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The Value Of Sitting On The Bench

Nothing drives A's fans crazier than having Aaron Cunningham sit on the major league bench when he could be starting for the A's or starting for the Rivercats, but is doing neither. Thing is, the A's have done this numerous times -- with Cunningham, with Buck, with Barton -- where they have called a player up only to play very little before being sent back down.

Star-divide

But in some of those instances, the A's must have known what they were doing. In other words, it wasn't as if circumstance got in the way of "the best laid plans," it was that it must have been the plan. Cunningham is a good recent example. When he was called up, the A's knew he could be getting ABs every day in Sacramento and knew he was on the roster as they rather consistently passed him up for three other choices and relegated him to "defensive replacement duty." He could have started every day for Oakland, he just didn't; he could have been left in Sacramento to play every day for the Rivercats, he just wasn't.

In today's Chronicle, in a blurb titled "Everidge now a pine-time player," Susan Slusser notes that Barton's return, coupled with Nomar's presence, likely means bench time for Tommy Everidge. Now granted, Everidge is older and not the prospect that these other examples are, but perhaps he can still reap the benefits of whatever it is the A's feel are the benefits of sitting on a major league bench. Everidge says he used the first two games of the series for picking some of the veterans' brains, specifically asking Bobby Crosby about handling a bench role. So that's certainly useful -- Everidge probably now has a better understanding of how to get your father to whine on your behalf even though the real problem is that you haven't performed well for 5 years. But seriously...

My question today assumes that the A's must believe that for a young player, sitting on the major league bench soaking up whatever you can soak up by sitting on the major league bench, can at times be more useful for a young player than playing every day in Sacramento for those 2-3 weeks. Is there any validity to this?

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I guess there can be validity to it if they want to give the guy some exposure to things at the Major League level

But if they do that, don’t play him once every so often as a late inning defensive replacement or give him a start once a week and wonder why he doesn’t perform.

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by Flashfire on Aug 26, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's hilarious.
Everidge says he used the first two games of the series for picking some of the veterans’ brains, specifically asking Bobby Crosby about handling a bench role

“Dude, what’s it like to be so bad that they don’t play you anymore?”

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea...

I much rather he talk to Nomar or even Raj. At least those two know how to handle themselves (and their parents) professionally.

Bring Jerry back!

by ZigFan31 on Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, snap, Tommy

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by Flashfire on Aug 26, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The players must love it

Think of it as a HUGE bonus (financially) for the players. A AAA player gets ~$3,000 a month. Major league minimum is ~$400,000. That breaks down to the minor-league player making as much in a DAY sitting on the bench as he would make in a MONTH in the minors.

"The game has a cleanness. If you do a good job, the numbers say so. You don't have to ask anyone or play politics..." - Koufax

by Zakolantern on Aug 26, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That actually makes sense:

Some guy is tearing it up in Sacramento. Front office says, “Kid, you’re doing great!”

Player says, “Yeah, well if I’m so great, how come I’m stuck here earning crappy AAA money?”

“We could call you up, but if we did you’d just sit on the bench there.”

< thinks about the money, lifestyle, etc > “I got no problem with that.”

“Well, OK, then. Here you go.”

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 26, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea I'm sure Cunningham is not complaining

"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons

by dtownmbrown on Aug 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting article

Contradicts Mr. Crosby saying his son is healthy. Umm, if he was pushed to the DL for no reason why isn’t Bobby running yet Ed?

Didn’t we all hear the “Chavy looks great” from Geren last year? Give it up Bob.

by HRH on Aug 26, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great topic question

I was thinking about this earlier in the week since the A’s did it so often this year with these guys. I do think that there is a value to younger guys who get called up in September to see how the major league team plays and possibly get a spot start or a few late inning at bats.

However, I do not necessarily think there is value to your top prospects who are succeeding in AAA to come up to MLB and sit on the bench. Those players should continue to play everyday at either level.

by faninphilly on Aug 26, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what is the right approach...

but my guess is that the Athletics’ brass doesn’t know either. How long has it been since the A’s cultivated any above average positon players? Suzuki’s it in my estimation. At this point, the A’s should be starting Buck, Cunningham and Patterson at the MLB level, just like they’re doing with Pennington. As a matter of fact, Barton should be starting and not platooning w/ Everidge and Garciaparra. They know what they have with thier current starters (not much). Give these guys 100 consistent ABs before the end of the season so the A’s brass can determine if they are going to move forward with them or cut bait. River Cats be damned – I don’t care if they get pressure-packed playoff ABs at the AAA level. I’m not sure that has that big of a developmental impact on a player. Bench the known quantities in favor of potential quality.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the playoffs in AAA do affect the player.

Sure, there is nothing bigger than the World Series, but if a player has had a taste of the biggest that level has to offer, they’ll be less jittery and nervous for the pressure ones in the majors.

by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the A's didn't think it was worth it for Barton in '07

they brought him up before the River Cats finished their title run

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO...it's what you wrote...

nice tone there StrangeLoner

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson?

No. No. No. No.

