2009 Draft Pick update?
by catfish hunter on Aug 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT
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PrintI guess we've only got 1 day for all of this to shake out, and this might've already been covered (though if so, I'd wish it stayed in the top of the posts section) but where do we stand on the signing(s) so far? 2nd round pick is signed, but 3 of the top 4 haven't yet...
Maybe we use this as a thread for tracking / linking to news on where things stand with our picks? The following isn't just for Oakland draft picks, but I thought it was helpful (courtesy of baseballdraftreport.com)
http://baseballdraftreport.com/2009/06/11/2009-mlb-signings/
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another update link - Baseball America
The initial link I posted wasn’t very helpful – sorry. Here’s an updated list from BA:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2009/268711.html
Looks like Dyson’s expected to return to school; also read that Green / A’s are a ways apart…Hopefully this gets wrapped up.
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
Looks like Green is right in the middle of a cluster of unsigned picks
Rd Pick
1 9 Tigers Jacob Turner, rhp Seeking multimillion-dollar deal
1 11 Rockies Tyler Matzek, lhp Seeking multimillion-dollar deal
1 12 Royals Aaron Crow, rhp Seeking multimillion-dollar deal
1 13 Athletics Grant Green, ss Seeking multimillion-dollar bonus
1 14 Rangers Matt Purke, lhp Seeking multimillion-dollar deal
1 15 Indians Alex White, rhp Seeking multimillion-dollar bonus
Maybe the deals will kind of all come together once one of those guys signs.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
San Diego just gave Tate 6 million, so I'm sure that's not helping the asking price any.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 16, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but he was the number 3 pick which has something to do with it, plus the whole football thing
I bet that Matzek doesn’t sign. Green wil,l Purke will, White will, Turner might not.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea but last year the #1 pick went for 6.5 so you'd have to think it will have sine effect.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
sine effect
like sin (x) ?
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll have to argue again.
The sine effect is nothing at all like sin (x), and much for like the square root of 1-cos^2(x).
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate maths
and have no idea what you’re talking about.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you, some kind of limey?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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No but I watch the IT Crowd
So I think that qualifies me to use Maths!
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a joke.
The square root of 1-cos^2 (x) is sin (x).
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
lol i think i remember that now!
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't feel bad.
I had to Google the proof to get it right.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Ian Krol is the guy I'm really hoping for
HS catchers are sketchy fellows, so I view Stassi as a bit of a lottery ticket, and if Green doesn’t sign, the A’s will at least get the pick back next year (in what’s supposedly a very deep draft class). Krol’s drawn Brett Anderson comparisons… as far as I’m concerned, you can never have too many prospects who are like Brett Anderson…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Hes got less stuff, but apparently the A's are still negotiating
I don’t really get if the A’s are offering him 3rd round money why he would risk it but who knows what they are actually offering and the psychology of a player in contract negotiations like this is always interesting.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, when Brett Anderson was 18 he threw 89 - 91.
So Krol may have less stuff now, but there is a lot of uncertanty in how highschool pitching prospects will develop.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 16, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but it is rare to see 89-91 go up to 94-95 touching 97 in three years
especially since both Krol and Anderson are said to not have a ton of projection left in their body.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea but I like to argue so I'm going to disagree with you for no disernable reason.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I liking argument as well, find your reason discernible and reasonable
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
To me, Stassi's most important
I LOVED the Grant Green pick, don’t get me wrong. But Stassi is a legitimate late 1st or early 2nd rounder. Krol isn’t. And you’ve touched on the issue why Green is less of a necessity: no compensation.
And you want to argue that HS catchers are crapshoots? What about non 1st round HS pitchers?
That said, Green, Stassi, and Krol are all VITAL signs. I’m a big fan of a lot of the current KCC guys, but even I can’t argue that the A’s lower minors are deeply lacking.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I think you inverted your players
you’ve touched on the issue why Green is less of a necessity: no compensation.
That should be that if Stassi doesn’t sign he doesn’t get signed the A’s don’t receive compensation whereas if Green doesn’t sign, the A’s do.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
For someone who claims to not understand math, you sure talk about a lot of mathmatical consepts like inversion.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
my favorite maths concept is permutation
but thats just because it was coopted by the debate community
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Green
It will be a last minute deal I expect it will be between 3 and 4 million bonus. Green knows he has a shot to be on a young team with a need for a SS so there should be no way he passes up that for another year in college.
