Eveland gets Designated for Assignment
by rickey939 on Jul 7, 2009 10:14 PM PDT
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From A's Press Release this morning:
OAKLAND -- Following the game Tuesday night in Boston, the Oakland A's designated left-handed pitcher Dana Eveland for assignment for the purpose of securing option waivers. Eveland remains on the A's 40-man roster and if he clears waivers he will be optioned to Sacramento. A corresponding roster move will be announced on Wednesday. [ read full press release ]
I Guess this means he's not the player to be named later in the Hairston trade after all. He will probably be claimed off waivers by some team needing left handed relief. Who do you think th PTBNL is now? My guess is Blevins. The Padres have said it will be someone with major league pitching experience. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Dana!
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I still think the PTBNL will end up being Gallagher.
And on Eveland’s DFA…eh. I think he’ll probably end up with Sacramento…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 7, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Gallagher, Pads said they were “excited” about the 3rd guy. Why would they be excited about Eveland or Blevins?
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they want him? Duke's an impending FA.
and Padres aren’t contending this year.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, there it is. I thought he had a couple of years left for some reason.
by dolemite on Jul 8, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense
He has options left for this year why the fuck would you just designate him for assignment when you can wait a till next year. Hes better than Shawn Chacon and might be useful as a throw in on a trade. Dumb ass move.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait you're right
he can go up and down freely. So this is just Beane 100% running out of patience. Understandable I guess, but I’d guess Eveland is probably bearing the brunt of what Beane would like to do to Giambi, Nomar, Crosby… Travis Buck is easy to punish also.
by AgitationStation on Jul 7, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either.
The only rationalization (and I’m really reaching here) for this move is that the A’s are on the verge of acquiring multiple players in a trade or something (in which case, why not make the move after the trade actually happens?). Or maybe they want to make room for Everidge or something (in which case, why not DFA someone like Gray?) on the 40 man.
Another inexplicable move by the A’s in a season full of questionable management.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess but don't you usually make those kinds of moves when you anounce that youre getting 40man player via trade?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’m just grasping for straws here, trying to see if there’s any way this move could make sense.
Honestly, I think Beane just got pissed off and made a irrational move that a dumb, emotional fan would make.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trainman probably wouldn't leave him alone
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by Flashfire on Jul 7, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by travdog6 on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He finally gets it
Eveland has no or little trade value IMO.
Beane must finally be tired of this excellent OBP machine for the opposition.
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by Trainman on Jul 8, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butbutbut
he was supposed to be statistically superior to Dallas Braden!
by cityplANner on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paralysis by analysis
You don’t need FIP or ERA+ to know that Dana Eveland can’t throw strikes, and until and unless he does, he won’t sustain success in the big leagues.
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by jeepers on Jul 8, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the game last night he got ahead in the count on almost every hitter.
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he didn't stay ahead of any of them.
Although you raise another interesting point—if the only strikes you can throw are destined for Lansdowne Street, that isn’t going to help much, either.
Also, he threw first pitch strikes to 8 of 15 hitters. That’s not “almost every hitter.”
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by jeepers on Jul 8, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it was said “he cant throw strikes” which I showed wasnt entirely true.
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they're freeing up some 40man/25man space for a soon-to-come trade
If we get 2 guys back in a Holliday trade that we want on the 25 man roster immediately, we need to clear some space.
by cityplANner on Jul 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For our push to win the division?
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by OldhamA on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to rotoworld, he was out of options..
A’s designated LHP Dana Eveland for assignment.
Eveland gave up four runs on six hits and three walks in 2 2/3 innings during a spot start Tuesday night. He was a curious choice to fill in for the bereaved Dallas Braden because he was out of options and had a 7.40 earned-run average during his last trip through the bigs. He should draw some attention from other organizations.
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by mattabedi on Jul 8, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's inaccurate
The fact that he was in the minors meant he had an option for this year. This has more to do with his 3 year status than options.
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by DMOAS on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A decent bet to clear waivers...
given his lack of options. It’s probably 50/50. If they just needed a guy for one start, I really don’t understand why they didn’t bring somebody else up. With Cahill struggling bad and Gio such a wild card, there is a good chance this team will need a fill-in full time starter the last two months. They also could have tried him out of the pen. He’s the type of guy with average stuff that can really be much more effective when he picks up a couple mph when he doesn’t have to pace himself.
I don’t understand a lot of things Beane has done this year.
by AgitationStation on Jul 7, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was drunk? and after watching the start tonight, just faxed off the DFA papers
he’ll sober up tomorrow and regret what he’s done
by bobnothing on Jul 7, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying he is from Chicago?
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by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some small way, aren't we all from chicago?
by bobnothing on Jul 8, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
My mom is from Chicago, so…
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by ChickenStanley on Jul 8, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think that?
