Open Trade Deadline Thread
by Blicks on Jul 31, 2009 6:38 AM PDT
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PrintEDIT: OCab is gone! The Twins have acquired OCab for SS prospect Tyler Ladenorf: LINK
Rated-R Superstar summed up the OCab-Twins talk here. Pretty much, the two sides are making progress and its somewhat likely OCab is a Twin. And Ron Gardenhire likes O-Cab. I just thought putting all the trade deadline stuff in one place, since today is one of the most important non-playoff days of the season (the draft days are the other). Post updates, etc, here. Packaging OCab with Springer to get more prospects from the Twins, since they do need bullpen help, might be wise.
Re: Springer/Cardinals: It's unlikely:
Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak downplayed the possibility of acquiring relief help before today's 3 p.m. waiver deadline.
The Cardinals remain interested in set-up relief help but may find a match after today.
"I don't see anything happening in the near term," Mozeliak said.
"There is a possibility something may come along after (today), but there is also a significant chance that nothing happens."
Other thoughts:
- Getting the Twins to overpay for OCab would be nice and pleasant.
- Springer and/or one of Wuertz/Ziegler might also be traded, as many others know. Obviously, Wuertz or Ziegler should only be moved if the price is right, and by no means should both be moved, but if someone offers a top 3B/SS prospect, do it. Springer is a solid reliever and an impending FA who's likely to accept arbitration if offered, so if the A's aren't planning on forking 3MM over for a middling reliever (which they shouldn't), trying to trade Springer would be smart. But then, he does have leadership qualities and I'd rather Geren NOT get any more excuses to blow out the arms of Bailey and Wuertz (if he stays). Having Springer to soak up innings with how young and Verducci-risky the rotation is.
- Halladay hopefully is a Ranger. Now, before I get lambasted for wanting the Rangers to seriously upgrade their team and reel in arguably the best pitcher in baseball, I'm getting a kick out of the idea of breaking up the Rangers' big four and one, most likely two, of the Smoak/Perez/Feliz/Holland crew going to Toronto, namely Smoak (hell, Smoak + a bunch of Texas's non top 3 guys will be good). The Rangers probably won't extend him, as Doc has expressed desire to try the FA market and the Yanks/Red Sux/Mets/Dodgers are lurking there to pry the Doc away or at least jack up his price. I know he's a prospect and could very easily be a bust, but not having to deal with (a really cheap) Smoak in 2011 if he hits his ceiling and 5 other years will make it easier for the A's to win a few division titles in those years. Oh, and maybe some payroll issues that might lead to the Rangers not signing Purke/Scheppers, who are massively overslot draft picks. I don't dislike the Rangers and really really want them to win the West or at least take the WC away from the Yanks/Red Sox. But Smoak out of the AL West is a good thing as far as prospects go.Deal with Doc in 2010, since 2009 is kinda done in terms of playoffs for the GNG. Oh, and I'd infinitely more like the Rangers to win the West this year than those pesky slegnA and their stupid rally monkeys.
- Oh. There's also talk about Victor Martinez, Adrian Gonzalez, and a bunch of other guys. Maybe one of those two going to Boston, since Papi's showing off that he's done.
- Anything else? Trade predictions? Post away!
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Predictions:
Halladay will not be moved. Adrian Gonzales will not be moved. O-Cab will not be moved. Victor Martinez will not be moved.
All moves, if any, today will be relatively minor and won’t include the A’s.
The best shot for an A’s trade would be Springer, who is basically worthless.
No one will meet JP’s asking price for Halladay or Towers’s price for Gonzalez. The Twins do not trade their top prospects… they just don’t. So unless Beane takes a fringe prospect, this trade won’t happen. I just don’t think Victor Martinez is as good as everyone thinks. Boston would never trade a top pitching prospect for him.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
OCab trade
I don’t think anyone expects a top prospect for Cabrera. Maybe if we add in a reliever (preferably Springer, from the A’s point of view), then we could get a package of something like one low risk, low ceiling player plus one younger lottery ticket.
never mind
I guess some people do think that we can get a good prospect for OCab.
