Scott Hairston Traded to Oakland A's for Two Minor League Pitchers and a PTBNL
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
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The A's always seem to try and get a jump on the trading deadline. Today is no different. The A's decided to acquire Scott Hairston from the San Diego Padres today for Ryan Webb, Craig Italiano and a PTBNL.
I like this deal a lot. It gives the A's a very good outfielder under control until 2011. It also affords the A's the flexibility to move Matt Holliday when the time and the right deal comes along. And if it doesn't come along, then the A's can take those draft picks and know that they have someone in the outfield to replace Holliday when he walks.
At the same time, there have already been quite a few who have speculated that the A's are trying to make a Holliday deal even more attractive for someone else by throwing in Hairston in a deal with Holliday. But Hairston seems like one of those guys who was probably on a Billy Beane most wanted list and that often means that he's going to keep you until he can't afford to anymore.
Hairston looks even better if he can play center field for the A's. Then again, the A's have put Ryan Sweeney out there a bunch this year and I could see Hairston actually being an upgrade over Sweeney at that position, both with the bat and the glove.
Paul DePodesta weighs in on the deal here. Here's an excerpt:
While trading Scott is difficult and not without risk, especially given his excellent production this season, this move provides us with some young power arms with big upside - a real need for us - while also allowing for other young players to continue to amass Major League at-bats in our outfield.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if that PTBNL is Sean Gallagher. And if it is, then I still think it's a good trade. Gallagher had a lot of potential, but the A's are chock full of young arms with a lot of potential. They need to get a right-handed stick that is under salary control for a while who can provide good defense. This finally plugs that hole and the A's clearly didn't have a lot of faith in Gallagher. We'll see though. It also wouldn't surprise me to see it be someone like Henry Rodriguez. But we'll just have to wait to find out.
Gas Lamp Ball doesn't like the move at all, calling it throwing in the towel on the season.
I understand the Padres have absolutely no chance of doing anything this year, hell everybody knows that except Heath Bell. The problem is that with Hairston gone, the chances of the Padres threatening to score has just been reduced.
The white flag of surrender is being flown above Petco Park. I see it now, the invitation for other teams to rape and pillage. Come one, come all.
I just think ultimately you can never predict what Beane and company are going to do. You expect them to be announcing deals where they're moving Holliday, Orlando Cabrera and Adam Kennedy and instead they come out and acquire someone who helps immediately but also will help for two more years down the road. Beane always talks about being both a buyer and a seller at the deadline with every move.
That's exactly what he was here.
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Great post Blez...
I really like this move by Oakland, but I just hope the PTBNL is Eveland rather than Gallagher.
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the deal
but this also does bring some flashbacks of this trade. trading depth for cheap righty power that was league avg or better and didnt help much. That said, gallagher +2 filler relievers doesnt seem like a huge price since they touched no top prospects and will gain more players to replace the ones that left.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it is Blevins...
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Padres do the trade if it was Blevins
I think we need to accept that the 3rd piece will be the biggest and most likely Gallagher.
by DeJay on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a serious post:
If Garciaparra went to Billy Beane and asked to be traded to a contender like Boston or NYY for a utility role, (assuming a team actually wanted him) what would Beane ask for?
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A bag of balls?
Reimbursement for accumulated medical bills?
Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 6, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane would have to throw in a Mia Hamm-autographed soccer ball to get that kind of return
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bag of balls, jock strap
Anything like that.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the caveat is the problem
‘assuming a team wanted him’
That would be a team that could absorb the downside chance that his injuries persist for the chance that his performance will markedly improve. Depends on what you consider those odds to be.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 6, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a log of Cope Long Cut™
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't kid yourself
he would probably take grizz long cut at this point
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a copy of his old SI mag cover
for BB’s best friend Bob Geren.
Baja been here
by bajablue on Jul 6, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb and Italiano arent even in the A’s best 15 or maybe even 20 prospects. Hairston has a Cust-y aura about him, my Padres fan friends LOVED him, he’s been really good over the last couple years and even though he’s ineligible by a few PA’s, he owns the 3rd highest OPS amongst CF.
Let me repeat that:
Scott Hairston owns the 3rd highest OPS amongst CF. While playing in SD. His home a road splits are EQUAL. He’s a very good hitter and I think many other teams are asking WTF because the 2 guys we gave up will be lucky to be anything. I dont think we will be giving up any of our top 15 prospects here and that makes this a huge, giant WIN trade for us. We have Hairston under control for a while too, which means Buck is probably a goner.
If Hairston throws up an 850+ OPS here then the A’s are winning more games, bottom line.
by PL78 on Jul 6, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I really hope Buck works thing out in Oakland.
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where "thing" = the club's inexplicable reluctance to play him?
Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 6, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
This story is getting tiresome. I just want Buck to play.
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 6, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
... a win for us?
YAAY! WE WIN!!!
Ahh, it feels good to say that. Hasn’t been very often or enthusiastic for me lately. I feel great about this trade now!
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
by popcornjames on Jul 6, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we kill the to-be-packaged-with-Holliday-talk right now?
How often does a contender pick up two good starting outfielders from the same team, and from a team that needs guys that can actually hit from the right side?
Anyway, it doesn’t seem like Blez is buying into it either.
by Mark H on Jul 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%. Harriston was acquired because he's useful.
Holliday could very well be traded with the A’s knowing that his bat can be replaced. This frees Beane up to go for the 3B or SS of the future without really bringing the lineup down.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
by brenarlo on Jul 6, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Billy will be able to trade any of our veterans for a decent return?
I know what your thinking; “define decent return”
Holliday, Cabrera, Giambi, Kennedy, Nomar, Crosby…
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Decent returns...
Holliday, absolutely. He’s worth quite a lot to a contending team that needs a hitter to play LF.
