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Thursday Tidbits with Taj

Wow...it's truly a wonder what a week or two of "not-awful" baseball will do for my energy level and willingness to share my thoughts with AN. A few weeks ago, even if I had something remotely interesting to say, I'd just say "Eff it, this team is going to suck no matter what I say..." But anyways, here's a few things that have been on my mind:

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1. Major League Manager, Minor League Expectations

I've been as hard on Geren (and the decision to hire him/extend him from the front office) as anybody on AN. I still think he's a poor manager/leader, but it's interesting how the team's recent improved play has somewhat lessened my overall dislike of the man. Ever since the organization's priority has changed from "Let's win now with this collection of vets that'll hopefully hit enough to make up for our incredibly inconsistent, young rotation," to a now, "Let's not put such a premium on winning, but rather just give some young guys a shot to prove what they can do," Geren has looked somewhat capable as a manager - his bullpen management in particular the past few games has been pretty good and he even showed some emotion with that blown call on Tuesday night (though he probably should have forced his way out of the game, as a statement to the team).

I think what really exposed Geren as a manager was that he's not cut out to be the manager of a major league team, but he's a pretty good minor league manager. While a major league manager needs experience to know how to handle a million different situations a million different ways, and needs a subtlety to eek out production from aging vets, while also showing a little fire, emotion and even anger around young guys to keep them focused; a minor league manager just fills out the lineup card, makes sure each guy gets his work in and keeps his players upbeat by patting them on the back no matter what the outcome is.

Geren is a perfect minor league manager, no question about it. He even gets paid on a scale as if he's a minor league manager. Now that he's "captaining" a mostly-minor league-level team, he suddenly looks capable...it all makes sense to me! Earlier this season, when he had to deal with actual "expectations", he didn't look too good. But now, he even seems like a - dare I say - decent fit for this team this year and into 2010? Now that the team is back to running with the young guys without a real urgency to win, why not just run Bobby out there again to manage the Oakland Rivercats in 2010? At least he won't hurt anyway's feelings...I just hope that by the time this team has even a chance of reaching the post-season (say, 2011, when Bob's contract ends) this organization will commit to an actual major league manager who can guide this team to sustained victory, not just happy thoughts in the clubhouse.

2. The Cust Conundrum

From the "Scouts’ views on various major league players" section of John Perrotto's "On the Beat" column over at BP:

Athletics designated hitter Jack Cust: "The league has figured him out and he can’t adjust back. He had a nice little run last year, but he is what is and that’s a Quad-A player."

I'm as big of a fan of Jack Cust as anybody out there. But I have to admit he just hasn't looked the same this season as he did last year and especially how he did in his breathrough 2007 campaign. Maybe it's the whole "strikeout less, make more contact" approach this season that is killing him, or maybe it's a hidden injury. Yet, he's not really striking out all that much less as he has in previous seasons...he's K-ing about 7% less than he did the last two years. At the same time, his average is in freefall, along with his slugging percentage. In all, his OPS has trended down for all three seasons he's been a regular in the big leagues. Do I really think that he's a .731 OPS hitter (2009)? No, I do not. But I also don't believe that he's a .912 OPS hitter (2007) or even an .851 OPS hitter (2008) at this point. Maybe he just can't adjust to what people are throwing him these days. Maybe he's just become a little younger and maybe a little more powerful image of Giambi circa a few weeks ago: a guy that takes his walks and hits a few homers, but someone without any defensive value who cannot make enough consistent contact to justify an everyday job.

I'm thinking about 2010 here. Cust will eligible for arbitration for the second time this off-season, and will likely get a very modest raise to something around $3 million (he made $2.8 million this season). Is Jack worth that much? On a rebuilding team? To THIS rebuilding team? He might be the only true power threat this team has under control at this point, but he might not even get to 20 homers this season...would the 2010 team be better served giving DH at-bats to a collection of young hitters who need the seasoning (Everidge, Barton, Buck - maybe even Wallace and Carter later in the year)? If Chavez can become healthy enough to take semi-consistent at-bats, does the team just go with him as the everyday DH?

And what do you do from there? Do you try to trade Cust, coming down from a career-worst year? Do you non-tender him, see if he'll take a pay-cut and stay with the team? Or am I thinking too much, and will/should the team just re-up him for 3-mill next season? If the team does keep him, I would hope that he is put into the 2-hole in the lineup...with Rajai/Patterson in front of him, you'd get a guy who naturally takes a lot of pitches hitting behind two guys that can basically steal a base at-will...I think that's a better lineup strategy than "Cust is the only guy that can hit 30 homers, so let's just put him in the clean-up spot because we have to."

3. Kennedy for (clubhouse) Prez in 2010!

I'm really enjoying watching Adam Kennedy play this season. I think he's the perfect fit for this team. He's just like a left-handed version of Mark Ellis...can do a little of everything (especially the fundamentals), plays solid defense, is a team-first guy and is even-keeled and seemingly supportive of the young guys. I've already made my plea to have him back next season...but it's been pointed out that he'll probably want some decent coin and a starting gig after the year he's having so far. I might agree with that, I can certainly understand that from Adam's perspective. But if you were the A's front office, what would you think is a fair-value offer for him? He's making $4 million this season (from the contract he signed with the Cards a few years back before they cut him). Would he really take a 50% pay-cut to $2 million on a 1-year deal? Maybe $3 million for a year and on option? With a lot of payroll flexibility next season, can the team even really consider bringing him back?

I think the team could offer him at least a partial guarantee of a starting gig...I do not think Brett Wallace will begin the year as Oakland's starting 3rd baseman. Kennedy could start the year out as the starting 3rd baseman, and then transition to a utility role once Wallace looks truly ready to be an impact hitter in the big leagues. I'm hopeful that some sort of understanding can be made to keep Kennedy around next season.

4. Where can this team improve on in the off-season?

I found Billy Beane's Brain's recent diary "Are these the A's of 2010?" simply fascinating. If you look around the diamond, the rotation and in the outfield and in the bullpen, it certainly looks like the team has every position covered going into 2010 with a young, somewhat promising prospect or prospectS, and/or a solid vet. I think it would be nice to sign a veteran pitcher for some depth in the rotation (Hudson or Mulder if healthy would both be intriguing) or maybe Doug Davis or even Carl Pavano for a very low base deal. But beyond that, I just don't see a real obvious place where a free agent or even a trade would work for this team, especially if Chavez can do any sort of sustained baseball activity and/or Cust is retained. For the first time in a long time, it could be a very boring off-season for us A's fans.

4. Get the Draft Picks Signed!

Well, Beane is "optimistic" that the team will sign Grant Green before Tuesday's deadline and Max Stassi is "leaning" towards signing with the A's and foregoing UCLA...but nothing in this business is for sure until the ink is dry on the contract. I'm not necessarily concerned about the negotiations at this point...I think both contracts will get done. However, I'll still let it be known that if these two guys don't get signed for whatever reason (or even just one or the other doesn't), I'll be pretty frustrated. The team didn't have a 2nd rounder this season and had only one pick in the 1st round and hasn't gone overslot in any of their other signings up to this point AND has shed $5+ million from the major league player payroll...I know that the team is theoritically losing money this season, but with all that perceived flexibility, it will be a real blunder in my opinion if Green and/or Stassi don't sign simply over a matter of a few hundred thousand dollars or so.

