Bobby Crosby's Dad breaks silence;bashes beane, claims no injury
by pserralinc on Aug 25, 2009 7:21 PM PDT
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I live in Long Beach area and came across this article in today's Long Beach Press Telegram. As you know Bobby Crosby went to LB State and not sure if this has been posted yet, my apologies in advance if it has. Not even sure if I posted the link right. I typically just read AN.
"Crosby is not hurt"
"That he has been messed with"
"No chance he will sign with Oakland"
"He hasn't been treated properly by Beane. Theyre gona make a movie about Beane with Brad Pitt. What is it going to be, a comedy?"
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You know what?
I understand it sucks to Bobby to basically be told by the A’s that they would play ANYONE but him, buy what has he done to deserve playing time?
If Crosby were actually hitting the ball he would get played more—period. But as long as Crosby is making Pennington (a future backup shortstop) look like Ricky freakin’ Henderson he’ll be lucky to get regular playing time on the Nationals.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 25, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
*points to new part of sig*
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed
to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I'd be absolutely shocked
if another team gave Crosby a starting job next year. And even his rookie year wasn’t all that great. Any other year and he’d not likely have won the ROY.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
+1
I’m guessing the A’s helped his career by making him a utility player. Now he’s marketable as a 1B, 3B and SS.
by sf drift king on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem being...
…he still seems to think of himself as a good starting SS. He may turn down what may be a better offer to take a starting SS job with a lesser team and/or at less money. Potentially to his own detriment, of course.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
But if starting at SS is what he really wants to do,
why shouldn’t he sign with a team that will start him there? If he has to take less money of play for a worse team, so what? He’s got plenty of money. And maybe playing the position he wants to play is more important to him than what team he plays for.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Nothing at all "wrong" with it. I think you misunderstood my post.
What I meant was that he may not be thinking it all the way through. It may be what he wants… it may be whet he gets… it may not end up serving him well in the long term. One of those “be careful what you wish for” crossroads he may likely be facing.
Just speculating on what may be offered him in the off-season. Nobody knows what will be offered.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
You know the best comedy comes from real life situations...
and the funniest situation I encounter is the pitch following an 0-2 count to Crosby…
It gets a bit repetitive, but still quality.
I'm the genius who said Chris Carter will slug .650 his rookie season.
Thanks for posting this...
I actually laughed for the first time today. Man, Ed Crosby is in for a huge wake-up call… His son stinks. Who in the world is going to give him a chance to be a starting SS?!?!? Don’t these people get it? Bobby Crosby’s ship has sailed. His family should be stoked that he is getting millions of dollars to pretty much do nothing.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
Notice that Ed Crosby didn't mention
that Bobby Crosby was put on waivers prior to the 2009 season, and no one…
not one of the other 29 teams…
claimed him.
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Aug 25, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So true... So true.
You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas
by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
His dad is being a dad
You can’t expect him to be Bill James on his own son.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 25, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
unless he's a broadcaster or something...
…oh, wait…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Im confused
Swisher was better in Oakland than he has been elsewhere.
Yeah, that was my first thought
Sorry, bro, but Swish’s best season so far was 2006 in the green and gold.
Marco didnt suck here, either.
He was also able to break out with the A’s when three other teams wouldn’t give him the time of day. Yeah, Oakland was horrible for Scutaro’s career.
Ed Crosby has no idea what he's talking about
It’s not just that Bobby is not going to get a starting job anywhere (in the majors, anyway). Did he really say that Scutaro, Byrnes, and Swisher are doing BETTER since they left the A’s? Really? I mean, maybe Scutaro, this year, although any thinking person would figure that 33 year olds don’t suddenly get better. Byrnes had one year where about on par with his best year in Oakland, despite moving to a better hitter’s park. Swisher? His year in Chicago was awful. He’s been good for the Yanks, but not any better than he was for the A’s.
Crosby should actually be THANKING Beane.....why?
