Dana Eveland: The PTBNL for Hairston?
I think it's very likely that Dana Eveland is the PTBNL that will be joining Craig Italiano and Ryan Webb en route to San Diego in exchange for Scott Hairston.
I think San Diego and Oakland's recent roster decisions have hinted at this. Here's why:
1. Today, the Padres DFA'd their current fifth starter, Walter Silva. Silva has been very bad in his six starts for the Padres this year, and the team desperately needs to patch up the back of its rotation. Injuries to Jake Peavy, Chris Young, Shawn Hill, and Cha Seung Baek have left the team scrambling for 5th-starter options...and frankly, there just aren't any left.
2. The Padres won't need a fifth starter again until Saturday. Eveland, having thrown only 71 pitches today, could potentially pitch Saturday on short rest.
3. As mentioned on AN in the epic 700-comment Hairston thread, Padres GM Kevin Towers has stated that the PTBNL is between two SP candidates, at least one of whom has major-league service time. Eveland fits that description.
4. The A's may have sort of "created" the opportunity for Eveland to pitch today. Admittedly, I'm going out on a limb here, and I don't mean to be disrespectful to Dallas Braden or his family in any way, but stay with me for second: Today was Dallas Braden's scheduled start. He is away from the team on bereavement leave, which is a 3-to-7 day period of time in which a player can leave the team in the event of a "family emergency or death of a loved one." When a player is on the bereavement list, he continues to accrue service time but the team is allowed to call up an active player to replace him until the player comes back from bereavement. That means Braden is probably skipping only one start. What's unusual, though, is that I haven't seen a reported reason given for Braden's bereavement leave. Teams often include that information in the press release. Pure speculation, but perhaps the timing of Braden hoping to visit a sick relative coincided with the A's wanting to find an opportunity to give Eveland a major-league start. Which brings us to Eveland's start today...
5. I would be curious if the Padres had a scout in the stands for Eveland's start today. I think today might have been planned showcase of Eveland. Granted, he didn't pitch well, but he was yanked really early, even for a struggling starter. He threw only 71 pitches. That leads me to believe the intent was to show, "See? His velocity is fine, and he's demonstrably healthy. And, he'll be fresh when he throws for you guys this Saturday." From the Padres' perspective - potentially acquiring a long-term asset/project - proving Eveland's health and velocity are far more important than the box score results of his pitching today.
6. Eveland is out of options after this year. Therefore, the A's would be far more desirous to move him than, say, James Simmons, who doesn't even have to be added to the 40-man roster yet. This is an important point: Simmons still has several years and all three option seasons to grow and develop as an asset to the A's; Eveland's time to be a productive asset on the A's is running short. If, for example, Eveland was pitching poorly next spring, the team would be forced to release him, knowing that he had no more options and that he couldn't break camp with the team as a productive American League pitcher. In that scenario, the A's would effectively lose Eveland for absolutely nothing, which is exactly what happened to Dan Meyer last offseason. That's not the case with Simmons, whose AAA struggles aren't as big of a problem because he's a less time-sensitive case. Worst-case scenario, Simmons could be added to the 40-man roster and operate as the team's 6th or 7th starter, shuttling up and down between Sac and Oakland as injuries dictate during the course of his three option seasons. That has value: Every big league team ends up needing seven starters during the course of a season. This example clearly shows how, even in a worst-case crystal ball projection for Simmons, his contract flexibility as an unpurchased contract makes him far more attractive to the A's than Eveland, with his expiring options status after this season.
7. I mentioned Dan Meyer as my example for a reason. I realize he's stranded an unsustainable amount of runners, but I would argue that Dan Meyer has pitched well by any measure this year. Remember, this is a guy who was basically kicked out of the American League last year. And now he's thriving. How does that relate to Dana Eveland? Because Dana Eveland's best chance of being a serviceable major league starter again is by heading to the National League, too. And, as Chad Gaudin and Kevin Correia can attest, the best opportunity of all exists in the pitcher's haven of Petco Park.