Cabrera could be worth something to a contender whose SS suddenly gets hurt. When people panic, they turn to the familiar, and Cabrera is a veteran with post-season experience, which GMs will over-value if they panic.
Kennedy could be similar to Cabrera, though he’d get less in return.
Giambi, Nomar, and Crosby aren’t worth anything.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 6, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny analogy
ryan ludwick was the jack cust of 08—nelson cruz is the ryan ludwick of 09—-hairston might be the nelson cruz of 2010
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and Bobby Crosby is unemployed in 2010...
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he could make the AAA roster
for the Royals or Rangers…
he should be somewhere, right?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For anyone interested in some hard numbers
jhmoore over at Beyond the Box Score wrote a pretty encompassing article on the trade, especially on the future of Hairston.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/6/939079/oakland-athletics-acquire-scott
by 5Tool on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post by PaulThomas at that link too.
by roscoe on Jul 6, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Paul returns
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, "Me four" is pretty silly, however
Come on PT, don’t make us beg. AN with out PT is like dating a really hot chick with BO…it’s good, but could be better.
concocting something witty....check back frequently
by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im okay with begging I want him back
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God no...
Been there, done that. Not interested in the PT drama/attacks/nonsense. He’s the Milton Bradley of AN.
Back to baseball….
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley Hit
the problem with the great AN schism isn’t the personalities that staid or left. The problem is the death of intellectual content. Free Kraut doesn’t have it either, despite the fact that they have the posters who use to provide AN with the intellectual content. PT might have pissed some off (he made me laugh a lot) but no one can deny that he provide AN with great intellectual content, which this site desperately needs more of.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
It’s unfortunate that he hasn’t matured enough yet to play well with others. Nobody can deny his smarts but the guy could really be a jerk.
Still… most of AN would welcome him back tomorrow!
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly
Bradley has enough talent that teams keep giving the guy more chances and expecting the self-destructive team-killing behavior to change. Folks like that just can’t help themselves, and I have no interest in enabling that in AN again. PT found another stage to perform on, which is good for everyone concerned. There are tons of talented writers and analysts in AN that actually add great value without the personality disorder problems. Let’s build on that and let go of the past.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That’s not insulting in the slightest to those of us who’ve been around since long before you arrived.
OK, I lied. I’m a little insulted.
Allow me to take this moment to address any and all posters who feel that AN is lacking in intellectual content.
STEP. THE FUCK. UP.
If anyone out there wants to wade in hip deep and talk about wOBA or FIP or any of the latest metrics in a non-condescending and instructive way then there is nothing stopping you. Hop on Word, write a little something (use SpellCheck) and post it on AN as a fanpost.
And if you’re too lazy to do that, you’ve got no business complaining about the content on AN.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jul 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn grover
I remember when you used to be the prick around here. Just kidding. Love your posts and will say that you are at the top of AN in regards to useful data!
Thanks for all that you do…
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
grover,
You know that I have a ton of respect for you and the work you put in to AN. I know how long it takes to do things like your excellent Monday Morning Minor League reports. I lurked for a couple of seasons and my level of baseball knowledge grew bases on your, PT, WaddelCanseco, Devo, Notsellingjeans, monkeyball, Sal and many others’ contributions to this blog.
That being said Im trying to step up and write the kind of fanposts that I use to see here with so much more frequency.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't the 1st to make that particular comment
Just the most recent and easiest for me to reply to.
I too would like to see a stronger statistical/analytical presence on AN but I haven’t the time/energy/passion to make it happen. So rather than bemoan what isn’t on AN I focus on making what I contribute as good as possible.
If anyone wants to see more whatever discussed on AN all they have to do is write about it and create a fanpost. And if people are worried that they suck when it comes to writing then the simple trick is to ask questions instead of making statements.
And to use SpellCheck.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And FWIW, I'm happy to see a statistical presence on AN's frong page
But someone has to step forward and say they want to do it. The problem isn’t philosophical, it’s that no one has said they want to do it.
I’m with grover — less complaining, more stepping up, por favor.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure you would put someone on the front page.
But I think that is a de jure step rather than a de facto one.
I don’t speak for the people that left… obviously, since Im still here. I don’t expect you to clone them back into existence, and Im glad to see you endorse PTs return, especially since he is symbolic though obviously things transcend his presence.
But I think the problem is philosophical, I think making assertions about baseball is a debate and you don’t. It goes beyond fanposts or Saturdays, and Im not sure how to bridge that divide because I think that if it isn’t everybody loses me, you, random lurker. Im working on figuring it out because AN is too good for meta to be interrupting good debate about baseball with the frequency that it has.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that Nico doesn't think
it’s a debate. It’s that he (like me) doesn’t define debate as strictly as you do.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 7, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and one more thing
Somebody has to run everything. Usually its way less glorious, requires far more work, and entails far more bitching than it should. The fact that you are trying to run this thing is pretty impressive despite what disagreements I have with how you are choosing to do that.
Now back to TRADE!!!!!! WOOT
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the acknowledgment, seriously
The point I’m trying to make is that I personally am not the right person to write a stats-based front page post. I neither have the time, nor the interest, and I can’t be “best qualified” to do everything. I am, with humility, saying that I am simply not the right person for that particular job.
If someone who is qualified would like to step up, I will gladly reserve a front page spot for them. That’s really all I can do as a leader (support it, endorse it, make space for it), other than do it myself, which I’m not qualified to do.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 7, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the worlds worst speller... always have been always will be
if you want fanposts/comments from me its going to happen.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SpellCheck improves lives
Using a dictionary doesn’t hurt either.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jul 7, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dictionaries are useless for people that cant spell
As for it to be useful you need to know both that you are spelling a word how to spell it correctly in order to look it up. Most seriously overrated invention ever.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like those billboards advertising,
“Can’t read? Enroll in our program…”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good Lord,
I like Paul, but this conversation makes me glad he’s decided to stay away. He’s not even here and everyone is making a big freaking deal about it. If he posts on AN, let him just be a normal guy, not a political issue.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt know
Dan Thomas had a torn labrum!! Dammit!!