He has the upside of a number 3 starter. Hes better than the crap that the Indians, Mets, or Nationals are calling starting pitching these days.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It’s a big stretch to say his upside is that of a number 3. Only about five teams that would maybe take him (D-Backs, Nationals, Indians, Padres, Royals.) I don’t think he’s the kind of player the Indians or Royals will invest in, when they can give the innings to one of their own young guys. The Nationals have a full rotation, now that Detwiler and Stammen are up. The Padres and DBacks both do have massive holes in the fifth spot. Those are the two most likely to pick him up, but they’re also two very statistically inclined teams (along with the Indians), and are likely to notice how weak Eveland’s AAA line really is (plus Eveland was already pitched from the D-backs).
We’ll see. I’m saying 50/50, not 4 to 1 that he passes.
by AgitationStation on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He put a 2.7 WAR season together... If you can do it once, thats your ceilling
Even if you take him off the 40 man whats the point? He still only has this year as his final option year.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't really...
I think that’s based on fip, but his fip was better than he actually pitched due to a very low HR/FB which is not really a talent he has. His ERA and tRA were a lot worse, and his K and BB rates are not good. He was between 1-2 WAR last year. Still odd to dfa him…
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by mikeA on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K rate was league average
His HR/FB rate is essentially the same this year hes just walking way more batters and striking out less. I haven’t seen tRA converted to WAR do you have a good explanation of how to do that?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
Let the Indians, Mets, or Nationals fight it out for Eveland. Maybe we can get a C-Level prospect back in return.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 8, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be OK with that
maybe a C+ 3B prospect but beggars can’t be choosers
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by adragon on Jul 8, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is
Eveland was one of the PTBNL and after today, when the Padres lost interest, he was DFAed. It still doesn’t make sense though. He’s pitched very well in AAA this year and throughout his career and he was at least decent for the big club last year.
by swatnick on Jul 7, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking along these lines.
But if they wanted to show him off to the Padres, they were setting him up to fail with such short rest. He pitched on the 4th in AAA, 7th in the Majors.
by LoneStranger on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be interesting to see how this plays out
Eveland doesn’t really fit into the A’s rotation plans next season and he won’t have any options left so you can’t use him as a 7th starter on the Oakland Sacramento shuttle. I guess you could hold onto him and use him for a few spot starts this season and try to move him in the off-season but why put off for tomorrow what you can do today (also, if Eveland has any value right now it will be even less this off-season when teams know they can just wait and claim him on waivers).
Now we’ll get to see if there is any interest out there for Eveland, I’m not expecting much but I think there is at least a 50-50 chance somebody will trade something for him. He could have been useful later in the year when the rookies start to hit the wall but really, this team is headed toward the 90 loss mark and the difference between Eveland and Simmons or Chacon is pretty inconsequential this season.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 7, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When a player is DFA'd...
the team has 10 days to trade them. Beane is simply putting the league on notice. For that matter, he could still be the PTBNL.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This makes absolutely no sense to me. At all.
If he still had options, why DFA him?
If he is one of the two potential PTBNLs, is there any advantage to/reason for DFAing him before sending him to SD? Can the A’s even do that now?
I just don’t get it.
by HigherPie on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to be repetitive, but yeah, it simply doesn't make sense.
He’s been optioned this year already so why not just option him down? Why expose him to waivers? It’s not like he’s entirely worthless, both in terms of actual pitching or trade value.
by danmerqury on Jul 7, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Explanation
Eveland was designated for assignment instead of just sent down so his 40-man roster spot would open up. He was removed from the 40-man roster the second he was designated for assignment. Seems like something else might be on the horizon, since we now have an open 40-man roster spot (Webb out, Hairston in…Eveland out, _ in).
In addition, Eveland might have been DFA’d to try to drum up interest in him from either NL clubs or AL clubs with good records, since if he is exposed to waivers he would go from worst to first in the AL, then worst to first in the NL. Say, for example, the Reds are interested in Dana Eveland, even slightly. Once he’s designated for assignment, that basically tells everyone he’s on his way out…somewhere. This means the Reds can try to work out a deal if they want him since he’d could be claimed by someone before Cincinnati in the waiver order.
