Hairston is an A
by Orodawg on Jul 5, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
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PrintAccording to MLBTradeRumors and the Padres twitter feed, the A's have acquired Scott Hairston from the Padres for 2 minor league pitchers and a PTBNL.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/as-acquire-scott-hairston.html
Speculation as to who the minor league arms are? EDIT: It has been confirmed that the pitchers are Ryan Webb and Craig Italiano.
Precursor to a Holliday trade perhaps? The outfield is full as it is, which means Buck/Cunningham/Etc aren't going to be playing like we hoped because of a Holliday trade....
Let the games begin eh? Sigh..
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A's get OF Hairston from Pads for minor leaguers
The Oakland A’s have acquired outfielder Scott Hairston from the San Diego Padres for minor-league pitchers Ryan Webb, Craig Italiano and a player to be named later.
Hairston, who just returned a stint on the disabled list, hit .299 with 10 home runs and 29 RBIs in 56 games with the Padres. He also had a career-high eight stolen bases.
Hairston, 29, debuted with the Arizona Diamondbacks in 2004 and was traded to the Padres in July of 2007.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9773158/A%27s-get-OF-Hairston-from-Pads-for-minor-leaguers
Webb was 7-1 with two saves and 4.34 in 31 games at Triple-A Sacramento. Italiano was 5-6 with a 5.63 in 16 starts at Single-A Stockton.
I like the trade.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions
What"s Hairstons contract situation?
When does he reach free agency??
the a's control his contract
through 2011, so thats 2 and half more years . Not bad. He’s got some pop.
We finally have someone who's Mexican enough!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 5, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Cant complain with the trade
But it does make you wonder where the Buck/Cunningham types fit in now.
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question
why?
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe Beane is accumulating Americans who starred in the WBC for other countries
He can pair up with Denorfia in the “It’s a Small World After All” Outfield.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 5, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
92 games over his career, 79 starts, seems decent, maybe a little below average. Doesn't seem to have much of an arm.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
He might have Sweeney D with a much better bat
His defense in center field really determines the outcome of this trade for me. If it is greater than -5 RAA then I think this is a good deal. If it isn’t, well, it isn’t.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Whether he can play CF is the key.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
And if he can, why wouldn't Sweeney be the trade bait (odd man out)
rather than Rajai Davis (a good “5th OFer/pinch runner”) or Buck/Cunningham?
I’d be happy if Hairston became the new Sweeney (an average defensive CFer who could be a good corner OFer if he played there), except one who mashes LHP instead of flailing against them, and if Sweeney were used in a package to address other needs.
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I'm certainly not opposed to that
but equally, if a trading team wanted Buck or Cunningham, I’d say they could be equally as disposable
I'd want more for Buck and Cunningham than I would for Sweeney.
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No doubt this blocks Buck further
For that reason alone I don’t really like it.
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Once Holliday is traded, it won’t.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure they'll continue to find reasons not to play him
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This might be a "what the hell, why not?" kind of deal
If the Padres called Beane and said, “We’d really like Italiano, here are 3 guys we could part with,” Beane might have figured it was worth it.
FWIW, his OPS is way higher than Holliday’s this year.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
and his OPS+ this year is higher than Holliday's career high
SSS FTW!
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Between last year and this year, though
the guy does seem to have figured out how to drive the ball. It’s a little strange that the Padres would give up a guy who’s by leaps and bounds a better hitter than anyone else they have except for Adrian Gonzalez for two somewhat negligible minor league pitchers.
I mean, wouldn’t the Mets have offered more than this for Hairston?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
do we know hairston's FA situation?
how much team control is there?
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- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
From Cot's Baseball Contracts
Scott Hairston of
1 year/$1.25M (2009)
* 1 year/$1.25M (2009)
o re-signed by San Diego 1/8/09 (avoided arbitration)
* 1 year/$0.406M (2008)
o re-signed by San Diego 3/3/08
* 1 year/$0.389M (2007)
o acquired in trade from Arizona 7/27/07
* 1 year (2006), re-signed 3/06
* 1 year (2005)
* drafted 2001 (3-98)
* $0.4M signing bonus
* ML service: 3.102
Link here.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Nice... I like cost controlled
This I believe also says a big no to ryan ludwick.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
His arbi value will go up, though, if he keeps hitting all those HRs
especially if he spends the rest of the year in CF.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It's ok, he'll just get infected with the A's lack of Home Run hitting ability
in fact, maybe this is Beane’s new market inequality -
sign good players, get them to suck, so they are cheaper to sign in arbitration.
makes sense to me!
hopefully this blocks Sweeney more than it blocks Buck
but yeah, not likely.
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Clearly Buck is in Gerens dog-house. I saw the interview with Geren – I think it was pre-game the day after Buck was recalled and it was far less than a ringing indorsement. Something to the effect that Buck will determine his playing times based on how he performs and it is time for him to step up etc. Translated it sounds like – if he doesn’t hit right away he is on pine patrol again.
Baja been here
Inital reactions:
1) I guess the A’s really really hate giving Buck playing time.
2) Or maybe Holliday is gone really soon.
3) Hairston’s a pretty good defensive outfielder. Around average in center.
4) Fluke year with the bat (.358 BABIP), but he looks like Pujols on the A’s. Expect regression.
5) Cost controlled for 2 more years which is pretty good. Italiano is a huge gamble to even make the majors at this point and Webb is meh. Good trade in a vacumn.
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Hairston played 3rd in the minors
I can dream, can’t I?
He’s always been one of my favorite players, and he’s been mashing this year, but it still takes time away from Buck unless they plan on playing him in the infield. He’s a converted 2nd baseman, and, like I said, played 3rd in the minors.
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It looks the sum total of his 3B experience consisted of 14 games at 3B 7 years ago in the California League and Midwest League
But at this point, that’s good enough for me! Ladies and gentlemen, your new starting 3B!!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Hairston
is on my strat team. It’s a keeper league so next year he will be on my strat team and the real team. Every out will hurt twice as bad.
He obviously is not going to keep hitting like he has but I think his numbers will look a little better outside of Petco, even if he’s moving to another pitchers’ park. He had a 115 OPS+ last year (though unfortunately it was more S than O), although his slash numbers don’t look that good.
I realize he is not the youngest guy and the Padres system is laughable but I thought we’d have to give up more than Italiano.
If he can have a 115 OPS+ in CF this is a great deal.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok then we have Holliday to the Cards and Hairston to the Braves
The A’s get Wallace and Escobar in return.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I wonder if it might be Holliday AND Hairston to one of those teams
or to the Mets.
I sure don’t want Francoeur or Garrett Anderson on the A’s, but I’d bet that Cox would prefer to write “Holliday” and “Hairston” in his lineup every day in place of his current LF and RF. Could be the same thing with the Cards or even the Mets.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I bet Beane is just droooling about the possibilities of getting both Escobar and Vasquez from the Braves
this just opens up a whole parade of possibilities
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
This is a peculiarly awesome move by Beane
Depending on the PTBNL, if he can pull a Hairston+Holliday combo for something like Esc/Vas I will take back everything negative about Beane I’ve said.
Ever.
Are you talking about Javier Vasquez?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
If the Braves get Holliday...
it obviously means they’re going for it. Why would you trade your best pitcher when you’re going for it?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I have seen this on both on MLBDailydish and MLBTraderumors
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Another thought - Who is the PTBNL?
Duke when he comes off the DL?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
that would be one hell of a PTBNL
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What's Duke's contract situation?
I thought I remembered it was extended this last off-season, but I can’t remember for sure.
If he’s not under contract next year then it would not be Duke.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
My guess is it's someone on the 40 man roster...
because I think we can assume that Holliday will be gone too and that it would bring back a couple of players that would need to go on the 40 man roster.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Patterson maybe?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Could be I guess...
We’ll find out soon enough.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
But why would he be a PTBNL?
The only situations with PTBNLs usually are:
1) The team gets to pick 1 of X number of guys by such-and-such a date
2) The guy the team wants is on the DL so they PTBNL him
3) They guy the team wants was drafted too recently, so they have to wait to acquire him officially
None of that applies to Patterson. If they want him, he’s theirs today.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Couldn't it be #1?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Yeah, but not in the "I think it's him" way (which was Orodawg's comment I was replying to)
That is, he could be one of the guys on a list, but he couldn’t be THE guy the Padres want — otherwise, he’d just be part of the deal already.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
it won't be Patterson
the ptbnl will be a pitcher. I just hope that it’s not Sean Gallagher. He’s on the Rivercat’s DL right now. Maybe they are waiting for him to get healthy b4 they can trade him.
by sf drift king on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Padres want Duke?
I mean, I love him, but he’s not exactly the #1 guy a rebuilding team would want.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
How hes a FA and SD isn't contending?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be a plus
Centerfielders ranked by OPS+ from 2008-2009 (minimum 500 PA):
Cnt Player OPS+ PA From To
--————————---——---——+
1 Carlos Beltran 136 986 2008 2009
2 Josh Hamilton 129 842 2008 2009
3 Scott Hairston 128 572 2008 2009
4 Nate McLouth 123 986 2008 2009
5 Torii Hunter 121 918 2008 2009
6 Grady Sizemore 119 1024 2008 2009
7 Marlon Byrd 118 741 2008 2009
8 Curtis Granderson 118 989 2008 2009
9 Cody Ross 114 813 2008 2009
10 Mike Cameron 113 822 2008 2009
11 Matt Kemp 113 987 2008 2009
12 Shane Victorino 109 982 2008 2009
13 Jody Gerut 106 515 2008 2009
14 Rick Ankiel 105 685 2008 2009
15 Vernon Wells 105 827 2008 2009
That's when he is healthy
He has been on the DL more than once in the last couple years.
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I won't miss you, Craig Italiano.
You frustrating, potential filled nobody.
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finally some action.... say can you tell me where a fellow can find some?
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Hairston is an A!
Craig is on his way
With Ryan to San Dee-ay
With a guy name layyyyter
And oh, I don’t know why
Oh I don’t know why
We’re all gonna die, oh yeah, we’re all gonna die, oh yeah!
We’re all gonna die, oh yeah, we’re all gonna die, oh yeah!
As Beane would remind us, A’s fans love the Ramones.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I like that Hairston isn't terrible
So if he doesn’t get traded on (which was my initial reaction), he’ll add a bit of an edge to an otherwise dull knife once Holliday departs.
Plus, he’s used to playing in a Big yard, so hopefully he’ll be able to make the transition defensively pretty smoothly, yeah
I like this trade.
Last year, Hairston was an above average defensive centerfielder, and he’s been a good hitter ever year he’s had the chance. I’m looking forward to seeing more of him.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
Does this mean Davis is on his way out?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Does Sweeney have any options?
Maybe they’ll send him down and have Sweeney and Cunningham in AAA for the rest of the year. I don’t know. It’s fun to speculate though.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Sweeney has been one of the top hitters on the team for the past few years.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you're joking.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Uh, .286 last year and .274 this year? Who has been better than that in the past few years?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That's his SLG, right?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Exactly...
Sweeney is a backup major leaguer or a AAAA player.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I didn’t say he was one of the best hitters in the league.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking at Batting Average alone is pointless.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
+ eleventy billion
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why I take the position I do on OPS
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
What position is that?
Missionary or Reverse Cowgirl?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
glad I can be helpful.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
In the sense that he has no power at all and doesn’t get on base consistently?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
No, it’s in the sense that he hit .286 last year, .274 this year and over the past few years, only a few hitters have done that on this team. That makes him one of the better hitters.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, Looking at Batting Average alone is pointless.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
How many hitters are better than Sweeney on the team, then?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Cust, Suzuki, Kennedy, Holliday.
Not that it really matters, because we are in a rebuilding year. But Sweeney won’t play a big role in our future.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
That’s four hitters, and Sweeney’s on-base percentage is higher than Cust’s.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna give Cust the benefit of the doubt and say next year he will revert to 2008 Cust.
But the point is, Sweeney is playing at his highest level. He has no projectability; what you’re getting from him now is the best he will be, probably in his career. That’s not very good. He’s at best a poor third outfielder and a decent fourth one.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Pardon me, sir
But he is an excellent 4th outfielder. He can hit for average coming off the bench and can play all 3 OF positions, 2 of them very well.
He’s an unnecessary luxury item for a team that is not contending, though.
Meh you're right.