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is the impetus to dump Cust
If Hairston hits for average, power and OBP, then it lessens the team’s need for a power hitter who can’t field, like Cust, particularly since the A’s already have Nomar & Giambi & to a lesser degree Powell for DH.
The A’s got two good years out of Cust. I think this is a regression (not that I loved him before, but so many people on AN did) and that he’s a liability as a fielder, and easily replaceable as a DH. He and Giambi right now are the same player, and at the end of the year, Giambi can be replaced by another old timey FA cheap slugger.
Dumping Cust would allow the A’s to perhaps play Buck more than they are.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but then you've decreased your overall slugging and HR production overall
Sadly, the A’s need to add another Cust — especially circa 2007-08 — more than they need to subtract one.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if the occasional homer is worth it
Particularly since it blocks Buck and Cunningham from the major league club. I’d rather take my chances on either of them (or Barton because Giambi would move to DH) than sit through another month of strikeout after strikeout after strikeout after double play, with one homer every two weeks. Not to mention Cust in the outfield.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi blocks Buck and Cunningham, not Cust
Giambi can be released at whim, and put Cust at DH. Cust is the more productive player than Giambi, especially if he starts getting his groove back (which is pretty damn likely).
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Cust’s slump = more likely to be temporary,
Giambi’s slump = age catching up.
I’m going to call Jack Cust coming back rested after the ASB, with his back feeling better, and going on a hitting spree.
That is, of course, unless my one my vote Cust in campain works.
by bobnothing on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cust's slump lasts as long as his stupid new approach does
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you on Cust
It’s hard to believe there are still Kust supporters out there. Obsession with OBP and walks over K’s, poor outfield play, slow base running, and the “Oh, well, I just struck out AGAIN” smirk on the way back to the dugout aren’t worth having the guy in the lineup.
by FurVault on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 HRs for Cust after the ASB. mark it.
assuming he remains with the A’s and gets the same playing time he has pre-break.
by jlanning17 on Jul 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that
If he does hit those 20, most of ’em will come in September against tired arms and call-ups.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 homers to close the season would be impressive regardless
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
irregardless
He should never step into the outfield
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 6, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
irregardless is not a word
just put some windex on that. It’ll clear it right up.
by cityplANner on Jul 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it isnt a word
but i just love to say it and see how people react
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was a perfectly cromulent word...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was in a performance of the seminal film "Cannonball Run 2",
which I can only describe in the world “Crumtrolescent”
by cityplANner on Jul 6, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cust isn't blocking Buck and Cunningham
Buck and Cunningham’s not-so-stellar performance is blocking Buck and Cunningham
by asfansince1989 on Jul 6, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you dump Cust when you can dump Sweeney
Harrison is a good defensive OFer which a huge part of his value and putting him at DH wastes that. Cust is cost controlled and since there is no way we should pick up Giambi’s option he is going to be the only one to be a viable DH next year in the organization.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to shop Sweeney to Kenny Williams
Has he shown that his intelligence is limited? Check.
Is Sweeney an improvement over DeWayne Wise and Brian Anderson? Hell, Rajai Davis is an improvement over the two. So yes.
Is Ryan Sweeney in CF better than Griffey in CF was last year? Absolutely! And speaking of that deal, Kenny actually gave up a top prospect to get Danny Richar, who is Hannahan minus the glove. More evidence of his stupidity.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now where did we get Sweeney from originally?
Hang on, I’ll think of it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KW has reacquired players after trading them though
See: Podsednik, Scott, and Gonzalez, Gio
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also happen to believe he's a much better GM than he's often given credit for being
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Nick Swisher
I’m sure he’s glad to be elsewhere.
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know Hannahan minuse the glove is completely worthless.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hannahan w/o glove
is an empty jersey
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
That’s why I used that analogy. That’s exactly what Richar is. :-)
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you also used the term "top prospect", me confuzzeled.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumping cust would be stupid
trade him. play him only as a DH. but dump the only guy who can hit HR’s IN Oakland, has lead and will lead the team in HR and RBI for the last three years and possibly if not probably the next two is crazy talk.
Don’t like his defense?, not his fault he’s asked to play it. So his avg sucks. who’s dosn’t on this team. he’s hitting 60 points below our team leader (Kennedy) and i bet there final average’s are 20/30 points closer at the end of the year. He’s well worth what little money we pay him to be the power numbers leader of our team. I would guess every other A.L. team, and quite a few N.L. teams (Colorado anyone?) wishes he was there cheap DH or poor fielding OF power hitter/PH.
by OmahaHi on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. Totally agree.
Geren playing him in the field and screwing with his approach is the problem
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rationalizations and excuses
Why do you think Geren screwed with his approach? Cust screwed with Cust’s approach, and because of that, I don’t see a turnaround. If there was going to be a turnaround, we’d be seeing it in the approach now, even if the results weren’t yet happening.
Sure, Cust is cost-controlled for more years. But with another outfielder with power playing every day, there’s less need on the team for a player like Cust, and more need to develop younger players like Barton, Buck, Powell and Cunningham.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cust is great
He’s had an injury and a run of bad luck (.268 09’ vs .319 career babip) although I’m not exactly sure on the proportions. What I do know is that Cust is a steal. He has a Zips projected wOBA of .340 which is average, so not bad for a down year, not to mention that serious sabermetricians such as Bill James project him to have a .383 wOBA, great for a pitchers park. With Hairston, maybe he can become a full time DH and his hitting should only improve from there.
by 5Tool on Jul 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking
Jack Cust, great player, 2009 edition: .723 OPS. That’s adequate for an good fielding infielder, but Cust is a DH/crappy fielder.
