Orlando Cabrera Traded; John Sickels Report on Tyler Ladendorf
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
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PrintI love the fact that the A's have been active and the funny thing is that this team seems to be playing with more zest than they have all year long. Youth is served? Regardless, the A's have traded Orlando Cabrera for minor league shortstop Tyler Ladendorf. This was inevitable with the A's out of it this year and the A's not getting anything when Cabrera leaves after the season. But what did the A's get in return?
They get shortstop Tyler Ladendorf. And outside of a really cool first name and the nickname "Dorf on Golf" (you KNOW that's happened in clubhouses wherever he's been), what does Minor League Ball's John Sickels think of Ladendorf? Well, here is what Sickels wrote in his Baseball Prospect book 2009:
Tyler Ladendorf was junior college superstar at Howard JC in Texas in '07 and '08, showing tremendous speed, developing power and reasonable defense at shortstop despite a mediocre arm. The Twins drafted him in the second round last June, and bought him away from a University of Oklahoma commitment. Assigned to rookie ball, he didn't show nearly the same kind of hitting ability he showed at the JC level. His plate discipline was OK and he swiped six bases in six attempts, but he had no power. It is too early to give up, but Ladendorf obviously has a lot of work to do to live up to his $673,000 bonus and put his tools to work on the field. Grade C
Sickels wrote this well in advance of the 2009 season. Ladendorf has had a mixed season so far in the minors and he's probably a bit of a longer term project even though he's 21 years old. The good news is that the A's got something for a guy who was leaving and they wouldn't get anything for. Cabrera is someone who I think wore the green and gold well unlike Matt Holliday, who just seemed disinterested in being in Oakland and had the look of a short-timer from day one and played like it. Best of luck to O-Cab. And the Cliff Pennington era starts now. Time to see what the A's have all over the field.
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by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been a fan of Cabrera since 2004
and still enjoy him as a player. I’m glad he was with the A’s this season.
As for Ladendorf, here is the FanGraph stat page for 2008 and 2009.
He seems to have progressed nicely in his time a rookie ball.......
And hopefully after an OK start in A ball he can progress there enough to get to AA some time next season.
S&BP > Mile High Mules
Dorf gained fame in his college freshman season by going 65/65 in SB
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
I'l actually miss Cabrera
Pennington has never impressed me—hard to see how he’ll grow into an upgrade over Crosby but at least he has some speed and can steal bases.
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It totally temporary.....
unless Pennington can catch lightning in a bottle the rest of the season.
S&BP > Mile High Mules
Something may be better than nothing...
…but, doesn’t this mean the A’s now have NOTHING available to play SS?
*cough*Bobby Crosby*cough*
Oh yeah, you’re right.
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
It's time to see if any of the AAA guys can stick with regular playing time.
If not, then we know more than we did before. If so, then YAY!
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
For the rest of the season.......
it looks like Pennington with BoCro the backup. But dont expect BoCro to get any real time there as he has actually found some value in a UI role off the bench and spot starting.
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its cliff.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Norm!
I mean,
Cliff!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
On Wikipedia yesterday
at the bottom of the Orlando Cabrera page they had a list of the Minnesota Twins Current Roster, maybe someone out there knew before the story broke.
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Someone may have been bored and really, really hopeful as well.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Wikipedia pages about sports
attract a lot more vandalism than other WIkipedia pages. Not saying this was vandalism per se, but clearly someone posted before the information was properly verified. Even if you do have an inside source, it doesn’t belong on Wikipedia before it’s announced publicly.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I agree that Cabrera played hard and well for the A’s, while Holliday appeared uninterested. Holliday is childish and cares mostly about making his cash. He showed a bad side of himself, but we picked up Brett Wallace, who has a chance to become a big star and the face of the franchise for us. A local guy who was an A’s fan and wants to be here.
Go A’s!
Don't really buy this
Just because someone is uncharismatic and doesn’t smile very much, does not make him childish and cash obsessed.
Sure, he didn’t play as well as A’s fans hoped, but to suggest he didn’t care is ungrounded speculation
Holliday didnt hustle
I remember during the A’s short stretch where the Pitchers shut everyone down earlier in the year and the A’s were on a winning streak. Holliday made a diving catch, and the comment from the announcer(I believe it was Fosse) said that Holliday wouldn’t have caught that one a week before. I thought that I was the only one to notice his lack of hustle, but I wasn’t.
