Please, no laughing
by batterbatter on Aug 27, 2009 10:52 PM PDT
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Now that I put this out there for the baseball gods to ponder, I fully expect Bailey's ERA to balloon to above 4 during the last 40 games and take him out of contention.
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A relief pitcher winning the AL Cy Young?
Even without competition, he’d have to have a season somewhere around the highwater mark of 1992 Dennis Eckersley or 2003 Eric Gagne. He’s nowhere close. And given how dominant some starters have been this year (I’m looking at you, Zack Greinke), there’s just no way.
He's not even in the Universe
I love the guy but are you kidding me, Cy Young. . . lol
by sf drift king on Aug 28, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Sorry, I tried not to laugh but I couldn’t help it.
LOL, again.
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Besides, he'd even be hard-pressed to win the AL ROY, much less the Cy.
Brett Anderson is far more deserving of that honor, anyway.
Oh, if only you had substituted "AL ROY" for "AL Cy Young"
there would be no laughing and also there might be some meaningful discussion. But alas…
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Maybe Bailey will have a monster September, pitching 110 consecutive scoreless innings
and hitting 18 HRs to lead the A’s on a 35-0 run to the wildcard, and Zack Greinke will get eaten by a tiger. Maybe this was Beane’s plan all along.
Bob Garen is incontinent
Hmm...Kansas City does play the Tigers in September...
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I put my money on Raburn...
He’ll eat anything!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 28, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not enough innings pitched
nuff said.
Bailey may not be the best reliever in the AL, let alone the best pitcher.
He may, however, be the best rookie, so there’s something to look forward to.
He's not even the best closer who leans on the cutter.
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Two noes from me
1. Bailey for Cy Young
2. Request to not laugh
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AL ROY
Not an especially strong class, but I think Bailey has to be the favorite to win (note: not necessarily the most deserving). His traditional stats look the gaudiest. I don’t think Anderson is going to garner a lot of support with a 7-9 record and 4.30 ERA, especially when Brad Bergesen is 7-5 with a 3.43, even though you can easily argue Anderson is the most deserving.
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I think
it’s going to be Gordon Beckham or maybe Andrus. Pitchers very rarely win the award when there’s a decent hitting candidate. I see Bailey and Anderson getting a few third place votes, but that’s it.
Whoops
Beckham’s numbers are pretty pedestrian, as are Andrus’—they don’t jump off the page like a sub-2 ERA and 20+ saves (he says hopefully). Maybe Andrus will get the credit he deserves for his defense, though, as he ought to win a Gold Glove. If Beckham swats a few more homers, maybe he’ll emerge.
Anyway, you could be right, but I think Bailey’s going to be very compelling.
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2 things
that separates them from Bailey – their teams are in contention and we’re not.
by sf drift king on Aug 28, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this true?
Quick perusal of ROY awards.
Since 1998, there have been 20 ROYs awarded (10 years, 2 per league). 7 went to pitchers. (Kerry Wood, Scott Williamson, Kazuhiro Sasaki, Jason Jennings, Dontrelle Willis, Huston Street, Justin Verlander)
Given that there are 9 positions on the field, my conclusion would be that ptichers are MORE likely to win ROYs than position players.
At the very least, it seems like they’re not disadvantaged in any way.
by eastbayexpat on Aug 28, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Or rather 1 per league
and that pitchers are more likely to win ROYs than any single other position.
by eastbayexpat on Aug 28, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
But pitcher is hardly a "single position"
There are eight non-pitcher guys on the field, yes. But every team uses five starters and several relievers. Total pitchers is a little less than total non-pitchers, but not much. You see it on the rosters, too. Typically there will be 11 or 12 pitchers on a 25-man roster, ie, just under half.
I’d say 9 ROYs out of 20 is just about right for even representation.
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I imagine Ricky Romero (11-5, 3.91)
has the edge over Anderson (or Bergesen) amongst SPs. He has a very shiny W/L record and if he maintains a sub-4.00 ERA I could see him placing higher than Anderson (7-9) or Bergesen (basically a .500 pitcher for the Orioles).
Especially with the A’s going to a 6-man rotation, it’s conceivable than neither Anderson nor Bergesen will win in double-digits, which (unfortunately) matters to people like the ROY voters. I would currently predict the voting to go:
Beckham
Andrus
Romero
Bailey
Anderson
though Andrus could win it just because Beckham missed April and May.
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We're awfully biased here...
… does the rest of the world see Anderson the way we do? A coupla good months, does that a ROY make? The numbers overall aren’t there – isn’t ROY based on the numbers? A’s fans know what the numbers mean, and they mean a lot, but more to us than anyone else.
On the other hand, when the wave for Bailey comes in the ninth, don’t you think that other teams (and their fans) say, oh, sh—. Game over. But nobody’s afraid of Anderson yet. Meanwhile, when Beckham comes to the plate, don’t our knuckles whiten imperceptibly, and our fingernails mysteriously reduce in size and increase in raggedness?
The numbers are there for Anderson, depending which ones you use.
His 2.7 WAR is tops amongst AL pitchers, and his 3.91 FIP is second only to Bailey.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I don't think those are the numbers paris7 was talking about....
Baseball writers look at mainstream numbers for this vote. Meaning, Wins/Saves, ERA, and K’s.
Indeed
Baseball writers don’t look at ARL, they don’t look at value over replacement (which correctly values guys who play more innings), and they sure as hell don’t look at tRA or other esoterica like ground ball rates.
In fairness, you can make a strong case that some of those stats (FIP, tRA, etc) are, being predictive stats, somewhat inappropriate for a retrospective award like Rookie of the Year.
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Right, that's exactly what I wrote in this very same diary.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
No.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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