5. The Shortstop Situation

Cliff Pennington's having a nice little "coming out party" of sorts so far after being gifted the starting shortstop gig a week or so ago...but does anyone think that he'll sustain a .359 BABIP and a 27% line-drive percentage? Based on his extensive minor league history, I don't think so. I do think, however, that his defense has become major league quality...maybe not game-changing, but he's at least an average MLB defender at this point. His quickness is an asset at this point in his career both on the basepaths and in the field. I've been one of the most vehement supporters of trying to trade for JJ Hardy, but even with the latest roster shuffling in Brewtown, I don't think that Hardy will just be given away by Milwaukee. And I don't think that any type of Duke-for-Hardy swap could possibly go down at this point, given the waiver issue. In the off-season things would obviously be easier...but at that point, what would Milwaukee be asking for and what would the A's be ready/willing to give? Hardy, for likely only 1-year, is not worth any of the MAC or Braden or Gio, and I can't really see the Brewers being jazzed by a package fronted by Eveland or Mortensen or even Simmons. And in any case, even if a package could be agreed upon, would Hardy (with his semblance of power and defense be a big-enough upgrade over Pennington to be worth the money and the prospects involved?) I don't know, but it seems like if Pennington can just play good defense and get on-base a bit and steal a few bags, he'll be the A's starting shortstop for the foreseeable future, for better or for worse.

6. The Duke Conundrum

If Duke comes back next Tuesday and then again 5 days after that, and resembles the Duke of old, do the A's pass him through waivers and then just dump him on the team that claims him? Sure, it would save the team some cash over the next month and a half or so, and Duke could go down at any point in the coming weeks, but he's still a pretty solid pitcher when healthy that would be a really nice 6th starter as the innings wind-down for the young guys. And who knows, if this team keeps winning consectuive series', this team might have a shot to finish around .500 when all is said and done. That would be a remarkable feat, considering this rollercoaster season. Duke could be a big part of that charge. He's currently projected to be a Type-B free agent even without pitching a game this season, so the team could play out the string with him, offer him arb in the off-season and get an extra pick next season when he inevtably sings elsewhere (Slusser mentioned today that he's not coming next season). So, at this point, I say keep the Duke...but then I'll probably look like a fool tomorrow when news comes across the wire stating that he "had a setback in his recovery" and will be shut-down indefinitely.

7. The Kilby Killah!

Come September callup time, I'm really hoping that one Brad Thomas Kilby finally gets his chance to make his major league debut. Ever since coming out of San Jose State in the 29th round of the 2005 draft, Kilby has consistently performed at every level. He's got a career K/9 of 10.2 and a career K/BB ratio of 3.09, which is darn good for a funky lefty. He's also got a rubber arm, averaging 50+ appearances and 60+ innings in each season he's thrown at a full-season affiliate and has never suffered a major injury as a pro. He also doesn't have any glaring platoon split. Here's what Sactown manager Tony Defrancesco had to say about Kilby in a recent interview with Scout.com:

OC: One guy who has had a great year for you out of the bullpen is Brad Kilby. What kind of pitcher is he for you?

TD: He’s been awesome. He’s a guy who is not afraid to throw strikes. He can get lefties and righties out. I think that is his big plus. He’s got a good off-speed and he is sneaky fast. He hides the ball well behind his back. There is no doubt that he is another guy who when September comes is going to get some consideration for a call-up.

I hope he gets more than "some consideration for a callup." The organziation left Brad exposed to the Rule V draft last off-season, and no one took him, so maybe there is some "Scouting" concerns about Brad that don't show up in the box score. Even so, I'd hope that with the way he's throwing this season, he gets rewarded with a callup and a 40-man roster spot. If nothing else, he's a guy that can chew middle relief innings fairly effectively without getting lit-up by opposite-side batters (ahem, Casilla). A relieable arm like that is a fairly valuable commodity, especially with a guy that has a full slate of minor league options...so let's get the NorCal native on the 40-man and in the big leagues in September!

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Great stuff as always, Taj

A couple thoughts in reply…

  • I’m not sure I 100% buy that “rah rah” is the best approach for minor leaguers. I don’t want my minor league manager to “just fill out the lineup card, make sure each guy gets his work in and keep his players upbeat by patting them on the back no matter what the outcome is.” The accountability, fire and intensity, that seemed lacking before is, IMO, as much needed with minor leaguers as anywhere. But your points are still well taken.
  • I think as likely an outcome at 3B as any is that Chavez will start the season there and Wallace will get the call when Chavy breaks down. Chavy is still getting paid $11mil and figures to “feel great” in March and April. Where that leaves Kennedy, I don’t know.
  • It’s always interesting to speculate about guys like Kilby, who don’t get the call despite having the apparent credentials. What is there we’re not seeing? Gotta be something, since Blevins tanked this year and the A’s spent some of the year without a lefty in the pen and most of the season with just one.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You want Chavez to start the year at 3b

as if he can fake it there with a back up for 3 weeks you earn a extra year of team control of Wallace.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez will announce his retirement next March.

by PL78 on Aug 13, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would he do that if he just pretends to keep trying he gets $11m if he retires he gets 0

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Come to this exclusive seminar and find out how wealth can be gained simply by adhering to the old axiom “try, try again”. E. Chavez is penciled in to speak at this engagement!

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on Aug 13, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops -- he had to cancel and reschedule for same time next year

No refund!

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 13, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts I'm going to write so I don't have to work:
  • Cust presents an interesting problem. I think it’s pretty myopic to say that the league has figured him out. And I would be shocked if he didn’t reach at least 20 bombs, seeing as how he’s already got 16. But his struggles this season might justify lower expectations for the future. $3 million is pretty cheap, all things considered, and it’s not as if this team is bursting at the payroll seams. But maybe what you do is cut Cust, put Chavvy at DH, and let Kennedy take over 3rd until Brett Wallace forces his way into the conversation. I’m not a big fan of that proposal. I’d keep Cust and bat him no higher than 6th unless he bounces back.
  • Recent small sample sizes aside, Cliff Pennington to this point has not in any way resembled an offensive force. Haven’t we had a no-hit average defender at short for the last few years? And hasn’t he been hated on pretty consistently by just about everyone here? On a team that generally doesn’t hit for power anyway, it seems to me that Cliff is just another part of the problem rather than a possible solution.
  • It would be really unfortunate to see a 2-time All-Star slip away for nothing. Simply dumping Duke’s salary would disappoint me greatly.

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The main difference

between Money-Penny and the oft-hated Crosbino is their respective contract situations. Other small advantages Pennington has would be speed and a little bit of upside. That being said, I’m sure his numbers will come down and everyone will hate him by mid-season next year

by chipper1001 on Aug 13, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby's numbers

It’s worthwhile to review Crosby’s recent numbers, just to remind ourselves what an incredibly low bar he’s set for SS production.

He hasn’t had an OBA of even .300 since 2005 (he’s been hanging around in the .290s for the last few years).

His SLGs since 2006 have been .338, .341, .349, and this year .368.

So I guess his power numbers are going in the right direction!

If Pennington can have an OBA of .320 and SLG of .360, he’ll be significantly more productive than Crosby’s been since the last few months of 2005. He’s nowhere near as good as he’s playing for the last 2 weeks, but it’s not crazy to anticipate an OBA of .320 (in fact, he could even get up to .340 or .350), and SLG of at least Crosbian standards.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Pennington is capable of going 30/35 in SBs in a full season,

which should not be overlooked — and is something Crosby can’t do.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which wouldn't have mattered before this year,

but now the A’s seem to have more value for the speed/running game, so Pennington definitely has a leg up on Crosby there.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Crosby were a fire hydrant, I'd certainly have a leg up on him.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington is an ideal ninth hitter...

