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Three must have veterans......

Ok folks, Los Atleticos are playing great baseball that is fun to watch, and considering the A's are going nowhere this season regardless of how they play the rest of the way, I thought it would be fun to think a little more about 2010. Next year is still very much a transition year on the way to 2011, when many a great prospect is slated to arrive, but the way the A's are playing recently there seems to be hope for a very fun and competitive 2010.  After all, the young starters will have a year under their belt, and good starting pitching can make any team competitive. However, its still important to recognize that the A's will be EVEN YOUNGER next season, and as a result, Billy needs to keep/acquire some good veteran talent to provide leadership and direction to the youngsters.

On the pitching side, Zarro seems to be coming out of his recent funk (three runs isn't a big inning, right?) with two straight wins aided by good run support, Anderson (Fee Fii Fo Fum) is looking more and more like the real deal #1 Ace of the future since the 2 hitter in Boston, Cahill finally got through a start without giving up a home run, and Gio has been down right filthy his last 4 starts.  Truly, for the first time it appears ALL four are settling in, making adjustments, and learning how to pitch at the major league level.

On the hitting/fielding side, I think its safe to say BoCro and Nomah will not be back, if they even make it to the end of the season. (Doubt it...) Also, it is likely Wallace will start next season in the bigs, and will be given a legit chance to stick at 3rd. (Remember Chavy was terrible defensively early on, so don't write the kid off at 3rd.)  Pennington is proving a capable stopgap at SS until Ladendorf or Green (sign please) are ready, Ellis will be back at 2nd, and Tommy Time, given his great/unexpected play and local kid appeal, will most likely be playing 1st.  Cust of course will remain at DH, absurdly playing the occasional right field.

Speaking of the outfield, it appears as though Hairston will play LF, Rajai with his amazing recent run will play CF, and Sweeney (despite constant hate from many at AN) will play RF.  Cunningham and (hopefully) Buck will get their shot at the 4th outfielder spot.

Truly, with the exception of Ellis and a couple vets in the Pen, this team will basically be a bunch of kids screaming for veteran guidance and leadership.  No, Cust and Raj don't count, even if they are approaching 30. As a result, the A's need to re/sign three key veterans.

First, AK has proven himself a leader and a damn good utility player that can play everyday if injuries take their toll. (as they always seem to do with the A's) He can play 3B/2B/1B very well, and even play a respectable SS in an emergency spot start.  Second, the A's should resign Duke.  Coming off yet another injury, he will be a relatively/comparatively inexpensive option given his All-Star skill level when healthy.  Duke would push Braden from the rotation into the Pen as the long man/spot starter.  Sure, Braden is serviceable as a 5th starter.  Much like a Jaime Moyer, a decent lefty can always find a place somewhere as a 5th guy, but he would be fantastic out of the pen. Duke is just better when healthy and would provide key All-Star leadership to the youngest rotation in the league.  Besides, Braden will most likely get a spot in the rotation at some point, as it would be a minor miracle for the A's rotation to make it through a season unscathed.

Lastly, the A's should acquire one more veteran utility infielder that can play SS. I believe this veteran should be a right handed bat to offset Pennington, and because AK would be playing the lefty role off the bench.  Some of you will say Billy should go after O-Cab, and I would not be against that if he were willing to come off the bench in a utility role.  I do not imagine O-Cab allowing that to happen, and as a result he is not the answer.

Instead, I am calling on Billy to take one of two alternative options.  First, and my favorite option, would be to re-aquire Marco Scutaro.  He will be 35, and I think it would be great to get him back in Oakland where he can rekindle the late inning magic he is so famous for.  The other option, dare I say it, is El Guapo Omar Visquel.  I have always loved the guy, and I would love to see him in green and gold.  Either way the youngest team in the league would have all the veteran leadership and guidance they need.

OakFoSho

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Um... okay, I'll bite.

First — there’s zero chace that Dallas Braden would be the odd man out if Duchscherer were to sign an extension. Braden and Anderson are probably the only two absolute locks to be in the 2010 rotation. Assuming Gio Gonzalez continues to blossom and his last handful of starts isn’t just a hot month, you can probably pencil him in for a slot.