I think people think Eveland is now on waivers since he’s been designated for assignment, but that simply isn’t the case. Beane has ten days to do something with him; if no one’s dealt for him by the end of the period he’ll put him on waivers. If he’s claimed, he can be traded or given away to that team. If he’s not claimed, he’s back on the River Cats. Makes sense to me.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
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by Philip Christy on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that DFAing someone increases the likelyhood of you getting something back
You can just wait till the end of the 10 day period and claim him on waivers, versus shopping him around where there is no rush and prospect of losing him for the A’s.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
Assume the player has a small bit of demand for his services. If you’re a team like the Brewers, and you want him, sure you can wait for him to show up on the waiver wire, but if ANY AL team (Yankees? Rangers? Angels?) or any worse NL team (Cubs? Marlins? Mets?) claims him, you’re SOL. You’d be willing to give up a minor prospect to not have to go through the waiver process, and I bet that’s what Beane’s hoping for.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess what? The same applies if he isn't DFAed. Any team can trade a minor prospect for him.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not removed from the 40-man roster if he's not DFA'd
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
put him on the 60 day DL for shell shock... thatll keep him off the 40, and is likely a valid diagnosis.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have, in my medical estimation, determined that he suffers from acute suck-itis
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by Kallus on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why do that before you have someone to replace him on the 40 man?
by humdinger on Jul 8, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it would be smart to put Everidge on now
Whether it be Everidge, or they plan to trade Holliday very very soon for 2 guys who need to be on a 40 man roster.
But certain members of the 25 man need to go.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does set up a deadline
I’m not sure how much this helps or if it is a detriment but deals tend to happen more under a deadline. There is a reason that trade activity picks up the closer you get to July 31st, like a lot of us GM’s sometimes need a little extra motivation to get something done. By DFA’ing a player it basically letsany interested GM’s know that they have 10 days to get something done so they better get a move on.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, decreases his value
see: Bradley, Milton
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
works out to the same though
if he’s claimed, the A’s can’t pull him back.
by AgitationStation on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
But he can be traded for before he’s exposed to waivers. That’s the difference.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
yup this was done to free up a slot on the 40 man. There is either a trade or Everidge/Simmons coming up.
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by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a prelude to a Holliday trade in which the A's receive two 40-man roster guys
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmhmm.
Something tells me a Holliday trade is happening…like really soon.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i did get approved at work
to trade my New Years Holliday off for a Christmas Holliday off
so yes…there was a Holliday trade in the works
/pun
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by BigTuna on Jul 8, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also rec'd
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by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting trade leverage.
By DFAing him, Beane has to make a move within ten days. Other clubs know this, so Beane’s gonna have to settle for a low ball offer or he gets nothing. This is why teams usually don’t DFA their players before they trade them.
And if Beane wanted to free up a 40 man roster spot that badly, then he could just DFA someone less valuable like Jeff Gray.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless two or more clubs want in on the action.
Then he might get something worth a little more.
by LoneStranger on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong, Beane doesnt have to make a move, Forst said this:
\the A’s are essentially optioning Eveland to Triple A and aren’t at risk of losing him to another club through waivers. He has to clear optional waivers, something no player has failed to do since they were implemented.
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that post was before we found out he wasn't actually "DFA'd" in the traditional sense.
He’s basically being optioned down to AAA so therefore that doesn’t apply.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 8, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can also still be included, in the next 10 days, as the PTBNL in the Padres deal, correct?
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by Nico on Jul 8, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by iglew on Jul 8, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The explanation of designated for assignment might be rec-worthy...
…but it doesn’t really apply to Eveland since he was only passed through optional waivers. Bah. I’d like to trade him for a bouncer; someone better at getting people out.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 8, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he ends up in Sac
I don’t think anybody will try to pick him up.
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by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
there will be interest.
There are a lot of teams that are far more hard up for pitching than the A’s are.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland doesn't crack the A's top 6 SP depth
And could be as low as 11th in the rankings depending on how he relates to a few others.
1-4: Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, Braden
5*: Outman (depends on recovery)
6: Gio
7-1**1: Gallagher, Eveland, Simmons, Leon [PT favorite], Ynoa [way off]
- very subjective depending on the short term vs long term viewpoint
by echerrst on Jul 8, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He cracks the top 5 SP depth for a lot of teams though
Eveland > most of Fernando Nieve, Tim Redding, Rodrigo Lopez, Mike Burns, Bruce Chen, Carlos Silva, Russ Ortiz, etc.
If he cracks a team’s MLB rotation, that’s a huge problem, but a lot of teams have that problem.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to Ortiz
Did he get injured or something? He used to be pretty good
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by robbo650 on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got old.
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by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm as much a Leon fan as PT was
Leon’s young, has great stuff and experience in the Mexican League (considered almost a AAA equivalent). But he’s not been stretched out this year and he did have a bad outing causing his ERA to balloon to over 5.
In other words, Leon is nowhere close to being on the MLB team, or a rotation anywhere. Let him convert to starting and do well before we put him above a 25 year old who was our third best pitcher last year.
Let Ynoa at least pitch in the US before we call him anything more than an expensive lottery ticket.
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by vignette17 on Jul 8, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy move.
Eveland isn’t old and he will surely be picked up by a team . Did he make a pass at Beane’s wife or spit on Kurt Suzuki or something?