Why would he come up with an organization to which he should be loyal and turn down 4 years -$72 mil. That’s a lot of money. He’s one of the guys who’s concerned only with money. Players who go only for the cash, generally aren’t as good as guys who want to win.
With the A’s he frequently went out of the strike zone and made outs. I felt that he was trying to get RBI’s to pad his stats.
As far as his complaints about the stadium. He should take a hike. The A’s have had many great players and have had a lot of success, H shouldn’t think he’s too good for Oakland. I don’t ever want him back
The only thing I don't get is that
he had all the incentive in the world to prove that he is worth the money he wants, but he didn’t. Did Boras tell him not to strain himself or break something, fearing no big payday?
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a slow starter
His batting average is now up to .299, and his OPS is fast rising as well, now at .862
Had the A’s kept him, his end of year statistics would probably sit at something like .310/.400/.500 which, when adjusted for ballpark, is right around where they should have been.
"Holliday is childish and cares mostly about making his cash."
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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
most of the human race is childish and cares mostly about making their cash...
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Cash is just one tool used for exchanges.
Since most exchanges involve trying to get things you want while surrendering the minimum of what you’re willing to, then is being ‘childish’ a bad thing?
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I despise money.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Does using money cause you anguish and misery?
Or do you strictly trade in charity and acknowledgements?
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Then why is she always sending it away?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Cash rules everything around me.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for the record
I think there are players that play for the money only, and I think there are players that really want to win … they know they’ll make millions regardless … but they want to win, too.
It isn’t fair to say that “everyone” only cares about the money. This isn’t true.
Holliday played half-ass a lot. That doesn’t make him a bad guy — doesn’t make him a bad player …. but he played half-ass sometimes.
Is it “pure speculation”? Yup. Kinda like hearing a bank got robbed up the street and then seeing a guy running down an alley with a bullet wound in his leg and 4 bags of money in his arms. Is he the culprit? Don’t know for sure … just speculatin’.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Sorry to break it to you.....
but Wallace was a Giants fan. He liked the A’s too, but was a Giants fan nonetheless.
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Why do you say this?
Because every single quote I saw up until the draft says the contrary
Wallace was an Oakland fan.
It was Tommy Everidge that was the Giants fan.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
From Brett Wallace’s Sun Devils profile:
“favorite team is the Oakland A’s and favorite player is Eric Chavez”
I couldn't agree more.
Maybe Chavez can help him with his technique at 3rd before he is stuck in a wheel chair for the rest of his life (after next season)
yeah no
wrong
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Living off the process
I remember in several interviews Lew Wolf stating the Fremont deal couldnt go thru because the town was “living off the process”. I have been a huge fan of Billy Beane over the years, but honestly it seems this is what the job has become for him as well. Prospects, for prospects, for prospects. Living off the process. There doesnt seem to be a real end goal in mind. With O-Cab gone maybe Pennington will Shine..and get us a great package of prospects in a few years. Or maybe this single A guy from the twins will light it up..and get us a great group of prospects in a few years. At the moment Suzuki is one of our best players. I bet Billy is drooling at the possible package of “prospects” he will be able to get for him when he is up for free agency. At what point is the era of prospects going to end? What good are prospects when they will just become another group of prospects once they are proven major league talent? Im sorry to be bitter. I just want to win some games sigh
by Karisman on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Being cranky is okay
I feel the same way. I understand the logic of the Cabrera trade in that the A’s get back something when they would’ve gotten back nothing. On the other hand, Cabrera’s drive, energy and bat would be helpful both to the young pitchers as well as to those of us who actually want to be entertained this year, in 2009.
"O-CAB TAKES NO WALKS
O-CAB SEE BALL. O-CAB CRUSH BALL"
A hell of a lot more entertaining, I agree.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Once 'ol beane hits the sack
That’s when ERAS PROSPECTUS ends.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya I can't remember the last offseason
That he picked up a middle of the order LF, a starting SS and a couple veteran pieces in an attempt to compete.
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by niallmack on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Almost certain the intention was to flip them for prospects.
Assuming they didn’t break.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
so...
he paid a group of prospects for holliday and approx half of his annual salary so he can have a chance to trade him for prospects?
and everything would go down the drain (in addition to holliday’s remaining salary) if he got hurt?