My thoughts are that it would be a good trade for both sides. You can disagree if you like, but I firmly believe it's easier to pitch in the National League (and the mounting sabermetric commentary and interleague play results would support that conclusion), and I also believe that teams can get away with carrying inferior 4th and 5th starters in the NL as a result. Eveland does not have the stuff to ever be a good American League starter, IMO. The A's have at least six guys ahead of him on the depth chart, all of whom do have the stuff to be good American League starters. By trading him to the Padres, the A's would be extracting some value from a player who they might lose for nothing as early as next April, due to his out-of-options status. From the Padres point of view, they get a guy who will take the ball every five days, which they desperately need.
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Yes please!
I can’t see how anyone watching could choose Eveland over “other guy,” but hey — go for it, Padres!
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by Nico on Jul 7, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Braden
I read in another thread that the family emergency was his grandmother’s heart attack.
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by gigglingone on Jul 7, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope his grandma gets better. I wish all the best to Dallas and his family.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 7, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I hadn't read that.
I’m am sorry for the error, and thank you for telling me gigglingone.
I screwed up there, and I’m sorry for my speculation about Braden’s bereavement. I do not mean to undermine his or the team’s concern for his grandmother’s health.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 7, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd noted the reason in the open thread for tonight's game.
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by Flashfire on Jul 7, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is actually a better explanation
That the A’s needed a spot starter for today only due to Braden’t bereavement, which they knew about when making the trade, and they didn’t want to start Simmons clock. Therefore they asked the Pads if they could borrow Eveland for a start and then trade him later to them. I think that is the best logic that makes him the PTBNL.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By which you mean...
I think that is the bestlogic that makes him[rationalization for our wishful thinking that he’s] the PTBNL.
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by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly... Its Gallagher or both Towers is an idiot and DePo has no power.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 8, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the reason is still valid
They couldve started Edgar Gonzalez, or moved up a guy. They brought up Eveland instead.
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by harendaman365 on Jul 8, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, he really loves that lady, too
Hopefully, she pulls through.
by Joey C. on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminiscent of Swisher and his grandmother
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by Helloooo 1st on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like his grandma is doing better
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by adragon on Jul 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it is Eveland.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was the grandmother.
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by Nico on Jul 7, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound too sure.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 7, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather have Eveland be the PTBNL than Gallagher, as others speculated.
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by mikev on Jul 7, 2009 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was rumored to be Gallagher, but that was yesterday
It does kind of seem like Beane may have been rolling the dice with this start. Eveland wasn’t exactly setting the PCL on fire during his time with Sacramento, but if he put together a decent start, then perhaps Towers would choose him and take him off Beane’s hands. If that’s the case, I had high hopes for Eveland (3-4 starter if he could figure out how to throw strikes consistently) but at this point he’s pretty much expendable and I don’t think I’ll miss him too much.
by NateHST on Jul 7, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolling the Dice in Boston
Not a good idea. That’s like taking 2-1 Odds on Snake Eyes on the craps table. Even Beane isn’t that foolish, is he? Maybe he is.
Great Post, but I think Gallagher is the Padres target. They will probably wait to choose the PTBNL after Gallagher shows he’s healthy enough.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 7, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what could it hurt?
Let’s say the PTBNL could be between Gallagher and Eveland (even though Towers hinted that ony one of the players had MLB experience). Obviously the A’s aren’t going too far this year, so the loss doesn’t hurt. Say he doesn’t call Eveland up; Towers probably chooses Gallagher. But if he did call him up and Eveland pitched well, then he may choose him. If not, he chooses Gallagher anyways. It really couldn’t hurt that bad either way.
by NateHST on Jul 7, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it was a showcase for a trade, Eveland just blew it
Thanks, Dana
by cityplANner on Jul 7, 2009 7:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Though the Padres aren't likely to play in Fenway very much
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by Flashfire on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is indeed Dana,
I see nothing positive in this trade for Towers/SD.
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by travdog6 on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is more wishful thinking than anything else
i’ve already said bye to gallagher
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it's mostly wishful thinking by A's fans.
