So when do we shut down BA+TC?
by PL78 on Aug 17, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
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PrintCahill is at 139IP, his other 2 years he went 105 then 124.
Anderson is at 126IP, his previous years he went 120 then 105.
Them being 21 and all, its time we think about shutting them down.....or do we? I mean if we do and have to use Eveland, Tomko and Jerome Williams for the rest of the year we might lose 100 games, is that worth it? We wont lose as much as the Nats, so the "lose as many as we can so we can draft Bryce Harper" possibility is not an option for us, what do you think we should do?
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Take them to 25 IP over the previous high
That’s probably 2 more Cahill starts and 3 more Anderson starts, which’ll take the team into September.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Back in April so that we could have an extra year of control.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions
and me
I said this time last year that if we were to see Cahill and Anderson in the majors this year a mistake will have been made. They weren’t going to do better than any of the many many AAAA pitchers who are always available, should have gone with them and saved Cahill/Anderson for when the A’s are theoretically good again.
Pitch them both 4.5 innings in the same game.
go with the six-man staff. Reduces the bullpen use every five days. keeps BA and TC’s innings down, but not eliminated. They will still be able to grow and learn as pitchers.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
Ask Tomko after his start tonight.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The Tomko jokes today have been funny
but it’s sad that our A’s have gotten to this point. Whose next Sidney Ponson?
if ponson could start as well as tomko did today....sign me up.
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I say September
At the end of August, skip them both once in the rotation, then allow them one more start in September, and then shut it down for good.
Give September starts to Eveland, Mortenson, Reineke, Gonzalez (Edgar), and maybe even a guy like Graham Godfrey.
I really don’t like the “hey, let’s go out and suck” approach by not giving the team the best chance to win games, but throw these guys out there and let’s see what we’ve got.
love, mike
You don't wan't Godfrey to start his service time and options early.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It means you have to DFA someone off of the 40 man roster.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Does one start kick it off that quickly?
I don’t know a lot about the CBA in baseball. I was under the assumption that you had to be on the roster for a little while… but I imagine he’s not even on the 40 man yet so that would have something to do with it.
love, mike
Any callup to the majors accumulates service time
That being said, I find it sort of silly that anyone would worry about Graham Godfrey’s service time. He’s very unlikely to be better than replacement level.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I was gonna say...
The guy’s maybe one notch ahead of Gilbert Gottfried on the depth chart.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah that is true but when you have other filler on your 40 man why bother releasing someone to put him on
and then starting the clock on him?
Eventually, my colleague and I trotted from the two-bit seats to the three-bit seats to get a closer view of the action. - Jlaff on Turn Back the Clock Day
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But does he still have those awesome Wolverine sideburns?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Let 'em Play, on a 6-man Rotation
I’m not so interested in the Inning Counting stuff. The guys are both Major League Ballplayers now, they need to go out and win games. Make sure they’re fully rested between starts, by moving to a 6-man rotation.
I understand that pitchers need rest, and I want to give it to them. Position players (catcher excepted, natch), don’t need rest. These guys who get tired, need a day off, harumph. Thank goodness Giambi is gone. Send Nomar away. If Crosby is hurt, put him on the DL and keep him there.
Baseball players are a bit ridiculous. My brother reminds me that they are not “athletes” in the same sense as, say, basketball players. They are people who are very, very skilled at certain highly valued and highly specific physical activities. But still, I want to think of them as athletes, and don’t understand why so many of them can barely walk to their cars after a game.
When I was a kid, I’d play a baseball game, get changed, then go out and play basketball for a few hours. But if I played a basketball or a soccer game, then I dragged myself to the car, ate a huge meal, ate another huge meal, and lay down to watch a football game or something. I know, I know, I was just kid, but… isn’t there something here?
I’m pretty sure there have been a fair number of studies showing that if you have a pitcher who pitches >50 innings over his career high one year, the next year the chance of him going on the DL goes up a huge amount. I’ll try to find a link.
If that’s the case though, you should be pretty interested in capping their innings pitched right around 150.
Why take any chance?
Belief in innings and pitch counts is like the baseball equivalent of Pascal’s wager. Maybe it’s not really effective, but… why would you expend YOUR pitchers trying to find out?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Well said...
And if that is indeed the wager, then why not go with a 6-man rotation from the beginning of the year and let the pitcher pitch through the game as the game demands? That means not taking him out after 5 well-fought innings when it is not clear that his “stuff” is gone.
Or are there injury statistics about pitching 108 pitches versus 99 pitches per game? Do those count throws to first base? Warm up pitches? (Another three innings would be an additional 27 warmups, right?)
Best case scenario: In 1971-72, Nolan Ryan went from 150 to 280 IP, no problem.
Middle case scenario: In 1962-63, Jim Bouton went from 133-249 IP, then threw more in 1964 and then threw out his arm. Something went bad, not exactly sure what.
Worst case scenario: In 1976, Mark Fidyrich threw 250 IP as a rookie, and then was done.
So, I’m not trying to be obtuse, here. I definitely see the dangers of overpitching. It is just annoying when I come to the game and have to sit through that 6th inning.
Spikes have a lot to do with it
Really.
love, mike
by oakland ehs on Aug 18, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, looks like we're not the only ones thinking about it...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/18/SP3B19A8MP.DTL
The A’s are watching with some concern as the innings mount for their young starters, who are pretty much the focal point of the season – the team’s rebuilding hopes center around Vin Mazzaro, Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson.
That’s why manager Bob Geren had hoped to go to a six-man rotation when Justin Duchscherer returned from the disabled list, but with chances of that fading and with left-hander Dallas Braden out until September, Oakland is looking elsewhere. According to a team source, the A’s are focusing on starters who might be available.
Vicente Padilla and John Smoltz recently were released (although both have been linked with contenders), and ex-A’s left-hander Mark Mulder is thought to be nearly ready to pitch.
love, mike
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