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You've probably seen the story about Josh Hamilton's alcohol relapse back in January, complete with photos.  link here

 

Apparently, when the Rangers added him to their team they instituted a "zero tolerance" policy toward any incidents of alcohol-related behavior.  Well, now the team is saying that they do not plan any disciplinary action, nor do they intend to ask him to take a leave of absence.  Even though he isn't hitting as well as in prior years, he still is a threat in their line-up, and they are, after all,  in a pennant race (of sorts).  So, gee, let's just let him slide on this one and hope he doesn't relapse again and, say, get behind the wheel, and kill someone.  THEN will there be consequences?  Do people ever learn before it's too late?

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Good for them.

Unless you want to provide some evidence that he drove drunk—which would be a much different and more serious matter—they ought to have the health, recovery, and well-being of Josh Hamilton at the forefront of their minds. It’s been nearly eight months since that incident occurred, and unless we’re missing something, it hasn’t reoccurred.

If there’s something positive that suspending him now would accomplish, I have no idea what it is.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 9, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not mutually exclusive.

They can “have the health, recovery, and well-being of Josh Hamilton at the forefront of their minds” and still have made a strong statement about not tolerating his behavior. Not necessarily a suspension, but something. Not nothing. Or at least nothing public (we don’t know what they may have said or done behind the scenes).

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Aug 9, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily.

There’s far too many details we lack to know whether or not a highly public disciplinary action against him would have been harmful. Given that fact, I trust the Rangers’ discretion. Really, the whole thing isn’t any of our business in the first place, but that’s another conversation.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 9, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has been handled.

It’s already been reported that his handler immediately (from the sounds of it, it was while the adventure was taking place) contacted Rangers management and it was handled in-house. Professionally. Back in Janurary.

You can feel free to step down from your soapbox.

still Swish Fan #1.

by ChrisCEIT on Aug 9, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like hitting the dog 8 hours after he peed on the rug...

doesn’t help at all. Also its not illegal, despite being horrible idea for an alcoholic/drug addict.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know the whole story

but I heard he was completely up front about the incident with his wife and the team, back when it actually occured. In January. Long before the pennant race.

Not saying I don’t see your point, but I agree with jeepers on this.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Aug 9, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This post is incedibly unfair

I do see the point you are trying to make, but come on, do you know how many addicts there are throughout the US struggling with the same problems that Hamilton has? Come on, he’s human and he made a mistake, to instantly treat him like a monster who’s going to go and get behind the wheel and kill someone is completely unsubstantiated.
Everybody has their vices and just because his are much more public than our own doesn’t exactly give us the right to criticize someone we know very little about…

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by stranahanahan on Aug 9, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not like he is out killing people either

Sure, there is the zero tolerance policy. But. BUT. The man has a disease, that he is battling pretty hard. And the life of being a professional athlete makes it that much harder.

The fact that he was completely and entirely sober for four years was pretty impressive, I think. He had one slip up, and was very up front about it.

He’s doing his best. Be happy for him.

love, mike

by oakland ehs on Aug 9, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is a link to the pics

Here

A zero tolerance policy is just that. This just proves that Texas, (like most professional sports teams) cares about winning over anything else. As someone who has had his life affected by a drunk driver, (I lost a girlfriend in high school) I have to say I am very disappointed in the stance Texas is taking. That being said in the linked article it says he reported the incident promptly and contacted his support staff for help getting back on track so I am all for giving him a second, (for the Rangers) chance. If there was proof he had driven drunk it would be a different story.

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Aug 9, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not suggesting a suspension. That was a term taken from the Rangers's reaction to this story going public.

I’m just pointing out that by saying “We don’t want this to become a distraction,” the team is giving the impression that they are doing nothing about it. That may not be the case, and certainly Hamilton himself is tougher on himself than anyone else can be. But, as he said, alcohol certainly does loosen one’s inhibitions, and who is to say that he might not in the future get behind the wheel? I’d rather not wait until it’s too late to do something a bit more proactive, even if it hurts the team.

I understand that this seems to have been a one-time slip-up, and I hope it never happens again. But when you say “zero tolerance” and then you don’t follow through, it just sends the message that the policy is only enforceable when it suits the needs of the enforcer, regardless of the effect on the offender.

Texas had an opportunity to make a huge statement about this, and I think they should have stepped up when it happened.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Aug 9, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think your further comments are much more reasonable than your initial post, so I don't

feel any need to take issue with it any more than others already have.

But you have repeatedly mentioned a “zero tolerance” policy without further expounding upon the nature of said policy- partially because I’m sure neither yourself nor the rest of us know exactly what that policy might be.

Here’s something about said policy that I gleaned from the mlb.com article regarding the incident though, and a link to the story itself:

Hamilton, while in the Tampa Bay Rays organization, missed 3 1/2 years because of his problems with cocaine, alcohol and other illegal substances. He was reinstated on June 2, 2006, under strict rules of conduct that included being drug tested three times a week. He was not prohibited from using alcohol, although that was a severe part of his past problems.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090808&content_id=6316112&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex

If that’s true, then there was no immediate necessity or recourse for disciplinary action. Just thought that was worth pointing out, since it seems your main point is that there is hypocrisy on the part of the organization not necessarily to vilify Hamilton for his relapse and poor judgment.

by still bills kingdom on Aug 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent point

maybe alcohol abuse is not considered “breaking” the rules.

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by micdog2001 on Aug 10, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are missing part of the point.