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bingo...

and replace “ideal” with “passable” too…

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used a little too much hyperbole...

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust

Question: If we don’t pay Cust 3.0M next season, who will? Is there a way to release and re-sign Cust for 1.5M? I just don’t think Cust is worth that much on the open market.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

He can be nontendered and then signed to another contract. I think there may be a certain amount of time that has to pass before he can sign again with the A’s though.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I like Cust, but I’d like him more at 1.5M

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, there is a way.

The A’s did this with Kiko Calero a few years back. The A’s could non-tender (i.e. decline to offer him a contract in line with his current service time) Cust and then hope that he would want to stay with the team and negotiate a new contract at a lower salary for 2010 than he would have gotten in arbitration.

There is virtually no way Cust would do something like that though, unless he’s absolutely sure he couldn’t get a $3 million deal on the open market.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell Branyan

Is Russell Branyan a free agent after this season? Wouldn’t he be more valuable than Cust for 3M per season? 2 Years/7M?

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he's a free agent.

I think Seattle might want to re-sign after this season, though.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Aug 13, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I think the A’s could use some of their offseason money (Holliday, Crosby, Giambi, O-Cab, Garciaparra, etc…. gone) for a DH/3B/1B Type. OF/DH’s aren’t really needed next year and going forward.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like last offseason was the best time to sign Branyan.

After the year he’s having he’ll get overpaid, and will no longer be the bargain he is right now.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust is Branyan

or at least Branyan of the past. Branyan this year has turned it around. Cust would intrigue a few clubs who might give him a year at $1.5M to $2.5M but I cannot see anyone rolling up the brinks truck for him the way he swings and misses and grimaces and looks at the sky as he waddles back to the dugout so often.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Aug 14, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cust stays until Carter takes over in 2011

Partly because of his down year (lower arby award / settlement to avoid arby), he will be pretty affordable and he represents a rare power threat on the projected 2010 team.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

13 Field Players

Hairston, Raj. Davis, Sweeney, Cunningham, Buck, Kennedy (re-sign), Pennington, Ellis, Everidge, Suzuki, L. Powell, Wallace, Cust/Free Agent?

Buck really needs to be on the 25-Man Roster and given consistent AB’s in RF. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. The guy was a Confident Masher 2 years ago.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a guess, but I see Buck being dealt in the off-season.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We call that “Being Gallaghered”.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soon to be renamed

“Being told to Buck off.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Buck you too

And the Breslow you road in on

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Aug 13, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince Horsman is hurt that you didn't use him instead.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he's not going to get angry over it

He very Magnantimous that way.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruddy Lugo is watching you...

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Springer just wiped Lugo from my memory.

Can I just say this game delay would REALLY blow w/ out AN. by brian.only on Aug 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT

Ha ha -- you misspelled "2009 season" by Nico on Aug 10, 2009 6:15 PM PDT

by brian.only on Aug 14, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure he came that way though, Nick

I think he was Groomed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he got injured while they were doing it

He had to go to Kaiser.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I would have guessed a dentist would be better

to deal with a bad Mohler.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same with

Hanson Horsey

Boy, what a career he had.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For his sake, I hope so.

He needs a change of scenery and that’s fine. The jerk around job the front office has done with him and a few others this year I’d commend him if he can find a way out of here.

by bababooey on Aug 13, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to start playing well again, period

If Buck were lighting up AAA (as he should be at his age) that would be one thing. But he’s not. At this point I assume his trade value is way down (due to his own poor play), so it might be better to hang onto him and see if he can get his act together next year.

Does anyone know if Buck will still have options next year, or does he have to either make the ML roster or be waived?

by andyinfremont on Aug 13, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't think it is fair to blame it on his current performance at AAA

Once a guy gets truly screwed by the Front Office, and realizes that getting called up is not based on his performance, and getting playing time is not based on his performance, it is very human to say phuket.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Aug 13, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmm, Thai it is, for lunch today..

"If, by 'journey', you mean, 'me coming to terms with my manlove', and the destination being 'Jack Cust' then yes. I agree." -bobnothing

by dtownmbrown on Aug 14, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not my favorite SF hooker, but she's ok.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got one more option (next year)

Of course he’s not lighting it up in AAA but he’s far from not playing well. I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t finish the AAA campaign over .300 and closer to 20 doubles than 10 where he’s at now. For the TBuck followers I’d look to see if they have a September call up for him at the conclusion of the AAA season. If they do, he has a better than 50% chance of being in the plans with Oakland next year. If there is no call up, mark it down, he won’t be in Oakland next year.

I tend to lean toward the comment right below in that to be honest he’s been healthy pretty much all year (take away the DL stint that caused all the grief for him this year) the oblique injury was marginal at best and I believe it was more of an FU from Beane because of the media situation Buck created for himself.

Look at Cunningham, got called up with good not outstanding numbers and his ass is full of splinters up in Oakland. The case should be more provable for Patterson who’s performance in AAA was outstanding but is just a ML-player. Long swing, no plan at bat per at bat, etc. Speed is great but that’s it.

Buck, Cunningham, Patterson, etc are all on very short leashes when they get recalled and if they don’t start out 4 for 6 in their first two games back they are going to sti until its time to demote them. Rajai has been great for 6 weeks but he’s going to be 30 and can we all truly predict he’s an everyday starter for 2010 and beyond? VERY doubtful. Sweeney is a singles hitter and always will be. Hairston is a nice complement but can’t stay in the line-up at all (hmm, wonder how we are all so quick to say he’s fine when if that was Buck he’d be drop kicked back to Sac-town. Hell, how many days do you need off in a row for a tight quad?

I hope Buck can work his way out of OaKland but his trade value is down and Beane will never trade a guy when the value is down. Its an ego thing with him even though he probably believes AAA for Buck is a waste of his and the organizations time.

by bababooey on Aug 14, 2009 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington's numbers are such a small sample that it's difficult to judge his ML performance at this point.

And small sample size aside, Cliff’s numbers disagree with you, as he’s outperformed Everidge at this point at a premium defensive position with a .376 wOBA. Tommy’s is .337.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's fair to draw any real conclusions from what they've done so far.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 13, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

I just don’t expect him to sustain an average that is 60 points higher, an OBP that is 20 points higher, or a slugging percentage that is 90 points higher than what he put up in AAA. Or anywhere near those numbers.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's Cust's buy-out for next year?

It looks like he’s Arb-2….even if we wanted to keep him, wouldn’t it be cheaper not to pick up that option? If Bobby Abreu only got $5MM, how can Cust possibly be worth 3? Especially since arb is based largely on RBIs for power hitters (Cust has never had many) it’s hard to imagine Cust getting $3 mil in arbitration…but I’m mostly ignorant on the subject. Anyone want to speculate whether we could get Cust back for less than $3 mil?

by swatnick on Aug 14, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

If Cust got anywhere near $3,000,000 in Arby, the powers that be should be committed to the psych ward.

by Trainman on Aug 14, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

He OPSed 851 a year ago.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude thats like 2/3 of the value of a marginal win

you don’t think that Cust will put up 7 runs above replacement next year?

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 15, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for Cust...