Because BoCro is a horrible hitting SS and is avg “at best” def SS – and no one would have given him a starting job next year and probably not even a backup spot – BUT – Beane turned him into a UTL inf that can play 3b,ss,2b,1B and even OF if needed and that is the ONLY reason he will be on a big league club next year.
Dr Mr Beane – My dad still thinks I’m in little league and needs to talk to the coach for me – “play my son”
true, can't deny it
Ed is saying they have messed him up and diluted him with the utility idea but diluted what? he suck ass and the additional defensive positions may be the only damn thing that keeps his ass in the bigs next year.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Aug 25, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Scutaro
is also doing much better because he’s swinging at fewer and fewer pitches out of the zone and walking more…
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Aug 25, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And Toronto is a "Moneyball" team
You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas
by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
and the a's are one of the most aggressive baserunning teams this year, whereas one reason the angels offense is so effective this year is the addition of bobby abreu
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
exactly
You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas
by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i wish we could have gotten abreu...
he’s pretty painful defensively, but he runs up pitch counts and gets on base. would have been a perfect fit if we didn’t have so many young marginal OFs…
Eric Burns, according to the article. Great writing.
love, mike
by oakland ehs on Aug 25, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is the proof
Scutaro is of course having a career year (and better than anything Crosby— the guy the horrible beane decided to keep— has ever done)— but he came up in the Mets’ organization and was essentially the same player for them as he was in Oakland— so that’s the fault of “Billyball”?
As for the other examples Mr. Expert Crosby cites, well um…., no.
Swisher ahd an OPS+ of 125 and 127 his last two years as an A. He’s been 92 and 120 since.
Byrnes had an OPS+ of 108-111 and then 112 the year the A’s traded him (2005, I believe)— he’s never been that high since.
So in fact Mr. Crosby the opposite of what you claim about these two players is true. Sad fact is that Billy Beane trusted your son so much he let an AL MVP go, and, injuries or no injuries, your son never lived up to expectations. Good Riddance
by jasonthea on Aug 26, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this criticism is valid, undeniable IMO
“The A’s take the bats out of their players’ hands from the time they’re in the minor leagues,” he says. “Bobby was taught always to take the first pitch. They take all the aggressiveness out of their players…”
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
maybe there needs to be a counter-screenplay about the 2009 A's
Moneyball Backlash
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Aug 25, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan refused to watch that movie too...
And he thinks it was written by Billy Beane’s chiropractor.
by timed exposure on Aug 25, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Directed by Joe Morgan
Steve Phillips – Executive Producer
Dusty Baker – Assistant Producer
Moneyball Backlash: Stats’r’dumb!
by cityplANner on Aug 25, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's about the only thing he's even close to being right about
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed
to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
but he's wrong about Swisher and Byrnes
see above.
Never said he was right about them
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Did the A's teach him to swing at
every single slider low and away, no matter how far off the plate?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 25, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
probably not. but then again byrnes and durazo did the same thing...
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Don't forget Grieve and T-Long!
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro
by Philip Christy on Aug 26, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions
And if I remember correctly Tejada had the issue
until he figured it out by using a machine that threw him nothing but sliders.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 26, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding
Last I heard, no one’s ever struck out taking the first pitch.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except, emperor with no clothes
that in two of the three cases Crosby Senior cites, the facts prove the OPPOSITE.
from the bbtf thread on this article:
Percent of pitches swung at this year: A’s 46%, Angels 44%.
Pitches/PA: A’s 3.78, Angels 3.88.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Aug 26, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a very good statistic, thank you for sharing XBH
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Aug 31, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Suprised no one has asked this yet but
Can a player be placed on the DL against his will? What rights does he have if he feels he is not injured?
