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DLD, happy birthday to me!

Also born today:

local boy and former A Tom Candiotti (someone should sponsor his page)

William Saroyan would be 101

a pair of child stars who turned out OK: Itzhak Perlman and Debbie Gibson

Padraig Harrington (your favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption? Never heard anyone say that before!)

Disney's buying Marvel comics, I'm guessing the internet will have something to say about this.

This Dave Duncan situation is interesting.

Funny or Die interviews the fabulous Helen Thomas

and from never-safe-for-work Kissing Suzy Kolber, Monday brings the Peter King rebuttal. That's enough of a present for me!

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44 is
Old
3 votes
Incredibly old
4 votes
Still younger than the president
12 votes
Humans live to 44? How can you type with your hands shaking so?
7 votes

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In spite of his lead-in, he still betrays East Coast bias

by including Colorado among “West Coast teams”. News flash, Steve: Denver is about 800 miles from the ocean. That’s like us calling the Cardinals an “East Coast team”.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Aug 31, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

thank you!

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yanks interested in Crosby to replace Jeter at SS next year?

Booby, are you listening?

In your dreams Munson!!!!

"What a joke." ~ Booby Crosby

by MMunoz33 on Aug 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

So, you're saying his career is about to come crashing down in flames?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 31, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was on a gravy train with biscuit wheels

He had the world in the palm of his hand and he pissed it all away.

And he can’t even blame this guy:

by Joey C. on Aug 31, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to come up with a Google for images

Like, you upload an image, and the site tells you what the image is.

It would be of great assistance for conversations like this one, where someone makes a visual reference to something that goes completely over my head. As it stands, I have to ask, and that kind of kills the whole thing.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 31, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I right-clicked on the image, selected Save Picture and googled its name (big_ern)

doesn’t work all the time, but this time it did.

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The term "Munsoned" comes from the movie Kingpin

And while it’s quite stupid, I think it’s vastly underrated as one of Bill Murray’s funnier performances. And that’s saying something.

by Joey C. on Aug 31, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is not quite stupid.

It is comedic genius.

It is Farrelly Bros.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait...

You’ve never seen Kingpin? Really?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

So true

I was reading the NYT at the office this morning and said “Oh my God, Sheila Lukins died!” And my 15-years-younger coworker said “Huh, who?”

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Aug 31, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no clue who the heck she is, but

I don’t think it’s an age thing as much as a “I don’t really cook” thing….

(orders Dominos via computer)

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cook and i know about the Silver Palate cook book but had no idea who she was

plus I grew up with the Joy of Cooking as the one cookbook that rules them all

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Psht Rachel Ray sucks... Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey, and Anthony Bourdain

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marcella Hazan kicks all of their asses

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 1, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday!

Rickey Henderson's strike zone is "smaller than Hitler's heart." - Jim Murray

by JLaff on Aug 31, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

thanks.

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, Stormtown!

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, sir!

Um, here’s a beaver.

and some cheese.

And, for all you fellas who can’t find it, here’s the little man in the boat.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

One for my hommies,

and one for me.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, I give links and no one acknowledges my efforts.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

(a little bit, yeah)

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hitting the cough syrup again huh Bloom?

save some for me, my throat feels kind of itchy ya that’s it.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

(cough)

I think I’ve got the black lung, daddy.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

and little man, presumably.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe kids still play with legos

I was more of a Star Wars and GI Joe action figure kid myself. I had endless battles between the two in our pool until I was 23 I mean 12.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude!

I still play with Legos!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

GMTA

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right?

Especially the Star Wars ones!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

YEAH!

(I’m all geeked out and eight right now!)

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

See?

I didn’t get to experience that until I had EE-Bee. Good times!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

EB?

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of our nicknames for the kid, yes.

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, the original Castle series is way better than Star Wars

The original castle legos are better than any other lego series, ever.

by cityplANner on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay!

Another geek!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

(If I had Legos here,

especially the sword and bow and arrow Legos, I’d play with them)

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have two left hands so I can't make anything

so my legos would just sit there in the box and taunt me.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

they come with instructions on how to make the big thing.

those are fun.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh gosh!