That leaves Cahill and Mazzaro, along with Duke to battle it out for 2 rotation spots. Is there a chance that one of the young starters is returned to Sacramento to start 2010? Sure, maybe Cahill goes back until Duke gets hurt again, and his year of service time is saved. The bottom line, though, is Duke will get hurt again, and counting on him for a full season as a starter is a huge mistake considering he’s never pitched for a full season before.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and I'd be willing to bet that Scutaro's fluke season will price himself well out of what the A's would (and should) be willing to pay him.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, hello, Mr. Grumpy Pants!

Twitter went down today--if only there were some short, shallow, self-indulgent way to express my horror.-Stephen Colbert

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 13, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but you can count me out of the Scutaro lovefest. It's not happening.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In reality.......

Scutaro, O-Cab, and Green are all options and just a good start to the convo. Heck AK might be playing himself out of an A’s uni too. Its too early to say, but the speculation is fun as its a role that could be filled by a number of guys that are gonna be FAs. I would love Visquel, he has class written all over him. He is great for the game and a young, rather, the youngest team in the bigs could use his veteran presence.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be surprised if Vizquel doesn't retire.

The rest of those guys… well… aren’t very good.

Like I said — Scutaro is having a fluke season, and neither O-Cab or Greene are that much better than Pennington anyway.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol......

O-Cab is on a 20+ game hitting streak, and will finish the season .300+ average. Scutaro is a fantastic player off the bench in a utility role. Mariano could tell you that, in fact, so could a lot of guys. Green would be worth a shot in a inexpensive utility role off the bench.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Scutaro want to be a backup utility infielder after this season?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course.......

if any of these guys can start somewhere they will over playing a utility role in Oakland thats why I mentioned several people and also previously stated it was just to get the convo started. Mission accomplished I think.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scoot will resign with TOR

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Aug 13, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea I think your right......

but its fun to dream. I miss being in the middle of thousands of people screaming “MARCO” bang bang “SCUTARO” bang bang. The Spiderman Double is still one of my favorite all time A’s moments.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was awesome. I was there.

That doesn’t make him any better than he really is though.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think he's a capable utility guy?

cause thats all Im asking for.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He absolutely is,

he’s probably a capable starter. He’s just gonna be asking way more money than Oakland can offer.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 15, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or he'll sign with Boston, who have a gaping hole at SS

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Aug 13, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I expect our opening day lineup next year to look something like:

3B Adam Kennedy
CF Rajai Davis
LF Scott Hairston
DH Jack Cust
C Kurt Suzuki
1B Tommy Everidge
RF Ryan Sweeney
2B Mark Ellis
SS Cliff Pennington

Wait, you’ve seen this before? Aww……….

Wallace isn’t doing much in AAA. I’d like to see him start next year in AAA, especially since he doesn’t have to be added to the 40-man roster yet. I wish Aaron Cunningham would get a shot to start, but I don’t see it happening. The love for our mediocre outfield is ridiculous. Rajai is playing well, but is this his new performance level, or is he just hot right now? People were calling for his head in May. Sweeney goes through spurts, but he’s an ideal fourth OF. Hairston has been disappointing, but I think it’s partly due to adjusting to the new league. He’s not a great option, but I could see him putting up .280 with 20 HR in a full season. If I were running the team, the lineup next year would look like:

DH Jack Cust
C Kurt Suzuki
CF Scott Hairston
RF Jermaine Dye
3B Joe Crede
1B Tommy Everidge
LF Aaron Cunningham
2B Mark Ellis
SS Cliff Pennington

Yes, it’s a lot of right-handed bats, but Dye seems like he’d be a good fit. So would Bobby Abreu. Cunningham/Hairston/Free Agent seems like a good outfield, with Davis and Sweeney both coming off the bench. I’m not a big fan of our 3B options, honestly. We’re still a ways away from being good.

OrtizItThisOne: In the name of baseball! /does steroids

by Player To Be Named Later on Aug 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Lets get the Band Back Together"

Bring back Giambi….ahh I mean Tejada….