More to the point, and why Cust won’t change into the player he was: When Cust swings and hits the ball fair on the first pitch, he’s got a 1.622 OPS. The only comparable counts to that are the hitters’ counts of 2-1 and 3-1.
There is something to be said for Cust. Against righties, he’s got an .812 OPS. Against lefties this year, it’s .567. Maybe he should be platooned.
Last year and the year before, you can argue the guy was “above average” if you want. But great player? Never.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean he was a great player, I just mean't I liked him, but
When I see Jack Cust I see 1105 PA’s from 07’ and 08’ of solid hitting in a difficult park, for basically no money, that’s great. Then there are 317 recent PA’s of below average hitting which can be explained by a substantially low babip. As for platooning I think its a stretch to say that after a measly 114 PA’s against lefties this year he should be platooned when in the previous 2 years he was fairly good against lefties. Yes, he is slumping, but seeing we’re working with a relatively small, yet explainable sample size, I’m not too concerned.
by 5Tool on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers say it all.
The guy screwed with his approach and is swinging way way way more. That’s a fact. I’d give him a shot to change his approach back before judging him as a bad ballplayer.
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by travdog6 on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue with Cust
Cust is not doing as well as last year and the year before because he’s not hitting the fastballs he was then. In 2007 and 2008 he had a 30.0 and 31.2, respectively, wFB (runs above average against a fastball) rating; this year he’s at only 1.3. He’s actually done slightly better against the curve (1.5 this year vs. -1.2 in 2007 and -0.2 in 2008), but at the expense of his fastball-hitting skills.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1564&position=DH/OF#pitchtype
Just in case you want to see the stats for yourself.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point. I haven't seen that issue raised anywhere else.
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by rebus on Jul 6, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm somewhat seeing it now.
April: 16 BB, 2 HR
May: 7 BB, 5 HR
June-July: 14 BB, 7 HR
There’s your improvement. More walks and more HRs.
He’s still grounding out into those weak dribblers in June, but he also had a low BABIP in June, which hurts even more due to that ridiculous groundball approach he had. He’s trying to work out of it.
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Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't look like all that much improvement
April: 65 AB
May: 98 AB
June-July: 114 AB
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
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by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we have someone to replace Holliday in left in Cunningham?
I don’t like the deal if the ptbnl is gio gallagher or even eveland.
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by winchester5 on Jul 6, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, Gio > Gallagher
in that he’s moving forward, not backwards, and doesn’t appear to be as much hated by the organization. I’m ok with Gallagher being the PTBNL than I am Gio, though I’d prefer it be neither, e.g., Blevins, Eveland.
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can have Crosby, Hannahan, or Srpinger...
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springer (sp error)
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or all of them!
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah, Billy driving a hard bargain.
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
blevins, eveland, gray, etc- take them!!
gallagher- not great, but not horrible, just ok
anyone else- gio, simmons, hrod, demel, carignan, ross – stay away!
italiano/webb…not much lost
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually rather
Give up Simmons than Gallagher. I just don’t see Simmons projecting to be anything special.
by AthleticsReign on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with this.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did put up a 3.51 in AA his first full year in the minors last year.
he was a high pick, he has moved quickly, he has had recent success. Only spoiled A’s fans with their plethra of pitching prospects would give up on him so soon. I doubt he is one of the two in consideration.
by OmahaHi on Jul 6, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone has given up on Simmons
The reason a lot of people would rather trade him away is because they haven’t given up on Gallagher. Gallagher is only 9 months older and has better stuff and a better minor league track record.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Deal
At first I was wondering what the athletics were doing, but I saw the thing about Holliday blah blah blah.
It kind of scary I was playing OOTP and made the exact same deal except no PTBN
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by trademan56 on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher apparently has great upside
But not with the A’s, pretty obviously. Gio may finally be sticking, so Gallagher is superfluous. I hope it’s Gallagher rather than Simmons or anyone else.
Eveland is obviously more superfluous, but he’s got no upside.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of backside, though.
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can never have enough pitching.
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by OldhamA on Jul 6, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but you also have to give up something of value to get something if value.
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by UncleLeo on Jul 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher to the Padres
Please make it so Mr Beane……..
by granja on Jul 6, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No send them Eveland or Blevins!!! (I still have hope for Gallagher)
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The two pitchers being evaluated...
Have to be starting pitchers right? Italiano and Webb both have starting experience but it seems likes both their futures may be in the bullpen. Italiano is currently starting, and struggling, as a high-A starter. I saw in the other Hairston post that Keith Law commented that Italiano would be able to take off if a team put him into the bullpen. Webb seems like he has more starting potential- and I can envision him following a similar path that Braden did- where he starts out as a long-innings RP before he gets his shot in the starting rotation.
The point is, though, from the Padres perspective; They have two pitchers who are not guarenteed to be able to stick as starters. So I would think they would want a starter as, as the PTBNL, who is likely to be a starter.
This leads me to believe that the two players who will be under evaluation by the padres are Gallagher and Simmons. Gallagher would be option A because, though he comes with some risk; He has high-end potential as a starter who could become a good number #2. Simmons would be the other bc he it is widely believed that- though he doesn’t have front of the rotation potential- he is a safe bet to become a solid back of the rotation starter. Basically, if Gallagher comes off the DL sometime within the month a can make a start or two for them- then they will undoubtably go with him. However, if his stint on the DL lingers- they have Simmons as the other pitcher they can select bc they know he is a safe bet to counter the risky bet of Gallagher and his current injury.