The Not-So-Casual Fan
If the A's were within 5 games of the Angels, Matt Holliday would still be in
green and gold
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
exactly why i said logic fail to EQC’s statement
Almost certain the intention was to flip them for prospects.
The Not-So-Casual Fan
I think it was a win-win situation.
Either he helps us win the division, or he helps get us prospects.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I work very hard to be a logical failure.
I call it my masterpiece.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And what Billy does is called....
Director of Minor League Player Development.
Have the this team's fan ever REALLY rewarded the proceess
<At what point is the era of prospects going to end? What good are prospects when they will just become another group of prospects once they are proven major league talent? Im sorry to be bitter. I just want to win some games sigh
When the team was reaching the playoffs? Case in point.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
A bottom tier prospect
A lot of people are frustrated. Losing does that. I’m sure the players are frustrated, too. One thing that happens when teams start to lose year after year is that an attitude starts to set in place – we’re losers, that just what we do – that is hard to change. A few more years of no offensive talent and the “we’re losers” mindset just might take hold of this team. I hope not.
Three years down the road Ladendorf may be good, but more than likely he won’t be. He’s the number 30 or so prospect in the Twins system. He seems to have a good attitude and athleticism, but not a whole lot in the skills and instinct department.
This move is one small step above releasing Cabrera outright, although it might save on some salary. If this is as good as the A’s could get, they should have let Cabrera play out the season. You have to have at least a few real players out there otherwise people are being asked to pay 30 bucks for a ticket, 18 bucks to park, and 8 bucks for beer to see minor leaguers. I can see minor leaguers in San Jose for much cheaper. The barbeque is pretty good down there too.
It’s clear Beane had no interest in signing Cabrera at the end of the year or Carbrera had no interest in staying with the A’s.
by rovingralph on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Not according to Slusser
This was a chance to pick up a prospect for the cost of whatever money Beane threw in the deal, and Cabrera re-signs in the off-season.
I don’t like the deal. But….the losing mindset business? I don’t buy that at all. Look at Tampa Bay. Look at the Twins when they re-invigorated themselves. Look at this year’s Giants. Teams with prospects who mature together often make huge jumps.
OCab had a clause that paid him an extra $250,000 if he was traded
That is the money sent to the Twins in this deal
A's fan, trapped in North Carolina!
Weird stuff
So you’re saying Beane tells Cabrera: We love you, we’ll loan you out to the Twins for a couple of months, I’ll save some money, and we really want you back? That’s pretty twisted stuff. But with Beane, who knows?
We did the same with Rickey in '93.
He went to the Jays, picked up a ring, and was back by Spring. Not sure of the circumstances other than Rickey seemed to like Oakland.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I do not give a rat's behind about winning any more games this season
Seriously. It’s completely over. However many wins this team gets from now ‘til the end of the season is purely for posterity. I am not an advocate for tanking it— say, for prospects— but as long as they trot the young guys out every day and they play hard, they could end the season with exactly as many wins as they have now and I’d be fine.
In this regard, things were different for me back in 2006 when they were contending and every game truly did matter. This is not 2006.
So I like the deal. Grab a 2nd round SS prospect— a position of need within the organization— and all you give up is a declining veteran who won’t make a lick of difference on this season anyway.
Is it 2010 yet?
Comments like this make me wish there was no post-season at all.
Just play out the regular season and then that’s all until next year.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
FWIW, in the interview with Beane that was posted this week
he basically said his favorite part of being a GM was rebuilding. A team like Oakland, given its resources, revenue, etc., has to “build it up and tear it apart every 5-10 years” out of necessity.
As much as I expected this since we acquired him
I’m gonna miss the guy.
Good luck in Twinkie town, O-Cab.
Now let’s start picking at Ladendorf. Mostly on his name.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
Not the right place for this...
But the big news of the day is the Red Sox getting Victor Martinez for the stretch drive.
The guy’s a catcher/DH. His OPS is barely better than Varitek, and if he plays DH, Ortiz sits. And the Red Sox gave up some good prospects.
Am I missing something here?
Oh you know that the BoSox
just stock up on hitters for the stretch. Besides he can play a little 1B, so its a good move for them.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
So he'll be a sub...
Rotate Varitek, Lowell, Youkilis and Ortiz, and get Martinez in nearly every day? That’s quite a luxury.
