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O-Cab in O-10?



So yes, Orlando is gone.  He's a Twin now.  He leaves behind a gleaming Cliff Pennington and a fuming Bobby Crosby.  But beyond the "1st half O-Cab sucked, but post ASB O-Cab was pretty good", what do you think about signing O-Cab for next year ?  Was his 1st half slump a sign of regression due to age?  Was his post ASB streak a complete fluke?  Both?  How would you feel about him coming back to Oakland next year?  Granted, (no Grant Green pun intended) it depends on how Pennington performs, and who might be available the next offseason.

 

We've heard that Orlando liked playing in Oakland.  From SuSlu:

Cabrera and his wife, Katie, really love the Bay Area and Cabrera thinks the A's are setting themselves up well for the future.

 

Of course, BB can't vote in my poll, because as much as that kills him (from MLB.com):

Asked if he'd be interested in re-acquiring Cabrera as a free agent this winter, Beane cited tampering rules in declining to comment with any specificity.

"Given he's now Twins property," Beane offered, "it wouldn't be a good idea to address his potential free agency."

 

 

But here's something I just thought of recently: Did O-Cab feel burned that the A's traded him?  Well, that would be understandable,  but is it to the point that he would've wanted to play in Oakland next year, and now he doesn't?  Tough to find a truthful answer on this, since he's a professional, and pro's are obligated to say something like: "I'll miss my teammates and the fans, and playing for the (insert ballclub here), but I'm looking forward to playing with the (insert ballclub here) and the great organization they have."  Orlando is no spring chicken, and I can see him embracing the veteran leadership role (as he did with Gio) and maybe even thinking about getting a ring.

 

 

But all of this aside, would you want O-Cab on the team next year?  And for how much (or little)?  As a primary target or as a last resort?  Am I asking too many questions?  And why do you close your eyes when we make love?  Okay, I was just making sure you're paying attention still awake.

 

I must admit, of all the offseason FA acquisitions, O-Cab was the one I was most excited about.  Not to play the hindsight card, but I felt that O-Cab had a much better chance to play and contribute more than Nomah and Giambi (like we didn't know they were both older and injury-prone?).  And truth be told, I was both skeptical of a non-Coors Holliday and feeling burned at having fallen out of the Maracaibo Patrol Craft (Carlos Gonzalez, for the newbies).

 

But going forward:

Pennington may very well not be an adequate starting shortstop.  This is his audition.  The curtain rises.

A Tejada signing or Hardy trade might be very nice, but just in case, we should explore our options.

 

I didn't put any stats in this post on purpose.  Because:

People will post enough stats as it is, through arguing the point they are trying to make.

I'm hella old-school, and I only believe in AVG, RBI, and a solid W-L record (yes, that's a joke)

I don't feel I need to post OPS and WAR stats to gauge the general feeling of O-Cab on AN.  I'm pretty sure that the opinion of him has already been formed and cemented.

 

So onto the poll and the (hopefully lively) discussion.  Will the east bay once again be a home for a recovering Legna?

Poll
Oh, you want my opinion on re-signing O-Cab? Well since you asked, I think:
as a last resort, and only for cheap. I can live with it.
24 votes
best FA value out there for an SS. I like very much.
25 votes
other FA or trade; otherwise internal (Penn or Croz)
10 votes
other FA or trade; anything but what we have
4 votes
Pennington is the future!
32 votes
we have the answer, it's just not Pennington
3 votes
Crosby is the answer, and I huff spray paint
12 votes

110 votes | Poll has closed

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Uhhh... No.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Aug 12, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Nah.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

When you say Cabrera, it comes out “ca-BRER-a”. There’s no “cab” sound in there at all. I prefer OrCa, even if that’s pretty silly in itself.

by danmerqury on Aug 12, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

his nickname should be

one long rolled “R”

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 12, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

So then "Landers" is out?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 12, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used "O-Cab" cause that was the prevalent nickname initially...