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He told Geren he can't coach
True yes but not smart
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by adragon on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things is happening
1, the A’s are trading for a active player in the next few days or 2. They are putting a player on the 40 man so they can bring them up like the 3bman who is mashing it in AAA.
by Arcman on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eveland going to Sacto for the time being.
Assistant general manager David Forst, however, explained that in Eveland’s case, he simply needs to clear “optional waivers” over the next 48 hours before being officially optioned because he made his Major League debut three years ago.
Forst noted that a player has never not cleared optional waivers in the three years they’ve been in effect, and that Eveland will not be removed from the 40-man roster.
“It’s strictly procedural,” Forst said
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by ZigFan31 on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
So we're not gonna die?
:(
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by hero66 on Jul 7, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might if we have to see Eveland pitch for Oakland anytime soon.
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by ZigFan31 on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Good find.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More info on waivers in general
A waiver is permission from other clubs to trade or assign a Major League player’s contract. A waiver request is filed through the Commissioner’s Office and granted for a limited time period.
There are three types of waivers: 1) unconditional release waivers, 2) outright waivers (special waivers), and 3) Major League waivers, which include optional waivers and trade assignment waivers.
Unconditional Release Waivers
A club that wishes to release a player places him on unconditional release waivers. He then may be claimed for $1, but the player has five days to choose whether to accept it or refuse the claim and become a free agent. If the player rejects the claim, he become a free agent and forfeits the remaining money due on his contract. If the player accepts the claim, the new team pays him under the contract he signed with his former team. If no team claims the player, he becomes a free agent.
Irrevocable Outright Waivers
A club that wishes to remove a player from its 40-man roster but keep him in its minor-league system must first place him on outright or special waivers. Outright waivers are not revocable, so a player claimed on outright waivers may not be pulled back by his original club. A club may not request outright waivers on a player with a complete no-trade clause or on a player ten-and-five rights.
Through 2006, outright waivers secured between September 1 and 30th day of the next season were known as Special Waivers. The owners and players eliminated Special Waivers in the 2007-2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Major League waivers
* Trade Assignment waivers. Trade assignment waivers are utilized in August as a means to gauge trade interest. Between August 1 and the end of the season, a player may not be traded without first clearing trade assignment Major League waivers. If the player is not claimed within 47 business-day hours, he may be traded to any club. If the player is claimed by another club, the request may be revoked, allowing his current club to pull him back. However, the player’s current club also may 1) work out a trade with the claiming club within 48 ½ business-day hours, or 2) elect to allow the claiming club to take the player for a $20,000 fee and assume responsibility for his current contract. If more than one club claims a player, the club with the lower winning percentage has priority, but American League clubs have priority for AL players, and National League clubs have priority for NL players. Once a player on major league waivers has been claimed and the waiver request revoked, any subsequent request for major league waivers during the same waiver period is irrevocable. A player with a no-trade clause who is claimed on Major League waivers must be pulled back if the player’s no-trade clause allows him to block a deal to the claiming club. However, the player may waive the no-trade clause and join the claiming club.
* Optional waivers. Optional major league waivers are required when optioning a player who has options remaining but who is more than three calendar years removed from his first appearance on a Major League roster. Because optional waivers are revocable, players usually clear in this scenario.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dammit, can't edit
Meant to block quote that. :(
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job GW
and rec’d
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info... rec'd
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he wasn't really DFA'd?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, yes. But no, not really.
He has to clear optional waviers (48 hours) before he can be sent down to Sacto.
Bring Jerry back!
by ZigFan31 on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This basically means he was optioned to Sacto.
Normally, it’s not considered “DFA” unless the player is removed from the 40 man roster.
Bah, much ado about nothing. I think a reporter just got confused and misreported the DFA.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's reporting it as a DFA.
But whatever. Potato po-tah-to. I’m more curious who they are bringing up…
Bring Jerry back!
by ZigFan31 on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland not on 40 man roster
I see that Eveland is no longer listed on the 40 man roster on the A’s site. 40 man roster
Since he hasn’t cleared optional waivers yet why doesn’t he appear on their 40 man roster?
by Playball on Jul 8, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anticipatory
Now I see they expect him to clear. Helps to read the previous posts.
by Playball on Jul 8, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No less than 5 guys on the 60 day DL
this makes me sad :(
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 8, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the PTBNL is Gallagher.
It just makes the most sense.
We know from reports that Towers is excited about the guy. Not only that, but we know there was not a lengthy negotiation; rather, the Padres were negotiating with another team and had a deal in place when Beane jumped in and offered a deal that Towers liked better. That suggests that Beane already knew who Towers wanted and, under the pressure of seeing Hairston go to another team, caved in and offered Towers the guy he wanted.