I believe the league has figured him out. I’ve never been a real big fan of his – I’ve been of the mind-set that as A’s fans, are expectations have gotten really low. When Jack Cust is your “best” hitter, you’ve significant problems. His defense is awful and for whatever reason the A’s brass continue to trot him out to RF, only to cost them games and to make Cust look ridiculous. So if he isn’t hitting – what purpose does he serve. I know the RBI is not the greatest stat to judge someone on, but come on, he hasn’t driven in a run in nearly 20 games. Besides the BB, he does nothing exceptional. I’d rather give someone else his ABs at this point. The A’s should consider moving him if they can – maybe Beane’s buddy, Ricciardi, will take a look-see at him.

Lastly, I think he represents the “lowered expectations” of the 2007/2008/2009 seasons. It’s pathetic that we all saw him as some sort of undescovered talent, classic “moneyball” player in terms of a small-market team taking advantage of market forces.

IMO – Cust is just a flash-in-the-pan, a one-hit wonder if you will.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 13, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How is it pathetic

that we saw him as an undiscovered talent? He OPS’ed 912 and 815. That’s perfectly acceptable on any team, even one with “lowered expectations”. Obviously he’s having a bad 09 season, but that doesn’t make the love for him in the past “pathetic” or wrong in any way

by chipper1001 on Aug 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got a typo there last year he OPSed 851 which is pretty damn good and a lot better than 815

and your point still stands of course, as it is a good one.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't tell, but this suggests I need to post the killfile instructions again

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im confused? are you saying that you want to killfile me?

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Your comment suggests someone I already killfiled (at the top) said something other people would like to killfile.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you must enjoy what I post because you continue to comment...

It’s jus my opinion – I’m not saying I’m right and others are wrong about Cust. This site is about opinion, but if it makes you feel better to threaten your fancy kill file nonsense, be my guest

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 14, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The beauty of it for nevermoor is he will never see this comment.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 15, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was pathetic about appreciating his performance in 2007 and 2008?

He got on base at a .408 clip and launched 26 homers in only 124 games in 2007. All for chicken scratch. In 2008, he was still getting on at .375 and he hit 33 bombs. Again, for pretty much nothing.

This season, the argument from the Cust haters is relevant for the very first time.

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust haters are just people who are letting the game pass them by and are stuck in 1983. I screamed all offseason to get Adam Dunn, who signed for a mere 2/20 and instead we get Giambi, ugh. Every team in MLB could use Dunn, Id kill to see what a Dunn-Cust combo could do.

by PL78 on Aug 13, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has he ever played in the AL?

It’s surprising he hasn’t been signed in the AL and reverted to DH yet.

Although, I’m sure any NL team would happily sacrifice defense at 1B for 40 HR power.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some guys like Dunn...

… avoid the AL and DHing because it’s essentially an admission that they can’t play defense whatsoever. And once they make that admission, they lose some negotiating power/money on their next contract.

Kind of like switch hitters who are clearly better on one side of the plate than the other. They refuse to stop switch hitting because just the tag “switch hitter” increases their value (cough cough Kielty).

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not really.

They refuse to stop switch hitting because for their entire lives they have seen right handed pitchers while batting as a lefty, and vice versa.

That’s not something you can just change whenever you want.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane could

And this isn’t something I pulled out of my backside; this has been said about Kielty before by professional baseball writers.

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and it was blown off whenever it was brought up.

Baseball writers have nothing better to do.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to pile on...

… but while I was doing some more Kielty research just now, I found out that he bats right-handed against righties during batting practice. That seems weird.

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 109 players have more career HR than Adam Dunn in MLB history..

And I would love to see Thome crack the top-10, he has always been one of the players I’ve never had any reason to pull for him, except that I just like him.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Cust hater I think I'm stuck more in about 1989 then 1983

but one thing is for sure it would be nice to have a cleanup hitter who doesn’t have 20 game streaks without a RBI.

by sirbed on Aug 13, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think attitudes like this is why I'm skeptical of the "Cust has been figured out" talk

I mean, it is very possible this could be the case but when I hear this opinion espoused no one mentions what specifically pitchers are doing differently to get him out or why it took them almost two years to figure it out. Basically the only reasoning behind this opinion seems to be “I never liked Cust because he struck out too much and now that he is struggling it finally shows that I was right all along and his a AAAA player.”

Even when we get opinions from scouts like in the original post it tends to reek of confirmation bias. Someone who has a long held opinion in place and is viewing Cust’s current struggles through that distorted prism.

The point does stand that Cust has not been very good this season and needs to make some adjustments to revert to his ’07 and ’08 form. I just think from the information we have it is far more likely that his struggles are a result of adjustments he has made and needs to work through, rather than this idea that after two seasons all the pitchers in the American league have finally figured out the trick to make Cust worse.

by DiegoAsFan on Aug 13, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have pitchers figured out he hits fastballs well and offspeed pitches badly?

This is news? This is not true of most sluggers? Cust and Hairston are good hitters who are batting in “great hitter” spots (#3/#4) but should be in spots like #2/#6 or #6/#7. That doesn’t mean they aren’t good hitters, just that the A’s are in trouble when they’re considered your best hitters.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, yes, this! Exactly.

I approve every sentence of your post. I’m not especially sanguine about Cust’s future, but I think you’re dead on the money in interpreting that scout’s comments.

by Faust on Aug 13, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how Cust isnt allowed to slump like any other player.

What happened to him was that we got Holliday and Giambi and he was INSTRUCTED to change his game to hit for more contact, which isnt his style at all and he was therefore woeful.

Since June 29 his OBP is .403 he is slowly getting his game back, he hasnt homered since July 20 which is really bad but this year has been a wash because he got pretty screwed from the start with his new approach. Cust will be just fine in 2010 and back to his 850 OPS’in self.

by PL78 on Aug 13, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He has also barely missed a couple HRs on balls he just crushed

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It is not the adjustments pitchers have been making that is the problem, but the adjustments Cust has been forced to make. Cust has been swinging at more first pitches and more balls out of the zone this year in an attempt to appease those who said he was striking out too much (especially looking) and not making enough contact. Now his K % is down but his average hasn’t improved and his HR and BB rates are down so it clearly hasn’t worked. I have a sneaking suspicion it was Geren who altered his approach. Hopeful he reverts to his 2007/08 approach and his 2007/08 results come too.

by DeJay on Aug 13, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've written about 800 words on how awesome Jack Cust is

and I’m trying to decide if publishing it as a fanpost will make me sound like a crazy.

by bobnothing on Aug 13, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DO IT!!!!!!!!!

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how 'bout this....

since he will now command $4-$5 million salary, he no longer is a hidden gem. The trend is – the more money he makes – the less of a quality player he becomes.

.912 OPS for $400k – a steal for the A’s

.730 OPS for $3 million – A’s are getting robbed

It’s just my opinion – the A’s will be better served to let the prospects play – we all know what he offers and it’s not much to a rebuilding team. Let Buck or prospect X.Y.Z get those ABs.

BTW…Cust is no Adam Dunn, not even in the same stratosphere

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Aug 13, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is true with any player

But if Cust returns to his 07/08 form then he will be more than worth his salary.

And prior to this season Cust and Dunn were actually pretty similar.

by DeJay on Aug 13, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that goes back on

what you said before which was that we were pathetic for seeing him as an undiscovered talent, now you say he was a steal in 07. btw pre 09 cust is definitely in the same stratosphere as Dunn

by chipper1001 on Aug 13, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really. If he makes 4-5 million next year, he'll still be making less money that Bobby Crosby is RIGHT NOW.

Think about it.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby doesn't even steal

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing Crosby's stealing

is the last zero on his paycheck…

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The trend is – the more money he makes – the less of a quality player he becomes.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the same way you feel

about Geren is the same way I felt about Raj and Ocab. I wanted them dfa’d until both started playing better.