I think its going to be $4.1m
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it will be $3.5m
But if we are playing the price is right then I will say $4,099,999.99
Clearly you need to watch more day-time tv, cause
that’s a horrible PIR strategy.
Sorry - having a job does get in the way of these sort of things!
I take it it is closest guess without going over then?
In that case I will bet 1 dollar and 1 cent
sounds like it will go to the wire
Slusser reporting that
Assistant GM David Forst said, “the deadline will impart some urgency for both sides. … We’re optimistic.”
This is what happens when you start televising the draft...
Everybody thinks that this increased notoriety makes them so much more valuable than they are, even though they are far from guaranteed to become major leaguers. Put the draft back in the dungeon, educate them on the art of a wooden bat, and let the cream rise to the top.
I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?
question for the speculators:
with all the talk of how the draft could change when the CBA runs up (2 years from now is it?), what will signing be like the year before that? Will all the negotiating power already be with the teams at that point, assuming draftees are afraid of being locked into whatever system MLB comes up with?
Save Rajai Davis
Last time they eliminated draft and follow players
This time I believe that they will consider instituting the trading of draft picks and a hard slotting system. I think that the owners might resist trading of draft picks as there are concerns that it would allow players to have more leverage and that it would encourage teams to trade real players for even bigger crapshoots than prospects. That being said I think that the ability to trade draft picks will be a good one since with so much variance draft board often don’t line up and for example if the A’s wanted to take Scheppers or Borchering but didn’t think he was 13th pick valuable they could have traded down to late middle of the first or the second round and gotten the guy they (in this example) really wanted and got something of value for doing so. Looking at the draft this year there were a lot of picks that would have been over drafts for the A’s at 13 that I liked better than other players who were being mentioned as #13 picks. The hard slotting system makes sense because there isn’t a reason if you are going to have a draft that you should let the players determine what teams are able to pick them because of price. This would also lead to fewer deadline deals and more first year development time for draft picks rather than just now getting signed and then having the minor league season end in like three weeks. The players union will fight a hard slotting system tooth and nail.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Still should have taken Scheppers :(
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Well the whole he still has a partially torn labrum thing was discouraging people from taking him
but the dude throws 98 even with it so who knows.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you explain why the players union would fight a hard slotting system?
Because on the surface it seems to me that they would be fighting for people who may never even be members of their union to receive big payouts (recent draftees who currently are not in the union). Wouldn’t this money then be unavailable for guys that are free agents (guys that are actually in the union)? I mean the superstars will get their big paydays, but the middle of the road free agents could be potentially helped by a slotting system, with more available cash for salaries. So why should the union fight this?
Interesting
your argument is plausible if those who are drafted don’t immediately become members of the union upon signing, which im still trying to figure out if that is true.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought union membership came once you were part of the major leauges
AFAIK, there is no union for the minors.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
This is what I thought as well
which is why I never really understood why something that should, theoritically, be supported by both the owners and the players union is not getting done.
If youre on the 40man youre in the union i think. Even if youre in the minors.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always wondered why this is
Why don’t minor leaguers form their own union? Lord knows, they need the representation more than the major leaguers do…
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I second this.
I’ve always wondered about this as well. Less money spent on a draft = more money for free agents. I guess it’s the players union way of compensating for the relatively low pay at the minor league levels. If it was like the NHL or NFL and players went directly to the big leagues, perhaps signing bonuses would be smaller as players would be making 400k per year immediately.
by JustinIcon19 on Aug 17, 2009 11:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
minor leaguers are not part of the Union
I think MLBPA’s steadfast opposition with hard slotting of draft picks is that it appears (to them) to be a step in the direction of a salary cap or “max individual salary” restrictions for players at the major league level. MLBPA doesn’t like the precedent it would set.
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by notsellingjeans on Aug 17, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
There we go... that makes a ton and half of sense.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
To trade draft picks they'll have to get rid of the compensation system.
Right now, because draft picks are tied to type A and B free agents, the players union moronically has a say over the draft, and wont allow draft trading or assigned bonuses.