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
I believe the union files a grievance
but since Crosby has had a chronic case of suckitis, in this case an untreatable disease, I think that the A’s would be fine
You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas
by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf
my link wont post.
basically im linking to ed’s crappy stats
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crosbed01.shtml?redir
Fuck you Bob Geren
by supermarc589 on Aug 25, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
dude never hit even one home run in his whole career...
what a cornhole!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Based on his stats, he could be the A's next hitting coach.
But after this, I’m not so sure.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
wow, Ed is out of his mind!
The last thing you want to do after being putting on the phantom DL for sucking, is to broadcast it in the news. It’s like the execs of AIG going to the public and complain how the administration wouldn’t let them take their bonuses. It’s not like the A’s only taught BoCro to take the 1st pitch and not be aggressive, they taught everyone, including the guy who’s taking BoCro’s job right now.
Ed may be right...
…that the A’s organization’s strategy for hitting sucks. And it could have to do with teaching about always taking the first pitch. In the book Moneyball, I remember Beane being quoted as saying that you can’t teach patience…and then the A’s have spent the past few years trying, which might have thrown hitters off, making them do things that weren’t in their comfort zone - per what happened earlier this year with Holliday and his “tutoring” by Mark McGuire. It’s also possible the organization has shifted strategies a bit, at least that’s my hope.
The rest of the article is wishful thinking. I don’t see what any organizational approach has to do with Bobby Crosby being a sucker for the low outside pitch.
Ahem
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
It would be more than a little surprising
if the team had done nothing at all to change their approach in the six years since Crosby was in the minors…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
question
did mcgwire coach holliday as part of something the A’s organization requested, condoned, and/or planned in order to bring holliday to the A’s strategy? or was it an independent coaching session the A’s knew about but no more?
don't care if i ever get back.
McGwire was coaching Holliday before the trade
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
yes. indeed. otherwise, why would the A's care...? or me even?
it happened months before spring training even. with bobby in tow. in irvine. it was well reported at the time because there was barely any other baseball news around that early. (and actually, it’s closer to go around the block the other way and say that mcgwire was coaching holliday AFTER the trade. the trade from colorado.)
but my question was about the motive. did the A’s have mcgwire change holliday’s approach as a team-tactical project or did mcgwire and holliday get together on their own volition?
i ask this question because i’m trying to figure out how the A’s “teach” if at all. this one training seems important because it also touches on the A’s dubious intentions for bobby at the time (the time being january. focus zonis, focus.). did they send McG to work on bobby’s swing too? or was it indie motivation all around? probably indie, right? i mean, bobby was fighting for a spot and holliday was probably freaking about coming down from colorado’s air.
don't care if i ever get back.
note to Crosby Sr
If Bobby was as good as you say he is why didn’t any team try to pick him up on waivers. The A’s could even get rid of him when they offered to pay alarge part of his salary. Hope you like the minor leagues because that is where you will see him playing next year.
Crosby won't even be a Quad-A player...
next year, he’ll be organizational filler somewhere…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
ah, it's just a dad being a dad. tough to see your son go the route that Bobby has
(i.e. suck), and then have to live with all the legitimate business decisions the A’s have made.
Save Rajai Davis
this
If Bobby Crosby said these things, it’d be worth getting riled over, but it’s his dad. Who cares…
by AgitationStation on Aug 25, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Steam must’ve been coming out of Ed’s ears when he heard that Blake was drafted by the A’s.
“No chance he will sign with Oakland”
“Crosby is not hurt”
“That he has been messed with”
“He hasn’t been treated properly by Beane. Theyre gona make a movie about Beane with Brad Pitt. What is it going to be, a comedy?”
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Aug 25, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I loved that movie
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Burn After Reading
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
If you're going to post animated GIFs
it would be nice to post with a subject line, so that the post can be collapsed.
LL has a rule about this. We’re more forgiving at AN, but it’s still the considerate thing to do.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
The title made me LOL a little bit.
Bobby Crosby’s Dad breaks silence
We were all waiting in great suspense for your fantastic words, Ed. The A’s put Bobby on waivers, and noone took him. There’s a reason for that.