…and thank gawd someone finally is calling Cust out. He’ll occasionally get lucky and hit a mistake pitch for a HR, but outside of that and the BBs, he’s crap-o-la. He hasn’t driven in a run in 20+ games.

by sf drift king on Aug 13, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dude

your avatar is a picture of Jack Cust

I think I’m missing something here

by colin on Aug 13, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

!

I would not have noticed that. Hilarious.

by Faust on Aug 13, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Cust would do much better down in the order

hitting number four is simply not working for him. I believe that the six or seven slot would bring him up in situations where he would perform well.

As good as Pujols no doubt has been for Holliday, and Holliday for Pujols, I believe the synergy of Cust/Holliday was just not there, no matter who was in the three slot, and the other in the four slot. Add in Giambi’s underperform, and I believe you have the basis for why Cust is underperforming. Teams don’t care if they walk him, and he isn’t getting a pitch to hit, so he’s going after pitches that are not his pitch. “Walk him, but don’t let him see a strike on a fastball” is the oppositions’ tactic. The tactic is working because Cust is under pressure to create RBIs. All teams know it. Put him in the sixth or seventh slot as DH, and he’ll get back. IMO

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Aug 13, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS
"Walk him, but don’t let him see a strike on a fastball" is the oppositions’ tactic. The tactic is working because Cust is under pressure to create RBIs. All teams know it. Put him in the sixth or seventh slot as DH, and he’ll get back.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teams are trying to walk him

and that’s why he’s walking less….

?

by swatnick on Aug 14, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sees plenty of strikes on a fastball

he whiffs on them quite often from what I have seen.

From what he has done the last month, he should not be in the 3,4 or 5 hole as those spots are for driving in runs. He should be #2 or #6.

I am sorry but I really don’t care whether he’s in the lineup or not anymore. I love the way this team is playing and the approach they are taking with the SB’s and aggressiveness. And that is with him being non-productive, batting in the wrong place in the order.

Like I said, it’s my opinion be it right or wrong to others. If he’s down the order or they put him in the 2 hole, then fine but when I see him batting 3rd or 4th, then I just don’t see anything productive happening.

by Trainman on Aug 14, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to clarify, get him out, but if he doesn't swing and miss

and you end up walking him, it’s ok (IMO). Not simply “pitch around him and walk him”.
So they aren’t “trying to walk him”, but pitching him out of the strike zone (balls, not strikes). If that results in a walk, it’s ok, because in four ABs you’ll probably see three strickouts and a walk.

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Aug 14, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Custaholic, so I obviously have some bias...

but I think you have to bring Cust back for at least one more year, to see what the true Cust is. $3 mm isn’t backbreaking, and he could be a valuable asset. I think we have to give him the offseason/next season to see if he can recover from his changed approach. It’s possible the league figured him out, but according to Fangraphs, he is seeing roughly the same amounts of every pitch that he saw last year. He’s actually seeing more fastballs this year, and fewer sliders and changeups. He is seeing a few more curveballs, but the difference in amounts seems pretty negligible.

Cust is seeing 2% more strikes this year, according to baseball-reference, but that could be explained by the fact that he is swinging at balls out of the zone 4% more.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post.

I think I agree with you. I bring the Cust situation up just because it seems interesting…a guy that was such a massive bargain and great run-producer less than one year ago is now looking like a bum out there and with the team’s major shift to full fledged rebuilding/auditioning, I could really see the organization cut ties with him sometime soon.

However, I think you’re right that unless team brass has some evidence that he’ll never bounce back to being a .800+ OPS hitter with 20+ homers, they’re probably in the right to bring him back at least for the start of next season to see if he can recapture his three true outcomes magic of 2007 and 2008. I love the guy, so I’d like to see him bounce back with this organization.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Aug 13, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that if the A's build their team

for Cust to bat #2 or #6, and he has a .360 OBP or he has 25 HRs — or ideally both, of course — then fans will enjoy Jack Cust. If your team needs to bat Cust #3, #4 or #5, you have a real problem. But the problem isn’t Cust, per se.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, +1,

hallelujah, holy shit.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 13, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHERE'S THE TYLENOL?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wait, that's Rohypnol.

Sorry.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

{fondle, fondle, violate}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it truly a crime

if the victim is willing?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if the willing victim says no so that others can hear

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 13, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and those who can hear aren't threatened into silence

…so I’ve heard, anyway.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we've crossed the line of good taste here.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Aug 14, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely crossed the line.

This is very ugly.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 14, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't be willing if he lacks capacity to consent.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 14, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silence implies consent!!!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 14, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've been strangely quiet...

{fondle, grope, violate}

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe you.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm? Sorry, what?

I just got here.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an excellent point.

Looking at Cust’s numbers over that last 14 days (where he has slumped and people are complaining about his 0 rbi): he is still getting on base 40.7% of the time. Even in this massive slump, he’s still providing value in that regard. I would gladly take that out of the 2 or 6 hole.

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by travdog6 on Aug 13, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would be silly to give up on him now

Give him an offseason + 1.5 months to get back to his K-happy self and I think we’ll all be singing a different tune. Barton isn’t making much of a case for himself, and Tommy Burger hasn’t had a chance yet.

I think some people are confusing Cust being a “hitter” like Pujols and his like are, and a “slugger” as in Dunn et al. He’ll never be a hitter, but he has many more valueable years as a slugger, which what his role ought to be

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 13, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's also possible that his back spasms have bothered him more (or more frequently) than he's let on

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all the more reason to give him at least another year

I hadn’t thought of that, but that sure could explain the lack of production. It also seemed like in this series he smoked a couple balls on a line that, if he was having back issues, might have normally been lifted in that Custian style.

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Aug 13, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think any team would take an .800+ OPS bat with 25 HR

for $3-4 million….

Like Nico said above, just keep him out of the middle of the lineup and people won’t be bitching about a clean-up hitter who hasn’t driven in a run in a month…

I really hope he gets some RBI tomorrow so that argument can go out the window.

It’s called a slump. Everyone has them.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Aug 13, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, people will bitch about him anyway

That’s easy to predict.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I declare this Smooth Joey’s Lock of the Week.

by Joey C. on Aug 13, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like PT's old point

Cust is a great asset because you can tell from people’s reaction to him whether they know anything about baseball.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought thats what Ellis was for? Redundancy Alert!

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a shibbocust

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 13, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should stick.

skigurl: Buy that man a Swatch!

by pam5981 on Aug 13, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like full credit for summoning PT with this comment

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ill give it to you.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I hope he goes 1-1 with a grand slam and 3 walks

Then I hope he signs up for AN and tells everybody to fuck off.

That’s just me though.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't make it any less funny.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You work in PR I see.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Aug 14, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be interesting to see who chased him if we let him go.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Aug 14, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nico hi it on the head....

maybe i dislike Cust because I expect him to be th A’s power-hitter/middle-of-the-order threat/run producer. He would probably be a nice complimentary player – say, to someone like Holliday, oops. I mean if he was a Yankee and batting 8th – there would be a lot there to like.