Jeez, I hate the Red Sox and the Yankees. I really hope Tampa Bay goes on a 15-game win streak and one of those teams loses 15 in a row.
Yes, you're missing something.
You’re missing the other general-purpose trade threads over there in the side bar.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Apparently I am. I'm in Boston & haven't heard this yet.
[heads to John Sickels’ site]
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Why Not Give BoCro One More Shot?
The SS postion for the A’s is still a mess. From what I have read on this site it doesn’t seem that we a SS that is ready. Right now I’d place more value on being able to provide the best lineup for our young pitchers. I am not a big BroCro fan, but why not give him the month of August to prove what he can do? If he fails miserably, then he is gone and can be replaced by one of the September call ups. If he succeeds then we have decent competion for the position going into 2010.
Too, I do like the “put pressure on the other team” philosophy employed by the A’s since about July 1. The aggressive base running and seamingly more aggressive approach at the plate (except for Cust) at least makes the games worthwhile to watch. OCab was a key player in this philosophy. I do hope who ever replaces him will contribute to this approach.
Why Not Give BoCro One More Shot?
I’d rather give the shot to Pennington, really.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
We are 100% sure that Crosby stinks,
but we’re only 95% sure that Pennington stinks,
so let’s give him some rope to hang himself with,
and if he happens to by chance lasso himself a job instead,
well then bonus for us!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm 99% sure
Crosby sucks and 100% sure that Pennington won’t pad out.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
I Don't See Alot of Downside with a Crosby experiment
The A’s sit the dude if he is truly aweful to start. But maybe…just maybe…he will use this chance to up his game to the likes of his rookie of the year season. If not, we move on to the prospect of the week.
So Crosby proves himself and then signs with someone else?
I’d rather let Pennington get consistent starts.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Why Not Give BoCro One More Shot?
I think they’ve given him enough shots.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
so....who's gonna bat second now?
Not a lot of good options here.
by coffee roaster on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Davis is on fire.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe move Davis to leadoff
and bat Kennedy second?
by coffee roaster on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweeney is hitting around .330 in his last 35 games or so.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Last 28 days: .279/.310/.353
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
No
Davis should be kept low in the order. He’s a 8/9 hitter at best, with speed.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
Can someone give me the argument against Cust in the 2 hole?
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
I wish Cabrera well.
I had no problems with his play this season. Let’s give Pennington a shot and see what happens. I have a feeling Crosby may be playing some at SS as well.
I liked Cabrera
Out of the guys who gave us less than expected, he gave us the most.
I wish I could make that sound less awful.
But really, I liked how he held himself accountable; may not mean that much to some fans, but it was refreshing to me.
I'm here to talk about the past.
You, sir, are refreshing.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't give him any ideas 67M
Come on, now. :|
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
A leader
is one thing this franchise so desperately lacks.
I was watching him celebrate in the dugout last week and thought, man if he and Holliday were on this team in 06 we could have gone all the way.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
Susan Slusser was just on ESPNEWS
saying that she wouldn’t be surprised to see Beane pursue O-Cab again in this offseason because he was so well-liked and fit into the clubhouse really well. I wouldn’t mind seeing that at all.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't either
But isn’t that a little schizophrenic? I mean, this guy Ladendorf might be good, but wouldn’t it have just been better to keep Cabrera and apparently, the money?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it that way at all
Hell, Beane got a guy to take a chance on AND he has the opportunity to re-sign a temporary solution who he knows fits well into the clubhouse and can still perform well on the field instead of just losing him for nothing in case he decides to walk away.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
And we saved money...
The difference between Cabrera’s remaining salary for this year ($1.5 mil?), less the $250,000 we sent to the Twins due to Cabrera’s trade-bonus clause. So the A’s saved roughly $1.25 million that hopefully can be plowed into contract extensions, FA’s, etc….
by andyinfremont on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
And OCab could come back to us with a second WS ring.
It’s like he’d have his cake and eat it too.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If he could sign OC
for the 2-3 Million range awesome. We gave him up out of contention for a high upside athletic SS, and have the chance of getting him back and losing zilch as far as prospects. Pennington probably wont be any kind of answer, Crosby is laughable at the plate, and thats about it for our SS’s. We could very well re-sign him.
means we paid 250K for the Dorf
The Not-So-Casual Fan
I must admit that I was an O-Cab hater...
and did not want the A’s to sign him. But now? I don’t necessarily love him (in a Tejada way) but I really respect him and think that it would be great if we picked him up again.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
The non-waiver deadline is over in about 21 minutes.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
is it worth it?