Of all the candidates mentioned, only Gallagher makes sense as that guy. Everyone else suggested as a possibility just isn’t sufficiently exciting.
Gallagher also comes with a simple reason for being a PTBNL, since he’s injured and you can’t trade an injured player without special permission. For any of the other candidates, we have to assume that Towers isn’t quite sure what he wants yet, which doesn’t jibe with the scenario where Beane comes in with a last-minute deal and Towers says yes.
The reason there’s a choice between two is insurance. Since Gallagher won’t be handed over until he’s off the DL, there’s the slight possibility that some major unxpected event happens, like his arm falls off, or he decides to quit baseball and go to a buddhist monastery in Tibet. Therefore they have a fallback plan that says “you get Gallagher, or if you want you can take player X instead.” But that’s just a fallback plan; Gallagher is the guy Towers wants, and they both know it.
One other point. Suppose it’s not Gallagher. Suppose it’s Eveland or Gray or Casilla. For every other candidate I’ve seen suggested on AN, if it turns out to be that guy, 90% of AN will cheer and say, “Woot! That’s an awesome trade for us!!” Whereas if it’s Gallagher, about 50% of AN will say “Yeah, that’s a hard bargain but I think it’s fair,” and the other half will say, “yuck, I hate this trade.”
Now which of those sounds like a real-life reaction you would see to a real trade that actually happens?
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by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong thread, but I agree with this.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the wrong thread.
The main post asks,
Who do you think th PTBNL is now?
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by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the using of the board as the canary in the coal mine.
I agree it’s gotta be Gallagher.
by smokelanda on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, my bad.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop being right.
K thnks bye
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've think it's Gallagher, too
We know from reports that Towers is excited about the guy. Not only that, but we know there was not a lengthy negotiation; rather, the Padres were negotiating with another team and had a deal in place when Beane jumped in and offered a deal that Towers liked better. That suggests that Beane already knew who Towers wanted and, under the pressure of seeing Hairston go to another team, caved in and offered Towers the guy he wanted.
Of all the candidates mentioned, only Gallagher makes sense as that guy. Everyone else suggested as a possibility just isn’t sufficiently exciting.
I’ve been mulling over this clue, too. If Towers was persuaded to switch deals by Italiano-Webb-Eveland, how awful was the deal he originally made for his starting CF and 2nd-best hitter who’s only making $1.5 million this year and is under club control for 3 more seasons? If you think it’s Eveland, you have to believe that Towers originally made a deal centered on someone worse than him, which isn’t very plausible to me.
It’s Gallagher, and I’d bet it’s Simmons as the backup (though it could be a lower-minors guy, maybe even a dark horse like Hunter, who’d be a year past drafting/signing by the time the deal was finalized, I think).
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by Nick on Jul 8, 2009 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I've think" I should stop commenting first thing in the morning!
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by Nick on Jul 8, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, there’s no way Beane gives them Blevins and thats what gets him Hairston. All signs point to Gallagher.
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The option
Otherwords the A’s are seeing if another team wants him and can negotiate a trade. Which tells me that he is not part of the Hairston trade. So the next 48 hours will tell if the A’s can get a prospect for him maybe a player who fell out of favor with his club too.
by Arcman on Jul 8, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This team seems kinda out of wack right now...
by LVElephant on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think this means Eveland is the PTBNL
And San Diego wants to send him to AAA.
1) The A’s put him on “optional waivers” to get him off the 25-man roster and on the AAA roster, then
2) The A’s put him on the DFA list, so they can immediately get him off the 40-man roster instead of waiting two days.
And in 48 hours, Dana Eveland is announced as the PTBNL and plays for Portland, and never has to touch the Padres’ 25-man roster.
He was a PTBNL because the A’s wanted the starter last night. It was between two players just in case Eveland got hurt.
by kenarneson on Jul 8, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd...an interesting thought indeed
by GusanoQuemador on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So this is what you think happened?
The A’s and Padres completed a verbal agreement, just as Dallas Braden’s grandma was having chest pains. The Padres are getting Dana Eveland as the centerpiece.
Beane: "You know, Kev, with Braden’s grandma in the hospital, we have no other options to start in Fenway (who’s this Egon guy? Isn’t he the brainy guy on Ghostbusters?), so we have no other choice but to start the guy we just agreed to trade to you. Is that OK? If he gets hurt, I promise you can have James Simmons instead. In the meantime, just send over Hairston and I’ll call you tomorrow.