“OrCa” was circulated later, but Cabrera never had the mass to pull off that nickname, and only gained the ferocity (as in ‘killer whale’) to do so a short while ago. I guess it’s just the easy name, as in the vein of “A-Rod”, “K-Rod”, and “Man-Ram”, et al. But the great nicknames are usually reserved for the truly great players, so it’s easy to see why Orlando gets a ‘quicky’ one. And it’s quite common for the Latin players too, IMO.

I said "Why not baseball?" He said he hated baseball and demanded we NEVER speak of it again. He then, oddly enough, walked repeatedly into my fists and feet. So weird that he would do that! - TwistNHook, CGB

by Kallus on Aug 12, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's aging and it seems he's lost a step.

This is a topic that’s better suited for the offseason IMO. We have to wait and see what Pennington will end up doing (I’m guessing he’s gonna suck, but I’ll wait it out), what Ocab’s feelings about a possible return are, and where his value is. If he can prove that his failure of a first 1/3 of the season was a fluke, and was caused by his showing up to camp overweight/out of shape, then I would consider resigning him.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Aug 12, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Patrol craft terminology

Carlos is a Marabino patrol craft, not a Maracaibo patrol craft.

Maracaibo is the name of the city. Marabino is what you call a person from that city.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 12, 2009 12:39 AM PDT reply actions  

forgot about that. good knowledge

I’d just seen a piece on the lightning storms that happen near Maracaibo…unlike any others in the world. they fill up the sky, and can be seen from hundreds of miles away. guess it was just on my mind.

I said "Why not baseball?" He said he hated baseball and demanded we NEVER speak of it again. He then, oddly enough, walked repeatedly into my fists and feet. So weird that he would do that! - TwistNHook, CGB

by Kallus on Aug 12, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

More Knowledge..

The name of that lightning is “Relampago del Catatumbo”…

And Speaking about Cabrera, If Beane is going to sign an aging SS I would take Tejada over Cabrera any day…

by Olijerez77 on Aug 12, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

the jury is still out...

If Pennington performs well the remainder of the season…….then I say give him the job in 2010…..if not then I would be open to Cabrera returning.

Money may be better spent elsewhere though…

by Colorado Booze Hounds on Aug 12, 2009 6:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

  Right now Pennington is the guy unless he stumbles than Ocab will be the #1 FA potential. What happens to Green will also go into the decision. There is a chance also since he can play 2b too if Kennedy doesn’t resign.

by Arcman on Aug 12, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

I like pennington for next year and i huff paint…so where do i click?

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Aug 12, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah... I demand that option!!!!!

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Aug 12, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I say no barring major catastrophe

He’s clearly a shell of his former self, especially defensively. An AAA SS would probably be better than OCab at this point.

Unless Pennington absolutely falls on his face and there is no better deal on the FA/trade market.

Outside of OCab’s fluke hot streak, he can’t hit and he can’t field.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Aug 12, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd prefer to acquire him at the deadline next year

so he spends his first half of suck with some other team.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 12, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

My opinion is that Cabrera should make the switch to 2B now,

where he would be well above average defensively, and a decent veteran bat for a team in need of a 2Bman. Heck, the Twins would be a good fit, as would have been the Giants before the Sanchez trade, and as will be several other teams going into 2010.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 12, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

No

and also want to point out that Booby Crosby is now our highest paid active player. That’s the state of our A’s in 2009.

by sf drift king on Aug 12, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow.

Second only to Chavez. Our payroll is really crazy right now. Almost all the money is going to guys who aren’t really doing much.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Aug 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also I haaaate to bring it up

But Crosby has an 830 OPS since June 14. True its only 80 PA’s but he’s starting to have value as a UTL man. If he can realize that this is his short and possibly long term future, he could be a valuable asset to any team.

by PL78 on Aug 12, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

His 2 HR game gives him 8 of the bases in those 80 PAs

He hasn’t actually been doing that well. He’s a perfectly serviceable utility infielder, but I wouldn’t pay him much over league minimum to do what a lot of guys can do for league minimum (hit poorly and play ok defense at a couple positions).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 12, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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