The last line of your reply is the key to my indifference at the moment.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Buck is a better pure hitter
he’s just not getting the ABs. Small Sample Size.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Small sample size, fine, but Sweeney has proven to be a better hitter than Buck over the past few years.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh, I guess you could argue that.
But what you’re getting with Sweeney is his ceiling. He’s not gonna get much better than he is right now, which is a fringe outfielder. He might make a good fourth outfielder, but not much more.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
He’s just 23 years old and I don’t see why he can’t become a .300 hitter. He’s hit .286 before, hitting .274 now (yeah, yeah, it’s not all about batting averages) and he’s been really, really hitting well since coming off the disabled list.
If he isn’t a true center fielder, fine, but he has only made one error this year and that was misplaying a ball off the bounce in the gap. The runner was going to make it to second base to begin with.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if he becomes a .300 hitter, he has little value.
He hits for little power and rarely walks. His defense is ok to good. All in all, that’s not a very valuable guy. I think his high average makes him sexy (along with his stunning good looks), but he’s just not that good.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Maybe he’ll never bang out 20 home runs, but again, he’s just 23 years old and could have some high-doubles seasons.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
We shall see I guess.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
why is this Sweeney's ceiling?
Mark Kotsay played 154 game is 1998 and walked 34 times with .318 obp at 22 years old,
in his 2nd year he played 148 games and walked 29 times. a .306 obp at 23
in his 3RD year Kotsay raised the obp to .347 and became a better hitter. there was no ceiling for him, why should there be a ceiling for Sweeney.
Kotsay had power
and a history of a high OBP. Sweeney doesn’t really have either.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
But he drove a motorcycle!
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by Helloooo 1st on Jul 6, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Used it to drive Macha right out of town!
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If that's true,
Thank you Kotsay’s Motorcycle!
If Gallagher gets dealt maybe I should make that my new screen name…or maybe I should make one that doesn’t involve an A’s player’s name, since that’s probably not the best idea.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Sub-100 OPS+ during his stay in Oakland
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No it doesn't
Batting average is a really bad way to evaluate hitters. The key jobs of a hitter are (a) to get on base (i.e., not make outs) and (b) to drive the ball for extra bases, which can lead to big-scoring innings.
Batting average, by itself, doesn’t tell you much about those. Sweeney, for instance, doesn’t walk all that much and has basically no power. An AB in which he doesn’t slap a single to left is almost guaranteed to be an out. That’s not good.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
His on-base percentage is higher than Ellis’, Cust’s, Garciaparra’s and Cabrera’s.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, his OBP is .004 higher than Cust’s this year. I’d say that Cust’s 50 point advantage in SLG outweighs that, wouldn’t you?
On Ellis, I’d say SSS. He’s been a very productive hitter in the past. Cabrera totally sucks this year, no doubt about it. Nomar sucks, too, but his OPS is almost identical to Sweeney’s this year.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Sweeney has also outperformed Buck over the past few years.
Ellis has been a productive hitter in the past, yes, but he has been in a downward slide lately and I think Sweeney will only get better.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You're free to think Sweeney will get better
The evidence in your favor is that he hit well as a 21-year-old in AAA for the White Sox 3 years ago, including a career-high of 13 HRs. The evidence against you is that he seems to have made no progress at all as a hitter in the years since.
As far as Buck is concerned, Sweeney has never hit as well as Buck did for the A’s in 2007. Not even close. Buck’s OPS for the A’s in 07 was higher than anything Sweeney’s ever done, even in the minors.
He looks like a hitter, and he can really tie into one from time to time. But he isn’t a good hitter right now, and it’s a big problem that he hasn’t progressed between the ages of 22 and 24.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
My imagination maybe
But it seems to me that Sweeney last year had a lot of fluke hits and didn’t seem to be driving the ball that well. This year I’m seeing a more authoritative swing and some really nice line drives. So I think I’m seeing improvement - as opposed to Cust who, in his third year, looks absolutely lost at the plate and in the field. And who’s 30.
Buck was raking before Sweeney ever came to Oakland
He just got hurt and isnt getting opportunities
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
I know. Buck had a really nice year in 2007 despite all the injuries.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
DFA Time
I expect Raj to be DFA’ed tomorrow… he has no remaining options and has to clear waivers before being outrighted to Sacramento.
Buck's almost certainly being sent back down.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
I was thinking that someone would need to come off the 40-man roster
but Ryan Webb was on the 40-man. What the hell was he doing there?
Well, that’s one less problem to solve, at least. But you’re right about the 25-man. Could be it for Raj.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Rule Five protection, maybe?
only thing I can think of…
You're right. It was Rule 5 protection.
He was put on right before the Rule 5 last year.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
So then who's cut/sent down?
Davis is the obvious answer… though it could be Springer. If they cut Springer they’d probably then send Buck back down and bring up a pitcher.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
How about Beane pull a shocker
and release Nomar or OCab.
That’s what I WANT.
I’ll get reeeally pissed if Buck is going to AAA though.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Nomar. Pleaaaaaase!!
I have nothing against him as a person, but he’s done.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Yep...
Pennington should be getting every AB that Nomar is getting.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Well, not EVERY at-bat
Like the game last week when Nomar DH’ed and batted cleanup? I don’t really want the A’s doing that with Pennington.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
So, basically, you want Pennington to take over.
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
as does Poppy.
This is just unacceptable. People are paying good money to go to the ball park. -Ken Korach
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 5, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking.
Do they have to make the move today? Perhaps he plays the first game and hanges them up.
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If they're not going to play him here I'd rather they at least play him in Sacramento
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Can't see them getting rid of Davis, unless they plan on playing Hairston at CF
I’m assuming Hairston will play corner outfield, no? correct me if I’m wrong (and having just got one thing right above, that makes it more likely I’m wrong here).
So Davis is the only player apart from Sweeney whom the A’s deem capable of playing CF; they don’t seem to like Denorfia there, so they’ll probably have to keep him. Which is, yknow. Something.
As much as I don’t want to see this, it’s gonna be Buck to AAA, isn’t it?
Unless they want to rest Cust, and he has a recurrance of his back injury for a few days, whilst they finalise the Holliday trade?
Harriston can play CF... at least for the rest of this year.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
well, that'll be great, then
but the question is, do the A’s think he can?
I guess we'll see.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Geren Announced Hairston CF Plans
He’ll be the primary CF, starting Monday at Fenway.
Wow, some team out there might have carried Ryan Webb on their 25-man roster for a whole season?
Glad that wasn’t the A’s!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
We're looking at carrying Springer for a full season...
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Since doing really well as an 18-year-old in the instructional league back in 2004
Ryan Webb has consistently been beaten like a limping nag throughout the minors.
Point taken on Springer, though. And he’s costing Beane a lot more than $50,000, too.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I agree Webb ain't worth anything... Springer should be cut;
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Springer had a great April and June.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Springer has trade value.
Maybe not a lot, but definitely more than zero. Therefore he should not be cut. If you want to get rid of him, trade him for some low-level prospects.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Springer
Springer has a FIP of 4.08. He hasn’t been as good as he was the last couple of years, but apart from an increased HR/IP ratio his peripherals are actually pretty good. He has been quite unlucky this year with a BABIP .425 and as that comes down so will his ERA. He would have some value to a team chasing a playoff berth.
I heard he has really helped the young pitchers this year in an interview with Bailey
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I wonder how Springer interviewing Bailey helped the other young pitchers.
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The Cubs carried, and still carry David Patton.
And they’re a contending team. LOL Hendry.
Patton succckckksss
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Free Travis Buck.
That's just 'cuz Hendry really loved "Ratatouille"
and he though he was getting Patton Oswalt.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Pile my food in a fucking bowl...
…I don’t give a shit. If you could figure out a way to liquefy it and inject it right into my femoral artery, even better, BUT, until you invent a lunch gun, I would like a failure pile in a sadness bowl.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
that's freakin hilarious
I have absolutely no idea what it means, or what the hell a “lunch gun” is. But it’s fuckin hilarious. And…
I would like a failure pile in a sadness bowl.
is a quote begging to be tagged to a Geren pic.
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Pretty sure he was talking about those KFC bowls
where they mush an entire dinner into a bowl like baby food.
Yes
Patton Oswalt, from “Werewolves and Lollipops”
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a classic bit
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Looks like Beane bought low.
I can’t complain about the pitchers he gave up. Hope they put it together in the Padres’ system (they’re actually putting together a decent amount of young, lower level pitching depth) but the big question is this.
What the hellll does this mean for Cunningham and Buck and even Sweeney, to an extent (Hairston is a good defensive CF). This is the REAL issue, not the pitchers. If they’re getting their playing time cut, that’s an awful thing.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I guess that's why there's obvious speculation about another deal coming soon.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Oh yeah.
I want to throw the Cubs out there as a Holliday suitor.
The Cubs won’t have an excuse to bench Bradley without a grievance unless they trade for an OFer.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
how is this buying low?
Beane traded for Hairston in what has been his best offensive year, easily.
I really like the trade, but you can’t say he bought low, that doesn’t make sense. I am excited about this though.
The odd thing about this trade though, is that this almost gives an indication that Beane still holds hope that they could compete this year, maybe that’s me, but I dunno…
by stranahanahan on Jul 5, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Hairston is cost-controlled for two more years
This trade doesn’t mean the team is “going for it” this year. Being slightly better for the rest of this year is an added bonus, sure, but I think it’s really about 2010 and 2011.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
agreed
but it just seems interesting to make a trade like this now…
by stranahanahan on Jul 5, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Billy has said many times that he doesn't believe
in the “seller” vs “buyer” dichotomy. He just makes whatever deal looks good to him at the time.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Because the Padres are in sell mode
If he wants Hairston, this is his moment. This sort of offer might not be around in the offseason, ergo, you do it now regardless of whether you’re competing or not.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
How did Beane buy low on Hairston, he's hitting really well this year.
I’m worried who that PTBNL is.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
comment on Talking Chop
said Vasquez has a no trade clause to any AL or NL West team.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
There's no way in hell Vasquez gets traded to the A's...
why would they trade their best pitcher for a rent-a-hitter when they’re in contention?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I'm not even sure they'd trade Escobar, just because who would play SS?
That’s why I wish Furcal had signed with the Braves.
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Either he really hates the West coast or he worked out previously that
the majority of those teams would suck this year.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
Seems like a good deal
My first reaction was surprise, I should know by now that you can’t predict what Beane is going to do. I am a little concerned about playing time for guys like Buck and Cunningham but when it comes down to it, this team cannot hit, so adding hitters who will be around to help next season is a good idea.
As long as the PTBNL is not significantly better than Webb or Italiano I think we got a good deal on this one.
Cunningham has playing time
it’s in Sacramento. He’s doing pretty well.
by sf drift king on Jul 6, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
PTBNL
er, sudden thought – could someone be forced to be a PTBNL if they had just been named as a team’s only representative in the All Star Game?
this would make me sad, if this were the case
Oh hell naw. I hope not.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Drink more!
Duh!
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
yeah, I'm five days removed from alcohol and caffeine
it’s been a weird month so far
The dreams subside.
Give it time.
This is just unacceptable. People are paying good money to go to the ball park. -Ken Korach
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 5, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that was when the nightmares start
will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody
That's one thing I'm NOT worried about
Seriously, how on earth is Scott Hairston all Beane would be able to get for Andrew Bailey? And why would he need to toss in 2 minor-league pitchers?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Exactly....
Bailey isn’t going anywhere. Same for Suzuki. Other than that, I’m not sure anyone’s off limits.
by andyinfremont on Jul 5, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd hope MAC is off limits.
Unless we’re talking moves to Sacramento.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
MAC
is/are probably safe, given that Duke is a question mark and Outman is on the shelf until at least mid-2010. It’s hard to see the A’s trading away starting pitching unless they’re confident someone’s ready in AAA (and they don’t mind starting/continuing the arby clock on that player). And if that person existed, they might have already come up instead of Gio. But I still see MAC as a notch below Bailey/Suzuki on the “no-trade” list.
by andyinfremont on Jul 5, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, true.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Talking out of my backside, here
But isn’t the PTBNL usually pretty inconsequential? In my experience, the sexy names get… well, named.
Not necessarily.
CC Sabathia (can’t remember the name, but PTBNL is a good prospect) and Jim Thome (PTBNL= Gio Gonzalez) trades are some examples. And whatever trade Coco Crisp was a PTBNL in some years ago.
