeared in 102 games for Oakland, he only had 207 PAs because of all the times he was a defensive replacement. For all intents and purposes, he may as well have only got credit for the roughly 40 games he started, the majority of which came starting on August 26.

Funny thing – he had a hit in 12 of those last 17 starts, and his Aug 2008 was much like what he’s been doing for the A’s now.

I think we’re seeing proof that when Rajai Davis is in the lineup on a consistent basis, he puts up good numbers for a top-of-the-order hitter. I don’t think it’s a real surprise for a player to do better with routine playing time instead of only appearing here and there, and that’s why I put more stock into what Davis has done with the A’s (and post-trade when he came to the Giants) than anything else.

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by Flashfire on Sep 16, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if you're joking around or actually accusing the other guy of cherry picking.

But using a data set comprising of a player’s entire career = as far from cherry picking as possible.

Using a data set determined by, of all arbitrary things, a player’s time spent on teams = pretty frickin gratuitous cherry picking.

by Tripp on Sep 16, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this serious?

I can’t figure out if you’re being serious or not.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 16, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you really can't figure it out,

then I have struck exactly the right tone.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 16, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, got it

So you don’t actually give a shit about talking baseball, you want to try and prove some type of point or osmehting.

OK. Keep on keepin on.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 16, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

you effectively combined in one post your twin hobbies of playing the “honest argument policeman” and making bad arguments. An elegant meta-commentary on human bias.

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not quite sure what you said,

but it sounds like you’ve got me pegged pretty well.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 16, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or as famously stated

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on all counts

Give Carter & Doolittle time in AAA and let them prove they can’t handle a non-first base role in there before pushing them to first in the majors.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure with Doolittle

because he is potentially a Gold Glove first baseman. He’s the best fit for that spot if his bat can support it.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 15, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly an ironclad proof, but TotalZone has liked his defense much more in the outfield than at first base.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to know.

He may be good enough to flex in Swisher-like fashion as well. That flexibility actually served the A’s pretty well.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Sep 16, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Sep 15, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm..........

That’s probably when Tejada started juicing.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then we know how to fix Barton!

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 16, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton cant even hit AAA pitching

He has an 816 OPS against AAA pitching in 1130 PA’s.

THIS is the guy you want blocking Carter and Dolittle at 1B?

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no concept of age related to league, do you?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is he blocking them?

Neither of those two are ready for the majors. They both need at least half year more at AAA. When the time comes and they’re banging down the door and Barton STILL hasn’t proven himself worth the spot, I’ll be all for tossing him aside. Until that time comes, I see no reason not to give him the chance.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And can

one of them pretty please play left field?

by Future Ed on Sep 15, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not both?

HELLA range in the outfield that way!

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im with you, actually

BEST CASE SCENARIO:

Barton hits pretty well for the first 3 months, OPS’s between 800-825, Carter OPS’s 1000 at AAA and then one gets traded the other gets brought up.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Cust

goes to the OF and one of them DHs. If Barton sucks, Carter comes up Barton goes back down/traded. Simple as that.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Barton can't even hit AAA pitching"

Followed by:

“He has an .816 OPS against AAA pitching.”

And he’s 23.

Um.

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Sep 15, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine then

lets roll out this lineup in 2010:

1B: Barton
2B: Ellis
SS: Pennington
3B: Wallace
C: Suzuki
LF: Carter
CF: Sweeney/Davis
RF: Dolittle
DH: Cust

who’d i miss?

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why the hell would you want to bring up Wallace, Carter, and Doolittle immediately next year?

They are good, yes, but not ready. And the thing about prospects is, even if they’re good, there’s no frickin guarantee that they’ll work out. So stop acting like Wallace, Carter, and Doolittle are going to be the saviors of the team and that Barton is expendable because they’ll all work out (odds are, they won’t). Honestly, you just have a really bad case of shiny new toy syndrome.

by Tripp on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

SNTS is an acronym which most of AN would do well to get acquainted with.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love that

SNTS, perfect, along with WHYDFML.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not familiar with that second one...

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can figure out WHYFTML (think Janet Jackson)

but I can’t decipher SNTS.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, I mean WHYDFML

deciphering success, typing fail….

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SNTS – from Tripp’s comment above “Shiny New Toy Syndrome”
WHYDFML – “What have you done from me lately”

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny that AN went from

The Island of Misfit Toys in 07 to SNTS in 09

by cityplANner on Sep 15, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want me to understand something,

I think it’s safe to categorically state that making an allusion to a post-70s pop artist is NEVER the right way to go…

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Janet Jackson ever do anything for me period?