Boy did that work out! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

by ryanmoser on Aug 13, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the A's have too many OF prospects to acquire.......

a FA in that area. You want the talent to come through in the next year and a half and not be blocked by veteran bats not key to the future. Remember, this is all about 2011.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally......

I wish Cust would not be given arb after the season, giving the DH role to Everidge and putting Barton at 1B for a whole season as a last real chance to perform. If he then does perform well he can be traded when Carter is ready for the bigs or platoon with Everidge at the DH.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everidge hasn't shown me much that would convince me the A's should hand him a startin job next year.

He does deserve some at bats though.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 13, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honest question

Who would you put in Everidge’s place? Barton? Talk about not showing much.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 14, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but Barton was a legit prospect and has actually had a good minor league career for more than one season. So ya, either Barton at first and Cust at DH or some FA.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not let them both play.....

and give Cust the boot, waiver, release, whatever. Cust is not going to be a crucial part of the future, so might as well cut the umbilical now, and let two kids that might have a legit full year in 2010 to prove it.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have an issue with simply cutting a player with a career OPS of 820.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 15, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cust is the only guy on the team with any power

he’ll be back

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 14, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

untill some point in 2011 when......

Carter arrives. If all goes to plan, by that point Wallace 3B, Carter 1B, and Everige DH will have put Cust out, or at least to the bench.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braden out of the rotation?

Huh? He’s been the most consistent starter on the team. Marco is going to want starters money and a starting spot and I don’t think the A’s will offer either. I’m all for bringing in some veteran guys but how about someone who can hit for some power.

by sirbed on Aug 13, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate the fact that Cunningham

basically got called up as a 4th OF. He has torn up the minor leagues each and every year, playing young at each level. If he’s not starting in Oakland, managment needs to get it together and let him get his AB’s in AAA. Cunningham should not be sitting on the bench at any level, period. He needs to be given a starting spot over and extended period of time. He’s got more upside then Sweeney and Raj, and i’m not so sure he won’t have a better career then Hairston as well. The performance has been there, so he deserves a real shot. I would like to see the A’s sign a FA veteran starter and OF this offseason. Buck is obviously on the shit list, Raj is playing over his head, and Sweeney is a 4th OF/platoon player. Sign a veteran performer to go along with Hairston and Cunningham and I think we have a pretty solid outfield in 2010.

by JPShark on Aug 13, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again......

a veteran OF would block the progress of talent in the system. NEGATIVE ghost rider, the pattern is full.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A veteran OF on a 1-2 year deal

wouldn’t be blocking much. The only prospect we have that should be ready at the start of 2010 is Cunningham, which is why I included him in the 2010 OF. Sweeney really is a 4th OF unless that power develops, Buck doesn’t seem to be a huge part of future plans and at the AAA level there really isn’t anyone (aside from and injured Doolittle) who has a solid future for the A’s. Guys like Spencer, Doolittle and Carter who might have futures in the OF are no lock for the team next year. Carter will be here as a sept. call-up at the earliest, and both Doolittle and Spencer are likely at least a year away. Same goes for Shane Peterson. Now, if your talking a.bout blocking guys from promotions to the next level I can understand. However, the A’s could easily move some surplus, non-prospect OF’rs to make room along the way. My point is there is defintely some room for improvement in the A’s outfield without blocking any of our top guys.

by JPShark on Aug 13, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's blocking development time

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 14, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Sweeney needs RF and RF needs Sweeney. He hits for good average, and will hit 10-15 HRs next year. Will finish this season with 8-12. Hes a 2nd half dude.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney is still 2 years from ......

the start of his prime. His early development was stunted, but his improvement in every area of his game, except power, is evident. I believe next season his power will come through.

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by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I continue to be mystified as to how anyone who's ever watched him could expect Ryan Sweeney to hit for power

Even someone as mechanically inept as I am can see that his swing is about the most inefficient power-generating tool this side of a carpenter’s bench.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Aug 15, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Kennedy:

If he is with the A’s next year he needs to be strictly a utility player, but I have a feeling he’ll opt to start at 2B somewhere else, and with the year he is having, he will probably get the chance.