And DeRosa trade, the PTBNL is supposedly one of the Cards’ better prospects.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
my prayers are on Eveland...
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Eveland's healthy and playing for the Cats
why wait to add him to the trade late? I just hope it’s not Gallagher; he’s injured right now. And isn’t there something that states you can’t trade an injured player?
by sf drift king on Jul 6, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You can trade an injured player with permission from the commish's office
and that could be a reason that he’s the PTBNL.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I like this deal
Hairston is a serviceable CFer and isn’t that bad of a hitter (especially compared to the rest of the lineup). Not only does this open up the possibility of flipping Hairston with Holliday, Beane could also potentially use Sweeney/Buck/Cunningham as trade pieces and maybe package one of them with Holliday. True, the current trio has more potential than Hairston, but he’s solid, making one of the three more attractive players tradeable so that the A’s could finally solve the gaping hole at left side of the infield.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
Are there any teams willing to take 2 MLB-ready OFs in a trade?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Atlanta?
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
That was my first thought.
Their OF outside of McLouth sucks.
Garret Anderson—-just hate him and he needs to be out of baseball. Francoeur we all know sucks.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
The Braves need an OF'er and dont want Escobar
Paging Billy Beane, paging Billy Beane
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
So you're selling a half year of Holliday, with his replacement already packaged in?
I like the concept
I'm guessing this is sarcasm
I’m saying possibly trading Holliday with Hairston or potentially Holliday w/ one of Sweeney/Buck/Cunningham. Hairston can stay in center for the next couple season and the remaining two could take the corners. Or, possibly, two of the four outfielders (not including Holliday) could be traded so the remaining two would take the outfield, and maybe have Sean Doolittle play there as well. Barton could have another chance at 1B and Chris Carter would fill in at DH. If Barton can’t seem to play well, try out Tommy Everidge: he’s been mashing at Sacramento, might as well give it a shot.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
no, no
not especially sarcasm – I was just like the concept of selling on Holliday packaged with his replacement when the buying team can’t resign him for next year. whether it’ll work or not, who knows.
sorry if my comment came across as pissy; i was just trying to expand on what you said
Ah, good point
And it never seemed pissy, I was just elaborating a little as well. :-)
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
PTBNL info.
Corey Brock of MLB.com tells us that Padres GM Kevin Towers “sounded excited” about the player to be named later, who will be one of two pitchers in the A’s organizaion. One of these unnamed players reportedly has Major League service time.
Emphasis mine. This could be interesting.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Casilla I bet.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Simmons doesn't have MLB service time.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
only one of the two names does
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- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Reading comprehension
he player to be named later, who will be one of two pitchers in the A’s organizaion. One of these unnamed players reportedly has Major League service time.
One of them has service. The other does not
Sorry. My bad.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I have two coins totalling $.15
One of them is not a nickle, what are the two coins?
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jul 6, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
A nickel is not a nickle.
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A 15 cent piece and Sean Gallagher?
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A quarter and Bobby Crosby?
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be Eveland
Towers is known to make stupid trades and if Eveland is in there that would be.
I hope so.
No, Kevin Towers sounded excited, not frightened.
But in all seriousness I bet that’s who it is.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Eveland would probably pitch well in petco
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think so
Eveland has been better than Egon ever was.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The other Egon needs to be released though
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
What about Blevins?
Could be him. I’m sure it wont be anybody too valuable. Hell, it could be Jay Marshall or Jerome Williams.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Then why not announce the 3rd name now?
Blevins, Williams and Marshall are all healthy now, why would SD wait to pick up their guy?
The monster at the end of this blog.
Is it possible that the choice between two guys is not
Towers’ choice but Beane’s? That is, maybe the PTBNL agreement says we promise we’ll give you one of these two guys but we haven’t decided yet which one. If Towers likes both of them, he agrees to it. That gives Beane more flexibility if he’s simultaneous looking to trade one of the two somewhere else.
The Rosenthal column says the PTBNL will be announced at the end of the month, which could mean Kevin is giving Billy till the trade deadline to make his decision and hand the guy over.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'm now scared it could be Gallagher...
by stranahanahan on Jul 5, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
After I posted that, I notice that one of the
reports says it is indeed Towers’ choice.
I think something like Gallagher-or-Eveland makes a lot of sense. Italiano and Webb are filler. The PTBNL needs to be better than what Towers could have gotten for Hairston elsewhere.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Towers Said ONE Pitcher On PTBNL List Had MLB Service Time
Both Gallagher and Eveland do, so that is not possible.
The quote I saw wasn't clear on that point.
The implication was that the other one didn’t, but it didn’t actually say that.
The quote I saw just said that one of the two has ML service time; it didn’t say anything either way about the other.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
It could be Eveland and Simmons or Gallagher and Simmons
or even Gio
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Gallagher and Simmons make sense
Gallagher will be off the DL in a months time. If the Padres are unhappy with his recovery then they have the option of Simmons as a back up.
I'll lose my mind
If Simmons is the PTBNL
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Agreed.
He’s easily a pretty decent #4-5 in the NL, especially in that division and Petco. Really good trade for Towers if PTBNL is Eveland.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
In Petco he could turn into a #3
the problem with a lot of base runners is when you give up a dinger its bad. With the lack of dingers at petco thats less of a problem… though the screaming double still clears the bases.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
My first though was Eveland too
That would be OK by me, although it certainly makes the trade significantly more costly. To me Eveland is expendable because he doesn’t seem to be above 6 or 7 on the starting depth chart, even accounting for the absence of Duke/Outman. And there seem to be younger/more promising guys on the way up the chain who will quickly pass Dana.
by andyinfremont on Jul 5, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
"Yes, please!" on Eveland
Seems like a good trade for both teams. (Until the Padres find out more about Eveland first-hand.)
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Gallagher or Eveland
Makes sense. The end of the month means that Gallagher will be back from his injury. If he doesn’t seem quite ready, it’s Eveland. If he does, it’s Gallagher.
not so sure...
I’d rather take Gallagher regardless and let him fully heal. The Padres are rebuilding anyways, so what’s the rush? And besides.
Gallagher>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eveland
X 1million
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No foolin'
Unless there’s a chance Gallagher is crippled, you take him over Eveland in any condition. I hope Billy put an “As Is” clause in the deal!
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I hope, but my gut says I don't think so.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
But my gut is also hungry.
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Go for the sandwich, Gob!
This is just unacceptable. People are paying good money to go to the ball park. -Ken Korach
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 5, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
he couldnt just tell us who the 2 players were, couldnt he
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- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He could, but generally they don't.
The Jess Todd thing when the Cards got DeRosa is an example
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I'd be ok with that.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Same here.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I wouldn't
I irrationaly love that guy.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
This is what scares me
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
good point
and his PTBNL status would come from him being on the DL, too, no?
I bet that’s who it is
This is is the thing about the gallagher ptbnl that scares me is it makes way too much sense.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That would make logical sense, but DO NOT WANT.
(wanting to see how he pitches when he comes off the DL)
But seriously, DO NOT WANT.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Yup, seems like the most likely possibility
Could be Gray, I suppose. Other organizations seem to think he’s a sleeper.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Has anyone mentioned Gio Gonzalez yet?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Also DO NOT WANT.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I'm not worried about that one
Gallagher is plausible because he’s clearly talented, he’s succeeded in the majors, he’s injured right now (and thus can’t be in the trade until he’s off the DL), and the A’s obviously don’t like him.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
wouldn't have pitched today if he was it
although otherwise I would have thought so too
Oh, but if I catch a line drive by a girl, that’s girl-on-girl action, the twiceness is eliminated, and it just counts once - gigglingone
Putnam?
According to scout.com the A’s traded Danny Putnam to SD earlier this weekend and they speculate Putnam could be the PTBNL. That’d be nice if it turns out to be true. He does have ML service time but obviously he is not a pitcher.
If the A's can build around Holiday, Furcal, Cust, and maybe call up 2nd baseman Wes Childs at some point in the year, they have a shot to take a weak AL West. -- jameersju post on ESPN.com
by youdownwithOBP on Jul 5, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
if thats the player its a Frickin A trade.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Blevins
I bet it’s Blevins
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Unfortunately I think someone already has PTBNL
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
PTBNL's Watermelons is available
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Ruh roh, that sounds like Gallagher.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
Help, I can't figure this out.
Does this make or break a case for Ludwick coming to OAK? OF of Buck, Hairston, Ludwick doesn’t sound so bad.
"I am not pleased with myself."
- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions
Ludwick had 1 good year... and he's 31 year's old. Why would a rebuilding team want him?
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Hairston had 1/3 of a good year...and he's 29 years old.
"I am not pleased with myself."
- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
We traded AAA garbage for him... we'd be trading Holliday for Ludwick.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Well, Italiano was Single-A garbage.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ludwick and a couple other pieces, and it could just be the best deal available.
"I am not pleased with myself."
- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then the A's will keep Holliday.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Another reason not to announce the 3rd player would be that he's injured.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Yeah, but who would that be?
Duke? Doolittle? I can’t see it being either of those guys.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Right, I think that's the most likely possibility (see the discussion above)
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
So, does this mean
Hairiston starts for us tomorrow?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
No, what are you crazy?
It means he sits on the bench watching Cust, Nomar, and Giambi!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
"You can share a pencil with Travis"
Oh wait…..he’s in Sac.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Actually
Travis would first complain that the pencil needs to be sharpened and you really can’t do suduko with a dull pencil because it is hard to right down potential numbers and see them clearly.
Then the A’s would announce he can’t play suduko because his pencil is broken and he would tell reporters that he didn’t know why he couldn’t play it anymore-all he needed was a pencil sharpener…
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
Then the thumb guard would get in the way.
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all this talk, all this speculation has added zest to the evening, a pep in my step
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
Semi-cured, like a salami or a ham?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I agree, the season just got interesting again
It’s also distracting me from some work I’m trying to do.
Oh baseball, damn you and your seductive ways!
agreed
I love July. This and December are Billy’s favorite months of the season. :)
There's no crying in baseball!
PTBNL
best bets
1 Gallagher
2 Ziggy
3 Eveland
4 Gio Gonzalez
5 Casilla
I'd put Eveland above Ziggy
but that might be based more on personal hope than, yknow, fact
I hope not Gallagher....Please no....Cassilla Eve ok
They would have just tore us a HUGE A hole if they too Gallagher who still has a great young arm…Eveland or Casilla I’m fine with, Gallagher I would be fucken pissssssssssssssed
Agree with you ryanmoser
I’d be plenty pissed if the A’s gave up on Gallager already. He was the centerpiece in the Rich Harden deal and Gallagher was the deal maker/breaker for Beane. That would make no sense at all…he’s still so young and me thinks he’s just a bit immature and unfocused.
Give the guy some time like you have with Gio, Billy. Trade Casilla!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
How about Outman after his 60 days
Hop off the DL, hop back on in SD?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
NOOOOOOOOOO
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Outman had TJS.
He’s gone for more than 60 days.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
This.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes...
Which means they may want to wait a bit to see how he responses to the surgery and he can be checked out by their people. Denorfia got traded while on the 60 day DL for TJS as well.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Denorfia isn't a pitcher though
I don’t think it’s Outman
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
But then who'll get people out, man?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hairston is not worth #1 or 4.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I endorse this statement
Signed
DFA
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not Ziggy...
And probably not Gio either. The A’s are looking a little thin pitching wise right now due to injuries, so trading pitchers on the major league roster (except for someone like Edgar G.) doesn’t make much sense to me. However, I suppose you could argue that Gio was just being auditioned for the trade. But if that were the case, I think they’d have just traded him and skipped the whole PTBNL thing.
by andyinfremont on Jul 5, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Naw
If that were the case, the A’s would want to just bring up someone like Blevins now rather than waste development time on Gio knowing he was likely to be traded. It’s very likely that of the two PTBNL options, the one player with major league service time is on the DL right now, and the other player is active but in the minors. And that would rule out anyone currently on the A’s active roster. The Padres presumably want the injured player, but if he isn’t healthy by the end of the month they’ll take the minor leaguer.
by andyinfremont on Jul 5, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ziggy
I love Ziggy, and I’m trying to remain objective about him. So I need to think objectively about whether that trade would make sense from Beane’s perspective.