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 16, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw her boobie when I was like 12.

Good times. Also made getting tivo totally worth it.

Founding member of the Eric Patterson fan club.

by travdog6 on Sep 16, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain

Why people think Doolittle would be better than Cunningham? I mean, I guess he’s five months younger, but he’s been significantly worse on both sides of the ball.

by swatnick on Sep 15, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find your promotion and trading strategy suspect

I’ll mainly echo what Tripp said.

What reason/evidence do you have to believe that Carter, wallace and Doolittle will come up to the major and start raking immediately?

Even if we assume that Carter’s minor league stats are indicative of his short term performance in the majors (which they will not be at this point ,if only because a number of scouting reports would seem to indicate holes in his swing that he needs to address), neither Doolittle nor Wallace has hit absurdly well in in AAA (OPS of 0.811 at 23 and 0.870 at 24 respectively). Evidence would suggest that if promoted, they would struggle, much like Daric Barton has

Ultimately this is easier if you simply accept that contention must be delayed for a season. The A’s are simply not good enough for 2010. If they don’t rush the talent that they have developing in the minors, they can become truly amazing in 2011 and set the stage for years of contention/dominance.

by eastbayexpat on Sep 15, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Miggy didnt have 3 B+ or better prospects right behind him.

by PL78 on Sep 15, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone find it odd that Barton has a career .854 OPS against lefties?

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by Cheezombie on Sep 15, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Barton

Seems to stay on the ball longer vs. Lefties. Since the 2008 season started, he really seemed to be trying to find his Power stroke, pulling off pitches, opening up and striking out a lot. I really hope the batting coaches have told him to start hitting the ball to all fields again.

by Colorado Fan on Sep 16, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Barton develops some power

I can’t see how the A’s can keep him at first base. They already don’t have power hitters at 3B and RF and while Suzuki is having a nice year he probably will never hit more than 15 home runs at catcher.

You can get away without a power hitter at 1B if you have a slugger at 2B or SS or CF but the A’s are 0-3 on that front so they have to get power somewhere.

You don’t win games because of first base defense so if Barton wants to be the man at first base he better start showing more with his bat.

by sirbed on Sep 15, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Develop Power?

But he is 24 years old, well past the age you need to be to develop power.

er, is this the sweeney thread or the barton thread?

by Future Ed on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Barton will develop power.

i’m just saying that’s the only way he can keep the 1B job. This thread is similar to the Sweeny thread isn’t it.?

Won’t it be nice when we’re debating about good players?

by sirbed on Sep 15, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signed,

Carlos Pena

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that's the scenario you want to root for.

If Barton sucks terribly for four more years, it’ll be some other team – not the A’s – that reap the benefit of his power maturation.

Sadly, I could see it playing out exactly like that. He certainly doesn’t look like a league-average hitting AL first baseman any time soon to me.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Sep 16, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was just continuing my gag.

But I think your analysis is right. I think Barton can pull it together, just not before Carter, dolittle, wallace, cardenas forces him away.

by Future Ed on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was more a response to age 24 being "well past" the point of developing power.

When it’s quite clearly not.

I’m dumb though — I still think Barton should spend the entire offseason with Eric Chavez coaching him at third base.

IF the “Brett Wallace can’t stay at third” camp is right, then screw it, put him at first. If King Richard’s estimates are right, you could do a LOT worse than a .765-.785 OPS at third base with solid defense.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Barton should definitely try 3B out. No idea why you think he’ll be “solid” defensively though, Id settle for medicore or league average as long as he OPS’s 775 or so. He’s not very good at defense, 1B is 100x easier to play than 3B.

by PL78 on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, he was a catcher.

That means blocking balls, etc. He’s got a very good arm. He makes fantastic digs on short hop or garbage throws at first base. He’s reasonably athletic.

There’s really no reason to think he wouldn’t be a solid 3B.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 17, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sure looks like he'd be a good candidate...

but to the extent that he’s played any 3B as a professional (which isn’t much) he’s been pretty bad. In 18 games at 3B last year with the Rivercats, he committed 9 errors in 49 chances (an .816 fielding %).

So we could generously say that he has a long way to go before he’s capable of playing 3B.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 17, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

18 games in 2007, not last year.

But either way, there was no actual effort to put him there. Sample size aside, it’s pretty unfair to randomly move a guy over to a position he’s basically never played before and expect him to do much of anything.

I mean hey, nobody expected Chavez to win 6 straight GG awards and be one of the best defensive 3B in the majors, either.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 17, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, 2007!