For some retarded reason that only makes sense in baseball land, in order to institute draft slot trading and a hard cap on signing bonuses you would first have to get rid of the compensation system. This is why Selig has been slowly weakening it over the last ten years or so. There were a lot of reports 5 years or so ago during contract negotiation that they had actually gotten rid of the compensation system, but some deal was made at the last moment to keep it in place. (Likely by the players union.)
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
They could just do slotting by pick number rather than round.
Which would allow you to avoid having to do away with the compensation system.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing with Green
is didn’t the A’s pretty much know this was going to happen all along? They should’ve knows that by drafting a Scott Boras client, the process was going to get dragged out until the last possible moment, and that Boras would’ve fought for every nickel. Seems like it’s all part of drafting a Boras client, if you ask me.
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Pretty much.
There really needs to be a hard slotting system in place, especially if the commish is going to talk about slot bonuses publicly.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I think that
Stassi and Green have to be signed. Stassi is just an all around stud. Give him a few years to call his own games in the farm club and by the time he’s 21 or 22 he’ll be ready for the bigs. Hopefully he signs.
Callis says $1.5M
Callis just posted at the BA raft blog that Stassi signed for $1.5M, just what it was reported he was looking for on the second day of the draft.
So in the end it's right about where everyone expected it to be.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Team America! F yeah! WOOT WOOT!
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure makes you wonder why it took two and a half months to get it done, doesn't it?
They should move the deadline up again, to like the end of June. As it is, it’s just a lot of players sitting around on their asses all summer for no obvious reason.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I was just thinking that but..
doesn’t that screw up the Cape Cod league and the other summer leagues where teams go to watch players like Dusty Coleman and see how far over slot they want to go?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They already "screwed up" draft-and-follows
The impact of ending summer-league follows would be quite minimal by comparison.
Personally, I’d like to see the entire system scrapped and replaced by the NHL system, but that’s another story.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Im not up on the NHL whats their draft like?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
All players are drafted at (I think) 18 years old
Team retains their rights from there on out— regardless of whether they sign a pro contract or not. It’s routine for players to play NCAA hockey (or Canadian major junior hockey) for 3 or 4 seasons before turning pro.
Basically, it eliminates the incentive for these stupid holdouts.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Isn't that like the reserve clause to a certain extent?
would that fit with established baseball labor law?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, there is no "established law"
The established law in labor relations cases is that collective bargaining agreements trump pretty much everything else. So if it’s collectively bargained, there shouldn’t be any legal issues.
The players would have to sign off on it, but the owners could make concessions elsewhere to compensate (like raising the minimum salary, which would have the added bonus of forcing the Jeffrey Lorias of the world to actually spend some of their revenue sharing money).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Players can still hold out with respect to the fact that they can demand a bigger contract not to go to college.
But it’s exponentially less leverage.
Also, at 3 or so years, other teams can make “offers” to arby elegible players, with the catch 22 that they could loose multiple high round picks if the player accepts. The origional owner of said players rights also has the oppertunity to match the offer and keep the player.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You're referring to restricted free agency in the second paragraph, right?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Si
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 17, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They Rays fail to sign their first two picks
from Kevin Goldstein’s Twitter
Suddenly hearing legitimate concerns FROM teams and agents about some of these Top 15 guys getting done. Is this the year? #mlbdraft
This could get very interesting if players like Purke Turner Matzek don’t sign. The 2012 draft class could be scary good for college pitching.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
Latest tweet from Goldstein
“Suddenly hearing legitimate concerns FROM teams and agents about some of these Top 15 guys getting done. Is this the year? #mlbdraft”
Could be one of many. Hopefully not Green but is still a bit concerning.
So...Didn't Ynoa get a 4 million Bonus?
It is interesting to determine what a drafted player’s worth really is. To determine Green’ s worth as a 1st round player vs a 17 yr old pitching phenom (now with tendinitis if I remember correctly) who was signed outside of the draft. Do we have any sense whether or not the $$ invested is well spent ?Instead of doing a larger analysis, let’s just focus on the A’s experience.
Back in the 80’ s Juan Marichal was our point man for developing latin players and we did a decent job of it for a few years. Tejada was the prize of the bunch. A few other players came through and had decent careers in MLB.
Grant Green has had a chance to develop his baseball skills under a top program and to physically mature over that time period to the point that we may be able to predict, interpolate or correlate (take your pick) what his relative value is.
