A's Sign 1st Round Pick Grant Green; Come to Terms with Ian Krol
by athleticsBB4life on Aug 17, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
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The A's have now signed or agreed to terms with 29 of their 49 selections from the draft, including each of the first eight and 15 of the first 18.
According to Slusser, the Oakland A's and the 13th pick in the 2009 amateur draft, SS Grant Green, agreed to terms. Kevin Goldstein reports that Green will receive a $2.75 million straight bonus.
According to the baseballamerica.com, the team also came to terms with pitcher Ian Krol, who was drafted in the 7th round.
Illinois prep lefthander Ian Krol has agreed to terms with the Athletics, who drafted him in the seventh round. Krol missed his senior season due to a suspension and was committed to Arizona. He signed for $925,000.
As for another notable pick, Sam Dyson, it was previously reported that he would be attending college.
With the signing of Max Stassi earlier in the day, it appears as though the A's had a relatively successful draft. The organization was able to come to terms with their first eight draft picks.
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Wow.
I’m guessing you had this written up already.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Aug 17, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Krol missed his senior season due to a suspension"
wow, what do you have to do to miss an entire season due to a suspension?
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by xbhaskarx on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i heard it was alcohol related
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by athleticsBB4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krol suspension article...
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Aug 17, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should have just bailed on that high school. can 17 year old high school players play in indy leagues?
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was playing on a scout team in Wisconsin.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good. I think its dumb to suspend a player for not drinking but being "in the vicinity" of alcohol
then he has 20 more hours a week to find a way to get in real trouble.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Aug 17, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never understood this
i would go further, not suspend a kid for drinking, and other things.
by Future Ed on Aug 17, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zero tolerance.
that’s what it gets you. Nonsensical garbage.
still Swish Fan #1.
by ChrisCEIT on Aug 19, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yaaaaaaaaaaay
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
by SoCalA'sFan on Aug 17, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane 1 Scott Boras 0
KG reporting a straight $2.5m bonus.
Team America Fuck YEAH!
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
commin' again to save the Mutha-effin day yeah!
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
by SoCalA'sFan on Aug 17, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very very happy with that bonus.
I think it gave them the ability to offer Krol more money too.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again." - Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
by Orodawg on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic
Green, the guy with the big name agent, was expected to sign for 3.6 million and ended up taking 2.5 million.
Krol, the guy, with the no name agent, was expected to sign for 600k and ended up signing for 900k.
What’s the lesson? Unless you’re drafted by the Nationals, it doesn’t matter who your agent is, you will never have more leverage then when you are in highschool.
Beane 1, Boras 0!!!
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green
I think it was reported that the Padres offered Green $1.2m coming out of high school, so even with a bonus of ‘just’ $2.75m it seems like he made the right decision turning it down.
by DeJay on Aug 18, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you know what, how many highschoolers can actually say that.
Green was not only a top 15 pick, but he lucked out that he got drafted in a year where the draft is turning into a bidding war.
The majority of highschoolers drafted this year probbly end up loosing money if they had gone to college—especially someone like Krol who was going to go to a Community College.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
Krol had an offer from Arizona, or so I heard.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had enrolled in a CC
I think the AZ deal was forfeited when he was suspended.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Billy Beane 3, Bud Selig 0 better.
:-)
For Boras to eek out 2.5MM for a college junior after a dissapointing season actually is pretty good.
Beane, Neal Huntington, and a few other GMs have effectively raped Selig’s stupid system.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
by Blicks on Aug 18, 2009 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't use "rape" in a sports context,
the word pillaged would work much better there without devaluing real rape.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you're right, my bad.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
by Blicks on Aug 18, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about devaluing real pillage?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a reason I shouldn't?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pillagers everywhere might feel their work is being undervalued.
Twitter went down today--if only there were some short, shallow, self-indulgent way to express my horror.-Stephen Colbert
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 18, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard it takes a pillage to raise a child
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by Nico on Aug 18, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im OK with failing to give Gengis Khan and the Vikings their appropriate level of street cred.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably how he did it.