"Surely these gents are talking about the dashing rookie campaign of southpaw Jamie Moyer. Now, that cat is on the up and up." JLaff, in 1929.
by travdog6 on Aug 25, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If he's a true Crosby, he'll have
broken his silence, broken his wrist, broken his tibia, and his hip all at once
by cityplANner on Aug 25, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and struck out swinging to boot!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
the royals did trade for Yunieski Betancourt....
i bet they would be desperate enough to give BoCro a try for a little bit. easy wins for the A’s next year if they do. that is if Greinke isnt pitching.
I find it amazing that the A's haven't released Crosby yet
since he, and now apparently his “entourage,” have pretty much been as negative toward the organization as possible. Isn’t there some part of a player’s contract which involves some kind of duty of loyalty toward his employer?
I suppose the only reason they’re keeping him at this point is just to prevent him from getting another job for as long as possible.
Really, though, I have to say— I’m getting pretty fucking sick of these rants by awful, awful baseball players. Last year it was Emil Brown, year before that it was Bobby Kielty… I mean, not to put to fine a point on it, shut up. You’re terrible. You’re a waste of money and oxygen.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed, let your play speak for itself
apparently many of these players can’t, so they let their mouths take care of it.
by asyouwish33 on Aug 25, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, they should all be banished to Antarctica,
like Brad Halsey!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
there would be something sweet about having him "active" and not playing him at all
and i mean zero at bats, zero times in the field. when you are out of position players and need a pinch hitter, have geren pretend to be about to put in crosby, but then have him use a pitcher to hit instead. i know this would be childish and vindictive, but, there’s sometimes we should humor our inner child..
Hi ho.
Yeah
But wait until Sept Call ups. Don’t waste the space and force your team to play with 24 players. Put him on the D… oh… Ooooh… OOOOOOOhhhh. I get it now.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Now that would be great...
Sept. call ups, then we DFA Crosby concurrently! What team would want Crosby in when 1) he sucks (no contenders would pick him up and 2) not a prospect (why play him instead of the younger guys)!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
Treat him like the guy in Office Space
Um… we’re going to have to ask you to move… umm….
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
but... but...
then Crosby might set the building on fire!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
New stadium from insurance money here we come!!!
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
And I said, I don’t care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Billy that if they move my locker one more time, then, then I’m, I’m quitting, I’m going to quit. And, and I told Lew too, because they’ve moved my locker four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn’t bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it’s not okay because if they take my stapler then I’ll set the stadium on fire…
by DeJay on Aug 28, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1,000,000
I imagine that after Billy reads that article, he will get released.
They have to wait until he comes off DL right? or can they just release him
I really doubt the A's are just going to release Crosby right now because his dad bitched and moaned
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
This is true
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Maybe just leave him on the D.L. longer.
Can say he needs time to spend time with family because is Dad is having a problem with his mouth spouting off. So Bobby can be by his side till he recovers.
by Athletix Man on Aug 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Bobby Kielty rant?
My recollection is he was pretty classy about his situation.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Maybe I'm misrecalling
or confusing him with someone else.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
you and roger
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
uhhh ok
He had a twinge in his left calf
then
But they were just looking for an excuse. Bobby’s not hurt, period
What about the game after he got hurt and the A’s had no bench players they could use in a close game.
Geren at no point this year has showed any shyness in playing him.
That's the year I graduated from high school.
All I can say is that I remember him when he played for Cleveland…and it wasn’t pretty.
psst, I'll tell you a secret
Ed was 1-2 for the Indians that season.
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
haha, I was waiting for someone to look it up.
But what about his 1.000 career ops in the playoffs?
by Athletix Man on Aug 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured that AM was going to say
something like that…but my memory isn’t what it used to be so I didn’t want to say anything.