My favorites!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 1, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

ooo, I feel so honored.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

(I should've seen that one coming)

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi sir.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rated-R?

You sign out of Mikey’s account right now, young man!

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait what?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, stormtown!
Padraig Harrington (your favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption? Never heard anyone say that before!)

Aww. It’s one of my favorites too!

by goldfish on Aug 31, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a link!

It’s about Miggy.

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Aug 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

There is a fanpost about it thats got a pretty good discussion

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Photo links (from 8/30 River Cats game)

Because I don’t have time to create a fanpost… full gallery here.

Mgr Tony DeFrancesco signing an autograph (it was Fan Appreciation Day at Raley Field)

I had forgotten all about Ramon Ortiz, but there he is, in AAA-Fresno

Tony D and trainers tending to Travis Buck after his first-inning collision. He walked off on his own power and was replaced by Aaron Cunningham.

Chris Gissell pitching with the bridge in the background

Tommy Everidge’s rain dance, while appreciated, was unsuccessful.

Air Cardenas

Jerry Blevins

Brett Wallace with the game-winning RBI single

Rickey Henderson's strike zone is "smaller than Hitler's heart." - Jim Murray

by JLaff on Aug 31, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Very nice

Is it sad that Raley Field has a better view over that outfield wall than the Coliseum?

"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden

by doctorK on Aug 31, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it is sad

Raley Field is really a gem. I sued ot go there when i lived in Sacramento and Elk Grove. Very, very cool place to watch a game.

by jeffro on Aug 31, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

New helmet required for minor leagues in 2010

I found this AP article while I was looking up info on Scoot getting beaned by Beckett on Friday.

Chicago Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster wore it and said it felt like “my own bobblehead day.”

P.S. Scoot returned to action on Sunday.

by goldfish on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

unbelievable how the announcers

don’t even break into an interview to mention that someone just got beaned in the head by a 94mph fastball.. 30 seconds before they even mention that he “got struck by a pitch”…

Ellis for President

by tosk on Aug 31, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The merits of Billie Beane

And moneyball is bring discussed at www.joeposnansky.com

Ellis for President

by tosk on Aug 31, 2009 2:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Make that

Www.joeposnanski.com

Ellis for President

by tosk on Aug 31, 2009 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you, sir!

This whole posting from a mobile device sure isn’t easy.

Ellis for President

by tosk on Aug 31, 2009 3:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay, I guess I'll be the dork to bring this up:

Disney buying Marvel = DO NOT WANT.

I don’t read comic books anymore (aside from the occasional highly-acclaimed trade paperback), but I was once partial to both X-Men and Uncanny X-Men.

Now, I’ll grant that I was mostly reading them to pick up drawing ideas (Note to the uninitiated: This excuse is tantamount to that of the Playboy subscriber who claims to be all about the articles), so the admittedly ridiculous stories weren’t really the selling point. Still, at this childless point in my life, I don’t really have the patience for anything Disney or Disney-related. It’d be a real shame to see a company who was instrumental is making comics a little less about idealized automatons and a little more about relatable Joes and Josephines get cheapened by a force that is (IMHO) relentlessly saccharine.

by Joey C. on Aug 31, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Disney is evil.

Disney won’t be satisfied until the public domain is reduced to zero.

If I were home I’d track down a link to the Jonas Brothers episode of South Park. That was awesome.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I hope they don’t ruin Marvel comics.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Aug 31, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry they will

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny, I swear I ALMOST just wrote the exact same thing.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

cracked out minds think a like!

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gimme $2 for this cheeseburger!

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

why do you think it'll make a difference?

My first thought was that they would probably leave Marvel to keep doing what they are doing. If there is any major change, it wouldn’t be on the comic book side, right? I think that a lot of Marvel’s recent success has been in movies, and Disney makes movies, so naturally they are going to expand on that. But that doesn’t mean they are going to wreck the comic books.

by colin on Sep 1, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Week-old link

I thought this story was very timely with our Tonto hullaballoo last week, but this is the first DLD I’ve seen since then.