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by athleticsBB4life on Aug 13, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or if he could field better than Betty White; that would help too.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer Devon White for fielding if I had to pick

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Aug 13, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan White had pretty good aim.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry -- probably milked it more than I should have

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty offensive

And not particularly clever or funny.

by Glorious Mundy on Aug 14, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have to agree --

the “clever / bad taste” ratio was not impressive. My bad.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back injury/pain...

not exactly uncommon for a guy to dip in production when he’s having back issues; he was truly awful in June when his back was flaring. But Cust rebounded to .263/.417/.413 in July (also, not coincidentally when he went back to his old approach), the month where the A’s faced their stiffest competition by far. Doesn’t sound like the league has him figured out quite yet. He’s had a rough August, but it’s only 50 PAs, and he’s already drawn 11 walks on the month. Just stick him at DH (this year and next), leave the guy alone, and reap the benefits.

by AgitationStation on Aug 13, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on, do we really have to keep making excuses for him

He’s not a good player and he doesn’t fit in with this team anymore.

I find this team actually enjoyable to watch because they hustle and steal bases. It’s something we haven’t seen in forever with this franchise. The Angels have become successful because of their baserunning ability and I actually see a glimpse of that with the A’s now. Cust just slows this team down and for the most part is a rally killer. I can’t wait for Carter to replace him in a couple of years, he has superstar written all over him.

McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there

by streetisclosedin08 on Aug 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You feel Carter will steal more bases and go 1st to 3rd a lot?

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than Cust

Absolutely, i think he has double digit steals this year in Double A

McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there

by streetisclosedin08 on Aug 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...Put me down as someone who will hope for

36 HRs and 2 steals instead of 28 HRs and 10 steals.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well since Cust will never hit 36 homers

Who else do you have in mind?

McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there

by streetisclosedin08 on Aug 13, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking about Carter

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

I think he hit 33 in 2008.
He’s not that old yet…

Can I just say this game delay would REALLY blow w/ out AN. by brian.only on Aug 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT

Ha ha -- you misspelled "2009 season" by Nico on Aug 10, 2009 6:15 PM PDT

by brian.only on Aug 14, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want a slugger in the middle who can hit for a respectable average

hit 30 homers and drive in 100 runs and I think Carter will be that guy

McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there

by streetisclosedin08 on Aug 13, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust

I Love Jack Cust and Always Will.

Keep in mind, even though he’s had a big HR/RBI slump of late, he’s still getting on base and scoring a lot of runs. He will bounce back soon. The A’s should keep him one more year.

by J Canseco on Aug 13, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even in his slump

this moht his OBP is still .360…the guy gets on base. I think he should be hitting 6th or 7th personally. I’ve never subscribed to the “cust at 2” theory, simply because a walk by Cust, when followed by a single – he will rarely even get to third. To me, Suzuki at 2 makes a whole lot more sense.

Get more at-bats for one of your best contact hitters.

Bring Cust’s expectations down.

by thashyt on Aug 13, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust DH/ Suzuki C

Cust bats 2nd and Suzuki hitting at the bottom of the order, say 7th, he gets 3 less PA/week,which results in less wear and tear on the C. We have seen for three years in a row, that Suzuki starts the season out hitting well, gets overused, and then his hitting falls off.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Aug 13, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remended August last year?

Not to fondly, I’m sure. In a similar situation, the A’s team consisted of more young guys and non-prospects than the Stockton Ports. If Geren is so comfortable working with young guys, wouldn’t the brutal second half we had last year have been better?

Also, I am hoping we let Cust go. I really think the league has figured him out, and he really just doesn’t look very good this year. But for 3 million, even if Geren came to his senses and batted him in the two spot, he isn’t worth it. That money could go to AK or Stassi or Green, heck maybe even Sano. On a rebuilding team, or even a contending team, there isn’t room for Cust in the starting line-up. I’d much rather get Buck or Cunningham everyday AB’s out of the DH spot that forfeit them to a player who isn’t in the best future plans of the team.

You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.

by diehardoaklandfan22 on Aug 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What have they figured out that they didn't know a year ago?

No one seems to have an answer to that. When Cust was raking, it was well known that a good changeup or good curve would get him out a heck of a lot more often than a good fastball, and that if you spotted a fastball perfectly on the corner he’d likely take it if he couldn’t hit it anyway. Has that changed?

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if he's been figured out or not

but to me he’s a one trick pony who is no longer doing his trick and if this continues the rest of the year you can’t rely on him for next year. That being said if the A’s want to keep him as a number 7 hitter for next year I’m fine with that but he can’t be your cleanup hitter.

by sirbed on Aug 13, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Except he's really a "two-trick pony"

in that he walks, and he HRs, as well as anyone on the team (and recently among the best in the league).

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont even know if I want him as a 7 hitter for $3 million

Wouldn’t you rather give Buck or Cunningham some serious AB’s to see if they can become legit MLB bats?

You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.

by diehardoaklandfan22 on Aug 13, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not as a DH. They both provide defensive value as well.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Aug 13, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that really the question?

Wouldn’t it be better to ask – Is Cust the best solution for the A’s at DH?

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We probably won't be winning the division next year

and I dont think Cust is the long term answer at DH. So i suggest just ridding the team of dead weight and see what we have, rather than creating another Daric Barton situation with all of our near-ready AAA positional prospects.

You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.

by diehardoaklandfan22 on Aug 13, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if by "...ridding the team of dead weight..."

You mean exchanging short term talent for long term dividends, I might be inclined to agree. But I think the A’s will compete as soon as next season, and they can’t be creating a hole at DH for ‘10/’11 while they address others.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue we have a hole at DH right now

A .731 OPS? Thats horrible. He might not be this bad but he’s never going back to his previous years’ numbers. I think he’d be lucky to OPS.775 next year.

You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.

by diehardoaklandfan22 on Aug 13, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you're pulling numbers out of thin air here.

ZIPS has him at .797 the rest of the way. I’d be surprised if any projections for next year had him below an OPS of .800.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting more Tidbits Taj

Your posts are always substantial.

Regarding Cust’s K rate, dropping 7% is actually a marked improvement. 246 vs. 204 over 600 at bats.

I think DiegoAsFan said it best on the topic of the scout’s quote:

Even when we get opinions from scouts like in the original post it tends to reek of confirmation bias. Someone who has a long held opinion in place and is viewing Cust’s current struggles through that distorted prism.

I think scouts loathe TTO players, especially non-toolsy types.

I think it’s such an overreaction to want to kick Cust with the same boot as many of us would like to give to Crosby or Nomar. The A’s just can’t burn value in player talent that way. If he’s not a part of the future, that’s understandable, but there are teams out there that need a DH and see Cust as a 2 win player. With 2 seasons of cost controlled status, he’d net the A’s a good prospect or two with some upside.

Duke’s situation is disappointing to me, as I was hoping he might take another 1 year deal with the A’s to build full value as a free agent. Although with his durability, age, and position, it’s probably his smartest financial decision to take the offer with the most overall money. He’ll always be one of my favorite players.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Cust was traded it would have to be to a A.L. club

I wonder who makes the most sense?It would have to be a team trying to improve it’s OBP that needs a DH. If Billy Butler can be a full time 1B maybe the Royals make some sense or perhaps Toronto if they play Adam Lind in the OF.

Even though I’m not a Cust fan I’d only deal him if the club has someone else in mind who has at least some pop in his bat. You can’t have a team with no power and expect to win.

by sirbed on Aug 13, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see...

I think you’re right about the Royals, if they think Butler can pass the grade at first. Toronto might have interest if they keep Lind in left field.

Within the division, why not Seattle and Texas? They’re both looking at the next 2 seasons for contention. Griffey’s a free agent and Seattle’s going defense first at all other positions. In Arlington, Byrd and Jones are free agents. Vlad’s a question for LAAA too and the White Sox might have a spot open sans Thome.