I’m thinking he said, here’s 2.5M, take it or take the risk of going back to college, having another down year, and getting 600k next year. Also, if Green hadn’t had a down year he would have been a top 5 pick so we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Boras’ secret, I believe, is he’s gotten good at playing chicken with other GM’s. His player rarely ever don’t sign, but he gets GM’s so worked up in believing they wont, they outbid themselves. Very few GM’s have the self confidence to set a price they feel the player is worth, stick with it, and not hit the break first as they both drive towards the proverbial cliff. (ex: Nationals, Dodgers, Giants).
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nationals?
I hope you’re not referring to Strasburg. That was a HUGE win for them.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they could have offered 12 MM, and Strasburg wouldn’t have turned them down. No way do you risk blowing out your arm and getting way less than that over 3 MM.
by speckops on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he turn down 12.5mm?
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by dtownmbrown on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by adragon on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Didn’t know about that. Regardless, I think that was merely brinksmanship. I get the feeling that he wouldn’t have turned it down if that had been the Nats final offer as of 5 before midnight.
by speckops on Aug 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great.
What level will Green start at if he gets in this year? Kane County?
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by kenntoe on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kane County is kinda overloaded on SS's
Ladendorf + Leyja. I think Green might report to Stockton.
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"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
by Orodawg on Aug 17, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be very aggressive
and would probably put him on a 2011 time line for the bigs. Stockton to finish the year. Start 2010 back at Stockton with an early mid season promotion to AA. Being 2011 with an aggressive posting to Sac and a Mid to late season call up to the big squad. Very optimistic but also realistic.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Weeks did start at Kane.
But he wasnt there long at all.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Aug 17, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was commenting on stockton being aggressive.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im just saying Weeks coulda went straight to Stockton..
since he didnt spend much time at Kane.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't play any games in the 2 oh 9!
Boooyee
by DaPorts! on Aug 17, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd expect him to go to Vancouver for the remaining couple of weeks of the season
Dustin Coleman has the job in Stockton.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here is where we learn that reading the entire thread is a good idea
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can also be hazardous to your health
Like, if, for instance, the thread is about trying to explain the true value of Ryan Sweeney.
Outman, fighter of the Hitman, champion of the K, he's a master of scoreless innings and friendship for everyone.
by walk off bunt on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Cust
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
by NateHST on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
We need to do more “rec’ing” of comments around here, IMO. Sometimes it’s too scary to wade through 400-comment threads…if we’re diligent about rec’ing the funniest and most enlightened commentary, it will benefit the group as a whole. Much easier to scan through a giant thread for different colors than it is to scrutinize every comment.
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by notsellingjeans on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I also advocate the use and respect of troll spray images
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by nevermoor on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the green is pretty
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Aug 18, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's so hard about reading a 3 comment thread?
And that’s assuming Sweeney’s mom is a member of AN.
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by grover on Aug 18, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, but...
When did the A’s reup Vancouver? Last I heard, Vancouver had moved to Sacto… and that was a long time ago.
For that matter, didn’t Carney manage at Vancouver at one time?
by As Fan in the Bronx on Aug 18, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vancouver is the A's short-season A ball affiliate
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the new Vancouver team
was created nearly immediately after the old team moved to Sacramento in 2000. Even though the AAA team left, there was still a market for something, so they made a short-A team and joined the Northwest League.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team moved from Medford, OR to Vancouver WA
not too long after I left Medford after the 1994 season. First they changed the name from “Southern Oregon A’s” to “Southern Oregon Timberjacks” (fortunately I missed that era) and then a few years later the team moved to Vancouver.
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by Nico on Aug 18, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Tacoma moved to Sacramento
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by Eastbayjim on Aug 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole city?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Aug 18, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WA
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Aug 19, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really??
I could have sworn the Rivercats were moved from Vancouver, BC. I always assumed they went from Medford to BC. Now I’m really confused.
The A’s had a AAA team in Tacoma in the 1980s, but I don’t think they moved. I think they just switched affiliation to the Mariners.
This whole minor league business is confusing because teams can change names, change affiliations, or relocate. I’d love to see it all nicely mapped out somewhere.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Aug 20, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forst said...
in an interview earlier that he was probably going to instructional league in the fall.
by snrubnivek on Aug 17, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skipping this year
Forst said on the radio interview he would not play this year, but would report to instucts. They would decide where to put him after that
by gojohn10 on Aug 17, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would like to see Green in AZ fall league
with an initial assignment to Stockton for at least 1/2 the year. Let his performance determine the rest of the year.