If it is Gallagher, I am conflicted about the trade- but still ultimately like it. I doubt that Gallagher would every be able to crack the rotation again- if he were to stay with the A’s. However, I don’t like giving him up when he is on the DL and got roughed up at the big league level earlier this year because we arn’t selling him at his peak value. If Gallagher was healthy and dominated AAA for the entire year, we could definately use him as a trade chip to get a player like Yunel Escobar or someone of even greater value at a premium position. Ultimately, it is still a good trade. However, I am a little hesitant to embrace it bc there was potential for netting a greater return with a thriving Gallagher…
But if it is simmons- or eveland for that matter…. well cheers…
by MAC Attack on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher or Eveland
My pick. Gallagher because he’s got upside; Eveland because he’s useful right now and in a homer-depressing park like Petco, he might actually be a decent mid-rotation guy. Today, not next year.
by richwol1 on Jul 6, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the reason for PTBNL?
Why can’t they just say who it is. Is there some type of contract negotiation or something to be ironed out?
-Dan
by ironliver on Jul 6, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL
Sometimes it is because it is a player form last year’s draft and they would technically have to be on under contract for a year before being dealt.
In this case it is probably because it is Sean Gallagher and he is on the Triple A DL. It gives him time to prove he is healthy and they have an alternative if he doesn’t prove it.
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by jeffro on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another brilliant Billy move
We pick up a consistent bat with good average and power, good speed on the basepaths, for a couple of prospects that never really figured to be an impact in the majors. Always nice to be first in line at a fire sale!!!
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
And, this is Billy buying in a buyers’ market, the same way he stockpiled prospects by selling in the sellers’ market.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure.
There are far more teams looking to upgrade than their are looking to sell at this point. That coupled with Harrisons career year makes it really hard to see this as buying in a buyers’ market. I still think he did fairly well in this trade, depending on the PTBNL, but I don’t think it squares with your explanation.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hairston was available.
There are contending teams who need a center fielder. Hairston has more value in the immediate need to one of those teams, namely the White Sox and Braves, than he does to a noncontender like the A’s (even if this is a long term move for the A’s) because of that urgency of winning now. They should’ve been able to give up more than Webb/Italiano/see below.
And, whether the pitcher is Gallagher or Eveland or Simmons (it could always be someone else, but I just named the guys with the most value who are likely PTBNL), the Padres could’ve gotten a LOT more in a better market. Same with Nate McLouth earlier this season and Matt Holliday being traded by the Rockies. You could add White Sox and Swisher, but that trade was The Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams Stupid Show.
Definitely a buyers’ market in the sense that teams can get established players for less prospects.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no 25 man roster move announced.
The move has to be announced before tonight’s game. In other words, there’s 4 hours. Something tells me that if the move were something simple like Buck being sent down to AAA (grrrrrrrrr), it would’ve been announced already.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and the countdown begins...
can it please just happen already? i have been doing nothing work-related today, just clicking refresh on AN, espn.com, the official A’s site, mlb.com, and mlbtraderumors.com. bb is killing me…
by jlanning17 on Jul 6, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please nix..
Radioman! I rather have Denorfia backing up the outfielders…
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by ST on Jul 6, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can it be Davis.
Please? There are 2 guys who can handle CF now (assuming it’s not Sweeney going down). So can we officially banish Rajai Davis now?
by rageon on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Saw Scott Hairston
2 years ago at Petco. He entered the game in the 6th, hit a game-tying HR, then hit a walk-off HR for the win. He led off the next game with a HR followed by 2 more hits. While you can’t expect him to hit like this, he definitely caught my attention after that run.
by FurVault on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've read it
now I expect a walk off HR in his second AB tonight in Fenway.
by Future Ed on Jul 6, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second AB?
That will be one hell of a pitching duel then. :)
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Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he won't start the game....
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 6, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walkoffs are unusual in any at bat by the visiting team
I predict a quadruple play.
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will start the game in CF
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by adragon on Jul 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just leave 1B to Giambi and Nomar...
I’m not buying Giambi blocks Barton (maybe Buck?), because in my opinion Barton is a bust!
His stats of last year (in Oakland) and this years Sac-town AAA numbers have not given me a vote of confidence and I do understand it is a small sample size but he seems to fit the .230 BA/ singles hitter the A’s seem to be developing.
Cust can DH full-time and leave the outfield spots for Buck, Hairston, Holliday and Sweeney.
When Holliday gets traded at the deadline, or when he departs at the end of the season Cunningham will get to come up and earn his keep for the A’s.
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m calling out Daric Barton!!!
AN called out Crosby a few years back, and he responded with; (insert whatever you feel)
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more of nothing?
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pecking Order in OF??
Once Holliday leaves, that is.
Would think Hairston jumps to head of line. Followed by Carter. Then Sweeney/Cunningham. Then Buck. I don’t think from BB on down that this organization believes much in Buck anymore.
by jasonthea on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Cust as DH
once the Giambi experiment is over.
by jasonthea on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Cust would stink as a DH
then I would love to see your wish list. Just be sure to include the salaries next to the guys who are “better” fits for the A’s.
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK we get it
you don’t like Cust.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter?
I don’t think he’s coming up any time soon
by chipper1001 on Jul 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he even an OF
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by Helloooo 1st on Jul 6, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Custian style.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More athletic than Cust, but yeah he wouldn't be good out there.
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by OldhamA on Jul 6, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter is an OF
and he has a legit power bat. I was asking about the long term, not the immediate view. Buck being sent down confirms where he sits in the A’s mind. Carter is a clear candidate for a corner OF job next year, and ahead of Buck or anyone else except possibly Hairston.
by jasonthea on Jul 6, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think he'll stick at 1B?
Seems like Doolittle has seen more OF time.