Towers: OK, Billy. I’m a really nice guy and I’ll let my centerpiece throw for you in Boston, on three-days rest, against the best lineup in the league that has only lost a dozen times at home all year, a home in which lefties frequently get throttled. I don’t mind trading for guys who recently got their asses handed to them. It makes me look smart. However, I’ll only do it if you promise to DFA Dana immediately after the game so I won’t have to put his mediocre ass on my roster. Hairston, my starting CF and second best hitter, just got the first flight to Boston. Call me!
by smokelanda on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just had another thought about the PTBNL
If there is a Holliday trade element, perhaps the conversation w/ Towers went like this?
Beane: Look, we’re gonna make a trade involving Holliday in a few days, and there’s a chance we’re going to get pitcher X from team Y. Obviously, this isn’t guaranteed, so, you want to make the final part a PTBNL, right, and if we make that particular trade, we’ll send X to you, and if we go in a different direction, you can have Dananaman/ Seany. Sound good?
Towers: So, do you like…. stuff?
by bobnothing on Jul 8, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the optional waivers thing is just a rule that applies to certain players, Eveland being one of them
Also, the A’s have no immediate need for the roster spot. In fact, it appears that Eveland will occupy the spot that he vacated.
Also, I don’t see what difference any of this makes to the Padres. I don’t think any of this really would help them out wrt the roster rules.
The PTBNL because the A’s needed a starter business is not at all plausible. “We’ll give you Eveland after he pitches for us on Tuesday” would be a very strange transaction.
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by mikeA on Jul 8, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We’ll give you Eveland after he pitches for us on Tuesday" would be a very strange transaction.
So is “We’ll call up Eveland to pitch on short rest, just so he can get shelled and DFA’d after the game.”
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We’ll call up Eveland because the scheduled starter went on the bereavement list” is a very non-strange transaction, especially since they apparently didn’t really dfa him as that is commonly understood. So no.
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by mikeA on Jul 8, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could have started Edgar Gonzalez, too.
He was also on three days’ rest.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 8, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He ended up pitching anyway.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On 3 days rest? When EGon was readily available to start?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 days rest....
That just makes it all the more unlikely that he would be the ptbnl. So they should have started Gonzalez. That it no way suggests that it was part of some complex, crazy trade or dfa plan.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there.
Sometimes a stupid decision is just a stupid decision, such as bringing up a left-handed pitcher to pitch in Fenway Park…on short rest…who can’t throw strikes…even in AAA ball.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 8, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether you think it was part of some complex plan or not
That’s exactly what happened.
dude got called up on short rest to start against the friggin red sox, got shelled, and got sent back down.
It makes no sense.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 8, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dana is a wookie?
that makes no sense.
by Future Ed on Jul 8, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to spend the time required to figure out how all of this works
but my time is limited, so I think I’ll get a Ph.D in aerospace engineering instead.
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by jeepers on Jul 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher is too much for Hairston...
Ridiculous… A 29yr old Career .250 hitter with some pop. Honestly, is Billy focused solely on Harry and the Hammers transfer dealings and just ignoring Forst and the A’s?
Tottenham > A’s ?
Harden = Gallagher = Hairston…
Harden does not equal Hairston. My mathematical world has broken down around me.
If Ziegler blows a save... I'll flag his next post.
by gdub171 on Jul 8, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Harden's ERA is currently over 5, Why is everyone still lamenting over that, and Gallagher
is not Cy Young.
by theblackpearl on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Rich Harden is currently struggling
Doesn’t mean that trade didn’t suck. His peripherals are still pretty good, and for once he’s actually healthy.
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by walk off bunt on Jul 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, no, he's not healthy...
the Cubs, however, don’t have an interest in putting him on the DL every time he’s a little bit hurt. They need to squeeze maximum value out of him before he falls apart permanently.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 8, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG ALL WE GOT IN RETURN FOR AN OFT INJURED STARTER WITH AN ERA OVER FIVE
IS A STARTING CENTER FIELDER WHO HAS SOME POWER
by bobnothing on Jul 8, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real prize
is clearly Corey Wimberly.
by oblique on Jul 8, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real prize is clearly Corey Wimberly’s stirrups
Fixed.
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by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
You do realize that Harden also was insanely, insanely injury prone
All the talent in the world won’t serve you right if you’re as freaking inconsistent as Harden is and injury prone to bat. Beane had to trade Harden then, as there was a pretty damn huge chance he would’ve gone down with an injury soon after, considering his injury history and that he hadn’t pitched a full season in years. Look at his 2006 and 2007 IP totals. Beane sold high on Harden.
And, the A’s got Josh Donaldson in that deal too. And there’s still hope for Patterson.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paterson
Wont get a shot with the A’s. I think he will added into the holliday trade. We have pettit and pennington to hold down the fort until Weeks/veldez/cardenas/Green come up
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 8, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson should get a shot though.
Patterson is a better hitter than Petit, and its not even close. And, even if Patterson sticks in a super utility role, that’s fine.