Good news is no MLB contract doesn’t push his development.
by Bud Light on Aug 17, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, it really came together at the end here
Dyson was a guy I could take or leave anyway, and otherwise the A’s basically bagged their selections. It was never going to be a great (or probably even good) draft because of the lack of high picks, but turning the mediocre group of selections the team had into an average draft has to be considered a win by any stretch.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple questions,
Why did it take so long? And (yes, this is serious) what makes Boras such a good agent/ capable of asking for so much money, as opposed to other agents?
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by travdog6 on Aug 17, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Basically, he's really good at exploiting the system in order to get his clients top dollar.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 17, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my take:
1) The MLB was refusing to sign off on large over-slot bonuses until the last day of the draft to try to keep prices under control.
2) Boras is a good agent because of a few reasons. (a) His rep has gotten to the point where teams just expect to pay over-slot/above market value just on the basis of a player signing with him. (b) He’s really good and using the media to get dumb/desperate GM’s to bit against themselves. He’ll float (leak) a number, say 50M for Strasuberg, and then play chicken with the GM once they make an offer (12.5M in the Nationals case) threatening not to sign or to go to another team if they don’t up the offer; the nationals added another 3 million to their offer for example. The Dodgers and Giants are two other teams that he recently did this to for Manny and Zito respectively. © He’s a good sales man and convinces teams they desperatly need players they don’t really need, at which point he reverts back to (b).
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with all of this
re #2: although Manny + Zito were not a few million dollars, they were over twenty million dollars each.
There wasn’t an offer for Manny on the table (although to be fair, if the Dodgers weren’ t active, someone would’ve grabbed him for 1/20 or something). Zito is just beyond stupid.
Boras is awesome at FA contracts (from a player perspective). I want to see the entertainment that is Jarrod Washburn and Rick Ankiel’s FA paydays. And Matt Holliday, although he actually is really good.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
by Blicks on Aug 18, 2009 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except in both cases, without other offers on the tabe, he got both organizations to actually out-bid themselves.
With Zito, he got the Giants so freaked out Zito would go to New York they took a ludicrous contract and made it even more ludicrous—even though it was later reported that the Yankees laughed down Boras’ 95M offer to them.
With he Dodgers, it was well kown there was no other offer on the table, even after Boras tried hard to make it look like the Giants were interested—and the Dodgers sweetened the deal anyway!
Boras preys on weak GM’s who don’t know how to hold their ground. In both instances, there was no place else for ether player to go, but the GM’s got so freaked out they threw in millions more anyway.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it the Mets, not the Yankees, who were mildly interested in Barry?
Not that it makes a whole lot of difference, obviously
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas had a real high bid in for Zito before the Giants outbid them.
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by Eastbayjim on Aug 18, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Seattle IIRC.....
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but right before Zito signed with the Giants Boras offered Zito to the Yankees at 95M, which the Yankees proceeded to laugh out of the room,
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason Boras is sooo good at his job is because this guy is his mentor
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Aug 18, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is great news!
The faith we have in BB is upheld. That they signed all three today is very happy news.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Aug 17, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good day for the A's.
I’m extremely happy with the way the draft turned out. As PT pointed out, we didn’t have a lot of high draft picks, but we definitely made them count. Leyland, Krol and Stassi were supposed to be the ones with the most leverage, and all of them signed.
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by NateHST on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, the only player I wanted that didn't sign was Roller.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dyson?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Aug 17, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never really cared that much about Dyson
His numbers in college weren’t off the charts (although I don’t know that much about the SEC), and although the reports say he has impressive stuff, he has an even more impressive injury history. He would have been nice to have, but he certainly wouldn’t have been a priority to me.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
by NateHST on Aug 17, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Roller was higher on my list then Dyson.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dyson has tons and tons of stuff.
Closer stuff at a min #2 starter if he could play it out over 6 innings.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Countered by the high probability he'd implode
He deserved an over-slot bonus, but he wasn’t worth more than Stassi.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Aug 18, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was worth more then Krol.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
missing you around these parts, grover
did you have to help out with those Santa Cruz fires?