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane has man love for Giambi and he will play 1B in 2010 with someone to back him up.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are people really that down on Sweeney?
I really like Ryan Sweeney and hope that he and Suzuki are the two guys Beane decides to hold onto in the mess that is the 2009 A’s.
Hairston seems like an upgrade to Holliday, and I’m thinking that the A’s would rather trade Holliday before the deadline (rather than wait for free agency/the draft picks) than play both men in the field. Holliday is playing like his suitcase is packed already.
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by popcornjames on Jul 6, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Word.
I do not understand all the SweeneyHate around here. I think he’s a clever slap hitter with unusually good bat control, and he’s improved dramatically in the field. You can be disappointed in the power numbers if you like, but he’s not that guy.
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by The Dogfather on Jul 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also like sweeney
but often on AN when people defend him, they refer to some sort of power that he could/should develop, mostly based on his physique. i agree that he is a fine player, just not a fine power hitting OF.
by jlanning17 on Jul 6, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney
Great kid, but I don’t see him every hitting more than 10-15 hrs a year. Good speed, decent arm, good glove, .270-280 hitter. Not great, not bad. Trade bait?
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th outfielder.
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by OldhamA on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ryan Sweeney
So he’s had a hiccup this season. I think he’s going to be a fine ball player.
by 5Tool on Jul 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers don't lie!!!
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I want him to be OUR fine ballplayer!
He reminds me of the good times with Kotsay – “Kotsay-Lite”, if you will.
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by popcornjames on Jul 6, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Mark Kotsay
he had a little hiccup there too in the beginning (99’), but that did mean he had plateaued either. By the way Kotsay’s down year was when he was 24, how old is Ryan Sweeney again?
by 5Tool on Jul 6, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney is 23 years old.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Not sure what the source of the anti Sweeney cries are. Light hitting at his age is not atypical. He can still develop power if thats it. We wouldn’t worry so much if we had real power sources at the corner infield spots and one power (MH) outfielder.
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by bajablue on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
Sweeney gets ragged on more because of the A’s other shortcomings than his own IMO. So far this year everyone else in the outfield has underperformed, not to mention the train wreck that has been Giambi and Crosby (and maybe throw Nomar in there too).
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Sweeney was comfortable playing his first year (with injuries) in RF in 08
This year he has played more in CF and it is also his sophmore year. He has a lot of potential, even the Cards wanted him last year.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never believed that rumor
Sweeney for Rasmus never made sense.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure who it was for but I do remember that the Cards liked Sweeney and wanted him.
I believe the main part of the deal was for Harden and Sweeney.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he could develop talent.
But he’s never had the swing to be a power hitter, or shown a real ability to consistently hit for power, so I don’t expect him to start slugging.
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by travdog6 on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he could develop power**
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by travdog6 on Jul 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is fine if not being "that guy" is means he also isn't a starting OF
Harrison is probably a full 1WAR-1.5 WAR above Sweeney in CF. Sweeney is a great corner defensive replacement keeping everybody fresh so he starts 2-3xs a week kinda OFer, but until he can hit atleast 5 runs above league average he isn’t going to be more than a 2 WAR player.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{Hairston}
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that guy too
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hairston is already the most misspelled A's name of the season
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until we get Jeff Francoeur....
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by iglew on Jul 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT WANT.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Im thinking beatles I guess.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the fact that there are nine guys out there at once,
…I’ve never been that impressed with the idea that each guy must fit some better-than-average mold for his particular position. With Sweeney we get lotsa singles, some doubles and excellent fielding. Maybe we go find someone else who hits for unusual power at another position.
Billy didn’t replace Giambi in-kind when he left, but the blend was successful. I’m happy for Sweeney to be part of a blend.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 6, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spectacular fielding to watch is more like it
and unless you plan on getting some 4 WAR players you need everyone to be above average to win.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney is still #4 in the Web Gems points leaderboard
despite all the missed time. It is ESPN though, take it with a grain of salt.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, he does make amazing catches.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Eric Byrnes ranked pretty high in that metric :-P
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke...
You can’t seriously be comparing the two defensively?
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Byrnes career UZR/150 in CF is better than Sweeney's
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which I guess proves that sometimes statistics do lie...
Although in fairness, I’ve hardly seen Byrnes play since he left the A’s, so maybe his defense has improved. But Sweeney is a much better defender than the A’s-era Byrnes, which is what you seemed to be inferring in your post.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should have been “referring to” not “inferring”.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on roster moves to accomodate Hairston?
I keep thinking Nomah’s been waiting for this series as his Occasion to hang ’em up.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 6, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Buck's probably gonna be sent down
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why haven't they announced that move then?
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they still need to take someone off the 40 man roster
to add Hairston
by OaklandSi on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they don't.
Ryan Webb was on the 40 man.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really doubt that
But Geren is clearly anto Buck so who knows.
Baja been here
by bajablue on Jul 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland
That is who they called up.
Baja been here
by bajablue on Jul 6, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but they placed Braden on bereavement list
That’s kinda like DL, he doesn’t count towards the roster 25.
And no way in HELL does this team keep 13 pitchers on the 25 man. Awful, awful roster management.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Susan Slusser says Buck has been sent to AAA
%UCK! what? I said Buck.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets break it down
webb has never had an era below 4.7 at any level. yet was given a 40 man spot and still continued to be promoted every season. he’s in his 6th season and has finally shown something the past month, but he’s less or more off the radar w/ demel/hrod/carignan/gray/blevins etc
italiano parts of 5 seasons all never higher than stockton. he was drafted before mazzaro/lansford but has taken longer to progress. he’s rule 5 draft eligible so wouldve had to be on the 40 man this offseason.