First of all, Towers was said to be excited by the ptbnl he’s getting. Who would you show excitement towards, a 23 year old pitching prospect with good stuff and lots of potential, albeit with injury issues (Gallagher) or the 25 year old pitcher with a ceiling of a #4 starter and hasn’t even managed to pitch at that level this season? Who would you rather have? Between Eveland and Gallagher, it’s no contest.
Also, as some has been speculating, if Towers is making the choice between Eveland and Gallagher, then it makes no sense for the A’s to audition Eveland today against the Red Sox in Fenway on three days rest (assuming the A’s want the Padres to choose Eveland rather than Gallagher, which is a rather logical assumption). No, it’s more likely the choice has already been made, in that the Padres have already chosen Gallagher, and are just waiting for him to come off the DL.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selling low on Gallagher, then.
and buying WAY fucking high on Hairston.
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by mikev on Jul 7, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Exactly, and that doesn't sound like a good thing to me.
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by winchester5 on Jul 7, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more concerned about selling low on Gallagher
Yea Hairston is hitting .297/.355/.540 right now for a wOBA of .391 and he’s likely not going to approach those numbers during any extended period of time with the A’s, but when saying you “bought high” I think it’s more important to look at the price paid rather than the recent performance of the player acquired.
Gallagher, Webb, Italiano is way below what you would expect to have to pay for a couple cost-controlled years of a good defensive CF who puts up a .391 wOBA. It’s not like the A’s threw a bunch of top prospects in based on a good half-season. Hairston’s zips projection for the rest of the season is a wOBA of .357, even if we consider that it is overly optimistic for Hairston I think that if he can put up .340-.350 wOBA while playing good defense in center and providing right handed power for a team that desperately needs it then the price of Gallagher, Webb, Italiano is not that high.
So while I am concerned that Gallagher could have regained some value and brought more in return later I’m not really worried that the A’s overpaid that much for Hairston.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 8, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of SD are you from?
by throttle mathius on Jul 8, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually not there any more
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by DiegoAsFan on Jul 8, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really good explanation of how I feel.
I expect Hariston to put up a .345 wOBA and 0 to 5 RAA defense in center which makes him a 3.5 WAR Player if he plays all year without getting hurt. Gallagher is one of those bets that he won’t reach his potential, if he is the PTBNL. If Gallagher is the PTBN later I like the trade, if it isn’t and it is someone like Eveland, it is a Frickin’ A deal.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher might be one of those guys who won't find his potential
unless he gets away from the A’s. I think they soured on him at the beginning of the season when he got upset at not being selected for the rotation. Then they got mad at him, and it sort of spiraled from there. If he hadn’t have gotten upset, maybe both sides would be in a better frame of mind and he’d be in the rotation by now.
It’s hard to blame the guy for getting upset. Who would choose being a long reliever over a starter as a job? Maybe he could have handled it better and waited for his shot.
by LoneStranger on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's more to this story
Look don’t get me started about this A’s organization and their “leadership”. Its horrible and has nothing to do with Gallagher getting upset about not making rotation. Theirs more to this story than what is being said.
by granja on Jul 9, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which story? Gallagher?
I’m sure there is, but so far, nobody is talking.
by LoneStranger on Jul 9, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you looking for when you say leadership?
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by travdog6 on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone who shouldn't sell if his IQ hits 75?
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to that +1.
If its Eveland…I like the deal….Gallagher….I dont.
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by winchester5 on Jul 7, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There can't be anyway that it's Eveland
He’s just not a good pitcher and really doesn’t have any chance any more of being a good one. Gallagher, on the other hand, has all the potential in the world and would make sense as the centerpiece, again, of a trade.
That being said I hope its Eveland over Gallagher because that would just be awesome.
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by Helloooo 1st on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree it's not Eveland.
If they wanted Eveland, they could have scouted him in the minors and had him the day the trade went down. Gallagher’s status on the DL is the most logical explanation, IMO, for the delay. Gallagher fits the profile of an up and coming power arm with a big upside, but the problem there is that he’s not healthy. So as insurance, they have another top minor league prospect (Simmons is my guess) in case they aren’t happy with what they see when Gallagher returns. Simmons is not a power arm but is a strikeout pitcher.