Valencia would be nice, but I’m a little concerned about how he can’t take a walk in AAA so far. I like the power, though.
Well
Should the Twins make this deal? Obviously Valencia is potentially too much and may want to reconsider if they are indeed going this route. But it seems as though every year when the deadline approaches some teams lock themselves on a player and will do whatever it takes to get them. Let’s hope this does occur for the A’s sake. Hey, who’s to say O-Cab doesn’t turn around in the off-season and re-sign with Oakland.
If JP can somehow get Smoak and Holland in the deal for Halladay...
He should be happy with a bag of new baseballs as the 3rd part of the package!
The monster at the end of this blog.
I agree, mostly because I believe bags of baseballs are the latest undervalued commodity
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Are they patient baseball who walk a lot?
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Er....baseballS
(can’t even proofread my own lame jokes…grrrr)
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
So much for my predictions!!
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
I don't get what the Mariners are doing.
they traded for Jack Wilson and then trade away starting pitching?
They think the pitcher they got back is MLB ready
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess that makes sense.
I don’t know much about prospects or minor leagues in general. Hopefully for them he is.
I totally get it.
1. Jack Zduriencik is smart.
2. Like Billy Beane, he believes you can be “buyer” and “seller”.
3. He’s focusing on the 2010 team.
I realize it’s confusing to see a smart GM in Seattle, after all those years of Bavasi and Gillick, but there it is.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
It was just a little confusing as to why they would
trade prospects for a need position and then trade away a starter. They are still very much in the playoff picture this year.
I thought the Mariners should’ve been sellers all along. They can’t catch anybody for a playoff spot. I was a little surprised they went out and grabbed Wilson and Snell despite putting Washburn’s name out there.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson and Snell are both for 2010
I don’t think Z expects to make the playoffs this year. They’ll still try, of course, but he’s not going to turn down trades over it.
He does expect to be good next year, though, so he’s looking for short-term future and willing to give up long-term future to get it.
Clement wasn’t working out in Seattle and needed a change of scenery. Washburn is a free agent at the end of the year. Cedeño was awful. The other guys are further in the future. He’s basically given up nothing that would be useful for 2010.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
plus get the general core of guys together to play alongside each other for a half season
less growing pains in 2010 when goin for it.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard from Tim Kurkjian that Washburn could sign with Seattle after this season since he liked it there and he pitched well for them there.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Mmm...juicy oranges...
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Wuertz
Did you see what he did this week? i guess he wants to stay here.
Works for me.
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Sometimes being used three games in a row will do that, too
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to gone:
Orlando Cabrera is very likely to be a member of the Minnesota Twins in the next hour or so.
An A’s source tells me that a deal is “very close.” Despite a report on ESPN in the past 20 minutes, there is no need for any OK from the commissioner’s office.
The artist formerly known as HigherPie.
hey, if we can get the 3B Prospect
awesome.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Slusser just updated the post to say
that Valencia is not part of the deal.
The artist formerly known as HigherPie.
Slusser's note was published about an hour later
than the Minnesote Star-Tribune reporter, who didn’t see the trade as being as close as Olney had said last night.
Hurray! Cheeseburgers for everyone!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I like cheeseburgers.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hicks?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions
O-Cab to Twins still "very close" and Duch scratched from tonights AAA start.
Hmm.
Parmelee pls.
Kthxbye
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Slusser just Tweeted:
Also, Justin Duchscherer’;s rehab start at Sacramento tonight has been scrapped. No reason stated, will try to find out more.
Setback? Or trade?
The artist formerly known as HigherPie.
any of the top 10?