Worst case, hairston is a kielty/murton type w/ CF capability. Cant argue with his success in 08/09. It gives some depth to protect against and buy time for sweeney/cunningham/buck + doolittle/brown/spencer/sulentic etc.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Read some Pad fans comments
They are super high on Italiano, saying in 2-3 yrs will be a 2 or 3 starter on Padres. Which means in 2-3 years the Pads will still be mediocre.
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how the Padres do a lot of scrap heap pitching acquisitions, but
suck at young pitching. Baek and Gaudin are both really good acquisitions, as average pitchers who cost nothing.
Eveland will do well in the NL, if he’s the PTBNL. He might even outperform that San Francisco team’s 5th starter.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just sayin...
bb seems to like snagging OFs from the padres. kotsay for the ’04 season, cust for the ’07 season, now hairston…
could the 3rd time be the charm? could we get somebody who will stay healthy and be a legitimate all-around ball player in both halves of innings?
by jlanning17 on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cust was the charm.
Until Geren fucked him over by complaining about his strickouts and changing his approach.
Although Hairston should be a charm too.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a cust fan
but you can’t argue that he is only 3/4 of a player at best with his shoddy fielding. i was confused and opinionless regarding hairston at first, but i’m i’m digging him now.
by jlanning17 on Jul 6, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could say the same about Big Papi though
There’s a reason he’s DH only.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I endorse this statement
Signed
DFA
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The two cents of Dave Cameron from Fangraphs
can be found here. I think you’ll all like his opening thoughts:
When I heard that the Padres had traded Scott Hairston for Craig Italiano, Ryan Webb, and a PTBNL, my first reaction was to wonder if they were trying to tank as quickly as possible to give themselves a shot at drafting Bryce Harper. There weren’t too many other explanations that made much sense, given that Hairston was one of only two guys on the Padres roster hitting his weight and that he made a total of $1.25 million this year while not being eligible for free agency until after 2011. After a night to think it over and do some more research on the deal, I don’t have many more answers than I did last night. I still don’t get it.
My favorite part of the article, there’s speculation that the PTBNL might even be Eveland instead of Gallagher.
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
by GoA's on Jul 6, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad News.
Braden, who was scheduled to start on Tuesday, was placed on the bereavement list on Monday, according to an official press release from the A’s.
Spin:
Dana Eveland was recalled from Triple-A Sacramento on Monday and will presumably slide into the rotation for Braden’s scheduled start on Tuesday.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 6, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bereavement list?
What happened?
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He heard Dana Eveland was going to be allowed to pitch in the bigs again?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland rocks at Fenway!
Or wait…9 ER in 2 IP is getting rocked.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only one of the pitchers have Major league experience according to the reports.
So it would probably be either Eveland or Gallagher as the first and then maybe Simmons as the other.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the Padres want to see Eveland pitch in the big leagues again?
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mean, but funny.
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 6, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won tickets in the lottery for the Michael Jackson Memorial Service
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Padres are deliberating between Gallagher and Eveland,
Dana’s start at Boston ought to settle things once and for all.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jul 6, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eveland spot starting Tuesday actually makes the "established" PTBNL more likely to be Dana
They knew about Braden’s loss (I assume bereavement = family emergency/loss), and needed someone to spot-start in Braden’s place. They didn’t want to start Simmons’ service clock by calling him up to spot-start, so they use Eveland. Dana gets sent down once Braden gets back, and then is traded as PTBNL.
Considering Cahill’s struggles lately and that they’re on a road trip, it wouldn’t be smart to use Edgar Gonzalez to spot start.
Just speculation though.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or there's no one else left
and eveland is on the 40 man…easy, no hassle short term move
edg gonzalez remains as the seldom used long reliever
simmons isnt anywhere near ready, retreads like jer williams/reineke/chacon…probably not worth it
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they would have to outright release someone
to call up Simmons.
Which actually is a good thing, since there’s some cut-worthy fodder on the 25 man.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's some cut-worthy fodder in the starting lineup.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
by OldhamA on Jul 6, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is plausible and doesn't involve us losing Gallagher... I like.
Good thinking Blicks.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we lose today then
Awesome. Why not just pitch Anderson on regular rest?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson pitches today.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like this trade, on one condition
Which is that Hairston is the every day centerfielder, and that Bob Geren has to do twenty pushups every time he starts Sweeney in his place, a la WIllie Mays Hayes and fly balls.
I hope the PBTNL is Eveland, but my head tells me it’s probably Gallagher. You usually have to give up something to get something. I give the trade an “A” if the former is the case, and a solid B+ if the latter.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if it is anyone BUT Gallagher
Eveland in the deal makes Towers look like a huge sucker, and typical BB fodder.
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could it still be Eveland if e is pitching Tuesday?
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if the Padres happen to see the game.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
QOTM
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch Eveland pitch a 2 hitter complete game with a win.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes please
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have more of the same please
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you said Anderson
I would’ve bowed down and hailed you as a mystic.
Too bad.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jul 6, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking back at that statement it was pretty close, as in Anderson instead of Eveland.
Of course Eveland could do the same tomorrow night.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive accepted the ptbnl is gallagher or simmons
There’s a gap in potential upside between cahill/mazzaro/anderson vs the other guys
gio/gallagher/braden/outman/simmons/eveland all profile as mid-back rotation pitchers to me. Basically 5 or 6 pitchers passed up gallagher from this spring going forward. Trading one from this group isnt terrible and in the big picture they still have other guys behind them in godfrey/fernandez/hornbeck/ross/capra/hernandez etc.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Outman, before he got hurt, was our best pitcher this year. He has a ton of talent. Gio does too
All he needs is time to work things out and it looks like he may have found that in his last start.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you really see Braden in this group?
Last year I would have agreed with you, but not this year.