I really hope it’s not Ziggy, and I don’t think it is. First, Ziggy is just now pitching well again, so Beane would sort of be selling low. Second, playoff contenders sometimes freak out over late-inning blown leads. I’d think if Beane were willing to trade Ziggy he could dangle him to a contender for more.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Gallagher makes a lot of sense for SD
Webb and Italiano are strong armed throwers at this point, although I think there’s a chance Webb ends up being useful out of the bullpen
The monster at the end of this blog.
If I have to bet...
Would be either Gallagher, Henry Rodriguez or Demel… Thats the only way this make sense for San Diego
If I have to bet...
Would be either Gallagher, Henry Rodriguez or Demel…. Thats the only way this trade makes sense for San Diego…
We are talking about a cost controller, good CF.. Towers is not THAT stupid…
I would support H-Rod or Demel being the PTBNL
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I wouldn't
Not Demel. Honestly I hope it’s Blevins or something. Blevins is my guess.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
could also be Joey Devine I would think
Oh, but if I catch a line drive by a girl, that’s girl-on-girl action, the twiceness is eliminated, and it just counts once - gigglingone
The PTBNL would almost have to be on the DL right now
The only two I can think of right now are Duke and Gallagher.
If they aren’t on the DL then add Eveland or Casilla
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Towers would be officially...
The biggest moron in the Universe if he takes a Injured; free agent to be pitcher like DUKE….
How about Jerry Blevins?
MLB service time? Yes.
But then, it could always be someone without service time, since only one of the guys has service time.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
+1
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like the deal for you guys
Depending on the PTBNL. Even if it’s Gallagher, who, as a Cubs fan, I absolutely loved, I think it’s an okay deal for you guys. Maybe it gives Beane the hope of a surge here, but it also gets the 2010 building started, and in this seller’s market, Gallagher/Italiano/Webb is about what I figured a guy like Hairston would cost. Not saying if Hairston’s worth it (though as noted, I think it’s alright), just that the value of a Hairston deal seems to likely be around there.
One thing that's interesting
is that the corresponding roster move has not been announced yet. One doesn’t have to be announced until tomorrow’s game, if I’m right (I might be wrong on this), so Holliday could be shipped out tomorrow and that be the corresponding 25 man move (and maybe one of the prospects be the 40 man move?)
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Webb was on the 40
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I meant if Holliday is traded tomorrow
someone needs to be added to the 40.
It’s crazy speculation on my part, since no roster move has been announced.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Can he play 3B?
Seriously. Can he play 3B at least decently? Or SS?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions
He played half a season at second in 04. That's the closest he's gotten.
And from that SSS, he can’t handle second, making it unlikely he could handle somewhere else that’s more difficult.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Damn.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Its Gallagher
I am 90% sure since he is on the DL and has no place in the rotation as of now. This might have been a move coming along since Gio had his best game and the A’s starting staff is set with outman back next year.
If Watermelons is in the deal
It’s a truly awful, awful deal.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Yep.
Gallagher has #2 upside and isnt that far from it.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
And I'd need a new name.
:(
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You could go with a Ronald Reagan name.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm only 24
The quote is from The Dugout
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I really could see Gallagher.
I don’t like it, but it seems the most probable by leaps and bounds. Towers isn’t bad enough to give up a player who’s currently having a career year for a AAAA-filler guy and a middling-to-decent A-ball pitching prospect, is he? The PTBNL has got to be someone with quite a bit more value than either Webb or Italiano.
And given the way management has treated Gallagher this season…it sounds pretty certain.
lets face it
Webb and Italiano are just fillers. Gallagher is the odd man out in the A’s rotation unless its Gio then I don’t like the deal at all.
Both Webb and Italiano could see new life in the Padres system.
Even Gallagher would be given a new start.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
i think/hope its casilla or eveland
in petco (and in the NL as well), i could see eveland actually doing quite well. i really hope its not gallagher. he’s got far too much talent. and giving up on him after just getting him last summer in the harden heist would be yet another potentially stupid move by beane, and he’s made a lot of those the past few years.
by guy incognito on Jul 5, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I posted something similar above....my sentiments exactly.
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Wow
I can’t wait to see which position they put him in, and how this plays out.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Bohemian Rhapsody FTW.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 5, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
People with good taste in music FTW
:-)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Few people realize
that that’s actually a picture of Joe Strummer after he watched Eric Byrnes not touch home plate in Fenway.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Sorry, stand corrected. That is a bass, isn't it?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Yep. Bass.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 6, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That song is a classic.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This FTW too.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Is that the Camper van Beethoven cover?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
DePo's blog:
I like this DePodesta quote:
While trading Scott is difficult and not without risk, especially given his excellent production this season, this move provides us with some young power arms with big upside – a real need for us – while also allowing for other young players to continue to amass Major League at-bats in our outfield.
So, Billy, do ya think we could do the same with Buck and maybe Cunningham?
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
+1
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i believe Hairston hit 3rd in front of Gonzo
where does he hit in OAK?
"I am not pleased with myself."
- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions
gallagher check list
did bad enough on spring that beane pulled him aside
hurt his shoulder going back to last yr and havent seen the mid90’s velocity since. more in the 90-92mph range.
Basically due to his struggles cahill/anderson/mazzaro passed him up.
He still has fringy off speed stuff and control issues
Knee injured missing 4-6 weeks
So far he might be another gaudin type
So THAT'S why San Diego would like him!
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
Check this out
MLB Comparison: Jake Peavy
Peavy, like Gallagher, was drafted out high school later in the draft (15th round). Their stuff and arsenal is similiar in that they both rely on their sinker and curveball and are control pitchers especially at age 20. And what often keeps coming up, was that Peavy was never suppose to be this good… Coming out of high school, scouts didn’t like his mild velocity and reliance on his sinker/curveball, thus his availability in the 15th round. Yet here today, Jake is in his 5th season with the San Diego Padres and he doesn’t turn 25 until the end of May. The last two years, he’s been among league leaders in ERA and WHIP and has built up quite a following on the West Coast. Over the past five years, Peavy has also drastically increased his velocity and improved his secondary pitches, due to natural development and growth, something that Gallagher can look forward to as well. What helped shoot Peavy through the Padres’ minors was his poise on the mound, command of the strikezone, and dominance at the low levels, plus SD’s need for a starting pitcher. That all helped Jake make his MLB debut in mid 2002 after owning AA that season. Gallagher has many of the intangibles of Peavy and with continued growth and development, his velocity and stuff will improve. For a comparision, lets look at the 19 year old Peavy against Gallagher’s 2005 season. Both pitchers threw either the whole season or part of the season in the Midwest League (Low A):
From a message board post titled Scouting Report on Sean Gallagher written 04-20-2006, 02:17 PM
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 5, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
3 yrs ago scouting report
please post crosby’s from 2003!!
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not going to be flipped
Ken Rosenthal at FOX Sports reports that Hairston was not acquired to be flipped to another club and has been on the As’ radar since he was traded from the Diamondbacks in 2007. Rosenthal notes that Hairston is cheap this season at $1.5MM and under control through 2011, and that the Mets, Phillies and Giants also expressed interest. He says the PTBNL will be revealed probably at the end of this month.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
let's bear in mind that Rosenthal is a bit of an idiot
He’s convinced that Roy Halladay is going to be traded this year, despite the fact that the blue jays are convinced they can conted next year, and they need him to do so
A bit?
I think he blew past that years ago ;)
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this trade.
More production than Holliday, with a 1/10 of the contract. I think that this definitely can rule out a Ludwick trade. So pretty much we can bank on Alderson or Wallace being an A by the deadline.
The Other Pitcher Is... ?
This from MLB.com:
Towers sounded excited about the player to be named in the deal. He said he’ll pick from two pitchers sometime this month to determine who it is. Towers said one pitcher has Major League service time. That player could end up the key to the deal.
Who would have no service time, be enticing enough to be on this list and yet not so enticing to give up too much?
Maybe simmons.
But would Beane spend a 1st round pick on someone and trade him before ever seeing him pitch in the majors?
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on Jul 5, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but if I remember right he never wanted Bonderman
And traded him not long after.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on Jul 5, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if you believe Michael Lewis
Beane has already refuted that.
its official....the buck stops here.
why cant i just see travis buck get 500 ab’s? at the very least get 2 straight starts
If Beane trade Gallagher + Craig for Roid Boy Harriston
Would be a HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE deal for us. I like Harriston and his fine season and could see him hit 25+ HRs, but Gallagher should not be part of the deal. My guess is:
Cassilla
Simmons
Blevins
Or it could be Gallagher or Simmons – his choice
Throw Eveland in that list
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It's not horrible.
It is just not a big landslide for the A’s as it would have been without the PTBNL. Gallagher is obviously the centerpiece and while I really hate to give him up, you have to trade quality for quality and I think this is fair value.
I couldnt agree more.
Once Holliday is traded I want a Sweeney/Hariston/Buck outfield the rest of the year. With Cust at DH and never stepping foot in the OF again.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on Jul 5, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that most of AN would like the same
I don't always blog. But when I do, I prefer AN. Stay thirsty my friends.
I love this idea
With Cust at DH and never stepping foot in the OF again.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
im guessing he will mostly play against lefty's in CF
his spilts this season
75 AB VS LHP 1.102
122 AB VS RHP .759
Even so he's slugging .470 vs. RHP,
which kicks ass over anyone in the A’s current lineup.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
its possible webb/italiano m ight be useful
andrew bailey certainly turned his fringe status into something. this time last yr all 3 were probably considered similar ranked prospects. better trading them than hrod/carignan/demel.
Is the likely PTBNL Gallagher?
I think it makes sense given that he is on the the DL right now…. also it was said that one of the pitchers who will be evaluated has major league service time… which Gallagher obviously does. And Gallagher would be the type of pitcher who would elicit excitement from an opposing GM…..
i like hairston, but i'll ask was there no decent 3b out there
for 3 pitching prospects?
+1
Excellent point.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
+4
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering there aren't any decent 3b out there to begin with,
I’m gonna say no.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
i'll settle for this
“filler better than hannahan/nomar/crosby”
padres have 3b depth kouz/headley/antonelli, lower minors darnell/forsythe
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, even with our black hole on the left side of the infield
I’d rather have a Scott Hairston than a possible minor upgrade over Hannahan. That’s just how I see it though.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Well, this doesn't preclude that deal
I’m sure there’s more organisational depth there that could be traded. Seems like this is a trade proposed by the Padres, that Beane thought would improve trhe team. why not do it?
Please let it be someone like..
Jerome Willams or Edgard Gonzalez.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
Or Eveland :)
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
He has major league service time
and a major league HAYMAKER
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 5, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
and im guessing the 3rd player isnt going to be that good i dont know why u guys are freaking out for
probably Jeff Gray or Dana Eveland
but why would towers get excited over them
saying the ptbnl is the key to the deal
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he cant say..
“the PTBNL is just a “meh” guy.."
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
hey, it's a Sunday night, the A's have been playing like balls
why not freak out?
Thank you!
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
True.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Farce?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Frankfurter
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it's a standalone.
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by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 5, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Or it could be
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Mean, but awesome.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
All minor league pitchers on the DL as of today
Sacramento: Kevin Cameron/Sean Gallagher/Justin Hampson
Midland: Bobby Cramer/Angel Garcia
Stockton: Andrew Carignan/Kristian Bell/Chad Kerfoot
Kane County: Mike Hart
Vancouver/AZL: none
Andrew Carignan is an interesting choice, but it does seem that all signs still point to Gallagher.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
Gally went on the DL
June 14 according to the Rcats site.
by sf drift king on Jul 6, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sticking with Eveland or Casilla.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
You never know
They may want Cameron back!
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
Maybe the Pads want more time to evaluate who they want
The PTBNL doesnt have to be on the DL, nor does Towers quote say so.
by throttle mathius on Jul 5, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ports have a pitcher named Kristian Bell? He must get a lot of Veronica Mars jokes.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
He, Sweeney and Suzuki will grace the cover of ESPN the Magazine in October of 2010 together.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
correction.
He,SweeneyBUCK and Suzuki will grace the cover of ESPN the Magazine in October of 2010 together.
Fixed your quote for you.
[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?
by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 6, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless we find out that Gallagher was the PTBNL
Then it makes lots of sense from the Padres’ POV.
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Yeah ...maybe that's it.