For those not familiar with British slang, “quango” refers specifically to a bureaucrat-like person who does not actually work directly for the government, but more generally is used to label any bureaucrat. The word is a pseudo-acronym for “quasi non-governmental organization”.

I can’t even begin to address the linguistic questions raised in the article without launching into a mile-long dissertation, so I’ll just note that — while I don’t doubt that when bureaucracy, language, and political correctness come together, stupidity is bound to ensue — given the nature of journalism I strongly suspect this story dresses it up to sound even stupider than it really is.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

that is interesting

I’m all for being mindful of what you write and say, and I believe that if most people knew their words could give offense they would stop saying those words. Once you know that “welsh on deal” is offensive to the Welsh, you stop saying it. The people who get their noses out of joint about this seem to be the types who think being insensitive is a form of rebellion, when really it’s just being a reactionary jerk.

But I’m going to try to work quango into daily conversation.

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

To the extent that there is racism in the language

(and of course there is), it’s not that words like “whitewash” and “blackball” are racial slurs; it’s in the fact that European and African peoples are called “white” and “black” in the first place, which a moment’s thought reveals is really not a very accurate description of actual skin color for either. There are plenty of other words that might be chosen which are equally descriptive where the implied value judgment (what little there is) goes in the other direction. For instance, in some languages, lighter-skinned people are called “pale” with the implication of sickliness.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

But why was the ball that signified "out" colored black?

HUH?

the everyday sexism bothers me more, actually. How hard is it to say police officer? Firefighter? And stop using war language outside of the military, mergers do not require war rooms.

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlin, football vs. baseball

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss George Carlin

my all time favorite comedian. I know I’m not white more of a peachy pink really.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was very good.

I think I’d have to Richard Pryor as my number one. But Steve Martin holds a special place for me, and Eddie Murphy shredded. Damn, he was good.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Martin was a genius

did you read his book about his stand up years? It’s a great read. I only know Pryor from his movies but I’ve seen Eddie Murphy Raw at least 3 times he was great before he started making kids movies.

I remember listening to Carlin tapes when I was like 10 or 11 and I loved him right away.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve's book was weird at first, but once I got into it, it

really was interesting. I like how he would take the audience out of the club. The one time when he had them all get in the empty swimming pool and swam across them…

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

His humor was both really stupid and really smart at the same time.

I like a woman with a good head on her shoulders. I hate necks.

by sirbed on Aug 31, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember listening to Eddie Murphy through scrambled HBO once a long time ago.

I was probably 12, so I am sure I didn’t get nearly all the jokes, but I still knew they were funny….somehow.

by LoneStranger on Sep 1, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Eddie Murphy

He can’t go back, and that’s a travesty. He was incredible.

Rickey Henderson's strike zone is "smaller than Hitler's heart." - Jim Murray

by JLaff on Aug 31, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was. really, really funny.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got some iiiiice cream, and you can't have none!

Rickey Henderson's strike zone is "smaller than Hitler's heart." - Jim Murray

by JLaff on Aug 31, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

'scuse me, little Italian white man, did you just see Rocky?

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's worth remembering that the Times, for all that it dresses itself up in a cloak of historical significance

is a pretty right wing publication, and thus this sort of article is pretty standard button pushing stuff for its readership, who love to hear about Political Correctness Gone Mad, and how the ‘bureaucrats’ (often in Brussels!) are trying to tell Us, the Right Thinking People, how We Should Talk, and How Things Aren’t What They Used To Be.

See also, their response to the EU bringing in a law that says only low energy light bulbs can be sold; essentially ‘OMG THEY’RE TRYING TO STEAL OUR CARBON EMMISIONS THESE MEDDLING EUROCRATS’.

and so forth.

by bobnothing on Aug 31, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eurocrats

Heh.

That’s a good one.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Sep 1, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another link, comedy division

This is kind of old, but for me it’s worth it simply to hear, Brando sniffed jackets, he sniffed pants!

by Joey C. on Aug 31, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Dallas Braden?