Personally I would have rather had O-cab til the end of the season over this a-ball scrub. Baseball skills aside, he would have been a good mentor to Gio etal that makes it worthwhile.
Well he can still just as easily mentor him as a minnesota twin.
While he collects 4 hits off Gio in an A’s/Twins series, he can tell him “HEY GIO, WHAT YOU THREW TO ME, DON’T EVER THROW THAT AGAIN” from the basepaths.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Value
It’s kinda funny to me that a proven major leaguer is apparently worth less on his own than an unproven Single-A guy at the same position.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
Well, I think time has something to do with it
The Twins get 2-3 months of OrCa at a prorated portion of his $4 million dollar salary. If somehow OrCa was signed to a 3-year contract for the ML minimum, I’m guessing he would be worth more.
you would think another team could have done better than Dorf
the Twins must have been the only ones pursuing him
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
If Cabrerra stays the season the a's get nothing.
so trading him for something is better than nothing.
I could care less about the players involved in this deal.
I just hope that between trading Holliday and Cabrera and not paying ALL of their combined salaries for the rest of the season, Beane and Company have saved enough cash to be able to quickly sign Grant Green, Max Stassi and Sam Dyson and get them playing professional games for this organization before the end of the minor league season.
Green + Stassi + Dyson + Ladendorf + Wallace + Mortensen + Peterson > 2 months of Cabrera + Holliday
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Insofar as I know
The money was always there. With revenue sharing, the A’s make a profit.
Beane intimated during a recent interview with Slusser that the team..
will likely lose money this season. If that is/will be the case, then it makes sense that Wolf might be loathe to pay overslot bonuses on recent draftees. Thus, Beane might have had added incentive to free up some cash in the baseball operations department.
That’s just my own speculation, though.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
they are losing money because they aren't winning
hopefully they see where they have failed this season and won’t EVER repeat this again.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
Everyone is losing money this year.
It’s the business cycle.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Nope. Not everyone is losing money.
Shitty teams in shitty markets are losing money.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
There is no f'in way any team in MLB is losing money ...
this is complete and total bulls***, and any owner or GM saying this is lying his ass off. Losing money … um, ok.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Depends how he's defining it.
If he’s including depreciation and interest, I believe him.
Owners get most of their money from gain in value of the team, not from business operations.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Maybe it will be used to sign Geren to an extension.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
Good Points
We really have to save some cash for the Geren extension. How we will ever afford to keep him?
We should bring back 21 year old ballgirls.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m in favor of that.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Geren apparently is the lowest paid manager in MLB
Do you not think he deserves a raise?
No me neither…..
You get what you pay for I suppose
+ a million
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X3
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
well
lets hope you are at least half right! ;)
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
Remember though
MLB hierarchy has been reluctant to approve over-slot bonuses this early. The A’s may have had all the cash they needed to sign Green+Stassi+Dyson prior to these deals but they wanted to wait for the red tape to clear on its own.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Really?
I don’t get this trade at all. Why not just let him go into free agency and get a compensatory draft pick? Sounds like this kid is not all that promising based on the scouting reports and stats.
A's couldn't offer him arb as part of his contract
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Cabrera's contract had a clause that prevented the A's from offering arbitration
Bad deal on Beane’s part there
A's fan, trapped in North Carolina!
Could've prevented Cabrera from signing the contract, though
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or required the A's to pay more than just 4M
The Not-So-Casual Fan
I think Beane had a pretty good idea he was going to flip OCab.
Or, if they were still in the running, it would have been worth the tradeoff.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Its another money deal
thats not about what we get in return.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
Glad he's gone.
It figures that we deal him right after he finds the bat he left at home for most of the season, but whatever. We got something for him, and we’re not missing anything without him.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
No ARB
Not offering arb allows the A’s to get a player for a cheaper price. The A’s did the same thing with Jay Payton a few years ago.
They chose not to offer to Payton
cabrera made sure they didn’t have the option
A's fan, trapped in North Carolina!
I really wish Blez had not said this:
The good news is that the A’s got something for a guy who was leaving and they wouldn’t get anything for.
Look, I understand the logic of the trade, and I have no problem with it. I also understand the bit about not getting any draft picks because of the arbitration clause in the contract.