1. Aaron Hicks, of
2. Ben Revere, of
3. Wilson Ramos, c
4. Jose Mijares, lhp
5. Danny Valencia, 3b
6. Anthony Swarzak, rhp
7. Shooter Hunt, rhp
8. Kevin Mulvey, rhp
9. Carlos Gutierrez, rhp
10. Angel Morales, of
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
We should ask for Shooter Hunt for the name alone
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LoL if we get Hicks
trying to grab the whole draft class from that year?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
done deal
12:08pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown says it’s a done deal, with the Twins sending Tyler Ladenorf to Oakland for Cabrera.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
From ESPN.com
The A’s also are sending an undisclosed amount of cash to the Twins to pay Cabrera’s salary, a source tells ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Cabrera is in the final months of making $4 million this season.
That’s fine with me.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
that actually kind of bugs me
the A’s are giving up a major leaguer for a single-A player AND are paying for said major leaguer?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I'm not to sure on this either.
The only thing I can think of is that Billy will be able to turn this ‘favor’ around in the future.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Slusser is guessing the money is around $250,000
the amount O-Cab receives for being traded.
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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
if that is it I guess I could accept it (not that my acceptance matters)
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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Tyler Ladendorf
With Low-A Beloit in the Midwest League currently. Shortstop.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502285
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Not to shabby,
2nd round pick from last year. Struggling in A ball but tore it up in rookie ball.
"Macha hates you"- Tacoma fans heckling Kielty
We can assume that he’ll be playing for Kane County, right?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Does that mean that Coleman will go to Stockton?
And what the hell is going on with Greene?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Could be an upward cascade, right?
Presumably Pennington comes to Oakland, and they have to fill upwards, more or less, throughout the org (unless they just give the SS job to Petit). Still, they need to make room, and that’s the obvious way to do it.
On Greene — does it change much? They’d obviously make room for him when he signs, and having two talented SS prospects low in the minors is a good idea.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I think Wimberly could handle AAA, no?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'd like this to be true
we’ll see if it’s reality or not
I think he'd do flips over the competition.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This would make me happy,
I will be very happy to watch Mr. Wimberly at Raley Field this weekend if he gets called up.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sickle's Note on Ladendorf a while ago....
A second round pick out of Howard JC in 2008, Twins prospect Tyler Ladendorf was a major disappointment in rookie ball, hitting just .204/.308/.293 for the GCL Twins last summer. He did steal six bases in six attempts and flash the tools to remain at shortstop, but he didn’t nearly hit as well as expected after a superstar spring campaign. So far, 2009 has been different. He’s 8-for-19 (.421) with a double and two homers in his first six games for the Elizabethton Twins, with six walks and just one strikeout. Yes, yes, small sample size. This could turn on a dime. But he’s already exceeded his home run output from last year, and is controlling the strike zone extremely well. My guess is that he’ll continue to play very well in the Appy League and move up to Beloit in August, at which time we’ll get a better read on how much progress is for real.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Yeah
Seems like he has some nice upside
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Stealth return IMO.
Nice
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Ladenhorf
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if OakA’sHoney will approve.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Rated R update your previous post - done deal
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Ladendorf
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
noted
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Some more info about Ladendorf on Scout.com....
Batting and Power. Though he will tell you that power is his weakest attribute, Ladendorf has the potential to be a 15-20 home run guy. He has a sweet stroke from the right side, and should hit for a fairly high average. He had to make the adjustment to professional pitching in 2008, though he was used to using the wooden bats, and he should be able to raise his average at least 80 clicks in 2009. He looks to be a doubles guy in the future, with the ability to knock a few out of the park.
Baserunning and Speed. Ladendorf is a tremendous athlete, who credits his athletic ability as his best attribute. He is a burner on the basepaths, after stealing a combined 37 bases in 2008. He will likely be a 20 steals guy, and is an above average baserunner for someone his age. This is definitely one of his strengths.
Defense. Ladendorf hopes to stay at shortstop, and he will if he does not get to big. He makes some very tough plays look routine at shortstop, and is quite fun to watch play the position. He also has a tremendous arm, and good range at the position. He could possibly play any position on the diamond, not including catcher, but the Twins drafted him as a shortstop, and plan to keep him there.