I am okay with the idea someone posed earlier of guaranteeing him the starting 3B until Wallace is ready, but after that he needs to be a utility player, IMO. He is not as good as he is playing and will only disappoint if he stays a starter all next year. There’s a reason the Cards cut him, and the Rays gave him to Oakland. Hopefully the F.O. doesn’t forget that.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely......

ak IS the perfect utility veteran for this team, but negative on starting 3B. Wallace needs to start the season in Oakland and take his lumps if necessary.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you just going to take it on faith that AK can play SS?

He has played 2 innings at SS in his entire major-league career. If he were capable of playing SS, why hasn’t he ever played there?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What dont you get about the word EMERGENCY?

I think its pretty clear that deviod of any other option he could play a game or a few innings there a couple times a season. Notice how I specifically asked for a second vet utility guy, RHB, that can play SS. I understand AK would not be ideal at all, but that what the word EMERGENCY is for.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said you wanted to start a conversation, 0akFoSho

So you invite that and then respond to a question like an obnoxious 9-year-old?

No thanks.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off.....

This is the second time I have had the AK debate with you. You knew what I meant, and you were just being confrontational with a question you already knew the answer to. Hence the sarcastic response. You can cop out with that ‘obnoxious 9-year-old’ comment if you want, but sarcasm is what life is all about. You shouldnt take what is written on a blog so personally. I just like to have fun with good debate.

Like my momma, and a million other mommas have said, “If you cant take the heat, get out the kitchen!”

OakFoSho

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 13, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

This is getting awesome.

But in all seriousness, I think I should be the emergency shortstop. That’d be pretty fucking rad. I only have two innings less experience than AK, too!

"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith

by Boonee on Aug 13, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good, but......

Lew wants to know if you will work for peanuts. He’s a cheap bastard and if he’s gonna just throw you the reigns off the street, he sure as heck dont want to pay for it. He likes the gimmick though. Any thing to put people in the seats after he trashed the fan base.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm is what life is all about?

I’m new to this argument but if that is true my life is wayyyy off track.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Aug 14, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its cool........

Im sure I would feel the same way……If I was you…….and you were me……..and me (you) was arguing you (actually me) for less sarcasm being what life’s all about…..errrrrr…….yea………..I think……

ROFL!

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scutaro is going to get MASSIVELY overpaid.

Career years FTW.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Aug 13, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea.......

I was probably dreaming with my Scuts wish…..

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy

For what it’s worth, Kennedy has said he really enjoys it in Oakland and was very open to returning next season. Whether that means the A’s want him back is something we’ll all have to wait and see.

I don’t really see a reason to acquire a veteran starting pitcher. Everyone’s pretty much in agreement that we probably won’t compete next year so why not leave the guys in the rotation who are there now and let them get even more experienced for when the team is ready to compete?

Duke is not going to sign anywhere for chump change. He’s an All-Star reliever and starter and is probably looking at a salary at the very least equaling this year’s and there’s no point in paying him that sort of money to rot on the DL all year.

I don’t see the need to go for anybody in FA this year other than Kennedy. Let him play 3B for the first half, leave Wallace in AAA, and give Buck AND Cunningham starting jobs in the OF in Oakland and LEAVE THEM THERE. Let Sweeney and Davis ride the pine or trade them while their values are high-ish.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 14, 2009 2:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney = Future = PERIOD!!

Everyone on this blog needs to quit hating. Power is developed over a half decade in most cases, (PREE STEROIDS!!) and folks need to look at the dramatic improvement in all aspects of his game (average, glove, assists, base running) and accept that in a POST STEROID ERA kids power will take YEARS to fully develop.

S&BP > Mile High Mules

by 0akFoSho on Aug 14, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

No it won’t. He has never hit for power and very likely will never develop power. Christ Carter has power. Brett Wallace has power. Adrian Cardenas has power. Those kids have already developed power and Sweeney hasn’t.

And if you’re going to use batting average as one of your main points then you won’t find a lot of people who will take you seriously.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 15, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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