But when you characterize giving up O-Cab as giving up nothing at all, an idea repeated by a half-dozen commenters in this thread, you make it sound like he’s worthless.
What we gave up in this trade is two more months of O-Cab. That may not be a lot, and it may be worth it for the prospect we got, but it’s not nothing. To carelessly word your trade observations in a way that implies it is nothing is a sure way to piss off all the people who are frustrated with the rebuilding process.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
and
dont we give up a 1st rounder since we signed OCab?
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
no, his deal with the A's will be the same with the Twins
since it’s the same deal. Twins can’t offer him arby.
I do wonder what the Twins will do for SS next year
Do they have anyone in the high minors to slot in?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm not really sure what to make of Ladendorf
Every scouting report I read on the guy is different. MLB.com listed him at 5’11", MiLB.com had him at 6’0" and Scout.com has him at 6’2", and his weight is listed anywhere from 185 to 210.
They say he’s a freak athlete but he may grow too large and be forced to move off SS. I guess it’s not totally contradictory, but when you think of freak athletes, you don’t think of them becoming too fat to hold their own at their position.
Also, Sickels said he has a “mediocre arm”, while Scout.com called it “tremendous.”
I guess he’s just a toolsy guy that’s somewhat of a wild card, and people are just in disagreement about how good his tools are.
wait, who are we talking about again? :)
I don't always blog. But when I do, I prefer AN. Stay thirsty my friends.
When they talk about a guy outgrowing a position...
… it doesn’t necessarily refer to his waistline. Obviously, dudes fill out as they get older. Sometimes it results in losing some agility in the field.
Pujols, for instance, came up as a shortstop before outgrowing the posish.
Ack
Rotoworld just trashed Dorf, saying he was a 21 year old struggling in single A, not a good sign.
Rotoworld has also said that Randy Johnson was an A
I would take anything from there with a grain of salt.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Crosby's pissed:
From a story on the A’s site.
“It’s a joke,” said Crosby, who will be a free agent at the end of the season. "I’ve been taking ground balls [at shortstop] every day in the event that something like this happened, and I’ve been swinging the bat great. It’s an absolute joke.
“I thought the idea is to put the team on the field that gives you the best chance to win, and I think I can play the position pretty well.”
Funny
If he’d done a better job before 2009 this wouldn’t even be an issue to begin with.
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I think Crosby is a joke
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
"Knock knock."
“Who’s there?”
“Not you!!!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I know BoCro has been doing better lately
but he’s .222/.298.339 this year.
He is hitting .334 in July, and SLG .500 in that time. Unfortunately, he’s drawn 0 BBs this month, and only 4 since June 1.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Crosby will have a tough time getting a call in the off-season
I think he has a right to be pissed, but he should’ve realized that this is Pennington’s time to make it or break it. He knows he has no future with this club. The problem is that people elsewhere see these quotes and figure he’s not a team player. His agent is probably calling him right now, begging him to retract his comment.
I think a National League team will take him on next season.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Gallego
Stated in a radio interview, that he helped BoCro, work through his anger he had towards the organization, and to spin it into a motivational tool to become a better utility player.
he's wrong anyway
the idea is not to put the team on the field that has the best chance to win, it’s to play meaningful games as deep into many seasons as possible. Pennington might be a part of doing that, maybe for the 2010 or 2011 A’s. Crosby won’t be a part of it for the A’s.
The chance to marginally improve next year’s team is worth more than the chance to marginally improve this year’s team.
We need O and D Bobby
Crosby gives good d., but continually under .300 OBP is not very good. You have to do better Bobby!
HAHA
Does he really not know how bad he is.. I mean Bobby, just look at your numbers since your rookie year, you suck.
pssssst......Booby....check out your bank account
The real joke is that he’s earned millions of dollars and in return he’s been a low .200’s hitter. I can’t believe he’s mouthing off about this.
by coffee roaster on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously? A joke?
Mr. Crosby, you had parts of FIVE YEARS to prove yourself. Fine, you were injured off and on for maybe half of that time. But it’s not like you were just never given a chance; the starting job was handed to you in 2004 and you were given a LOT of rope. And still, you ran out, and now you’re blaming the organization. Very classy.
Whatever. All I know is that Pennington over Crosby means I spend more time watching games this season, even if Pennington is terrible.