Last year he was in the bigs, taking fastballs on the outside corner for strike-3s and diving into kiddie pools. Duh.

Like I said, he looks quick enough and has good hands. But I still think it’s something of a long-shot. The Cardinals had every reason, for instance, to put him at 3B — more trade value, and an actual chance to play in the majors if they held onto him.

I mean hey, nobody expected Chavez to win 6 straight GG awards and be one of the best defensive 3B in the majors, either.

But didn’t Chavez play SS in high school? He was pretty bad when he first moved to 3B in the low minors, but he’d proven he could play on the left side of the infield, and was moving to an easier position (SS-3B). Barton’s older, hasn’t proven that (or played over there for years), and would be moving to a harder position (1B-3B).

But if Barton is willing to do all the offseason work (which I hope he is), then I don’t see any harm in him giving it a shot and getting some time there in Spring Training. If it doesn’t work, what have you lost?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 17, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Did you just compare Barton with Pena?

by PL78 on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. Look closer.

I responded to Future Ed saying 24 is past the point of developing power.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 17, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but

Pena hit 18 as a 21 yo and 28 as a 22 yo. He’s always had power.

by PL78 on Sep 17, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Barton has a career .455 SLG in the minors

While almost always being young for the league he was playing in.

I don’t think anybody has ever said that he’s going to become a 35 homer threat, anyway.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 17, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton's stroke

gives the appearance of power. Just needs refinement. It puts a charge in a lot of balls. Someone like Sweeney, dunks them in.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not all about power.

For example, take Pedro Feliz. He hits 20 HR every year and has only once been above average with the bat, barely. If Barton can put together his contact skills, he’s got a fantastic eye and should be an on-base machine. If he bats .300/.400/.400, that would be pretty great. Put him in the lead off spot.

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by NateHST on Sep 15, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although Feliz is actually a good player because of his glove.

Makes you wonder where the Giants would be if they’d kept him and stuck Sandoval at first base (or, hey, catcher— his defense couldn’t possibly be so bad that he wouldn’t be an improvement on Bengie Molina) instead.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 15, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"he's got a fantastic eye"

The reason I’m pessimistic about this is because his excellent walk rates occurred in the low minors – where pitchers can’t throw strikes.

Barton doesn’t look at all like a .400 OBP guy in the major leagues right now. The walks and the power have to go hand in hand. No one will walk him at this level unless he develops into a hitter with decent power. They’ll just keeping shoving strikes down his throat, knowing he can’t really punish them.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Sep 16, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tommy Everidge?

Bring back McGwire and Canseco, that would solve everything

by oaklandfan89 on Sep 15, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not very good.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Sep 15, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust should not be dumped

but whomever had the “Shorten up your swing and make more contact” talk with him this spring should be made to view about 10,000 vip room lap dances from Giambi and his thong.

[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 17, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers this season

Are approaching decent:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bartoda02.shtml

Speaking of not decent. How the heck does a contending team have a first baseman with an OPS+ of 75?
Is there nobody the Rangers can stick at 1b?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2009.shtml

[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 17, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stat I just noticed

Barton has GIDPed only 8 times in his entire major-league career (734 PAs in 196 games). For a guy who runs well for a 1B but is not a speed-burner, and who makes pretty good contact, that’s very impressive.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 17, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Davis was on a literally record-breaking pace for whiffs before they sent him to the minors

He had something like 100 strikeouts 40% of the way through the season, which, well, you do the math. The current record is 199.

He’s a three true outcomes player except he also doesn’t walk very much, so really more like only two true outcomes. Jack Cust minus the walks is not a good player.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 17, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was shocked when I saw how bad his BB total is

A 21/129 BB/K ratio? And he’s only slugging .418? Man, that’s abysmal. He’s hitting like Dave Kingman in a permanent slump.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 17, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Reynolds just reached 200 Ks for the second straight season

Looks like he’s a lock to pass the 204 he had last year. He’s having a pretty solid season though.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Sep 17, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's kinda funny to look at the strikeout leaders.

Year in and year out, they are some of the best players in the league.

Founding member of the Eric Patterson fan club.

by travdog6 on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

$3m? Considering the fact that he hasn't been any good this year?

On of the things that I think would be really interesting to find out is how the wider adoption of sabermetrics has affected arbitration hearings.

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Sep 17, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's making $2.8 million now

I’d expect some kind of raise for the A’s HR and walk leader.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 17, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then probably 4.25-5.0 range.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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