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Aug 18, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the Hat Creek Complex north of Lassen National Park
Two weeks and the only running water I saw was in the creek.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Aug 18, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to have you back
I have been in that area and know some of the problems you faced.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Aug 18, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Lassen
Just as beautiful as Yosemite and waaay less crowded.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may have to disagree with you about Lassen being just as beautiful as Yosemite, although I'm open to being proved wrong.
But I do agree about the less-crowded part.
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by dtownmbrown on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire I was on is/was about 30 miles north 'o Lassen NP
And it isn’t real beautiful right now. Although Hat Creek is supposed to be one of the best trout streams in the state.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 Spring Training
should be fun to watch.
by sf drift king on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never really heard that much about krol,
could someone fill me in with a mini scouting report? I saw his HS stats, impressive, but I cant really find what he has in his repertoire.
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by winchester5 on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reports I've heard compare him to Brett Anderson at the same stage of his career
HS Lefty with unusually polished stuff and good command. The one major difference seems to be in mental makeup (Anderson’s the son of a coach and very smart, and Krol is— see above— apparently a bit of a knucklehead).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
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by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Aug 18, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found
a great, in-depth report on Ian Krol here
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
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by hero66 on Aug 18, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great link
It helped alot
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by adragon on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He a knucklehead!"
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by mrod on Aug 18, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude Krol never got a DUI driving to the alley behind the bar to get a blow job and then proceed to hit on the arresting officer.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what makes him a knucklehead
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by Helloooo 1st on Aug 19, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you, Denny?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Aug 19, 2009 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
The Nats signed Strasburg to a 4 year deal. I thought that a team had control over a player for the first 6 years they were in the bigs. So is Strasburg an exception or was i wrong?
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Aug 18, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I'm understanding it right
He’ll actually have 2 arbitration years AFTER his 4 year contract is up.
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by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ug
Those will be big paydays if he’s even half as good as advertised. Also, if he doesn’t make it to the big leagues out of spring training, you’ve lost some VERY valuable time. Why GM’s think they have to bend over backwards like this for Boras is beyond me.
If Strausberg doesn’t sign he has to re-enter the draft next year and will be no higher then the #3 pick (the Nats would have the top 2), pretty much guaranteeing he wont see 15M again. Although I suppose if you had a GM that knew better, you wouldn’t be a last place team and ave a shot at Strausberg.
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by Threepwood XX on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think there was a chance that he wouldn't sign.
Regardless of the games Boras played, threatening to have Strasburg play for a year in an independent league, etc, there was really nothing that could have driven his stock UP for the 2010 draft, and everythin that could have driven it down.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ML deal is separate from his service time
You can look at Justin Upton’s career earnings on Cot’s for an example of how this works.
Strasberg will be paid those figures even if he’s in the minor leagues. The luxury of the major league deal from the team’s perspective is that it allows them to spread the money out over several years. If it were a minor league deal, that $15 million would be all signing bonus. Instead, by making it a major league deal, they were able to pay $7M up front and defer about half of it.
The team will still “control” him for the full six years even if he spends all of next season, or beyond, in the minors.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Aug 18, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to go on the 40 man and you burn your option years immediately
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all goes according to plan
Strasburg would never need an option anyways, although I see your point as to the disadvantage of a MLB contract.
Presumably, the Nats are banking it on him never needing to be optioned once he is up with the big club.
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by dtownmbrown on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost certainly a safe deal for him
The one I wonder about is Jacob Turner, who got a major league deal out of HIGH SCHOOL as a pitcher.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea that seems a lot more risky.
Although, didn’t Felix Hernandez get one? I can’t remember if it was or not, but if that’s the case at least there’s precedent, although Felix wasn’t a draft-pick, and probably had more hype than Turner..
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by dtownmbrown on Aug 18, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought Felix was a free agent signing and not drafted
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he was signed at 16
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by dtownmbrown on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Beckett?
I think he got a major league deal out of high school. turned out pretty good, obviously.
by colin on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an auto-fail
Porcello seems like he’ll be fine too, albeit not as good perhaps as the hype made him out to be.
But, you know, every little bit of pressure makes a difference.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll eat my hat if the contract isn't voidable as soon as he's eligible for arbitration.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 18, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would violate the CBA, would it not?