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In fairnest to Bobby, his rookie year, the team was making a charge toward the division title when he was injured. Without him the team went into a funk and missed the playoffs.
He was never the same after that (except against Toronto).
I think you're talking about 2005
Crosby’s 2nd year
"if gio would of ptched,he would of pitched shoot outs." - MR.OAKLAND
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Awesome
I guess this means we will never have to see another Crosby in an Oakland A’s uniform. Sorry, Blake.
Darn
I was really hoping Bobby would resign. At least the whole Crosby brigade will shut up when Bobby is left on the scrap heap by the time next year rolls around.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
he totally should resign
kind of like nixon did.
don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The one example of Crosby being badly treated by the A's
was the misdiagnosis of his back injury, which turned out to be a fracture. That matters, obviously, but Crosby is hardly the only A’s player who’s gotten iffy medical advice and treatment from the A’s. And the biggest problem was that the A’s kept wanting him to play even though he was hurt — kind of the opposite of what Ed is complaining about here.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm holding Ed Crosby to his word...
He said Bobby won’t re-sign with the A’s.
OH HAPPY DAY!
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yeah
That’s what I got out of the article too. If any of this is true, I tip my cap to Billy for forcing Crosby to the DL. He was just looking out for all of us fans, sparing us from watching another Crosby AB.
Thx Billy!! That’s why your the best!
Someone should direct Ed Crosby to this site....
so he can see what his son’s “fans” think of him
It seems to me that Beane has been pretty good to the Crosby clan...
Beane has supported Bobby all through his trials and tribulations. He always defended him by saying that his development was stunted because of all the fluke injuries. Beane said that he believed in Bobby’s ability. I think last year was the final straw. Bobby, healthy for most of ‘08, was awful, besides a lot of doubles. Beane finally came to the conclusion that most of us already came to – Bobby’s just not starter material. Beane hoped to give Bobby an opportunity elsewhere by putting him through the waiver process – come to find out, no other team thought he was worthy of a roster spot or his $5 million price tag. Then, Beane made Crosby a very useful utility player. By using him as a utility player, the A’s probably extended his career for an additional five years.
As for his brother, Blake, the A’s did the Crosby clan a favor by taking this kid. He’s awful and probably will never develop into anything remotely resembling an MLBer. Blake, as I recall reading, wants to work in a MLB front office one day. I’m just speculating here, but it’s possible that Beane’s giving him a leg up on the competition, let him learn how the system works before he attempts to be a GM or executive. Ed – keep quiet, Beane and the A’s have done a lot for your family, maybe one day you will realize this and give Beane the apology he deserves for your rant!
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Aug 26, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
+1
In the immortal words of Ween,
“Don’t shit where you eat, my friend”
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
"(Ed Crosby Can) Piss Up a Rope."
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he gets pinkeye on his leg,
and flies on his d**k.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 26, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Which Cust will promptly drop.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
very good
I agree the utility player part may save him a few years but the only way he makes it into a big league camp is on a minor league deal. Reality for Crosby will be going from $5 million to $1 million or less. It will be put up or shut up time.
If those are his only 2 choices, then it's time to shut up.
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
The Guy Is Getting Paid Big Bucks
Like many fans, I had some high hopes for Crosby. The bottom line is that he is 29 years old, is a poor hitter and (at best) an average defensive player. For this he is getting $5+ million. Nice job if you can get it.
I can understand his old man’s frustrations, but maybe the A’s are a better scapegoat than coming to terms that the son is only marginally better than Pop’s was.
by KCa's on Aug 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ed Crosby
As a father, I can understand that you are trying to protect your son. As pathetic as it is.
As an A’s fan…..newsflash-Your son pretty much sucks.
BB has been more than gracious with Bobby for the past couple of years and no other team in baseball wanted him. So, why not focus on the positive? You were a mediocre ball player BUT got to make it to the show. Your son was projected to be an above average player but pretty much never really lived up to the expectations of his first season. Two ball players from the same family…that’s pretty impressive.