Ynoa, as far as I know, has tremendous “potential” to go along with a physic that is beyond most pitchers that we see. But he’s 17! He was paid because of this potential but what risk factors go into his signing vs lets say Tejada’s development within the A’s latin American camp which saw him here at a relatively early age. Will Ynoa be another Doc Gooden, who dominated MLB at an extremely young age? I just have my doubts, especially if his arm is already showing fatigue.
Grant on the other hand may have a more predictable destiny and I think IS worth a multimillion dollar bonus, given his agent and the other signing bonuses simply because for our team it is a position of need and he has a skill set that others in this draft didn’t compare with as well.
Stassi, lastly, is also a better risk because he is young enough that he may groomed at one of the corner infield spots as well. His bat will probably be the biggest reason he makes it to the Bigs and , once again the injury history as far I know is not significant.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
One caveat
It is interesting to determine what a drafted player’s worth really is. To determine Green’ s worth as a 1st round player vs a 17 yr old pitching phenom (now with tendinitis if I remember correctly) who was signed outside of the draft. Do we have any sense whether or not the $$ invested is well spent ?Instead of doing a larger analysis, let’s just focus on the A’s experience.
Ynoa’s value is higher because we didn’t have to spend a draft pick to get him.
I Suppose
We didn’t have to spend a high draft pick, which is where he would have been, but he’s still an expensive investment with no guarantee.
Compare that with the cost of Brett Anderson or Trevor Cahill for example.
It’s a ton of money up front, but it’s a direction the A’s now feel makes them more competitive on the front end of player acquisition vs the back -end as defined through free agency.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
And he was a free agent
free to sign with any team.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Goldstein Twitter update
“@KelvinWolf Dyson is NOT going to happen, Krol probably not, Green still has a solid chance #athletics.”
We need to get the Green deal done.
Krol would be nice but add Stassi & Green to the players we already signed and this draft is a, “win”. I don’t know if you can say that without Green?
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
Sure you can.
If Green doesn’t sign, we retain the #13 pick in the draft next year. Everything I’ve read or heard about next year says the draft is going to be insanely deep. Especially if Strasburg doesn’t sign, that guarantees that Harper and Strasburg are 1-2 in 2010.
If Krol doesn’t sign, he’s a wasted pick.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Actually, now that I think on it, the difference between 12 and 12a is probably greater than the difference between a 7th rounder and zero
The reason 12a is worse is that it ISN’T backed by a comp pick, so the team has a lot less leverage and might have to take a player who’ll be an “easy sign”.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
agreed, except for one thing. we have solid prospecgts in AA or AAA in every postion other than SS.
I would rather spend the money on Krol and Dyson and get the two top 14 picks next year. but then we have to wait another year for a doing something about a future Short Stop unless we pull another “Holliday”. Otherwise no one’s giving up a really good SS prospect because every team is looking for them.
The A’s winning ways have actually pushed them down to 8th in the draft next year when it was looking like we may have got 2-3rd a few months ago.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
Sure, but I think too many people are expecting Green to be THE SAVIOUR just because he's a 1st round pick SS
Anybody remember the last “sure thing” shortstop who came from SoCal was?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Bush?
"Surely these gents are talking about the dashing rookie campaign of southpaw Jamie Moyer. Now, that cat is on the up and up." JLaff, in 1929.
Everybody knew Matt Bush was a disaster waiting to happen.
But I believe hes’ talking about Crosby.
Eventually, my colleague and I trotted from the two-bit seats to the three-bit seats to get a closer view of the action. - Jlaff on Turn Back the Clock Day
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
How could I forget?
Although I actually kinda like Bobby.
"Surely these gents are talking about the dashing rookie campaign of southpaw Jamie Moyer. Now, that cat is on the up and up." JLaff, in 1929.
That's not true
He was a known overdraft, but everyone thought he was a first-rounder talent-wise (just more like 15th than 1st overall). Nobody at that point realized he was a psychopath…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Goldstein's saying
If he had to handicap it, he’d say odds of signing Green sit at 75%.
by mk on Aug 17, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The A's get Krol!
Kevin Goldstein:
#A’s have singed RHP Ian Krol — I’m kinda surprised by that one.
Eventually, my colleague and I trotted from the two-bit seats to the three-bit seats to get a closer view of the action. - Jlaff on Turn Back the Clock Day
by designatedforassignment on Aug 17, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions
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