He came clean and they helped him get on the wagon 8 months ago. Its old news to them, which is why they don’t want it to become a distraction. They dealt with it

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 9, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ a lot

I could understand if he tried to hide it and not say anything, but he understands what he did, mans up to it all, shows responsibility and maturity, something that he did not show in the past.

I doubt that the Ranger’s will NOT do anything about this, I do doubt the will go public about it, especially when they have a chance to make a run and only compound the issue further.

I would go out on a limb, and this might have already been said, but I wouldn’t go throwing stones at other people and their problems. We all screw up and his are just more public.

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by mrbendy on Aug 9, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he couldn't hide it

I wouldn’t give him that much credit for coming clean about it, because he must have known that those photos would end up published, as they were.

There’s a difference between him coming clean and getting busted. My first thought was to wonder how many other incidents are out there that didn’t involve someone with a camera phone.

But. eh, it’s his life. But it’s interesting to see photos like this after he constantly trumpets how he’s been saved by Jesus. Jesus must have been otherwise occupied that night.

by coffee roaster on Aug 9, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus likes the Rangers, but when the chips are down

he just can’t help pulling for the Mariners.

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by Nico on Aug 9, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus is needs to find a new spokesman

This is a guy who said that Jesus told him in a dream that he needed a Christian agent, so he fired his Jewish agent. This was just after he was drafted by the Reds. Sweet!

I’m guessing he’s going to come up with Mike Sweeney’s ‘I see devils above the dugout’’ defense and blame it all on the Big Red Guy.

by coffee roaster on Aug 9, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Hamilton just wasn't listening

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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Texas responded just the right way: They released Padilla.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 9, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

QOTM

I seriously laughed out loud on that one.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 9, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still laughing...

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by the_rozeboom on Aug 9, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1. awesome.

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by iglew on Aug 9, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Zero Tolerance" is a myth.

I wish we (as a collective society) would just get over ourselves and quit prattling on about how serious we take things when we really don’t. It still comes down to selective enforcement based on any number of reasons.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Aug 9, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with "zero tolerance" is that it requires you

to make a blanket policy independent of the circumstances. I know it’s fashionable for schools to have “zero tolerance” policies around weapons, or drugs, or bullying, on the basis that “how could it ever be justified?” but then a kid who has never been in any trouble brings a really cool hunting knife his dad just got, to show his classmates, not thinking about it being a weapon and…? (This actually happened at my school.)

In the case of Hamilton’s setback, I think it’s probably relevant that the incident took place in the off-season. The Rangers probably meant “during the season” (and I know it’s gray because players were already working out in camp, but it wasn’t even during spring training) — certainly had Hamilton gone drinking at a bar in his hometown around Thanksgiving, the Rangers wouldn’t have necessarily felt the need to get involved.

Anyway, I agree that the problem isn’t the way the Rangers handled it, it’s proclaiming “ZERO TOLERANCE!!!!111” when that’s not what you mean — and it’s not what you should mean.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 9, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

ZT seems mostly to be about posturing to a variety of audiences (fans/parents/constituents) in order to demonstrate resolve or commitment or something. I can’t really see how DFAing Hamilton would be therapeutically advantageous to him compared to, you know, dealing with him as a (necessarily flawed) human being with an addiction.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 9, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ZT is inherently fascist...

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 9, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Especially love your first sentence.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Aug 10, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

checked out the pics

sht, that stuff never happens to me. lucky guy.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 9, 2009 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.

Is Tempe the only place on Earth where the kind of sluts that want to triple-team a baseball player exist?

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 9, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't about being holier-than-thou.

It’s his life and he’s a big boy. My point was that the Rangers apparently have two sets of rules — one for public consumption, “We’re gonna take him back, but he’s gonna be on a real short leash, zero tolerance, etc…”, and one when the shit hit the fan. It’s called enabling. And I don’t think they did him any favors, in the long run.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Aug 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they just decided that instead of casting someone out because of a mistake they made due to a weakness,

they’d help him get the help he needs?

I think this the blanket policy was more for players who are looking to ‘have a little good time’ as opposed to someone who is suffering from a problem.

by LoneStranger on Aug 9, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

I guess I didn’t realize you were a professional addiction counselor.

still Swish Fan #1.

by ChrisCEIT on Aug 9, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to think she can give her opinion on something like this here...

…without you telling her to get off her soapbox or acting condescending about being an addiction counselor.

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by Flashfire on Aug 9, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would like to think he can give his condescending opinion on something like that here...

…without you telling him to get off getting on her soapbox. ; )

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

think what you like.

I didn’t tell her to do anything. You’re welcome.

still Swish Fan #1.

by ChrisCEIT on Aug 10, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no expert on additions or recovery

but I think there’s a difference between a guy falling off the wagon and reverting to being an active user (and all that entails), on the one hand, and, on the other hand, a guy screwing up once and then immediately recognizing what he did, calling the people close to him who are hurt by his addictive behavior, apologizing to them and getting back to work dealing with his addiction.

I mean, it’s not like they toss you out of AA for going on a bender, AFAIK. You need to deal with it, and admit
that you screwed up and apologize to people you’ve hurt, etc., but if AA doesn’t consider it enabling alcoholism to tolerate recovering alcoholics who screw up from time to time, I don’t see how the Rangers are enabling Hamilton’s abuse of alcohol here.

I agree with you about your rolling you eyes on the Rangers’ “zero tolerance” policy, but from my perspective that’s because ZT is just PR from the start.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 10, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the most reasoned response I've seen to my original post.

And again, we don’t know all the details of either their policy toward him before the incident or their response after it. But their public comments made it sound like they were just gonna brush it off and move on with their pennant race.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Aug 10, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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