A lot of Patterson’s struggles are more characteristic of a MAJOR flaw in Cubs’ player development in the minor leagues (as in a LOT of Cubs prospects/prospect busts have had those same characteristics, and the Cubs haven’t developed anything in the hitting development recently outside of Soto) more than they are in Patterson.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as in coaching is fixing the problems.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
consider it a not great trade for both teams
harden will not be resigning with cubs
patterson is it really his fault they are not giving him a shot. IMO just hisbat has more upside than a sweeney.
Donaldson leads the texas league inwalks/doubles from thecatchers position that isnt so bad.
WImberly looked like anice find before getting injured. A speed/leadoff type hitter this system lacks
its an ok haul for an injury prone harden plus saving 7 mill(though you can argue they didnt spend it well now if it was used for giambi,cabrera, or springer). the haul of players probably isnt as bad as what meyer/thomas/cruz gave them
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really fail to see the problem
The A’s got some value for a player that a year later has none. If they’d kept him at that stage and held out for a better offer, that wasn’t forthcoming, can you imagine the outcry now?
by bobnothing on Jul 8, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After this season, Harden might come cheap: sign Harden in the offseason!
convert him into a closer/setup man. Ziggy/Harden/Bailey FTW!
by cityplANner on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add Devine to that
And HRod, Demel, Carignan could be added to that.
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by vignette17 on Jul 8, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would honestly try to sign one of Duke or Harden to a 1 year, incentive laden deal
1. Oakland is the place to go if you’re a pitcher who wants to prove himself and audition for a big contract.
2. Outman will be out for a while. If Simmons is ready next year, that’s great, but maybe. Personally, I think Cahill needs more time in AAA, and needs to be sent there now. He may need upwards of a half season to full season in AAA. And, you’re always going to have injuries in the rotation, and maybe some regression.
Personally, I think Duke will end up coming cheaper and more willing to pitch out of the pen.
Then try to move Wuertz and maybe Ziggy to whoever wants to overpay, which I’m betting a lot of teams will, either at the deadline or during the offseason.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing...
harden will not be resigning with cubs
I wouldn’t be too quick to say that. Jim Hendry is a moron, and the Cubs have nothing in the farm system, didn’t do well in the draft this year IMO, and major payroll issues especially with those LOLbackloaded contracts. I still can see the Cubbies overpaying for Harden in the offseason.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Harden = Gallagher, parts of Wimberly/Holliday, whatever we’re going to trade Patterson for (it’ll happen this year), sweet sleeper prospect Donaldson.
Only one of those = Hairston.
by cityplANner on Jul 8, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton wasn't part of the Holliday trade
Neither was Embree. Still both are on the Rockies, making 1/5 of the 2009 Rockies roster 2008 A’s.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Jul 8, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton wasn't?
Was it Murton for Wimberly straight up and CarGon/Smith/Street for Holliday in two independant trades?
by cityplANner on Jul 8, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston is a late bloomer, only take his last 2 years into consideration when talking about him, like Cust (pre-09).
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ibañez, too
Still, as a general rule, I don’t like banking on a dude without much of a major league track record to magically become a competent everyday player at age 29.
by Joey C. on Jul 8, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a general rule, sure.
But perhaps Billy sees something in the numbers that we don’t?
by LoneStranger on Jul 9, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps he just sees "general rule" as allowing for "occasional exceptions"
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
travis banwart promoted to AAA
related to the eveland move?
temporary replacement?
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 8, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a thought and a question
If a player is DFA’d then traded, does that mead he’s off the 40-man roster of the team that got him?
I ask this because looking at San Diego, I believe they have a full 40-man roster. So they could only add someone who’s off the 40-man, right?
If these are true I’d said Eveland is the PTBNL
by El Cerrito Steve on Jul 8, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the player is on the 40 man roster on the sending team, the receiving team would have to clear 40 man space.
But that’s not uncommon. You’ll usually see at the bottom of trade announcements the other moves that had to take place in the org to make room. There is some leeway in when this has to happen. I think it is before the player reports to the new team, which is usually within a day or two.
by LoneStranger on Jul 8, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I think (hope?) this is it. Maybe they’d rather keep their bottom player on the 40-Man rather than Eveland. So Beane optional waivers him (which costs the A’s nothing, and has no risk), and then sends him to the Padres.
This lets the Padres stash him in AAA without ever having to send down one of their 40-Man Players.
by ohmangoAs on Jul 8, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland as the PTBNL....
I don’t buy the idea that eveland is the possible ptbnl because we needed him for a spot-start. If we needed someone for a spot-start, why not just use Edgar Gonzalez?
by MAC Attack on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All guessing
I suspect it’s Gallagher because he has more upside than Eveland or Simmons, and Towers is happy. The arguments have been made above.