Your rant in the press? Not so much.
"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."
Beane should
have just sent Crosby down to Sacramento. Wonder how pops would feel bout that?
"You could visualize with Bill. He created television in your mind.'' Rick Barry
send him to Vancouver
he would be lucky to hit .280 there….it amazes me that a career .238 hitter complains about playing time then his dad bashes the organization…i don’t care, i’m just glad this man will only be an Athletic for another month or so…
by iBleedGreenNGold on Aug 26, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The part I don't get is that he's bashing the A's, who have control over his other son for the next six years.
Sure, if the kid is good, he’ll get his shot, but if he’s only okay, they could bury him so deep, so deep it’ll put his butt to sleep sitting on the bench.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you looked at Blake Crosby's numbers?
He’ll be lucky if he isn’t released this offseason. He actually has a not-totally-implausible case for “worst player in all of professional baseball anywhere.”
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
have you looked at bobby crosby's numbers?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
And he's already like 25
He wouldn’t be good in an independent league.
by walk off bunt on Aug 26, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ed Crosby thinks that Bobby was put on the DL
even though he’s not injured. OK, that theory is not entirely fanciful. Next question, why would a GM want to DL a guy who isn’t hurt? Maybe because … oh, I don’t know … because he sucks?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Charlie O used to try to do that all the time.
He’d want to make a change in the middle of the postseason, so he’d get the doctor to say the player was injured and try to get the player to sign a paper admitting it. Then he’d be able to throw him on the DL and replace him with someone tearing it up in the minors or via trade.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Bobby's not hurt, so what? He still sucks and has sucked for a long time.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
Wow
Bobby Crosby does not expect to be a member of the A’s next season.
“They’re obviously moving in a different direction,
That slider, you can’t seem to hit, is moving in another direction too.
by theblackpearl on Aug 26, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
theblackpearl!
Have you checked your email lately? (It’s a good thing.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
QOTM !!!!
And please tell me that Miggy, no MIggy and the whole town of Dani in the Dominican Republic are laughing their collectively asses off,
Oh, and add Pedro Martinez who could probably fashion a “sitting under a mangoe tree” and Bobby’s average into a joke.
"We get two outs, and I was sure, and I had a plan, and I shook Tek off," Schilling said. "And I get a big 'What if?' for the rest of my life."
by Imaseasonticketholder on Aug 26, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Best quote...
is where he says the A’s take the bat out of their players’ hands. Maybe that’s how to finally get bobby going; have him walk up with no bat and stick an elbow out there. He’d have a better chance of getting on base and at the worst, he could only make one out
What'll probably happen
is he’ll sign with an NL team and hit .300, mostly because the NL sucks. I was really, really hoping he would sign with KC, but with Betancourt there, I doubt that will happen. KC fans around here refuse to believe that Betancourt is as bad as the numbers indicate, but when you were running Tony Pena Jr. and Willie F. Bloomquist out there, anything looks like an upgrade.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
Zduriencik is the new Beane
Not only is he making smart trades, he’s now stolen the A’s tradition of unloading crappy players on Kansas City.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Everyone's in on THAT racket now
Florida… Boston…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
"...he’ll sign with an NL team and hit .300, mostly because the NL sucks."
It doesn’t suck THAT much.
Yeah it does
Smoltz had an era over 7 in Boston and threw a 6 in shutout his first start for the Cardinals against the Padres. I could see Crosby playing for San Diego next year.
His FIP in Boston was in the 4s, I think
There was no reason to believe he was nearly as bad as he appeared to be in Boston.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Jorge De La Rosa?