I’ll agree about Cunningham, Buck and Barton, though.

by richwol1 on Aug 26, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the monster

known as chris carter has been called up to AAA so let the time clock begin

by tcelt on Aug 26, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sweet...

Link?

i guess this is so he can get those

pressure-packed playoff ABs at the AAA level

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool. I'll be out there Thursday and Saturday...

…along with doing a couple more next week in Reno when the River Cats are on the road there.

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by Flashfire on Aug 26, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooooh

That should be his nickname

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro

by Philip Christy on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tmkacc

pronounced “tee-mah-kak”

by colin on Aug 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds Egyptian Godish.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Aug 26, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Tmkacc. That's the one with the cat head, right?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got no crystal ball, but...

I’d gander that sitting on the big league bench is a better use of Tommy Everidge’s time than it is of Cunningham’s (for example). The reason is that in the long run, Cunningham has the potential to be part of a 4 man rotation in the outfield while Everidge seems destined to be a “Right Handed Pop Off the Bench Dude.” Is that a real position?

Cunningham may also be a “RHPOTBD” but that is as certain a bet as Everidge being one. So prepare Tommy for his Time spelling Chris Carter in the field and Cliff Pennington at the plate in situations that require some pop.

by jeffro on Aug 26, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oooh....

Tommy Everidge, the new Olmeado Saenz? We need to teach him to play third base.

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro

by Philip Christy on Aug 26, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that experiment has already failed

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say Olmedo, I say Olmado.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Well struck sir.

Not just athletes, Athletics.

by Wiers103 on Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kudos

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 26, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I covered this (somewhere) in DFA's huge thread

But to be clear: Everidge has NO SHOT at being Olmedo Saenz.

Olmedo was a great hitter (his .397 wOBA in 2000, for example, is dead sexy). Everidge, for comparison, currently has a .295 in the bigs this year. Last year, in AA, he put up a .359.

If by “next Olmedo Saenz” you mean “large player whose value is all on offense” then sure. If, however, you mean “a player anywhere near as valuable as Olmedo Saenz” you’re not even close.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 26, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa...

That’s the last time I make a silly suggestion of the top of my head around here…

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro

by Philip Christy on Aug 26, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's usually a fairly poor strategy :p

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Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 26, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a comparison that seems to be gaining steam

And is completely and utterly wrong.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 26, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took the comparison to mean

“good masher against LHP” but not an every day option at the plate or in the field. Saenz wasn’t terrible against RHP but he wasn’t anything special, either, for a guy who wasn’t a good fielder.

And while I’d agree that it would be against the odds for Everidge to approach Saenz’ overall resumé, so far Tommy’s line against LHP is .318/.385/.591 (.976 OPS). It’s a small sample (24 PA) but it’s only the only sample. In other words, I may not think Everidge can keep up that pace but until he doesn’t I can see where the Saenz comparisons come from.

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by Nico on Aug 26, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you say, tiny sample size

And if you can point me to any player with a 415 point OPS split for their career I’ll begin to consider the possibility.

Here’s how small that sample size is. Nearly all of that .976 OPS comes from two good games.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 26, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons

by dtownmbrown on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to say

Cunningham being a RHPOTBD is NOT as certain a bet as Everidge being one. Ugh.

by jeffro on Aug 26, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Bailey's dad....

now that’s a baseball dad…

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's the best

He sent the broadcasters DIBS.

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Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Aug 26, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a Dad who understands how to play the game!

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 26, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WERE THEY IN HIGH DEF???

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 26, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of some players getting some bench time and learning the Bigs.

What I don’t understand is lousy players getting playing time. I wouldn’t give Crosby or Nomar another at bat this season, except in case of emergency. I certainly wouldn’t start either one of them, esp. with the Sept. call-ups coming soon.

JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker

by JJ Martin on Aug 26, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My question

  Why are you playing Nomar when he will be gone next season. The only reason I can see is the A"s are trying to get another team to trade for him. Let Nomar go.

by Arcman on Aug 26, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, kid, I will show you how the urinals

work and this is the big leagues, no dribbles. Now, if I come up to you and nod, I want to sit in the recliner and you have to move – no talking from you.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 26, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clutch

I have no statistics to back this up, but, Tommy seems to have it all over Barton when it comes to important hitting. I can’t recall seeing Tommy leaving runners on third with less than two outs and not being able to put bat on the ball. This has happened frequently with Barton. Put me in Everidge camp.

by Graybeard on Aug 26, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Confirmation bias much?

Everidge’s splits.

RISP: 3/21 with a .430 OPS
Runner on third, less than two out: 0/5 with a .143 OPS

Needless to say, that means (in the tiny sample we’ve seen) he both sucks more at “important hitting” than he does at normal hitting and has NO HITS AT ALL with a runner on third and less than two outs. He has, however, struck out twice and grounded into a double play. So that’s good.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 26, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your flute rocks!

JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker

by JJ Martin on Aug 26, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez is coming back to play 3B!

I’m excited, not!!!!

"What a joke." ~ Booby Crosby

by MMunoz33 on Aug 28, 2009 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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