Not sure why I’m seeing anybody looking at Patterson in a positive light. He’s shown in multiple trips to the A’s that along with being unable to hit MLB pitching at present, he’s a lousy fielder no matter what position he plays. He probably should get another shot with a different team and who knows, could pull it together. So he’s at best trade bait.
I think Beane knows what he’s doing, and this is an extension of his plan at the start of the year to have sufficient hitting back-up so that the young pitchers don’t feel they need to pitch a shut-out every time out, that there’s enough firepower to come back from a small hole. Giambi and Chavez and Cabrera and Holliday and Nomar were all supposed to fill that need, but Cabrera and Holliday have been underperforming, Nomar’s become very part-time, and Giambi and Chavez didn’t work out. The addition of Hairston means the A’s have a stronger team, as Beane wanted. Gallagher and Eveland are both Dead Men Walking in the organization, so dumping either or both is no big deal, no matter what the upsides. Keeping Buck in AAA is another matter, though.
by richwol1 on Jul 8, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This:
Gallagher and Eveland are both Dead Men Walking in the organization, so dumping either or both is no big deal, no matter what the upsides.
To whatever extent Harden-for-Gallagher-etc was a bust, it was already a bust this spring when Gallagher didn’t even make the opening day roster. I don’t know what happened that changed Gallagher from last year’s holy grail to this year’s deep in the doghouse, but whatever it was, it happened months ago, not right now with this trade.
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by iglew on Jul 8, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Ryan released - Lets pick that terd up!
league min…I would take him
by ryanmoser on Jul 8, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bLOLue jays
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...No thx.
He has a hard time throw 85 now a days.
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by Syphon on Jul 8, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Edgar Gonzalez?
my wife throw’s harder…
If healthy, I would sign him for league min
by ryanmoser on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. Ryan looks freakishly like Eric Byrnes
It’s weird.
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by Nico on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I hope other teams follow
in releasing their big names. Namely the A’s, although if Hendry has any sort of baseball intelligence, Milton Bradley is released ASAP.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Gray was called up to replace him
…Yay?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were hoping for something more black and white?
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by Nico on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, just something white
Like Everidge
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 8, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Everidge added to the 40-man?
Since Gray was just called up, and he was already on the 40-man, we have a spot open. Who took it?
by nomorequada on Jul 8, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have one open
It’s Eveland again
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 9, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more expecting those sort of things to happen post trading deadline
just in case the A’s are able to make a trade with some team who likes veteran grit more than current playing value.
perhaps the Eveland thing was done to put players on notice? As in, look, don’t get complacent about your job, (Mr Giambi)
by bobnothing on Jul 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby at 1B
watch out now…
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 8, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Rolen anyone?
Rosenthal just posted the Jays will look at offers for him, Id trade Simmons for him, straight up.
We need as much 3B/SS depth as possible. Kennedy is terrible against lefties and needs to never be facing them. Rolen is mashing and healthy and can play 1B/3B. Win?
by PL78 on Jul 8, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible idea.
We could just call Everidge up. He kills lefties and plays 1B/3B.
by nomorequada on Jul 8, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A. Everidge has exactly zero major league hits against LHP,
so it’s a bit premature to suggest that he mashes against them, and
2. You’re comparing someone whose defense is apparently not good enough to get into the A’s batting lineup with said hitting to a player who was, in his prime, one of the best defensive 3Bmen in the game.
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by Nico on Jul 8, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Everidge's minor league splits...
He just absolutely destroys lefties.
Sure, Rolen’s a better player, but Everidge is younger, more durable, and a far better per-dollar player.
by nomorequada on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MINOR league splits
Look at Eric Patterson’s stats, and Dan Johnson’s too. If the A’s felt Everidge could mash LHP and could field decently at 3B, you don’t think he’d be on the major league roster by now? I do.
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but with the stats he’s put up, he certainly deserves a shot, especially with G at first.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is something disagree with which I cannot.
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(with which you cannot disagree)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 10, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you aren't going to not disagree with me,
I wouldn’t not want Everidge to abstain from not getting to put on an A’s jersey ASAP
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 10, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, iglew. My version's funnier.
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by Nico on Jul 10, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought Dana Eveland would command a thread with 170+ comments
"I am not pleased with myself."
- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First thing he's commanded all year.
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by Nico on Jul 8, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
drum roll...
cymbal….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Joe Morgan's going to think Beane wrote the movie too..." -whitshoes40
"What am I going to do, seriously? Maybe be a bouncer at strip joints. That's about all I'm qualified to do." -Giambi
by ST on Jul 8, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Queue onomatopoeia
BA DUM TISH!
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 10, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just got optioned back to Sacramento
according to this press release from the A’s
by OaklandSi on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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