Has anyone heard when our “veteran ace” might be returning? It seems like it would be a good idea to have him on a “6 man rotation,” right?

by streetfan on Aug 31, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, but

what the heck? I thought it was a rash on his foot…. now the foot is “traumatized”?! Seems delicate to me, but I’m no doctor, and I don’t play one on TV!

by streetfan on Aug 31, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

The foot is not "traumatized".

A nerve in the foot is traumatized. Significant difference, though as far as I know it’s not a technical term. Just means there’s nerve damage, I think.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

the dog appears to be questioning the master-slave didactic.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was amazing

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Aug 31, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, and this one is for all of you, out there, who run the gauntlet of the the bay area streets

on your bicycles each day

I don’t think anyone wants to get into a ’you’re dangerous, no, you’re dangerous’ discussion here, so have a read of the article (which is very interesting), and let’s all agree to watch out for each other a bit more, yes?

If there were one thing that would help me as a cyclist, it’d be cars indicating to turn a little sooner than the corner. Then we won’t come right up inside you!

by bobnothing on Aug 31, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I always look out for you guys.

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was riding down one of San Francisco's many steep hills

when a car passed me and tried to make a right turn right in front of me. I braked as hard as I could but had so much momentum I slammed into the side of the car and broke the sideview mirror. As I checked to see if my arm was broken, the guy had the nerve to yell at me for hitting him. He quickly realized he was at fault and sped off.

by LongLiveLangerhans on Aug 31, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Asshole

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Signaling your turn in advance helps other drivers too

And pedestrians. There’s really no good reason not to do it (unless it’s “I didn’t have a hand free for the turn signal because I was holding my cell phone in one hand and my burger in the other”).

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Aug 31, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cycle everywhere that I don't take muni

and I wonder when it became fashionable to just swerve out of your lane for no apparent reason? I never had that problem in Portland where the drivers are far more bike friendly. Riding in SF makes me want to carry a crowbar so I can smash asshole drivers when they try to run me off the road.

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

its better than it was

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've apologized several times for that.

It was dark and I was tired and you were wearing dark colors.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have very bright lights and usually sing to my ipod while im riding

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

(must've been a quiet song that night)

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dispair... hardly

PS youre going to see the Limousines on thursday at Popscene right? We should meet up

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about their numbers

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of really bad drivers who cause these sorts of things (I’m looking at the mirror myself, not that I’ve caused an accident), but I’ve also see some really piss poor cycling (both bike & motor) with riders who swerve, fly into traffic, squeeze between cars and act like you’re in their way and if they hit you or you them, it’s their fault. There are plenty of good cyclist too mind you, but I just wonder how much of that gets blamed on the driver, since they’re the “car” and should some how know better. While I use my signals, not many cyclist do.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Aug 31, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

here is my thing

you are in my way and are a destructive societal force, where as I am not. If you do some stupid shit like run through reds without looking, ride without a helmet, without lights, or without breaks bad shit should happen to you as a cyclist. That being said the vast vast majority of the problem is with cars.

The Halos announcers sound like frat boys at a kegger… Ken Korach calls a game like a grown-ass man - Emperor Nobody

by designatedforassignment on Aug 31, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eff those cyclists who run red lights.

Either follow the rules or quit bitching at cars who don’t follow the rules.

by LoneStranger on Sep 1, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, get off your high horse.

People on bikes are just as douchey as idiot drivers in cars.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Im paying for you to drive your car

Im producing like no negative externalities by riding my bike.

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, so you never ride your bike on a paved road then?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do

however studies show that the weight of bikes have a negligible impact on asphalt so if cars disappeared tomorrow wed only need to repave a street every 25 years or so. Furthermore the positive externalities to society of improving my health not relying on foreign sources of power from dictators, etc. outweigh those costs in the long run.

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

What does it matter how healthy you are

If you never come out of your mom’s basement to talk to girls, blogger

OOOOH BURN!!!!!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you understand i blog so they come to my moms basement

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

just like the Twix commercial.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We all know you're not allowed to have girls over.

Nice try!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Psht only if I get caught!

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

In reality im on the third floor

the wifi in the basement isn’t that great.