A player with experience may be the PTBNL. Otherwise it seems like the Pads gave up a proven player for some prospects that are only average at best.
Everything points to it being Gallagher
1) There’s a reason for him to be PTBNL — he’s on the DL
2) It’s reasonable for Towers to be excited about acquiring him (although he really has lost velocity since last season)
3) The A’s really, really don’t like him for some reason, and are much more interested in Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, and Outman
I’d guess the other player is a fall-back position in case Gallagher doesn’t recover — maybe Simmons?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Oh, and add Gio to the list of young pitchers the A's like more than Gallagher
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
that bell sound you hear?
that’s the ring of truth. what you say, it has it
Statistics, damned statistics, and lies
The trouble with statistical analysis is that it only tells what happened yesterday. The secret of player eveluation in determining what happens tomorrow. There is a reason it is called ANALysis. A small example; three months ago an A’s player had terrible statistics. The Bailey fellow.
And after today’s performance it is now GMAC. Pappy Braden shifts for himself. None of them are going anywhere.
GMAC
now there is something with a bad 2009.
Sorry I have been out for a couple weeks, has that joke already been made?
too bad, i wanted to see Italiano on our big league rotation...
6-man rotation:
Braden
Italiano
Gio
Mazzaro
Anderson
Cahill
B-I-G-M-A-C
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The best predictor of future behavior?
Past behavior.
Correction
“The secret of player evaluation is in determining what happens tomorrow.”
If Hairston really does play 3B for us....
…this has been great outside-the-box thinking from Billy :-)
And if Gallagher really is PTBNL, it’ll be sad but oh well.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Let's see what we got here
300+ Batting Average….good 10 Home Runs….I like it…..8 Stolen Bases….solid
All the way through puberty….Great….Call me crazy but I always like it when Billy Beane trades for actual major league baseball players. So I’m in, now go get some infielders Mr. Beane.
The padres could have gotten a lot more than Webb/Italiano
for Hairston. And the Padres are trying to clear salary, so why trade Hairston when he’s dirt cheap? The PTBNL has to be a Gallagher/Gio/Eveland. If it’s between Gio and Eveland, why take the time to decide? You obviously take Gio (IMO). Thus, no PTBNL, because both are healthy and Towers wouldn’t need time to pick between them. I’m becoming convinced that it’s Gallagher. He’s been in Beane’s doghouse for a while, and it doesn’t look like there’s a rotation spot for him anyways. So if it turns out to be Gallagher, I’m still happy. We’re dealing from a position of strength to address a weakness (especially once Holliday is gone)
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I just want to go on the record as saying,
that, what with all the Gallagher freak out going on up there, that I don’t understand why people are losing their heads over it. I’m not a big Gallagher believer, personally, but even if you are, the point is that if you’re the A’s, you’re addressing an area of weakness (hitting) with a strength (pitching). Yeah, it doesn’t make the deal look as sexy, but a fair trade that actually helps address weaknesses is a solid outcome. It’d be nice if Beane could go around ripping everyone off, but most of the time that’s not how the baseball world really works.
Yeah, it would totally be sweet if the third guy wound up being some nobody like Jeff Gray, but if it is Gallagher then that simply makes this a fair trade that nets us a useful, cheap, offensive player in Scott Hairston.
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by walk off bunt on Jul 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Gallagher has potential, but my amateur opinion is that he won’t reach it.
+1
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the real reason for freaking out would be something more like
“why are the A’s trading a strength (pitching) for a player who creates an even larger surplus (outfielders) without addressing a serious, gaping weakness (decent infielders) here?”
No question the A’s need to improve their offense, but couldn’t they somehow find a way to do that while also addressing positional need… just a little bit?
by still bills kingdom on Jul 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent point...
I guess what we have to do is simply hope that Beane has another deal in the works to trade our new surplus (OFers) for our weakness (infielders) and that perhaps this is a better way of going about it.
A move like this is possibly a sign of things to come. Remember the Mabry trade? That pretty much signaled a flurry of other moves that totally reshaped the roster. I think we might be about to see that happen again… and that’s a GOOD thing.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
OH yeah
That Mabry trade was badass.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 5, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If Hairston can play CF
then it does address positional need. Among our surplus of outfielders, none of the ones who can play CF are very convincing.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
This
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That's fair enough, and I agree that a better long-term solution to CF is an
organizational need- but it is far from being the most pressing need for the A’s when they currently have no viable starter at 3B or SS as early as next year (or viable starter that anybody believes will be a useful player at said positions, at any rate.)
To me, this differs from CF because Sweeney has demonstrated he can play that position adequately; and as others have pointed out numerous times in his defense, he’s still plenty young enough to develop into a better offensive player, to boot.
I don’t disagree that Hairston should, theoretically, be an upgrade at CF for the next couple years- but why are the A’s upgrading this position when they have other positions (3B, SS in particular) that they have no decent players for whatsoever at the moment?
That was my point; I’m not down on the trade completely at all, was just pointing out that it is puzzling to see the A’s once again make a move to acquire a player that doesn’t fill their most obvious needs. Hopefully there are more moves to come.
by still bills kingdom on Jul 6, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
but it's a quantity surplus, not a quality one
when Holliday’s gone, who would our 3 outfielders be? Buck. Sweeney. And…Denorfia? Raj? Cust? Maybe Cunningham would be the third, I don’t know. But having a guy like Hairston, who has some experience and some power, can’t be a bad thing with our current OF.
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realistically, though
this does address a positional need. The A’s may have a lot of outfielders, but they’re lacking a competent option in CF (unless you think Sweeney’s recent hot streak portends continued ~.330 hitting). In fact, after the left side of the infield, I think that CF is the most important issue that needed to be taken care of.
The reality is that this is a team with a lot of short term holes.
Crosby play 1B today for crying out loud. We have no longterm CF, Ellis is getting older, Cabrera just flat out sucks… same with (enter 3B here).
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
some holes have internal solutions, though
it’s been documented a fair amount around here, but one can reasonably assume that 1B and 2B are not hugely pressing issues, with Barton/Doolittle/Carter and Ellis/Weeks/Cardenas all under club control already. CF, SS, and 3B all have possible long-term fixes (Brown, Green, Cardenas switching, etc), but overall, they’re in much worse shape than the rest of the positions.
Right
I’d add that Weeks evidently could play CF (at least everyone said so when he was drafted) with Cardenas moving back to 2B and _ taking over 3rd next year. So the A’s could hypothetically fix CF by fixing 3B.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
There is something to that
but I’m getting to the point where I feel like beggars can’t be choosers. This team has a serious lack of competant major league hitters. I still like Buck and have high hopes for Cunningham but the facts as they stand right now is that no one on this team other than maybe Holliday, Kennedy, and Suzuki is hitting enough to be an everyday player on a good team. We’re getting a pretty competant right handed bat with power. I would love for it to be a third baseman or a shortstop but if we get a guy who can hit .270/.330/.500 I’m inclined to just say “thank you” and not spend too much time worrying about where he is going to line up in the field.
If Towers offered either Hairston or Headley and Beane took Hairston, I'd be pissed
but I really doubt that it went down that way. I’d bet that the A’s have been trying to get a young 3B on the trade market, and haven’t found a deal they like. Beane has liked Hairston for a while, and had an opportunity to get him in exchange for, it appears, a young pitcher whom Beane has soured on and who’s hurt and throwing softer than he used to.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
This........
Yeah, it doesn’t make the deal look as sexy, but a fair trade that actually helps address weaknesses is a solid outcome. It’d be nice if Beane could go around ripping everyone off, but most of the time that’s not how the baseball world really works
Also, Billy is dealing with an organization/front office full of his like-minded friends, so it’s not like he’s gonna b.s them into a bargain.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
If you always rip people off, eventually no one will want to trade with you.
by LoneStranger on Jul 5, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet people still go to gamestop
huh, baseball?
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 5, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, well, I am of the belief that people realize that GS rips them off, and then they stop going.
The problem is that there are new customers all the time. Just like the cigarette companies.
by LoneStranger on Jul 5, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
all good points
also, keep in mind that we could get another Gallagher back in the Holliday trade.
by sf drift king on Jul 6, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
please let this put Sweeney on the bench and not Buck
LF: Cunningham
CF: Hairston
RF: Buck
DH: Cust
GONE: Sweeney
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- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions
This is assuming we trade Holliday
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Jul 5, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
or assuming it's 2010
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- Leo Tolstoy, after he masturbated.
by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
IAWTC
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 5, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Eeeeehhh NOP...
“Hairston’s a guy we’ve liked for quite some time,” Forst said. “He’s a right-handed power guy, which is obviously something we haven’t had much of over the years.”
Forst indicated center fielder Ryan Sweeney could shift over and play some right field, a position he played predominantly last season.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/athletics/ci_12759560?source=rss
I am the only one who will like Ryan Sweeney playing in right field.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I really like Buck as well and I think Buck, Sweeney and Hairston should all play together once Holliday is dealt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
1. You like Sweeney too much. His offense has sucked this year, .274 or not.
2. The general sentiment of Buck>Sweeney is not at all as clear cut as people here seem to think.
Buck projects a bit better offensively going forward, but he’s younger, healthier, better on defense, and I think it’s reasonable to expect that he’ll improve to “acceptable” levels of power.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I look at it this way:
Assuming Hairston will play "average but not great "CF defense, which is what Sweeney can do and sounds like what Hairston can do, the A’s have just upgraded CF to stay the same defensively but now slug over .400 against RHP and .500 against LHP, both significant improvements over the status quo.
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Slug is great but its the perpetually abysmal OBP that worries me
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 5, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i would take some slugging
it would be nice (as a fan) to have some confidence that we might actually score when i see people on base.
dingers
Certainly Hairston improves the team
by somewhere between a little and a lot. He’s better than either Sweeney or Buck. We’ll see who the pbtnl is…
I’m not sure about Buck vs. Sweeney for RF.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
If Holliday is dealt, in which I think we’re all assuming that he is, those three (Hairston, Sweeney and Buck) can play together.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, so I guess that's not really a problem
blocks Cunningham (or one of those two), but that’s not such a big deal.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Well, hey, there’s a designated hitter spot.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Cust
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
gasp! but he's our starting right fielder!! double-gasp!
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I don’t know if Buck is healthier and I know that Sweeney is younger. Buck is better defensively? Well, sure, but people knock Sweeney for not being a good center fielder. It’s not his fault he’s played out there. He’s also only made one error in center field over the past few years and one in right field over past few years. So, he has made two errors in his entire career. They’re both pretty good right fielders in my opinion. You can get by with Sweeney in center field, I think, and I know that he won’t make any errors out there even if he can’t get to every single ball every single time.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
my sentence went awry
younger, healthier, and better on D were meant to apply to Sweeney, thus a close call between he and Buck.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
The nice thing about Sweeney in RF
is that you actually get excellent defense and if he develops that vaunted power then hallelujah but if he doesn’t then you at least have a good singles hitter and a solid defensive OFer in the mix.
However, I don’t see any reason Sweeney should start against LHP. At the moment, against LHP I’d like to see Holliday, Davis, Hairston.
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That is, assuming Sweeney is the other OFer in the mix
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Great points
Sweeney has been by far the best defensive outfielder for the A’s this season, IMO. I say that based on watching the games rather than (gasp) the defensive stats. Holiday seems overrated in that regard — his range hasn’t been especially impressive and his positioning to take balls off the wall in particular has been poor on a number of occasions, although he’s got a very good arm. Davis has been meh (and he’s supposed to be the defensive specialist), and Buck is OK but still seems a little unpolished. By contrast, Sweeney has frequently been impressive.
I don’t know if Hairston is Sweeney’s equal/superior in CF, but I can see that his bat is closer to what one hopes for power-wise there, and if his addition moves Cust to DH/5th outfielder status, then it’s an upgrade all around. The A’s haven’t been known for using platoons, but I have no problem with a Davis/Sweeney platoon unless one of then gets/stays hot (and lately Sweeney has been hot).
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, Sweeney is going to have to learn to hit left-handed pitching eventually.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweeney is a better RF than Buck with a stronger arm
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Buck needs to prove it....
Buck projects as a better hitter, but the last year and a half he hasn’t shown it in the majors. Sure, you can cite injuries and inconsistent playing time, but the bottom line is he hasn’t produced. Until he does, Sweeney is better all around.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Buck produced in 07
His only season of extended PT, more than Sweeney has ever produced in pro ball.
