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Could it be...? No, it can't be... OMG it really is! It's a Minor League Update!!!

Hello again.

Work called me away for a while and it’s been tough getting back into the groove of things. For those who don’t know, I’m a wildland fire fighter and August got a little busy for those in my career field. So when I disappear again for a couple weeks just remember… I envy your access to in-door plumbing.

Anyways, I want to focus this week’s minor league update on the 40 man roster and the options that are going to have to be decided upon in the coming months. Why do this now instead of waiting until September 1st? The topic tickles my fancy, that’s why. As I seem to have (once again) misplaced my Cap o’ Omnipotence I’m forced to resort to basic logic and common sense reckoning to try and deduce the future roster.

That’s right… none of what I’m about to tell you is guaranteed!

Star-divide

The way I see it, there are 28-29 spots on the future 40 man roster all but guaranteed. On the pitching side, Brett Anderson, Andrew Bailey, Jerry Blevins, Dallas Braden, Craig Breslow, Trevor Cahill, Joey Devine, Gio Gonzalez, Jeff Gray, Jay Marshall, Vin Mazzaro, Clayton Mortensen, Josh Outman, Henry Rodriguez, Michael Wuertz and Brad Ziegler all seem certain to have jobs in the Oakland organization next year. That’s 16 pitchers of varying combinations of success/cheapness/options that aren’t going to be released just to make room on the roster. (There’s a pretty good chance that Outman will open next season on the 60-day DL, opening up an additional spot on the 40 man.) Santiago Casilla and Edgar Gonzalez are both arbitration eligible next season but neither pitched so well that the A’s are going to be eager to give them big pay raises, which could mean either or both players could end up as trade fodder or possibly even released. Dana Eveland is still on the 40 man roster as well, but his poor performance led to a demotion that will keep him from seeing any arby money next season. Unfortunately, Mr. Eveland’s suckitude forced the A’s to use his last option this season; meaning he can’t be stashed on Sacramento’s roster next season without first passing through waivers. Chances are Eveland isn’t going to be one of the 5 best SP candidates for the A’s come Opening Day 2010 and as a lefty with a pulse he’d probably get snapped up by some other team desperate for pitching. Therefore, I think this is good-bye to Mr. Eveland.

As it just so happens, it looks as if the A’s are going to need maybe 3 openings on the 40 man roster just to protect some arms that should attract a lot of interest in the Rule 5 draft. Pedro Figueroa hasn’t advanced past High-A ball but he’s a lefty with a low-90’s fastball. Brad Kilby is another lefty who’s put up back-to-back quality campaigns in Sacramento’s bullpen. Fautino De Los Santos is still trying to bounce back from 2008 TJ surgery but he wouldn’t last long if the A’s made him available for the Rule 5 draft. Jason Ray is in the same boat but I don’t think there’s much risk of someone grabbing him and keeping him on a 25 man roster all season.

There’s also a chance the A’s might be interested in bringing back Brett Tomko or Justin Duchscherer next season. Dan Giese should be fully recovered in time for next season; maybe the A’s are still interested in him as a swing man type. Plus, guys like Sam Demel and James Simmons could be knocking on the door next season and they’d need a spot on the 40 man to do so. Like I said, I could see 3-4 spots going to the guys I just listed and we haven’t even looked outside the organization to find help.

The hitting side of things is even more in flux.

Kurt Suzuki, Landon Powell, Eric Chavez (who?) Mark Ellis, Daric Barton, Travis Buck, Aaron Cunningham, Rajai Davis, Scott Hairston, Ryan Sweeney, Jack Cust, Tommy Everidge, Cliff Pennington and Gregorio Petit have spots on the 40 man roster. (Although I’m not sure if Petit has another minor league option available to him in 2010… if someone has a conclusive answer I’d appreciate hearing it.) C Anthony Recker is the most prominent bat in the A’s system that would be eligible for the Rule 5 draft this winter and I’m not sure if the A’s would consider his departure to be a great loss. So any Recker fans out there can protect him on their 40 man lists, but I’m thinking the A’s leave him off the protected roster. Chris Denorfia and Eric Patterson are both out of options, so if they aren’t in Oakland come Opening Day there’s a good chance they’ll be playing for another organization in 2010. I can maybe see Patterson as a back-up at 2B and in the outfield but I’ve got to squint and angle my head to one side to see it. I think it’s more likely that the A’s will try to bring back Adam Kennedy to serve as a deluxe back-up option/veteran mentor type.

The real twist comes when you consider the minor league bats that the A’s have in AA or higher that aren’t yet on the 40 man roster. Sean Doolittle, Adrian Cardenas, Josh Donaldson, Corey Brown, Chris Carter and Brett Wallace highlight the next wave of Oakland offense… which could be much more refreshing than the current ripple in the still waters we’ve experienced as of late. Yet again we haven’t looked outside the current organization to determine if maybe there’s another bat to be had.

So bring back Kennedy, add the newbies and you’re looking at 38-39 players on the 40 man roster before the Rule 5 draft. Does anyone see any glaring omissions?

Until the next time...

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Thanks for doing this

it helps me decide what name to put on the back of my jersey and from what i can deduce, Tomko it is.

any chance you were in the santa cruz mountain fires? regardless, thanks so much for doing what you do. I’ve worked for the national parks in the past and do a lot of field work/hiking so i will go on record saying that your profession is taken for granted by way too many. thanks again.

"Mazzaro world"
-Nico, cerca 2009

by MazzaroWorld on Aug 25, 2009 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to be evil

but you misspelled circa in your sig.