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

my high horse is all chrome and not that high, see avatar

commuting biker since 1988 here, including LBC, NOLA, Santa Cruz, NYC, SF, and OAK.

i’m not going to get into an eco argument about who’s right for riding or driving. seems that’s beside the point. though it may behoove us all to work toward making cycling safer so that fewer people feel the need to drive.

and i’m not trying to take sides either, because that’s not going to solve anything in this case, but, there is certainly a different mentality when driving or when cycling. most of the time on a bike, one is thinking one thing: don’t crash. other thoughts come and go, but that one is basic and prevalent, and may have to do with the physical fact that you have to constantly, even if subconsciously, keep balance. aided by other factors such as sans-chassis vulnerability, higher stakes for mistakes, etc.

in a car, you don’t have to think safety always. you could go all day without thinking about it at all. some could even (many have) literally fall asleep and still drive (for a while). drivers do not have to spend most of their time thinking about not crashing. yes, it’s a consideration—don’t tailgate, look at the blind spot if i’m changing over, honk real loud if a semi’s cutting me off—but not a constant thought the way bikers know it. it’s a basic difference that’s not going to change (until bikes start carrying pressure-sensitive anti-car nukes…) and which i consider the key dichotomy in the problem. both bikers and drivers have the same percentage of douches, dummies, and red-light runners among their ranks (come to oakland if you don’t think cars run reds). hell, i may be foolish/tactless enough to suggest that some bikers and some drivers are, gasp!, the very same people (yeah, i got a 300D too). so how could personality be the deciding factor?

nah, it’s a point of view thing and it’s relative. bikers see cars the same way cars see semis (make sure you’re clear of them because they can kill you in a single chomp). cars see bikers the same way bikes see pedestrians (where did you come from and how can i possibly predict which way you’re going to go next?). when you boil it down, ironically enough, the primary thought for both cars and bikes is, make sure nothing huge is coming at me or i’ll hurt. but because bikes aren’t the huge objects cars are looking out for, that primary thought isn’t mutual. bikes look out for cars. cars look out for each other. this doesn’t work symbiotically.

personally, i think the share the road thing is a copout. a BS project that only alienates drivers from riders while making the whole thing less safe to both. it puts a bogus onus on bikers and drivers, who feel each other is at fault when things go bad. but really, the fault is with the DOT or city or whoever paints those lines on the street. but painting lines is expensive. sure, medial bills are expensive too, but the city doesn’t have to pay them… less expensive is a glib PR campaign about how if bikers stay 4 feet away from parked cars and drivers ride to work once a year, then surely lambs and lions will live together in peace. city, i say to you, separate the bikers from the drivers the same way you have separated the pedestrians from the rest. here’s a thought (probably not that great, but it’s the best i can do in a pinch. surely other ideas are even better): what if bike lanes ran between the row parked cars and the sidewalk (fewer doorings, a shield of steel between the drivers and the bikers, a fresh look for cities who want to open sidewalk life). what if bikes lanes ran down the middle of the street, and the cars had to hug the curb (no more cutting off bikers while making a right—left turns are safer because bikes are more visible this way, fewer doorings because parked cars will have more body damage to risk now). hmm? hmm?

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 1, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try riding a motorcycle.

Everybody hates me. :-(

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

what? best of both worlds...

fast enough to get outta there, skinny enough to get outta there in a traffic jam.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 1, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Invisible to both bikes and cars, too.

Incidentally, can you recommend me a decent cyclocross style bike for, say, 500 bucks or so (even if I have to look on CL a bit)

I had been looking at stuff like the new Trek SOHO, but it’s a little bit TOO tame for me.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

FIXIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm nowhere near hipster enough for a fixie.