Couldn’t hang in KC. Decent in Colorado, of all places. Holliday’s Ruth-like month after the trade? Jeremy Affeldt? Maybe the NL is just a different game, but the talent level is nowhere near what it is in the AL. AL teams have to keep up with Boston and NYY, while no NL team has spent the way those two teams have.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
If a bunch of players go from the AL to the NL,
and a bunch of players go from the NL to the AL, wouldn’t that tend to change the relative ability of “the league”? Seems a bit odd to have such a divide in an era where players are so transient.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
With regard to "familiararity" it does, yes, but...
…not necessarily regarding just good players moving more from one league to the other.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
You can play this game all day
Adam Kennedy has improved since switching to the AL. Teixeira improved dramatically when he went from Atlanta to LAA last year. Scott Rolen is worse since switching to the NL. So is Ben Francisco.
Anecdotal evidence sucks
Fortunately, we have real evidence on how wide the divide is.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I'm not saying the AL isn't better
I’m just saying the difference isn’t so great that Bobby Crosby becomes a .300 hitter over there.
Of course not
the point of the link was to demonstrate exactly how wide the gap is… and by extension, that it is not equivalent to 80 points of BA.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
No chance he plays in San Diego next year
If they trade Kouzmanoff, and BoCro is willing to slide over to third maybe, but SS is locked up by Evereth Cabrera – plus glove, young, and cheap.
Unless you meant the Surf Dawgs…
He won't sign with an AL team
Bobby-san will be lucky to be playing in Japan next year. And I’m guessing that’s where he’ll end up going.
by coffee roaster on Aug 27, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, Japan is full of middle infielders who can't hit
It’s the AAAA slugger types who are in demand over there.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Dan Johnson anyone? Anyone?
You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas
by designatedforassignment on Aug 28, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Dan Johnson!
[to the tune of It had to be you]
{clapping}
Playing for you, I like playing for you. {more clapping} [Thank you, folks!]
Got sent up and down, but finally found
The baseball team who
will play me a few,
And could let me wear blue [Hey dame, how ya doin’?.]
Thank you BayStars, I don’t have to starve
Playing for you.
by LoneStranger on Sep 1, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
we should have offered bobby for a box of krispy kreme's
that way we could have kept Scutaro
The Crosby Hate is Excessive
Here’s a guy who is clearly a great disappointment, who got very lucky at the financial end by having a deal negotiated that would pay him better at the end than many superior players.
And yet, as a back-up infielder, he’s pretty solid. He can play all four infield positions with a certain mastery (it took a while, but he’s there now); his hitting is putrid, but he does have some pop in his bat and can jack one out every now and then. He’s no Marco Scutaro in his prime, but then again he’s no Gregorio Petit either (or at least what we’ve seen of Gregorio Petit).
He’ll probably have to take a minor league contract next year, unless one of the major contenders decides it’s important to have an experienced back-up who can play shortstop like a league average starter, and who can be a regular if someone goes down for a while.
That’s Bobby Crosby. He’s a decent back-up infielder. No more, but also no less.
by richwol1 on Aug 27, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's not Crosby hate, so much
It’s not Crosby hate so much as hating the A’s management giving the guy a chance way after it was warranted, and not having a viable alternative. Remember when Ken Macha kept putting him #3 in the order? It wasn’t because he was a #3 hitter, it was because the A’s projected him to be a #3 hitter at some point in the undefined future. Keep in mind that this was back when the A’s were contending, so it did matter.
i make fun of him, but i don't actually hate him
after so much time, i just can’t dig up much in the way of exciting memories that he’s given us. that might just be my poor memory.
but, ok, i’ll say something good about him:
all great baseball players fail a high percentage of the time. bobby crosby certainly fails a high percentage of the time. thus, it stands to reason that bobby crosby might just be a great baseball player.
and: when bobby did do something good it was always extra sweet, because it came as a great surprise against a background of expected doom.
Hi ho.
by danh on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From what I have seen and heard...
he is a really good person as well. When I was in Baltimore to see the A’s, a little kid approached Bobby in the lobby of the hotel for an autograph. One of the hotel employees tried to chase the kid away, but Bobby was like… it’s ok he just wants an autograph. That impressed me.
by Keystone State on Aug 28, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't you read the article
He can play all three infield positions. There are only three of them.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
This is a verification...