Overall, not many teams in the AL get good production from their DH spot, let alone balancing it correctly with regard to outfield defense. The short list is the Twins and White Sox are doing well, with the Yankees, Orioles, and maybe Indians filled there. But there will be plenty of shaking up when it comes to bats this winter.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like when the Angles DH Figgins and play Rivera and Abreu in the field myself

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just loved the Bavasi situation.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Aug 13, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha yeah those were the good old days.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got me thinking rebus

and now my head hurts so thanks a lot but you’re right about the lack of production from the DH spot in the A.L. there doesn’t seem to be any great DH’s anymore and I wonder why? Maybe the days of having a big slugger as your DH are over and someone like Figgins who can use his legs to score runs is the future.

They had Kenny Williams on PTI and he was talking about how the game might be going back to like it was in the 80’s before all the PED’s turned baseball into slow pitch softball. We might be seeing the DH role change into something new, we’ll see I guess.

by sirbed on Aug 13, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed is not in a one to one relationship with power.

20 home runs are much, much more valuable than 20 stolen bases, so the greatest value a DH will have will always be in the box, not on the bases.

As for DHs in general, smarter folks than I have speculated and studied why the good ones are few and far between. One, it takes a great deal of hitting skill to perform in general. More is expected of a player, and players generally hit a bit worse when they DH as well. Two, there’s a certain level of athleticism required for hitting… meaning most DHs would actually benefit from playing a position of defensive value like the out field. Being bad enough at defense to be forced to DH is hard to do, and is usually an indictment of a player’s overall baseball ability. It’s truly a niche position, with most slots being filled by aging sluggers thoroughly in their decline phase.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two, there’s a certain level of athleticism required for hitting… meaning most DHs would actually benefit from playing a position of defensive value like the out field. Being bad enough at defense to be forced to DH is hard to do, and is usually an indictment of a player’s overall baseball ability.

I think you might be getting cause and effect mixed up. It seems spurious to claim that if a DH is too bad to play an outfield spot at the ML level, he’ll hit better if you throw him out in the outfield anyways.

by speckops on Aug 13, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a DH, a player will generally hit worse than if they were playing in the field.

“Too bad” to play in the outfield means the player very bad. Jason Kubel bad. At that point, it’s not worth the slight DH penalty to play him in the field. I think there are even some guys that just can’t hack it at DH even if they have the hitting talent. It’s not easy to get into the game in that role.

by rebus on Aug 13, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DH

It seems to me that the best way to use the DH slot is as part of a round robin, to maintain consistency while giving players a break from the field. Thus, on the Red Sox without David Ortiz, it would give at bats to both Varitek and Martinez, to Lowell when he couldn’t play the field, etc.

When you’ve got a great DH, someone like David Ortiz or Frank Thomas in 2006, then you give that up to keep that super-bat in the line-up every day, and it’s obviously worth it.

With Cust - he’s no super-bat, and he can’t field. So he’s a second-rate DH who keeps other people from playing.

Having said that, the A’s desperately need his power, however minimal, at least at the beginning of 2010. Later on, if other players develop, he can be traded and the DH spot can be used more effectively in a round-robin way. But right now, however much I hate Cust, he’s gotta stay and he’s gotta play.

by richwol1 on Aug 13, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nice leading post by Taj

and of course gripping off day reading this evening for me.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 13, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I choose not to think about the gripping.

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm neither a Cust hater nor a Custaholic

but I would happily sign him for $3 million, so I guess that puts me on the pro-Cust side in this debate.

What I don’t get is where you say:

If the team does keep him, I would hope that he is put into the 2-hole in the lineup…with Rajai/Patterson in front of him, you’d get a guy who naturally takes a lot of pitches hitting behind two guys that can basically steal a base at-will.

Whatever other reasons there may be to bat Cust #2, it seems like wanting him batting behind Rajai is exactly backward. The whole point of a guy like Rajai is that he has speed and can steal bases. How does putting Cust behind him take advantage of that? The running game works better with a guy at the plate who makes a lot of contact, right? Well, that’s not Cust.

The point of stealing 2nd is to increase the chance of scoring if the next guy hits a single. But Cust is a three-true-outcomes type player. Suppose Rajai does steal second, so what? If Cust hits a home run, it makes no difference if Rajai was on 1st or 2nd. If Cust walks, it makes no difference if Rajai was on 1st or 2nd. If Cust strikes out, well, OK, then it makes a difference, but only to the extent that the next guy isn’t another Cust (and if it wasn’t the 3rd out of the inning). Add it all up, and it sounds to me like a complete waste of Rajai’s speed. Put a singles hitter behind Rajai, and put Cust behind someone who gets on base but isn’t particularly fast.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 14, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You want Rajai in front of Cust...

Because you want Cust to see a lot of fastballs. If Cust is batting, Rajai is on first, and teams are trying to throw Cust 50% curveballs, then Rajai will be on third in no time. If they worry about Rajai and actually throw Cust some fastballs, that plays into the A’s favor, because Cust prefers fastballs. (Mike Fast wrote a great article on this, “Jack Cust eats fastballs for lunch”.

Plus Cust sees a lot of pitches, which gives Rajai that many more opportunities to steal.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Aug 14, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But iglew's right that never would a steal be so useless as with Cust batting.

The risk of getting thrown out without any benefit if the batter walks or HRs.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about Raj stealing 2nd with Cust up

Raj on 2nd, no out, Cust at the plate.

Where does the 3B play?

If the 3B is in the standard “Cust shift” position, Raj steals 3rd. If the 3B is swung over towards the bag to cover in case of a steal attempt, then there’s a hole about 70 feet wide on the left side of the infield. Unless they abandon the shift entirely, in which case Cust’s BABIP will go up significantly.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 14, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points -- especially if Cust simply learned

how to hit a routine bouncer to “SS” as part of his weaponry. I’m not sure a 70 foot wide hole on the left side would be a problem for the defense, but it should be.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With his new-found bunting ability

he could just push a bunt to “SS” and beat it out while Raj trots to 3B. In the right circumstances, I could even see Raj breaking for 3B, the 3B breaking to cover the bag, Cust bunting the ball hard to the SS hole…and Raj rounding 3B and scoring because none of the infielders is anywhere near the ball as it rolls to a stop near the edge of the infield grass!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 14, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That play would be, quite possibly, the greatest thing ever

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 14, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be radass

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by dtownmbrown on Aug 14, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

This and the other discussions below have enlightened me. I hadn’t thought it through far enough. I’m now on board for the Rajai-Cust combo in the batting order.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 14, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signing bonuses

I would like to pre-emptively rebut the argument that you are pre-emptively putting forth.

it will be a real blunder in my opinion if Green and/or Stassi don’t sign simply over a matter of a few hundred thousand dollars or so.

Yes, I see where you’re going with this. If Stassi decides he’d rather go to college, someone is going to dig up a story saying we offered him $1.51 million and someone else is going to dig up a story saying he would have agreed to sign for $1.52 million. Then everyone will put it together and say, “ZOMG, Billy is so cheap! If only he hadn’t pinched on that $10,000 we could have Stassi right now!”

Look, haven’t you guys ever been in a situation where you’re negotiating with someone who is just going through the motions and isn’t really interested? You offer 6 and she says she wants 7. You offer ABC and she says she wants D. You give in and offer 7 and she says, oh wait, on second thought I want 8. No matter what you offer, she wants a little bit more because the bottom line is she’s actually not interested but she thinks it’s nicer to pretend your offer isn’t quite good enough rather than plainly saying no.