I dont know Oblique
Maybe Big Mac’s Tutelage alongside Holiday last off-season is finally going to pay dividends.
And swinging the bat great is great
but you also need to make contact with the ball, and furthermore, if you should make contact, it is incumbent upon you to touch first base before the other team’s first baseman does so while carrying said ball.
But..
He is, apparently, very popular on this team. And I’m sure his teammates will sympathize with him… I hope this doesn’t have a negative impact on Pennington..
Ellis for President
Crosby
Is purportedly very good friends with Ellis, and of late Holiday. Heck, even when Mulder was his roomate, he left an angry Voicemail to BoCro for buying a rolex.
but Cliff P.
is probably friends with Everidge, Patterson, and some of the starting rotation. Plenty of Rivercats to make him feel comfortable in the locker room.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Swinging the bat, maybe.
But eventually you’re going to have to try to hit a ball and not just flail.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
My crystal ball...
….tells me Crosby will not be back next year.
Well, he wouldn’t anyway. And he does have a point. But still, at $5M/year, you should probably suck it up.
The crystal Ball last spring
Crosby stated his stance is “McGwire-itized.”
Matt Holliday, who has been at every session with Crosby, said BoCro was going to have a break-out year.
Talk about a broken magic 8 Ball.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out BoCro
Tyler Ladendorf
is Black. A very Caucasian-y last name.
Had me fooled. I remember thinking Daric Barton was Black for a long while. I like when this stuff happens, it’s fun!
Chavvy wasn't Mexican enough....
Is Ladendorf not German-American enough?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd thought Andre Ethier was black at first
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I'm pretty sure he's in left field
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Omigod, I *still* thought Andre Ethier was black!
He’s not? There are white guys named Andre?
This is what happens when I only listen on radio and never watch TV.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Could've been adopted or something.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I remember somebody saying once...
… that Reggie Willits and Howie Kendrick needed to trade names and restore the order of the universe. I was amused.
bill simmons
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I was picturing a white guy too
probably because the A’s don’t have that many black players. They have only had a few black players the last 9 years but not all at the same time. Long, Singleton, Justice, Dye, Payton, Rhodes, Bradley, Thomas, Stewart, Rajai, Patterson are the only guys I can think off.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
It's interesting that Dominican players are viewed differently.
There are probably many Dominican players with roots to the continent of Africa yet they’re not typically included in the conversation.
by LowcountryJoe on Aug 1, 2009 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Well they are different . . . aren't they?
Tejada, Casilla, and the former Athletic Estaban German all have dark skin but I never thought of them as black. I don’t know much about the Dominican Republic, but I would never picture a person with the name Tejada to be black. How is the Dominican Republic linked to Africa? (honest question, not trying to argue because I know nothing about it)
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
They're linked through the slave trade that occured from the 16th through 19th centuries
by LowcountryJoe on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I have noticed
the current ownership has done a lot of this trading quality for prospects and it has done us nothing but taken a potential playoff team in 2006 and spiraled us down into a last place team and it sucks!
2006 was not a potential playoff team.
They WERE a playoff team. American League West Champions. And the team was getting older more expensive. Because they couldn’t resign everyone, they traded away instead of watching them walk at the end of the season and getting nothing for it.
Yes, it sucks being a last place team, however, if you take more time to follow the team and it’s minor league system, there is very much to be happy about.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL....
What would happen if we still had Frank Thomas, Milton Bradley, Shannon Stewart, Dan Johnson, Jason Kendall, etc? Haha.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
We would have a lot of old and aging players with decreasing value and
less than stellar baseball ability.
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
All I would like to say is
Goodbuy O-Cab we will miss you the rest of the year. You did not suck all year, (which is more than I can say for most of our team). Good luck in Minn and watch out for that Punto guy, (I have heard some scary things).
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
I predict the following pattern:
The Twins will play Cabrera for three games, and then on the fourth one they’ll Punto.
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I think Punto moves to 2B because of there own version of suck named Casilla playing 2B
and that sounds like the Raiders strategy from last season, (heck the last five seasons).
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
This Thread is ONe big Running
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by Imaseasonticketholder on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
I gotta say, I liked Cabrera's energy
I’m going to miss his antics after hits…
A good dude for sure…
Good luck in Minnesota.
Who needs homeruns?
I know I won't miss
Cabrera not running out double play balls.
I still miss Kotsay's Wife
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