I was actually thinking of getting a hardtail MTB and swapping road tires onto it or something.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, that's good.

cityplANner won’t think you’re a moron.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you do it without breaks then I agree, If you have a break youre fine in my book

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

if it ain't brokie, don't fixie?

i actually don’t have an opinion on fixies, but that’s fun to say.

i don’t have an opinion on any new bikes. i ride old-school BMX—yes, for commuting too. i have an ‘81 26" Kos, a ’92 or so 24" GT/Dyno, and, the geometry to end all geometries, an ’80 26" Champion frame which i’m assembling parts for as we type.

yes, my whole life is going exactly according to plan. of course, i made that plan as a preeteen in 1982 and my goals are all about bitchen bikes, rad records, and marrying a cute girl i’m not embarrassed to talk to.

but my point is, i can’t help you with a new bike, but i’m personally picturing a 26" BMX frame, change to narrow rims, and add a 3-speed hub. they come cheap, they come dear.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 1, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't do that

I have a Specialized Globe commuter bike and its not nearly an aggressive enough frame for me. MTBs can have that same problem.

And everyone has a little hipster in them :-P

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

In college, I sat in on lead vocals for Bogus Onus whenever Danny Elfman was out of town.

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 1, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

All together now, for stormtown:

Happy birthday to ye
This is your DLD
44 is not so bad…
You should try 53!

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Aug 31, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

he doesn't care about birthday wishes.

all he wants are links.

I thought the exact same thing, but decided to let my bitterness overcome my objectivity. Suck it, objectivity. -salb918

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 31, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

And many more!
Nothing wrong with 44!
I’ve got you beat by almost 6…
Hope we get to see some pics!

Hey, Raburn! YOU ever dive into the shallow end of a pool?--noava22

by lynnzgal on Aug 31, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

(I am not, in fact, 53, but the correct number did not rhyme)

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Aug 31, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next you'll tell us you aren't really an English major.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 31, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

This One'e For You!

birthday Pictures, Images and Photos

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." Red Barber

by BERRYJO on Aug 31, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

you guys are all really nice

but why do you think I’m a he? I’m not.

I care about your fantasy team.

by stormtown on Aug 31, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

They still think that about me.

Happy belated, btw.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 1, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 1, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that was a birthday "TWSS," Stormtown.

Feel honored.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait there are girls on the internet?

wow well who knew!

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

What if I'm batting .500 there?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The results are still the same.

As AN educated me, they both mean the same thing!

Bring Jerry back!

by ZigFan31 on Sep 1, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn. I'm conflicted, then.

Should I flirt or give you porn?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try both.

More is better, right? Plus it would increase your odds, wouldn’t it?

by ZigFan31 on Sep 1, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You tell me.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

September in my A's calendar is Bob Geren.

Why does God hate me?

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 5:46 AM PDT reply actions  

September in my Amoeba Records calendar

is Tori Amos. I’m pretty meh about Tori.

by colin on Sep 1, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Amoeba.

and Rasputin.

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also miss Universal and Rather Ripped Records

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 1, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have Dallas.

Me likey. He autographed it too.

Bring Jerry back!

by ZigFan31 on Sep 1, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait, how come you get Dallas and I get Bob Geren?!

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Her: hot chick

You: not so much hot chick

Savvy?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

HELLA.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Sep 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

my favorite birthday co-celebrator, Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, aka

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miguel Tejada: tipping pitches in 2001?

Damning, if true:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/sports/baseball/30pitch.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=tejada&st=cse

A series of events on the field led several players to believe that the star shortstop Miguel Tejada had been helping friends on opposing teams by tipping off pitches and by allowing balls they hit to get past him occasionally during games with lopsided scores.

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 1, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

A's acquire Jack Cust from San Diego

for PTBNL or cash considerations.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Sep 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Old news?

Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben

by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aliens invade earth!

We’re all doomed!!!!

Al: We gotta form a government for the settlement.
Merrick: Who does?
Al: Us! You and me. Come to me in a vision! You stupid bastard

by Leopold Bloom on Sep 1, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

U2 stole this song from manson. i'm stealing it back.

not really. your sig made me think of that. it’s something i’ve always wanted to say in front of a sellout crowd.

anyway, lots of thoughts about that article here.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Sep 1, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

durex advertisements

potentially NSFW, as in if a moral crusader sees it, they might frown (thought there is no nudity), but you won’t be blocked from the page

link

enjoy the other side…

by jlanning17 on Sep 1, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

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