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"He’s a right-handed power guy, which is obviously something we haven’t had much of over the years."
lol matt holliday feels insulted
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we haven't had much of Holliday over the years.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I know! Hairston has more dingers this year than Holliday
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Isn't that a joke?
Holliday ought to be embarassed.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Why is everyone down on Sweeney and up on Buck. Buck did ok in 2007 and sucked since.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Because Sweeney has never hit as well, at any level, as Buck did in 2007
at least as far as standard stats (AVG/OBP/SLG) are concerned. His AAA year 3 years ago is pretty close.
You know how they say junkies spend their whole lives trying to relive their first high? A’s fans have been spending a few years trying to relive their first Buck. Sweeney hasn’t gotten anyone high yet.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Geren and Beane, apparently
They keep running him out there every day while benching Buck.
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Buck = Crosby?
Don’t get me wrong, I like Buck (despite the comparison), but Sweeney is a good player who doesn’t deserve the scorn he gets. Sweeney has an average bat with below average power, but an above average glove (and improving). Statistically, Buck’s bat has gotten worse each year (at the major league level), and while he clearly has more power than Sweeney, it’s been negated the last year and a half by an inferior AVG and OBP. Buck also seems to be just average as a fielder, and is less versatile. Lastly, Buck is a year and a half older. Don’t fall in love with Buck because of a good half season two years ago.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to judge his numbers when they won't give him a decent stretch of playing time.
But maybe his AAA numbers show something.
by LoneStranger on Jul 6, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I fixed this for you
LF: Cunningham
CF: Hairston
RF: Buck
DH: Cust
GONE4TH OF: Sweeney
GONE:Davis
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
According to the Padres beat writer
The Padres had a deal for Hairston but Billy called the Padres and gave them a better deal. The Padres have their choice of 2 starters at the end of the month from a list the A’s gave them.
Billy wanted Hairston because he kills lefties and is a right handed bat that the A’s lack on the team.
Or did Billy up the deal...
in order to keep that team in the hunt for Holliday?
by throttle mathius on Jul 5, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooh, clever!
Even if it isn’t about a specific team’s offer, one added benefit of getting Hairston is that it helps prop up the demand for Holliday.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
That's a great thought.
We shall see.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
So I guess that pretty much solidifies
that Holliday is gone by the deadline
Roy Steele is the voice of God
I think it's a strong indicator
It’s still going to come down to the offer, as I don’t think the A’s will move him unless someone offers a package that is better than 2 top 40 draft picks. But I look at this as an indication that they think someone will eventually meet their price.
Could be 1 of 3 teams
Mets, Phillies, and Giants all wanted Hairston so now that the only other right handed outfielder is off the market it comes down to Holliday or nothing. It will be a NL team so the only other teams in the trade mode are St Louis, Brewers, Braves, Reds, Marlins, and Rockies.
Holy shit!
You may have nailed it. By removing Hairston from the mix (and getting a replacement for Holliday in the A’s line-up), Billly Beane has just upped the price on Holliday.
I agree it's a good insight,
But Hairston wasn’t a free agent at the end of the year. That is, this was a trade for talent that both teams controlled. Arcman’s point would be more applicable if Hairston was a likely free agent. For all we know, there are other teams out there shopping their controlled players in trade deals.
Or they dont have much confidence in buck/sweeney yet
Since Beane initiated the talks, then he saw an OF need
maybe if brown/doolittle had not had stalled with injuries off and on also
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
sweeney has at least proven himself defensively
neither has the power of hairston, obviating the trade. I’m just curious who the odd guy out is, considering that buck is on the sacto yo-yo and sweeney seems to have found a place in the bigs.
i suppose it could be something really crazy like giambi getting released but i doubt it
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 5, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
How does that obviate the trade?
We need power.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
obviate: to anticipate and prevent
Sweeney or Buck learning how to hit would have obviated the trade.
I realized I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
Hairy downside
(is better than a hairy backside)
Ok, so Hairston can hit..this year. His career OBP is a bit low for an OF. Oh, and he’s been a yearly DL-tourist. The local San Diego media down here play up his potential, but waver on his ability to remain healthy for a full season.
I guess if he’s going to platoon, then it sorta makes sense.
Oh, and San Diego is in seriously need of some pitchers – Bullpen (other than closer), and starter (as pretty much their starting rotation is on the DL). Towers said that he’d have to “get creative” (I’m read that to mean “trade away someone good”) to get more pitching help in the system.
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 5, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions
I find it had to believe that eveland was a cant miss offer
that beat out another team’s deal…it has to be gallagher
i wouldn't freak out about the PTBNL
scott hairston is a good player, certainly, but this is a career year for him, his OPS is above .800, and he’s got a ridiculously high BABIP. in other words, he’s not a great player – better than what we have, sure, but this isn’t like trading for damon or dye. thus, i don’t think the PTBNL is going to be anyone huge. my guess is casilla or eveland, either of whom could actually be pretty effective pitchers in petco and dealing with the NL in general. gallagher was the centerpiece to a trade for a stud (oft-injured, sure, but stud either way) pitcher, and we only got him last summer. if beane flips him to get a decent OF who’s having a career year that, while certainly very good, isn’t incredible or anything, i’d be very disappointed in him.
this analysis seems to like him
i think hairston is the 09 xavier nady
btw, at least with a bat, what did murton lack as a lefty mashing, right handed option
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/6/939079/oakland-athletics-acquire-scott
Looking at Hairston going forward, it is likely that his offensive numbers will improve upon leaving the spacious PETCO Park. Still, it would be unlikely for Hairston to maintain his current 2009 wOBA of .398. The Rest of Season ZiPS projection for Hairston expects a .343 wOBA the rest of the way, worth roughly 2.5 offensive runs. Given what we know, a fair assumption would be for Hairston’s offensive value to fall within the 0 to +7.5 range. The most likely scenario for the Athletics, at least short term, is that Hairston replaces Travis Buck in right field. Perhaps, Hairston replaces Ryan Sweeney in CF. Hairston also could be the plan to replace Matt Holliday if a trade is imminent. Either way, Hairston appears to be in the +2.5 to +7.5 range as a corner outfielder and in the -2.5 to +5 range as a CF. It would then be fair to peg Hairston’s defensive value as ranging from -2.5 to +7.5.
Worst case scenario, then, Hairston is worth 2.5 runs below average, and is a 1.75 win player. Best case, Hairston is probably a +15 run player, and is worth roughly 3.5 wins per 600 plate appearances. At 29, Hairston is not likely to turn any more major corners in his career. Still, Hairston will only be entering his second year of arbitration next year, and having only received 1.25M in his first year, he will likely be a cheap asset being paid far less than his value on the free agent market. Although Billy Beane may have broken one of the cardinal rules of trading and “bought high”, it is unlikely that Hairston will disappoint, given his strong defensive track record and his very strong last 3 years in the strongest of all pitcher’s parks.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW, Hairston's home/road splits aren't that big
Mostly, he kills the Giants and is ok against everyone else.
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If Cust had great numbers against the Giants
We could have a “Jack the Giant Killer” or commonly known as “Jack and the Beanstalk” …or “Jack and the Beane Stock.” Ok I have to lay off the Jack and Coke – Coke + downing the whole bottle.
Would have been nice to put that in a blockquote box
Before I followed the link, I thought those last two paragraphs were you.
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I would hope that if Gallagher was the third player,
the A’s would have been talking about better additions than Webb and Italiano, and would be getting Headley instead of Hairston.
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exact dumundo
gallagher should be the third player (and the centerpiece) for a trade for a better player than hairston. hopefully billy knew this and didn’t put him as one of the two players on the list.
by guy incognito on Jul 5, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
gallagher has fallen out of favor, whether he's traded or not
lots of red flags surround him, in basically a lost 09 season. I wouldnt want to trade him, but his percieved value isnt the same as it was this time last yr.
So, uh, is there an official poll out there on who we think the “player to be named later” is?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
We need a poll with a "pick two" option.
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That could be quite long.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine. I'll do it.
TWSS
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How would anyone know?
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I dont know where mikev is
But I know where the A’s are
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
that's good, 'cause I don't even know where the A's are...
Toronto?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
milledge was available last week
i wonder if beane seemed to be in the market ofr another OF, if the milledge option was discussed
doubt it
Milledge won’t ever live up, IMO.
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by One won lost won on Jul 5, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Dbacks traded Hairston and Quentin in short time frame
and now have a terrible offense with Byrnes and Chris Young in the spots those two would have been. Ouch.
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I feel like it has to be Gallagher
Otherwise why would the Padres do this trade? Clearly there was a market for Hairston with the Braves, Cardinals, Mets, Giants, and a few others all looking for a bat to help them down the stretch. Towers must have been fielding calls. If Towers decided to pull the trigger on just Webb/Italiano/Eveland then there really isn’t as much of a market as we thought. I’m guessing that Gallagher goes because it makes the deal good enough for the Padres not to wait around for the trade deadline. Furthermore, it allows the A’s to have two (if not the two biggest) trading chips for bat-shoppers. Even if this means holding on to Hairston, it only sweetens the package they may get for Holliday. Whereas the belief was that Beane wouldn’t get the deal he wanted (think Wallace+other upside prospect) perhaps it is more likely now that they control Hairston.
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 5, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions
There were Sanchez- Hairston rumors w/ giants mentioned
Beane just took a cheap useful bat off the market which several teams wanted, possible this might influence the Holliday market. If not, they got a solid hitter signed through 2011
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 5, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly I don't think Hairston is the type of player fans are looking for
I think those are larger markets who want a big name or well known player. It’s not like MLBTradeRumors or anything has a Scott Hairston trade possibilities discussion. GM’s need to sell tickets but then again winning is a good marketing strategy.
in this case, doesn't the fact that it's a ptbnl pretty much implly that
it’s someone on the DL?
if it was ziegler, gio or another healthy pitcher, why wouldn’t the trade just be fully announced and done?
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
Word.
It will be Gallagher, mark my words. And, BTW, who is that handsome man as your avatar? I think he gave me my sigline at a cocktail party Monte Carlo.
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Agree
All the discussion here has me convinced.
Towers sounded excited. And Eveland would not cause that evocation IMO.
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by One won lost won on Jul 5, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Eveland - convulsions, yes. Excitation, no.
Since he’s the GM of an MLB team, he may just have seen a game or two in his life. I also tried to find out if Towers has suffered some sort of mental trauma or is retarded in some way. No validating data, so I’ll just assume that he’s not retarded and that it’s Gallagher (or possibly Gio), and not Eveland.
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by The Most Interesting mAN on Jul 5, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t always drink beer, do you?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 5, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not always on sale
but when it is, I prefer dosequis.
Stay frugal my friends.
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by nothinlikethetown on Jul 6, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, I got that.
I really like the commercials. Sometimes, after a horrible loss, I close my eyes and imagine that I am the most interesting man in the world. But sadly, even alone, I’m not even the most interesting man in the room. Hence, the massive thirst.
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in this case, doesn’t the fact that it’s a ptbnl pretty much implly that
it’s someone on the DL?
Couldn’t the situation be, instead, that the Padres want to wait a month before deciding on which pitcher to take? That is, by waiting to see how they perform over the coming month (until the deadline)?
My thinking is that Beane wanted the deal done now, but the Padres wanted to wait a month (like they could with the deadline looming) to give the lucky youngster another month (i.e., 4 more starts) before deciding.
From a baseball family
I live in SD and they have made a big deal about hairstons family. Father and Grand Father took some quality hacks in the bigs. In his interviews he seems like a great teammate and a down to earth guy who is ready to pop. i know it’s anti AN and pro old shcool scout, but he seems to have good baseball makeup. No……not eyeliner.
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reading the story on MLB.com, he was really broken up about it
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typical pattern...
player gets traded to A’s, gets depressed, loses 100 points off OPS…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll bet he knew he was on the trading block, but he probably
figured he’d be traded to a contender. Just imagine the conversation with Towers:
KT: Yeah, it’s true, Scott. You’ve been traded.
SH: I kind of figured that would happen. Where am I going? St Louis? Atlanta?
KT: Oakland.
SH: Oakla … OAKLAND?!? WTF?!?
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Maybe the conversation should have gone...