Note the Padres are NOT choosing between Gallagher and Eveland, since they said only ONE of the pitchers under consideration has MLB service time. My guess that somebody is Gallagher.
by smokelanda on Jul 7, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Eveland was listed as a PTBNL
because the A’s had no one else available to make the start today and would send him to the Pads as soon as he hit the showers. From a common sense perspective, Towers is getting ripped off if the PTBNL is Dana, so I’m making peace with the loss of Gallagher (I fell in love with him after his first start, although he never had a good one again).
Even if it is Gallagher, he hasn’t proven much of anything except an ability to piss off management, be inconsistent, and land on the DL. If Hairston can hit anywhere close to his .300/.530 line in SD (a terrible hitters park, so one would think it’s feasible), I’d say this deal is a win.
On another note, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hairston just sucked the rest of the year. I think the ballpark has very little to do with the A’s inability to hit well. Not hitting is contagious, and I bet even if Pujols came in and replaced Holliday, he would put up terrible numbers compared to what he is used to. The organizational approach to hitting needs to change. Too many highly touted prospects never amount to anything because they either get hurt, or can’t produce beyond the AAA level. The mentality of the way the A’s develop hitters needs to change.
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by diehardoaklandfan22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they could have started Egon, and I’ve never heard of a team saying “Ok hang on to him one more day since you are in a pinch.”
I think you are right about making peace about Gallagher. I think he’s out of here if he comes back healthy.
As for Hairston, statistically speaking, we should expect regression to the mean for him, meaning it’s a safer bet to say he’ll be worse with the A’s than to say he’ll be better with the A’s. Still think it’s a great pick up though.
by smokelanda on Jul 7, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the trade.
They are giving up on Gallagher way to early and for way too little.
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by winchester5 on Jul 7, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't know.
I was never really high on Gallagher, but if we are right and he’s the PTBNL, this trade essentially amounts to a three way deal in which we ultimately net Hairston for Harden.
by smokelanda on Jul 7, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about wimbley and wuertz.
You know things are bad when Bobby Crosby doesn't have the lowest batting average of any starter, yet he's hitting .138. Yes, you're 2009 Oakland Athletics.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on Jul 7, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz wasn't part of that trade party
Wuertz was dealt to the A’s for Richie Robnett and Justin Sellers.
If it’s Gallagher, it was basically:
Rich Harden
FOR
Scott Hairston
Josh Donaldson
Corey Wimberly
Eric Patterson
Quantity over quality, but Harden’s been crap this year. I’d do this again in a heartbeat.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you're going to include the other minor pieces
you need to put down Italiano and Webb on the debit side, too.
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by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Harden
Webb
Italiano
FOR
Hairston
Donaldson
Wimberly
Patterson
I still am fine with it. We are pitching-heavy and hitting-light. Three pitchers for four hitters. Works for me.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and add Gaudin to the top portion
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by Kallus on Jul 8, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean 1 hitter, 1 solid prospect
and two guys who might make your Little League All-Star team. “Four hitters”? … hardly.
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by Vacafan on Jul 8, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting distinction
You won’t allow Wimberley and Patterson to be described “hitters” but you have no problem calling Webb and Italiano “pitchers”. Patterson and Wimberley may never amount to much in the majors but they are clearly more valuable than Webb and Italiano.
Biased much?
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's definitley eveland
He’s only one part of the trade and he seems like a guy towers would want. A pitcher who has pitched in ML already who could succeed in NL especially at petco. And I have a hard time believeing beane would have gallagher part of this trade. He may not be part of our future but gallagher would be a nice piece to add to a holliday or ocab deal to get better prospects.
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by jnm on Jul 7, 2009 8:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He pitched for 3 years in the NL
ok the first year and bad the second two. Then he did better when he moved to tha AL.
by JetSam on Jul 7, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think his doing better had more to do with being on team that finds a way to develop their pitchers
that being said, i definitely see him being able to follow the gaudin and correia mold where he can become a decent #3 starter for the padres in the NL
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by diehardoaklandfan22 on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
If gally were in the deal we wouldn’t need to add prospects instead we would be getting additional prospects. To me its funny how the gally part of this deal took on so much life as well as simmons. A’s fans have lost faith in Eveland but the rest of baseball hasn’t. I will bet a good amount of money that it is eveland and that is the reason he started yesterday. Simmons is more plausible than gally.