…of what I’ve long suspected: that the A’s use the DL for non-disability related reasons. I am not sure if this is wrong or right, but it seems that the DL is used as a loophole for roster-related issues. Strained oblique, rash on the ankle, etc. etc. likely mean something else entirely.
by Chilango on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
They're really milking that rash on the ankle thing.
Looks like they might be able to keep that pesky Braden off the field for the rest of the year. He’s sneaky, that Beane.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Aug 28, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt that only one team has done that
although obviously most of the players on the DL need to be there…and probably many who don’t land on the DL should be there…
Look across the Bay..
Rich Aurilia would have been DFA’ed/released if the Giants weren’t doing the exact same thing. They are hiding him on the DL because he sucks, but will bring him back when rosters expand so that he can ride out the season with them and retire with dignity.
Frankly, I wish the A’s had done the same with Giambi, and instead given Bobby his walking papers. Instead they’ve done Bobby a favor by letting him learn a degree of versatility to prolong his career.
Giambi will finish his career with a contender
By releasing him when they did, he now has a chance to do something he couldn’t do in Oakland, suck for someone going for the playoffs.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
If his release was at his request, then great.
But judging from the Beane interview, I don’t think that was the motive at the time and the move came across as a bit… cold, given all the goodwill, fanfare and upcoming bobble-head festivities – if justifiable based on performance. He didn’t perform well, but for a guy that was supposed be a DH, and occasional 1B, he did everything he was asked with humility and without bitching. In a lost season, it would have been no big deal to extend him the same rope that the Ginats are doing with Aurilia.
Not a new thought around here by any means, but the thing that astounds me about Bobby (and now his father) is how he still seems to be unaware of the high degree of suck he has attained combines with a willingness to publicy gripe about any and every percieved injustice levied upon him by the organization or anyone else. His words reek with a sense of entitlement that I find absolutely putrid and I, for one, would derive some enjoyment from seeing him unceremoniously dumped and made an example of.
Well
in the case of Giambi, the A’s had a need to keep who they had on the roster and were in a major roster crunch of Giambi coming back. Giambi wasn’t doing anything really at the time, was healthy and ready to go. Yes, the timing sucked. Yes, the I’m sure it wasn’t the best of scenarios for anyone and Giambi remained entirely professional about it. BUT, he was released with enough time to catch on with someone else which based on what was going around there were teams ready to pick him up.
As for Crosby. Ditto.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
That's pretty much what we're doing with Nomar isn't it?
Keeping him on the roster so he can retire with dignity.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Can't any player file a grievance anytime a team does this?
I would think the union’s strength would preclude this practice from happening very often. If Crosby is 100% healthy and he’s so angry, why isn’t he filing a grievance? (Because he’s hurt, that’s why.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd love to be a fly on the wall on that one
Mediator: So, Billy, why is he on the DL? How his he hurt?
Beane: Pride. Hurt it pretty badly. Won’t ever come back from it.
Mediator: Oh. Yeah. Sorry Mr. Crosby. He’s got a fair and valid point there.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Bobby Crosby: Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!
Ed Crosby: How DARE you upset my son???
Mrs. Crosby: I’m high as a kite right now. That’s how I endure this marriage.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Rotoworld update
Bobby Crosby ran sprints, although he has not ran the bases. Not sure what that means, as that’s also usually the outcome of one of his at-bats.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
It means someone's lying about Crosby's condition
The Oakland A's: Pissing off fathers of disappointing baseball players who still managed to be better than their dads (charter club members: Tom Grieve & Ed Crosby)
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I vote Rotoworld
I’m betting he hasn’t done sprints at all.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
no, he did sprints
just in a pool with a pull-buoy to keep him from using his legs.
See? Now no one’s lying.
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