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Garciaparra starting tonight?
I’m guessing at 1B if he does…
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DH, hitting 6th per SluSlu
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by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAIT. SO HAIRSTON IS DHING?
That means Cust is in the field while the DH spot is used for a plus defensive OFer.
This is ridiculous.
Hairston should be playing in the outfield. Unless its something where he just joined the team…
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston is not in the lineup.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait. Garciaparra is DHing and hitting 6th
WTF again.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston got to the park 40 minutes ago...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice trade
I’m sure Hairston will regress coming to the AL and the park where hitters come to die but it’s still a nice deal. I like it less if Gallagher is the PTBNL because I still see a lot of potential in his arm but whatever.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Petco is a worse hitters park than Oakland.
He’s not going to regress much.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(fingers crossed)
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(toes crossed)
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going mostly on my frustrations
That Oakland is hell for hitters
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The foul territory can really piss you off at times :-(
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if Nomar is returning to Fenway tonight!!!
Hit the pine Nomah…
If your lucky you can be Giambi’s defensive sub for the 9th inning of the last game of the series in Boston.
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope Scott Hairston adjusts to American League pitching a lot better than another fellow former National League West outfielder and I’m not talking about Rajai Davis.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL
Jason Windsor? maybe Shane Komine?
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lance Blankenship
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's have Acquired A.J Hinch for a MTBNL
That MTBNL is Bob Geren, btw.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dann Howitt FTW
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s good for us, then.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need one of these.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally want that shirt.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT
F’n rocks! I want!
Ooo! Piece of candy!
by ChickenStanley on Jul 6, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher is nothing like the hype he had last summer
Okay he was considered one of the more mlb ready/upper minors pitchers out there.He reached the majors as a 22 yr old known for his polish and ability to step into an mlb rotation immediately. The hype continued when he improved his weight conditioning and was throwing 95 + at times. He was considered a durable workhorse type pitcher during his minor league career.
He comes to oakland and throws an impressive 1st game, but we had not seen that plus velocity since. There were concerns about his lower velocity this spring and his delivery. Beane pulled him aside for a wake up call, meanwhile cahill/anderson/braden/outman beat him out for spots. Gallagher was showing progress in AAA but then got injured. You hate to give up on a harden centerpiece,but if his upside is a #3 sp is that really considered an untouchable player? A’s accumulated this pitching depth for their own benefit but also for future trade ammo. Trading Gallagher wouldnt be my 1st choice, but over the past 5-6 months he’s done nothing to improve his value within the organization. As long as this sets up future trades and keeps the rest of the pitching depth intact.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neyer hits the only negative about the trade on the spot.
Of course, he is cheap and he does play well in the outfield, so he’s still worth a roster spot for sure. Oh, one more concern: the A’s have three young outfielders who have failed miserably to this point, but still deserve chances to play and probably need them because the A’s need some great players (at the moment they don’t have even one). In the long run, who loses playing time to Hairston? Ryan Sweeney? Travis Buck? Aaron Cunningham?
Perhaps none of them. Ken Rosenthal says the A’s aren’t going to flip Hairston. I’m not so sure. They could trade him soon, when his value’s at its highest. Or they could trade him a year from now, when he’s got a .298 on-base percentage and suddenly their young outfielders are looking pretty good by comparison. But I don’t see Hairston in the lineup when the A’s get back into the playoffs.
Emphasis mine, btw. I hope it blocks Sweeney, but I’m not holding out hope.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
None of them could lose playing time in the future. There is a designated hitter spot to be had if Cust isn’t around.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Neyer thinks Sweeney has "failed miserably" to this point...
…then he’s an idiot. Buck, OK; Cunningham, pretty harsh considering how little he’s player at the ML level.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t think any of them have failed, let alone failed miserably. Neyer exaggerates too much IMO
by chipper1001 on Jul 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 6, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although he has never been able to hit lefties in the minors
along with in MLB.
He’s a decent player, but Buck should be playing over him, period.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just the beginning and Hairston isn't going to stay an A.
Watch this move take place: Hairston and Kennedy to the Giants for??? Bowker and Baumgardner (spl?). It fills the Giant’s needs to win now with a solid OF and a 2B. Bowker is a prospect bat and Baumgardner is a highly touted pitching prospect. If they don’t give him up, maybe Sanchez?
by JustinKase on Jul 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
sorry man, not even close with that trade proposal.
by chipper1001 on Jul 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, maybe Baumgardner is a bit a (huge) stretch, but
Sanchez isn’t. Both Sanchez and Bowker seem to be the odd guys out in SF. They’d move them for a real shot this year.
by JustinKase on Jul 6, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's more realistic
but kind of pointless for the A’s. Why would we trade Gallagher (assuming he’s PTBNL) just so we can get another pitcher with a questionable future and a lefty 1b with no spot in AAA or MLB to fill?
by chipper1001 on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because this is the only way the A's make headlines. They can't do it with their play,
so they do it with their front office making trades. Necessary or not.
by JustinKase on Jul 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Headlines are the objective?
www.rememberingbillking.com
by jeffro on Jul 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the case of a losing team that is really boring to watch? Yes, headlines are
often the objective. Actual sports stories tend to be much better at bringing the casual fan to a ballpark then marketing efforts. Yes, sarcasm.
by JustinKase on Jul 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to the
McCovery Cover please….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Joe Morgan's going to think Beane wrote the movie too..." -whitshoes40
"What am I going to do, seriously? Maybe be a bouncer at strip joints. That's about all I'm qualified to do." -Giambi
by ST on Jul 6, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
I’m guessing this is sarcasm and I share your frustration with the A’s current play but if there’s one thing about Beane we know it’s that he makes trades (good or bad) with a purpose in mind, nothing to do with headlines.