“So, Scott, you’re used to playing for a last place team…”
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by Nico on Jul 6, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"So, you know that San Francisco is a beautiful city"
“I’m going to the Giants? Sweet! Playoffs!!!111”
“No, no, you misunderstand. But you can live in the city and commute to Oakland”
“Shitballs”
Actually, Billy Beane has a history of favoring
players whose fathers were major leaguers.
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DAMN YOU, ED CROSBY!
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Paging Aaron Boone...
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Scott Hairston.
His dad was Jerry Sr, and his grandpa was Sam, a Negro Leaguer turned MLB player.
Also the Bells
but I think both of the grandsons are retired now.
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WE MISS YOU, STEVE SWISHER!
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Quick, semi-informed trade thoughts
I like the trade.
Hairston is a competent major league hitter who mashes lefties. The A’s are sorely lacking in that department, and are likely to lose one of those players when Holliday is traded or leaves at the end of the season.
He’s cheap.
The traded guys, not counting the PTBNL, may turn out to be good major leaguers, but there isn’t much reason to get too upset about their departure at the moment.
The PTBNL is probably going to be Gallagher, unless his injury lingers. If it’s him, the guy has lost favor with Beane and won’t get it back. We’ve seen this many times over the years, and seem to be seeing it with Buck too. Besides, I’m not all that excited about Gallagher.
So basically, the A’s got a competent major league hitter (having a career year) for a bunch of guys who can’t stick on a crappy team or have struggled in the low minors.
If this trade makes it easier to make a Holliday deal, so much the better.
by bear88 on Jul 6, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
and what's more...
Gallagher and Gaudin can bitch about how BB screwed them…now that they’re teammates. god help us if we face the pads next year in interleague. They’ll be out for blood.
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Gaudin is a league average pitcher with the Pads
More reason I don’t want the PTBNL to be Gallagher.
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Free Travis Buck.
I have seen a lot of mention that the PTBNL could be Gallagher
but what about Fautino De Los Santos? Maybe the two pitchers that the Padres are choosing between are Eveland and DLS, with the reason for it being a PTBNL is that the Padres prefer DLS, but want to see him pitch for a month to see how he looks (he just recently came off the DL) and Eveland would be the consolation prize if San Diego is not impressed with how DLS looks. Seems plausible, and I just have a hard time thinking that Gallagher would be traded away for Hairston with how highly the A’s valued him just a year ago.
That sounds very plausible.
I forgot about FDLS.
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That would suck
I sure wouldn’t give up on DLS yet, given the recovery rate for TJ surgery and the high ceiling DLS had prior to the injury.
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I think anybody that has "DL" right in his name is an A for life
however short that is.
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by adragon on Jul 6, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Fautino have "Major League Service"??
Towers said the PTBNL had time in MLB.
Doesn’t seem to fit FDLS.
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by One won lost won on Jul 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe Towers said that one of the PTBNL had MLB experience
which would still be true if it was FDLS and Eveland that were the two to choose from.
Wait, Gallagher? So yet again we give away an ace right handed pitcher for essentially nothing a year down the line?
Zito > FA Departure
Mulder > Kiko Calero (gone) >Daris Barton (irrelevant)
Hudson > I don’t even remember. Dan Meyer?
Harden > Eric Patterson(sigh) >Sean Gallagher(traded the next year for an outfielder with a career high 17 HR and a lifetime .255 AVG)
I’m sorry, but enough is enough. We have been trading away talent for far too long, for nothing in return, or worse.
It pains me to say it, but I think Billy Beane is the problem, and he needs to go.
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Rediculousness follows:
Mulder > Kiko Calero (gone) >Daris Barton (irrelevant)
Yeah, that Mulder trade was just awful for us, wasn’t it. We had to deal with that Haren chump. And then we had to trade him for, like, an entire farm system worth of young talent. Yeah, that trade really bit us in the ass. Moron.
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Sorry, Zach. "moron" was a bit harsh
but man, if you’re trying to point out Beane’s failures, I would stay away from the Mulder robbery, and letting Zito go at exactly the right time. And the Harden trade remains to be seen; besides, what good is an “Ace” if he’s on the DL the whole year. As far as Hudson, yeah. We lost that one.
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Well I appreciate the rescinding. I have grown up watching a team that for the most part, hasn’t done a whole lot other than be tragically disappointing. Sure there were some enjoyable moments, and I don’t discount those, but I was only 4 when they won the World Series against the Giants, and I would just love to see them compete again.
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the earthquake pretty much ruined it for me
I was 12, but all I remember is being scared shitless by the aftershocks. It really threw a damper in rubbing the championship in my gnats friends’ faces. Still, trades have generally helped, rather than hurt the club in terms of bringing talent in. It sucks seeing players leave, though. No one can deny that.
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I had no concept of what an earthquake was, and remember nothing at that age. I do however, vividly recall my first memory, which is somewhat detailed in my profile.
What I think is missing, is the soul of the A’s. I mean, something as simple as bringing Rickey in to coach first base, or, if I may be so bold, MANAGE this team, I think would do a great deal to revive the soul of Easy Bay baseball.
But, it could be youthful naivety…or perhaps, I am a moron.
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K, I checked out the profile
A’s fan – check
Warrior’s fan – check
49ers fan – check
Cal Bears fan – check
Sharks fan – check
Just from that, you’re OK in my book. And I took the “roundabout moron test”. My buddy asked me, “Kallus, do you know any morons?” And I said “no”. So you’re not a moron.
As far as the “soul of the A’s”, I think you’re spot on. This team really doesn’t have an identity or a pulse. It’s an intangible, to be sure. But it’s one of the team’s biggest problems, IMHO. Braden offers some hope, but I wish that Swish was still here to keep some energy in the dugout.
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First living memory, at the Coliseum, in what I’ve been told was one of the first games Ken Griffey Jr. every played in the Majors.
Also, on a field trip to an A’s game in 1991, (private school, Fremont, we had awesome field trips) it just so happened to be the day Rickey broke Brock’s record. I actually have this sheet that Rickey paid to have done up, to be handed out to the fans in attendance. Years later, my stepfather brought it to my attention when he gave me the sheet, that he had taken to a calligraphist to be filled in. He also had it framed along with the ticket stub, against a green background.
Actually, I will have to dedicate a blog post in the future to the very unique piece of A’s memorabilia.
So when I say Rickey = The Soul of the A’s, it is biased, but it’s also hard to argue with. Rickey played the game the way that it was meant to be played, and unlike any player that I see in baseball today. I think his ideals in a leadership role with this ballclub could go a long way for the young guys trying to learn the game still.
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Soul, identity, pulse
this is an interesting point.
Do you think a lot of this has to come from the fans? An argument could certainly be made.
Could make an interesting fanpost.
Wait, so you don't want the A's to keep their players, but you don't want
them to trade them away either???
The A’s “kept” Zito for the 2006 playoff run. You “keep” a player until he hits free agency, you get the draft picks.
No Zito, no 2006 playoffs. Then, they let him go because he was declining anyway and that a team like the A’s will never give out a 100MM contract to a pitcher (which is a good thing, since big FA pitcher contracts have a history of being disasters).
Barry Zito = probably the worst contract in baseball. Definitely the worst pitching contract, since Alfonso Soriano is giving him a run for his money in terms of player.
And remember, Eric Chavez was like David Wright now and had no injury history when the A’s signed him to an extension. You can’t foresee injuries when they didn’t start becoming a problem until after the extension was signed. GMs =/= ESP
Every GM has a few shitty trades and signings in his book. I’m not saying Beane is invincible, but every GM has the stupid in their resume.
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Free Travis Buck.
Aaron Rowand
wants to talk to you about his contract.
As does Jason Schmidt
Jason Schmidt is up after this year
Zito has four more years
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, they're all pretty bad
let’s not have any mistake about that.
but like, Jason Schmidt didn’t even get on the field!
though, there’d be some giants fans who would have liked Barry to be injured more oft, i suspect
A year down the line
This year’s version of Rich Harden is injured (big shock), has a 5.35 ERA, and has allowed 15 HRs in 69 innings.
So Harden is responsible for more HRs than Hairston in 2009. I’ll give him that.
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Yeah, I’m a moron. Carlos Gonzalez, the prize of that deal, is in Colorado, and Dana Eveland and his +7.44 is really helping your argument.
I’m not here to call out anyone’s intelligence. But I won’t sympathize with mediocrity year after year. I simply want results.
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I was out of line on calling you a moron. I apologize for that.
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Dana Eveland
Last season Eveland started 29 games for the A’s and finished the year with a 4.34 ERA. Greg Smith started 32 games and finished the year with a 4.16 ERA. That’s huge. No, neither one of them was Cy Young, but to have 40% of your rotation covered by guys who don’t totally suck … you can’t just dismiss that as nothing.
Now I know you’re thinking: yeah, but neither one of them is any good now. Yeah, so what? You can’t discount the value of a transaction just because it’s in the past now. That’s like saying if you got a steak and lobster dinner for five bucks Friday night it was a lousy deal because you don’t have anything to show for it now.
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Good point. I suppose my expectations are a lot higher these days than they were when I was younger, living through the Todd Van Poppel’s, Mike Oquist’s, and a lot of dark days. I appreciate the Big 3, the Tejada, Giambi, Chavez early years, the 20 game win streak etc.
It’s just hard to watch Matt Holliday all but assumed gone, when in my mind, he’s the type of player you would want to build an offense around…right?
I guess I just want to see a team that isn’t in a perpetual rebuilding phase.
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Wait, huh?
You can’t discount the value of a transaction just because it’s in the past? Then when can you discount the value of a transaction? In the future? I don’t understand. You always evaluate a transaction by how the player performs after it, not prior to it.
Perhaps I wasn't clear.
If it’s 2009 and you’re evaluating a trade that was made in 2007, you can’t ignore 2008.
Part of the value in the Haren trade was a year each from Eveland and Smith.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Anderson is a far better prospect than Gonzalez.
You also have to add whatever Holliday nets in a trade to the Haren haul.
And Cunningham and Carter are top prospects with impact potential. Both have a really high chance of being above average regulars.
Dana Eveland’s 2009 MLB ERA = small sample size. His 2008 sample is a better way to look at things, and that performance would earn him a spot in the rotations of at least 20 teams. The fact that he didn’t earn a spot in the A’s rotation shows how much upside is in our rotation.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Especially Carter - he has a chance to be that 30+ HR guy
the A’s so desperately need, and he’s a right-handed hitter.
Disagree on Eveland, though. His 2008 numbers were smoke and mirrors and he can’t crack the A’s rotation because he’s not a good pitcher.
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Smoke, mirrors, crack...
Sometimes, I just want to smack Eveland! What a dope!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Hmm...All those agitations on the mound,
pacing, tugging. Now it all makes sense.
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Not a good pitcher but decent enough though
Agreed that he was smoke and mirrors last year, but I think a team takes a flyer. Lots of smoke and mirrors guys have gotten a little more than a flyer taken on them. And, he’s definitely better than what a lot of teams are running out there, even the expensive contending ones.
I’m pretty sure he’s better the Tim Redding/Livan Hernandez/Fernando Nieve (LMAO) brigade of the Mets, some of the crap the Phillies have run out there (Rodrigo Lopez? Chan Ho Park? wut?), Brewers (Mike Burns? Seth McClung?).
And does anyone think Jose Contreras is going to continue the tear he’s on. The White Sox really need some help in the pitching depth department.
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Free Travis Buck.
Hes a lefty... which explains all that stuff :-P
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
My problem with the PTBNL being Gallagher is this ...
we officially concede that we gave Rich Harden to the Cubs for nothing.
Yes, I understand that we may have flipped Gallagher for Hairston, but it still means we got taken. No way Beane makes the deal with Chicago if he thought he’d turn around the following year and deal Gallagher.
We traded Rich Harden for a “star in the making” pitcher that we may have just traded, a AAAA second baseman in Patterson, and a catcher (Donaldson) still 2-3 years away from making an impact. Not a shining moment on the Beane resume.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Oh, wait, we got Matt Murton, too.
I can still hear the Cubs laughing.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Are the Cubs laughing about Harden’s 5.35 ERA, or about the 15 HRs he’s given up in 69 IP this year? Or maybe it’s the trip to the DL that got them chuckling.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Good point
Harden’s numbers certainly aren’t “stellar”. Still, a year later, looking at things as they stand now … I’d cancel out that trade in a second. And I think Beane would, too.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Beware the Donaldson!