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by throttle mathius on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I will take that bet.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say I’m 100% certain it’s Gallagher, but I do confidently feel it’s far more likely to be him than Eveland. Enough so that I’d happily put some money on it.
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by iglew on Jul 8, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting for some one to say that.
I was more using it as a figure of speech. I just think this has taken a snowball effect. People feel it is Gally because that is who they would want. But remember we also threw in 2 prospects. If the trade includes Sean there would be no need to include Italiano or Webb. I could be wrong but people are talking like it is him/Simmons as if it has already been announced.
by throttle mathius on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense
Gallagher is on the DL. Eveland could have been traded straight away. Would Towers tell the media that he is excited about Eveland? You are in denial if you still think it is Eveland.
by DeJay on Jul 9, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be shocked if it's Eveland
The A’s have done some weird roster moves, but I don’t think some sort of phony bereavement leave is likely so Eveland can start in Fenway.
The Padres have two choices:
— Guy With Major League Experience. That sounds like Gallagher. The PTBNL status makes it more likely to be Gallagher, because they want to see if he’s injured in a more serious way. Towers was “excited” by the prospect, and Beane seems to have soured on Gallagher.
— Someone With No MLB Experience. That’s probably a backup plan, just in case Gallagher’s injury is more serious.
In theory, it could be Eveland, but then it’s just a stupid trade by the Padres. Gallagher may or may not become a good major league starter. Eveland is fifth starter material at best. And he’s healthy now, so there would be no reason to wait.
by bear88 on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The A’s have done some weird roster moves, but I don’t think some sort of phony bereavement leave is likely so Eveland can start in Fenway.
Me neither, but I do get a kick out of these conspiracy theories and this type of thinking outside the box. Gotta stay on your toes!
by smokelanda on Jul 8, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is it stupid?
2 spects and a major league capable arm for a slightly above average cf?
People are over valuing Hairston now.
by throttle mathius on Jul 8, 2009 10:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lets be a little more specific with Webb and Italiano
I’d call them more minor league arms than “prospects”. I know it’s just semantics but I think we need to be careful about the connotation regarding these two. Neither would crack the A’s top 20 prospect list and would probably be a stretch to make it onto the Padres list. They are largely filler along the lines of Sellers in Robnett.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then why throw them in at all?
They obviously have value they were needed to tip the scale, this lleads me to think the scale needed some tipping.
by throttle mathius on Jul 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's just a difference in valuation
I think that Hairston is slightly more valuable than Gallagher but way more valuable than Eveland. Italiano and Webb can make up that slight value difference but would not put much of a dent in the difference between Hairston and Eveland in my opinion.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Eveland.
DFA right after the game….
by equation9 on Jul 7, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess so long gallagher
Now I don’t think I like this trade if it’s gallagher. We give up on gallagher and take a lot of playing time away from buck/Cunningham untill holliday situation is resolved.
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by jnm on Jul 7, 2009 10:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
Hate this trade.
Buying high on Hairston and selling low on Gallagher? Is it just me or does that seem pretty stupid?
I don’t see Hairston having any real future with the A’s…maybe they traded for him to trade him to the Mets? I heard they were interested before the A’s got him. I guess its a possibility.
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by winchester5 on Jul 7, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Unless hariston is flipped before the deadline(and everything I’ve read he isn’t)
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by jnm on Jul 7, 2009 10:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But that could be talk in order to get other teams to offer more for him.
Just like we aren’t shopping Holliday. ;)
by LoneStranger on Jul 8, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A proven major leaguer in Hairston for a guy with potential
Hairston is no savior, but he’s a middle of the order bat and a starting center fielder. That in itself is currently worth more than a guy who’s maybe going to materialize into a tail-end of the rotation starter.
by smokelanda on Jul 7, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a pretty good to fair trade even with Gallagher...