I wouldn’t correct a single spelling mistake, but this one would be in every one of your posts!

by ohmangoAs on Aug 25, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

players to be removed form 40-man

Reineke
Tomko
Cameron
Duke
Giese
Eveland
E. Gonzalez
Crosby
Garciaparra
Denorfia
Petit (redundant) see Pennington
Marshall (redundant) see Blevins, Breslow
Everidge (average) see Wes Bankston, Jeff Baisley

Buck (Traded)
H-Rod (Traded) see Casilla Part II

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Bankston got abducted by the Swedish Bikini Team

But I’d add Barton to your to-be-traded pile.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Aug 25, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really doubt any of those players will be traded

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling Buck will. Just a guess.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 25, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corey Brown and Aaron Cunningham are to Travis Buck as
Sean Dolittle and Chris Carter are to Daric Barton.

Buck+Barton have no future in the green and gold. Trade them+Simmons to the Nats for Adam Dunn.

by PL78 on Aug 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will be traded... or can be traded?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Aug 25, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO can be traded....

A’s have a glut of corner OF. Unless the A’s want to renew the Buck to 3B experiment (if I recall correctly, Buck was taking some groundballs at 3B earlier in the season).

I think one tell-tale sign will be is whether he is recalled or not when rosters expand in Sept. If he doesn’t get recalled, I think it’s a sign the brass may be done with him.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The two questions are inescapably interrelated

I just have a hard time seeing a team giving up either young-prospects-with-value, or good veterans, for those guys. Maybe there could be some kind of mutual-change-of-scenery trade, but those aren’t actually all that common. The A’s don’t need relievers, which are another common highly fungible commodity which can be moved for that kind of player.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that....

maybe Barton to the Nationals or Marlins. 1B is the one position the A’s shouldn’t have to worry about. Options include; Doolittle, Carter and ultimately Wallace (not sold on Everidge). Barton is young enough that other teams may think he is worth giving up a little value for.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carter and Wallace

One of those dudes is our DH, the other 1B. But I dont think Wallace has the chops to stick there. He’s a lot like Ryan Braun or Travis Hafner, bad defense but an absolute masher.

by PL78 on Aug 25, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would make me sad

I have to acknowledge that Barton hasn’t managed to put it together in several chances now. It just seems like we would be selling so low on him.

by colin on Aug 25, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By several do you mean one?

You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas

by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I endorse this statement, DFA

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Aug 25, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no.. I think he is under team control for 3 more years....

check cots basball contracts

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link

cot’s

According to Cot’s, Davis has less than 2 full seasons of MLB service. So the A’s have control for 4 more years?

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 more

Cot’s is updated each offseason, so unless a player has spent real time in the minors, he will end this season with one year more of service than what is currently shown there.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 25, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, cots shows 1.167, so 2.167 after this year. that=4 more years.

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Aug 25, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it turns out actually reading posts is a good idea

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eveland

I could swear he was DFA’d after a start this year, meaning he’s no longer on the 40 man roster.

by speckops on Aug 25, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for the for the purposes of getting waivers

its a newish rule but he got waivers so hes still on the 40 man

You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas

by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow this has been an epically slow day

I have a question. My understanding is that you can’t use the 60 day DL to stash someone in the off season and that they have to take a roster spot. Is that accurate?

You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas

by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Basically, yes

The 40 man roster gets (essentially) re-set during the offseason, with anyone who ended the previous playing season on the 60-day DL needing to be placed back on the 40 man roster… or waived/released/etc. You can put someone (like Outman) back on the 60-day DL at the end of Spring Training when Opening Day rosters are set.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Aug 25, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that makes things difficult since the A's have umpteenth million players on the 60 day

You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas

by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't be the only person who'd far rather see Eric Patterson on the 2010 team than Adam Kennedy

Can I?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS.

Honestly, I have my doubts about Patterson, but he has the potential to actually have a future, unlike Kennedy, and he has awesome minor league numbers. I don’t get why he doesn’t get a fair chance.

"Surely these gents are talking about the dashing rookie campaign of southpaw Jamie Moyer. Now, that cat is on the up and up." JLaff, in 1929.

by travdog6 on Aug 25, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other than his mom, you might be.

My big issue with Patterson is that even if he were to hit well he wouldn’t be a good defensive player anywhere — and it’s not like I have confidence he’ll ever hit well. I like Kennedy as a backup utility player who is the annual “good veteran presence.” I don’t really like Patterson for anything unless he hits .300, in which case where exactly do you play him anyway?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 25, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have confidence in Adam Kennedy to be a good defensive player or hit well either

I do have confidence in him getting more playing time than he deserves and getting paid more…

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Though I think you need someone who can actually play SS. That being said I think Patterson has a higher upside going forward.

You do that and pretty soon your world turns into some kind of crazy postmodernist dystopian nightmare where nothing is actually true anymore. - Paul Thomas

by designatedforassignment on Aug 25, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not.

Kennedy will be an expensive 34-year-old coming off a fluke season. That does us no good whatsoever.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 26, 2009 7:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson is cheaper then Kennedy

Patterson will save a few dollars. “Veteran” leadership might be helpful if the 2010 A’s are fighting for a playoff spot, but I do not see that happening. It will also give Patterson a chance to sink or swim.

Casillia can be dropped in favor of one of the rookie relievers shedding a few more dollars. Relievers are easily replaceable.

Giese and Tomko are 5th/6th/7th starters who occasionally have a good month. Somebody might give the A’s a player who could be a PTBNL until after the draft to keep a spot open just in case.

by Howzer on Aug 25, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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