Hidden gem of the trade.
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I'll never understand why he is hidden.
Seriously, how do people always forget about him.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
I really like Donaldson
who if Suzuki and Powell stay put and healthy could even be the answer at 3b, but I still hated the trade. You have to remember that he was OPSing 620 at the time of the trade and had a lot of problems behind the plate. Yes he has turned out well so far but he was a low level flier and not a piece of a lot of value.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Law had him in his top 100 the year before.
He was just stinking it up that year. I don’t know about everyone else, but Law at least made a big point from the beginning that the A’s were getting a seriously undervalued prospect in Donaldson.
Im not a big Keith Law fan... but props to him if he got it right so far.
Im just suggesting that if your rational for success is the throw in who cant defend and couldn’t hit at the time, your trade wasn’t very good. Its like saying that a book was terrible but thats ok because it makes a handy doorstop.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2009 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly....
But I don’t think Vacafan realizes that Beane parlayed Matt Murton (who has actually done OK with the Rockies in limited action) into Corey Wimberly, a sweet hitting speedy outfielder. The key for Wimberly is getting healthy. He’s been out since April, and had injury problems last year too.
The Harden trade looks pretty good for the A’s right now. We have at least three strong prospects as a direct or indirect result of that trade (Donaldson, Gallagher, Wimberly), plus a AAAA insurance policy in Patterson. Not only has Harden been hurt again this year, but he’s pitching at or below league average, which indicates that more problems are likely on the way. Which is exactly why we traded him, because the odds of long term health/success were pretty low.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden's 2009 salary
Plus we can put what we would have had to pay in Harden’s salary to better use this year.
also, Wimberly can play 2nd
he was there during spring training, right?
Uh
Wimberly isn’t any good…
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
But he's got high socks!
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And backflips!
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And he's rly fast!
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On the contrary...
He doesn’t hit for power, but his other career offensive numbers are quite good — .313 AVG, .382 OBP, 190 SB over parts of 5 minor league seasons. Looks like a great leadoff guy. Defensively he’s still a work in progress, presumably either in the outfield or second base where his fielding % has been in the .960’s. If his defense improves, he has a decent shot.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We got TJ Mathews and Jason Isringhausen for Mark McGwire, but I’m not sure if that’s on Alderson’s watch or not…but I’m fairly certain that was Beane.
In comparison, the Harden deal wasn’t anywhere near as heart breaking as that, or Tim Hudson, for Dan Meyer.
But maybe Beane is just intentionally taking lopsided deals, so he can suddenly pounce and package Bobby Crosby and Eric Chavez for an entire infield of AAA Top 100 prospects.
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McGwire trade was Alderson, not Beane.
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Free Travis Buck.
Isringhausen came from the Mets
For Billy Taylor, I think
by jpl on Jul 6, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree.
From what I hear about Beane’s interest in Hairston, it seems to me he would have considered a deal of Harden for Hairston, straight up. In that case, flipping Gallagher turns into a three-way deal to land a coveted player. Add that to the fact the Gallagher’s and Harden’s stock has both dropped, while Hairston’s has risen, and Beane looks pretty smart.
But we also got
Donaldson, Wimberly, and Patterson out of it.
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by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jul 6, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a problem with this kind of reasoning
Each trade needs to be evaluated on its own merit. We didn’t get Wimberly as part of the Rich Harden trade. We got Matt Murton. They are not the same guy.
The fact that we were able to trade Murton for Wimberley is great — but that’s a separate trade that needs to be evaluated on its own.
If we’re able to trade a guy we got in a bad deal, and we end up on the better end the second time around … this doesn’t suddenly make the first trade a good one.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
But how would the A's have been able to acquire Wimberly for Murton
if they hadn’t acquired Murton? A player is worth either his value on the field or his value in helping you to get someone else on the field.
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Just because you don't like it....
…doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. You can’t look at individual trades in total isolation and expect to have a real view of value/benefit. Trades that look good/bad initially may change as time goes by.
However, even looking at it from your perspective, Murton was a solid player for the Cubs for three years. He’s also putting up decent numbers for the Rockies (.278/.333/.500) in limited AB’s, numbers right in line with his career stats. Thus, using your own logic, Murton was a valuable piece of the Harden deal. The fact that he didn’t do anything for the A’s in his brief opportunity is statistically insignificant.
by andyinfremont on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you guys are saying,
let me see if I can better explain my take.
I disagree with you andy — just because Murton is playing better in Colorado doesn’t mean he was a good acquisition for the A’s. IOW, this doesn’t make the Harden trade looks better. Murton didn’t do a thing for us. That’s all that matters … if we trade for a guy and he bombs for Oakland, then it was a bad trade. Period. What he goes on to do for someone else is completely irrelevant.
Nico, in my opinion, if we make a bad trade that includes Matt Murton — who did very little for Oakland while he was here — and then we make a good trade by dealing Murton for Wimberly … that’s fortunate, but it’s not shrewd, by any means. Basically, it’s “whew, at least we were able to trade this guy we THOUGHT was good, but we missed on, for someone who might be able to help us later.”
I agree that trading Murton for Wimberly makes the Harden trade a little more digestible, but it, by no means, makes it a good trade. If we deal Gallagher, a big “if” right now, then Beane failed big time. There is no way in hell Beane expected Gallagher would be so bad.
PS – You’re opinions of C. Wimberly are verrrrrrrrry generous.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Hypothetically, if the deal we got for Harden was far and away the best on the table at that point,
would you still argue it’s a bad trade? Or would you rather have had Harden?
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
If that trade was the "best on the table" ...
I think that we should’ve waited. I thought we gave him away too cheaply then, and I still believe that. In fact, I’m more convinced of that now that it looks like Gallagher may be a Padre.
If you’re asking me would I rather have Patterson, Donaldson, Wimberly, and Hairston right now or Harden? I’d take the 4 players. But I think we could’ve gotten better value for Harden last year had we waited … we’ll never know.
If you’re asking me would I rather have Patterson, Donaldson, Murton, and Gallagher or Harden? Harden in a landslide.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Really?
First of all, waiting might have been a terrible idea. It’s easy to look back and say “Oh, Harden was healthy, trading him at the time was a bad idea”. But noone could forsee him staying healthy the rest of the year.
And, why would you rather have Harden over hte four we traded for in a landslide?
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Because
I think Murton’s horrible. He’ll move between AAA and the bigs his entire career. Only to fill an injured player’s spot until he comes off the DL.
I think Patterson is a major-league backup at best. A poor man’s Scutaro, only not nearly as good.
Gallagher looks like a bust — certainly not better than Harden, injuries or no. At best, he and Harden are a push. Except Gallagher isn’t even pitching at the major-league level. Say what you want about Harden, but at least he’s 5-5. How many games has Gallagher won for us this year?
Donaldson is the wild-card. He may, he may, be a productive player for Oakland in the future.
So, all in all, knowing what we know now (which is what you’re asking me), I’d go ahead and keep Harden.
Yes, “waiting might have been a terrible idea.” It might not have been, as well. Why couldn’t we forsee him being healthy the rest of the year? Are you saying we had to assume he’d be hurt? The Cubs obviously didn’t assume that. And they got a good pitcher for nothin’.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Well, for one,
this is all hindsight bias, like you said.
Patterson is still a prospect, as he is OPSing 869 in AAA, Gallagher has great potential, is under cost control for a good while, as opposed to Harden who would be gone after this year. And Donaldson could be freaking awesome.
I don’t think you can argue that we should have forseen Harden’s newfound health. It would be stupid to count on him to be healthy, ever.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
I'm ok with it, as long as we keep Gallagher
and see what he can do. I’d like to think he can develop into a nice piece for us. My rant began with the assumption that Gallagher is the PTBNL going to SD.
I hope not — like I’ve mentioned, I think the A’s ought to bend over backwards to make sure Gallagher suceeds. He was the key piece in the Harden deal, and he needs to do at least as well as Harden.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
In a sense, Beane DID get taken on the Harden deal.
Regardless of how the other pieces of the deal may work it, it is surely true that Beane was really enthusiastic about getting Gallagher in the Harden trade. And whether or not Gallagher is the PTNBL in the current trade, it is surely true that Gallagher has not worked out nearly as well as he had hoped.
In terms of trade-ego points, that is a sunk cost. There’s no further harm when he “officially concedes” it by trading away Gallagher to someone else who wants him.
Usually we see people here complaining that Beane is unwilling to admit mistakes. It’s an interesting twist to see someone complain when he cuts his losses.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I totally agree
It’s all water under the bridge at this point, but I just have a really hard time believing that Beane didn’t think Gallagher had the potential to be something special.
I can guarantee you that he didn’t think he’d be trading him away the following season. IMO, Beane and the A’s ought to do all they can to help Gallagher succeed. But you’re right — “cutting their loss” by trading Gallagher is a concession that we missed, to be sure.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
I think the trade is a good move by Beane.
We assume Holliday will be gone after this season and we will take our two draft picks, so that leaves an OF of (Hariston, Buck, Sweeney, and Cunningham) for 2010 which seems alright with me.
"Where's the beef?"
I’m just all sorts of wrong here…all the disappointment just melts together.
Terrence Long for Kenny Rogers, I do remember that.
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Disappointment
I love this thread. We all SO want BB to somehow make our A’s better and more interesting.
But Zach is right. We can debate the merits of BB trades til doomsday, but at some point you have to step back and look at the big picture. We sucked last year. We suck this year. At some point, we get better or the fans move on.
We were in rebuilding mode the last two years.
We are in rebuilding mode now. I don’t think the criticism of the product on the field now is fair, as it is expected and part of the plan.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
From what I've heard
the PTBNL is a starter with major league service time. So, I’m thinking Dana Eveland, Sean Gallagher, Jerome Williams….dont know who else
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The player is definitely a starter now?
Where did you hear this?
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
padres beat writer i think
said the pads have their choice of two starters with mlb service time, to be decided at end of month
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by harendaman365 on Jul 6, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
One has service time
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
They still haven't announced a corresponding roster move.
Usually, these things are done really promptly.
Which makes me think trade.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I read on Wikipedia...
that Hairston is a Jehovah’s Witness. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I’m not too excited about the new design of the A’s Magazine.
i can see it now
Hairston gets a hit against the Angels, and then asks Kendry Morales if he’s heard the good news
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by harendaman365 on Jul 6, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Kendry: "That we're 10 games ahead of you in the standings? Yeah."
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We're all gonna die!
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but only 144k of us will be saved.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 6, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a serious post;
If Garciaparra went to Beane and asked to be traded to a contender like Boston or NYY for a utility role, (assuming a team actually wanted him) what would Beane ask for?
"Where's the beef?"
relax everyone
you dont get a cost controlled hairston for 2+ seasons in return for 2 filler relievers that are likely C/C+ prospects. Hairston has proven to be a slightly above avg CF, destroys lefties, and did it in a tough hitting ballpark. Yes, A’s may have bought into a career season but right now he’s basically a cheap, just as productive version of holliday. They got a potential holliday replacement and solid hitter + will recoup what was traded away in future trades if and when holliday, kennedy, springer, etc are gone. Even if it is gallagher, he’s been a bust and displeased the front office. He is chad gaudin part II w/ a great arm, lousy control, and inconsistent breaking stuff. Gallagher was passed up by cahill/mazzaro/anderson/braden/outman since spring.
NEW THREAD OPEN
600 comments being enough for one thread!
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Oh come on
We can’t be like Lookout Landing?
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
We must not stoop to their level!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't Milton Bradley available?
Well I guess I’m glad Bradley isn’t available… I was worried that the A’s might do well and towards the deadline BB might trade for MB… My best friend (Dodger Fan) still thanks me for that one… At least it should get Cust out of the RF… I don’t know about Hairston as a defender but he’ll have to be impressive to displace Sweeney IMO let Hairston hold down RF til Holliday is traded then move him to left and hopefully Buck or Cunningham TAKE the RF starting job…
6+4+3=2
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Gallagher PTBNL
It makes sense that Gallagher will be the PTBNL as he is currently on the DL. Both teams waiting till rehab complete to make sure he is okay and medically cleared. Next year Gallagher would be out of options, when a player is added to the 40 man he has three option years. This was Gallaghers third year and would make sense since the A’s already think they have enough starting pitching and Gallagher not included.
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