That’s how it is with these draft guys. I have no idea if Green or Stassi are going to sign. But if they decide not to, I’m pretty sure it isn’t going to be for quibbling over change. And if for the next three years I have to listen to stupid little whines about how we could have had him if only we paid a little more, I’m going to barf.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 14, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But enough about Rafael Furcal

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the grover special?
"ZOMG, Billy is so cheap! If only he hadn’t pinched on that $10,000 we could have Stassi right now!"

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 14, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your line of thinking.

I specifically remember the whole Justin Smoak soap opera. Reports came out that he just wanted a small amount more than what the A’s were offering and it seemed like the front office dug their heels into the ground and refused to budge and just said, “Take it or leave it,” and he left it, went to South Carolina and then went to the Rangers last year. However, later reports from Beane himself indicated that the guy was pretty dead-set on going to college and money wasn’t the real issue.

But I think that in this year’s case, money is the primary issue; both guys want to sign and at least from the outside looking in, it certainly seems like the organization has bookmarked more than enough cash to successfully negotiate with both of these guys without breaking the bank or making a bad baseball decision. Part of my feeling that it would be a blunder if these two guys aren’t signed is because they are the two highest draft picks this team had this season. The team hasn’t gone over-slot for anyone in the later rounds and so to come out of this draft without any semblance of 1st or even 2nd round talent would be a player development disaster in my opinion. Sure, this organization has some nice depth and some intriguing players in the mid and upper minors, but you can’t simply ignore an entire draft year’s worth of premium talent and expect to build/maintain a strong farm system.

Look, I hear what you’re saying: don’t get tricked into giving too much money to an amateur that is trying to extort the situation of the team. But at least in Stassi’s case, it certainly seems like his camp has had a hard figure of what they want for a long time now. It seems like it’s mid-late 1st round money, and the A’s have that money, so the gap should be bridged. In GReen’s case, you never know what Boras has up his sleeve, but the guy isn’t even in Strasburg’s league as far as talent and is a college junior coming off a down season. His leverage isn’t great…he wants overslot for sure since he probably thinks he slipped a bit, but he’s not gonna pass up a guaranteed $3 million deal and go back to college. He’ll sign of he gets the “respect” he thinks he deserves.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Aug 14, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The team hasn’t gone over-slot for anyone in the later rounds "

Isn’t this just because substantially all over-slot deals are announced at the deadline? We did draft some overslot guys in later rounds.

I don’t really understand the hand-wringing (other than that it gives us something to talk about). They’ll sign everyone they can (certainly including Green and I’d put Stassi at 95%) but they won’t annonce until minutes before the deadline. We knew this going in, so why are we surprised that its happening?

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 14, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tons of teams have already gone overslot for picks.

Hell, I think the Pirates or O’s just gave a million bucks to a 22nd round pick! That’s insane. Lots of overslot deals have already been announced and approved (begrudgingly) by the commissioner’s office so I don’t necessarily agree that it’s some kind of unwritten rule that all overslot signings must go down to the wire. Last season, the A’s went significantly over slot for Dusty Coleman and Brett Hunter and both players were signed early enough for both to appear for minor league affiliates before the season ended. I think if the team and the players have a good idea about what will make both sides happy, they’ll get it done as soon as they can.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Aug 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My concern with Cust

I don’t think the league has figured him out. His weaknesses were pretty obvious from the start. However, more concerning, I think Cust’s success had been a product of steroid use and what we are seeing right now is closer to his true talent level.

I’m also of the belief that hitting him in a non-rbi spot (2nd or 6th) would be more productive. And for frick’s sake, stop putting him in the OF just so we can get nomar in the lineup UGH

I miss Chad God

by ChadGod on Aug 14, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the answer is simpler:

Cust did those off-season eye exercises under the tutelage of Mark McGwire.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That darn Big Mac

When will he leave our poor A’s hitters alone?

by sirbed on Aug 14, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

Steroid testing has been in effect the entire time Cust has been with the A’s. I realize everyone’s a suspected user at this point, but still, can’t we avoid baseless accusations like this one?

by Glorious Mundy on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he was rumored to have a locker next to a suspected user once

Combine that with just one interweb rumor and I’ll be sold.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Above, someone wrote about the current view of a DH

being morphed into something else. In the absence of guys like Frank Thomas, Jack Cust in the future (maybe — big maybe) does anyone else think that the DH will be something like the 6th man in basketball? Think about it, if we rid ourselves of the notion that one guy on the team had to be a defensive liability, we could have a 10 person lineup, in a sense. One guy would always sit, one guy would DH, but the guy sitting would still get regular action. For third, short, and second, it could be a way to get those guys in the lineup but not have the wear-and-tear of field action.

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Aug 14, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess Suzuki being the DH on occassion would be kind of what you are talking about

Having someone who isn’t a defensive liability as the DH, and can be rotated in. I think it is a great way to keep Suzuki’s bat in the lineup, without the rigors of catching.

A's fan, trapped in North Carolina!

by RJ2549 on Aug 14, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially since one of the A's better hitters this year has been their backup catcher

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because we don't have 9 good hitters

Let alone 10.

And, because if you include the population of terrible fielders in your sample, you increase the number of good hitters available to you.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 14, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Yankees are already talking about employing this next year

They will let Matsui walk this offseason, and rotate all their other stars through the DH position.

It’s very smart strategy for them especially, because imagine if A-Rod, Tex, or any of their elite hitters suffers an injury where he can’t throw, but can still hit effectively. You have a way to still get some value out of them.

They are going to have a lot of elite 30-something hitters that they’d like to keep fresh and in the lineup; the DH is a great way to do that.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Aug 14, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team

is oh so much more fun to watch than what we endured earlier this year. The changes I’d still like them to make are letting Garciaparra go so he can maybe hook up with a contender (like Springer), sit Cust and give those ABs to Buck or Barton or Carter. Cut Crosby. Period. Maybe grad a vet starter, in fact, yes do that. Do it now to set a tone for the young guys. No way Geren gets fired at this juncture but no way do you bring him back. Get a real MLB fire tested vet manager who has been there (taking a young team to the next level) and done that. I am personally a pretty big Bobby Valentine fan and would love to see him pacing the dugout.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Aug 14, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

with Springer on the Rays

I’m not sure they can be classified as a contender.

All kidding aside, they’re fading faster than I expected. A couple more inopportune losses and you can stick a fork in them.

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

by cuppingmaster on Aug 14, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saddened to say I think the Rays are toast

The WC is looking like a two-team race between BOS and TEX, with the AL Central runner-up keeping a foot in the door. Nothing a 9-game win streak couldn’t solve for Tampa Bay, but they’re not looking like a team that can do that.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I now have to root for Boston to make it so the slegnA can get eradicated again.

That’s the plan anyway.

Hopefully Texas will somehow do it

by Trainman on Aug 14, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we do play tonight, right?

home from work early and it’s raining I want it to smell like teen spirit – here i am now entertain me.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 14, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LINEUP SUGGESTIONS

Only two suggestions: Rajai Davis should be leading off and Landon Powell should take over for Cust as the DH. Powell is a switchhitter with some power. I would bat him ninth because he’s so SLOW. When Kurt needs a day off from catching; have Powell catch and Kurt DH. You can bat the rest of the guys anywhere else.

by joselpavon on Aug 15, 2009 6:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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