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "future"
I don’t see Hairston having any real future with the A’s
I see Hairston as a regular in the A’s lineup for half of 2009, all of 2010 and all of 2011. That’s not enough future for you? No, it’s not long-term, but it’s not just a rental either.
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by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what does this mean for Cunningham, Buck, or Sweeney?
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by winchester5 on Jul 8, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by the way this season has gone?
Plenty of time on the bench while Cust plays RF, Giambi is DH, and Crosby is at 1B
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by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some combination of
trade, bust, bench player, or the other two outfield positions.
The way I see it, each of those guys has somewhere between 25% and 50% chance of turning out good enough to be a regular part of a decent lineup, which averages out to about one player. We still have room for one player. And Buck doesn’t play CF anyway.
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by iglew on Jul 8, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
being DFA'd does not change his potential status in a trade.
It gives the A’s 10 days to trade or release him.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 7, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it is unlikely the A's would screw him around by having him pitch 3 innings
then DFA him exposing him to the rest of the league if he was in fact one of the two pitchers on the PTBNL list. I think some people need to accept that Gallagher and most likely Simmons are on that list.
by DeJay on Jul 8, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA means they have to trade or release him
it does not “expose him to the rest of the league”.
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by harendaman365 on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, if he clears waivers
he can go back to Sacto.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong but
all AL teams would have an opportunity to claim Eveland before the Padres. Then the A’s would have to negotiate a trade with said AL team, pull him from waivers, or release, hence “expose him to the rest of the league”.
Either way starting Eveland on short rest after he had been agreed as a PTBNL would hardly be sporting conduct would it?
by DeJay on Jul 8, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is completely correct.
Either way starting Eveland on short rest after he had been agreed as a PTBNL would hardly be sporting conduct would it?
Yeah, I agree with this as well. More reason to think this isn’t the PTBNL. And because Towers is not that stupid.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a good discussion of this on the other thread about Eveland being DFA'ed
Turns out this is a special case of DFA in which the player only has to clear “optional” waivers after 48 hours, and then is automatically shipped back to AAA (or something to that effect). As I understood it, the reason they had to DFA him and have him clear optional waivers is because he has over three years of service time in the MLB. However, according to Forst, it is highly unlikely that he will not clear waivers, meaning his DFA is something of a procedural red-tape and not anything to get our panties rumpled about.
by smokelanda on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rawr
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by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, kitty kitty.
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by mikev on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it when Forst talks about panties.
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by iglew on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about player-to-be-named-later?
a) Has this player already been determined?
b) If the answer to “a” is yes, stop reading the rest of this silliness. If not, how do Kevin and Billy hash it out? Does Kevin have a selected list of players of whom he can select? Do they simply flip a coin? Does each player go through a Fear Factor-esque series of events? TELL ME!
by Pucking Insane on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The way PTBNL work...
generally speaking a list of acceptable players to both sides is created, a time frame for a decision is determined, and one side is designated with getting to pick who on the list they want and the designated time.
This is unless a PTBNL is a PTBNL for other reasons like they cant be traded at the time the trade is consumated because they were drafted less than a year ago, or they won’t get through waivers on a deal that is made after the trade deadline.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about PTBNL
A. Towers has both players names as they have already agreed on this.
B. The reason for this could be that a player involved could be on the DL and they are waiting for player to be medically cleared.
Just also wanted to add that Towers has to name said player within a certain timeframe meaning that he couldn’t drag this out. As speculated Towers and Beane have already agreed on the names of the two players.
by granja on Jul 8, 2009 5:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
re: eveland starting last night
assuming it wasn’t connected to the trade, why the hell couldn’t they have just bumped the rotation up and pitched some people on short rest? i was really frustrated by seeing eveland’s name and his career stats against the sox. starting egon would have been better. really, anything would have been better. maybe they could have borrowed swisher from the yankeers for a night.
by jlanning17 on Jul 8, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's an awful, awful idea when
almost all your starters need to be on strict IP counts anyway. You don’t bump the rotation up, especially since Monday wasn’t an off day.
I agree with you on EGon starting though.
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by Blicks on Jul 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Chad Reineke a while back
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