If I’m sussing through this properly in my head:
A player is under team control for 6 years, no matter what, right?
Strasburg is getting a pro-rated salary this year of a few hundred thousand. For all intensive porpises, I’m crossing that off the board completely, because even if he makes an appearance or several with the Nationals this year, he’ll be a rookie in 2010.
2010 – Year 1 of team control – Year 1 of 4 year contract
2011 – Year 2 of team control – Year 2 of 4 year contract
2012 – Year 3 of team control – Year 3 of 4 year contract
2013 – Year 4 of team control – Year 4 of 4 year contract
2014 – Year 5 of team control – Arbitration eligible due to no contract
2015 – Year 6 of team control – Arbitration eligible due to no contract
I think I’m on the right track here, aren’t I?
Now, I would assume that if he does actually end up being the second coming of Roger Clemens as opposed to the second coming of Mark Prior (Kyle Boddy thinks its a possiblity), it’s very likely that he ends up traded and signs a monster contract extension a la Johan Santana, making this whole point moot.
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by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not moot
It would impact the size of the extension.
I’m interested to know the answer. Who on here can call Boras?
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by nevermoor on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, moot in the sense that
I’d assume he would sign an extension after his 3rd or 4th year.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Also, here’s how the ML deals work.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it appears I was right
4. The five year deal does not affect the team’s ability to control him for six full seasons. He will have pre-assigned salaries from 2010-2014 (I have confirmed this to be true). In 2015 (and any seasons beyond that in which he’s still with the organization), he’ll have his salaries determined by arbitration, just as any normal arbitration eligible player would. If he played a full season in the majors next year and stayed in the majors after that, he’d be free agent eligible after 2015. That’s extremely unlikely, so in all likelyhood, he’ll still be under club control in 2016 as well. In a case where he’s up with the team at the start of the 2011 season, the M’s would have essentially bought out his first year of arbitration with this deal.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect, I trust Cot's way more than Dave Cameron when it comes to transactional details...
He frequently gets details wrong in his posts. They are not his strong suit.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about a clause like this one:
if eligible for arbitration, Verlander may void remaining years of contract and go to arbitration
Or this one:
if otherwise eligible for arbitration after 2013 or 2014, Turner may void option and file for arbitration
Or this one:
with 3 years of Major League service, may void remaining years of deal and go to arbitration
Actually, Strasburg might not need to bother with that kind of clause, because he’s only under contract through 2012 anyway, and he can’t be arbitration-eligible before then. It’s more pertinent to Dustin Ackley, who was signed to a “five-year deal”.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, those clauses wouldn't apply in Strasburg's case.
The most logical situation is what I laid out. Pro-rated $$$ this year, 4 years of his signed contract, 2 arbitration years following that.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not the most likely, because that's not the contract he signed...
Look it up, man. The signed contract ends after 2012.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then spell it out for me, PT.
What happens after 2012?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He goes to salary arbitration, just as a normal player with 3 years' service time
(or perhaps Super Two status) would.
Or, if the Nats keep him in the minors long enough, he becomes subject to the basic reserve clause and they can renew his contract for any amount above 80% of what he made the previous season. It just depends on how much MLB service time Strasburg has on November 1, 2012.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Aug 20, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the 4 year contract included this years $400k salary
Meaning that Strasburg will have three arbitration years starting in 2013
by DeJay on Aug 19, 2009 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's came to terms with Krol a lot faster
than I’ve come to terms with Crosby.
Great draft!
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by Nico on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, how about you STFU and make a new front page post or something
I’m bored and there’s nothign to talk about. GIVE ME SOME CONTENT, DAMMIT.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget it, nevermind.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Aug 18, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how 'bout a favorite topic here...
Cust sill hasn’t driven in a run this month
CUST Watch
August Totals:
AB R H HR RBI TB BB SO OBP SLG AVG
46 10 8 0 0 8 12 22 .345 .174 .174
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by athleticsBB4life on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he hits a HR
then watch what comes out of the woodwork.
He hits CC reasonably well so one would expect him to actually, maybe get a hit or get on base once tonight.
by Trainman on Aug 18, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Susan Slusser
Catcher Max Stassi and left-hander Ian Krol, will to Phoenix briefly, then report to short-season Class A Vancouver
by webgem101 on Aug 19, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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