ETA. 2012. Ladendorf is a very interesting prospect, as he has drawn rave reviews since being drafted by the team. The team spent a high draft pick on the flashy shortstop, and have high hopes for him in the middle of the infield. He should be slated for Beloit in 2009, and possibly called up to Fort Myers. The Twins have a shortage of middle infield prospects, and Ladendorf is entering the system at the right time.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Seems like he could be a long term answer at shortstop
If Green moves off of the position
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Talented minor league SS are a good thing to have
even a good thing to have more than one of!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
He may help the A's sign Green, too.
… in case he’s asking for the stars because he thinks the A’s lack options.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The Twins didn't give him much of a chance, 262 at-bats?.
Suckers. :-)
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Is this just fantasy-
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The A's have fast become the most unwatchable team in baseball
McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there
by streetisclosedin08 on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
On paper, yes.
But in fact, they’ve been more watchable since the Holliday trade.
Every game in that Red Sox series had something worth watching in it.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
totally agree
And they aren’t losing any more games either (granted, that’s a pretty low bar). But if you have to have a losing season, the best way to finish it is with a bunch of youngsters playing like their future MLB careers depends on it.
looks like you're already half asleep. :)
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Good day for it.
Who gets any work done on trade day?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
This is April 15th for him.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Wallace in 2012
Better be 2010
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
Sickels from the BBTF panel chat
John Sickels: Ladendorf: Great tools….played badly in rookie ball last year, played great in the Appy League this year, then badly in the Midwest League. Young, very toolsy, still somewhat unrefined.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Just because he won't be ready until 2012 doesnt meant we cant compete until then
First of all, its hardly a sure thing he is the answer to our shortstop woes. Second, its always good to stockpile a farm system with talent, to continually stream the major league team talent and to provide depth. The Ladendorf move should provide us with middle infield depth.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Totally agree.
He’s definitely not the only thing in the system at SS, and this is getting value for a guy who, if he walked this offseason, the A’s would get nothing for him.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
It's approximately what we might have been able to get
if the A’s had been able to offer O-Cab arbi after the season — except he’s 2 years further along than a hypothetical draft pick would have been next June.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
A Ladendorf is a better acquisition for the A's than someone like Donald
who’d be “ready” sooner, but what he’s ready to do is approximately what Pennington can do, too.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
What don't they like about him that they gave up this early?
Pick 60 of the 2008 draft is a pretty high and recent pick.
I really really really like this deal. Between this and Wallace the front office is rockin’ IMO.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
He's far from being a Major Leaguer, and they're in a pennant race now.
He wouldn’t be up until 2012, so they still have time to replace him.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a moment to say "thanks" to O-Cab
who was never one of my favorite players in the past, but came here, played every day, warmed up to the community, stuck his neck out to break the team out of a slump, publicly admitted that he was playing terribly, and turned his own performance around while playing on a last-place team that was trying to trade him, and continued to be enthusiastic about playing and supporting his teammates.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 20 recs
Yeah
OCab seemed like a great teammate. Wish him the best in Minnesota
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
class act while here
despite rumors of being a bad teammate on the South Side.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to believe those kind of rumors when they keep popping up for different players.
Maybe it’s not the players who are the problem?
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Our team should win every game!
And when we don’t, somebody should be sacrificed to Ba’al on the pitchers’ mound!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe that's why Billy is amassing prospects....
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was parodying the typical foxsports comment,
and I was also parodying myself,
although I stand true to my belief that in an ideal world, baseball would be a cult religion, not a sports entertainment business.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I was thinking he was amassing prospects so that
we’d have people to sacrifice.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Megadittoes
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
And I'll add:
An interesting contrast with another recent traded, short-time Athletic.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
-1 to the megadittoes
What’s Al Franken’s catchphrase?
Oh yeah…
“I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!”
Now that phrase applies to O-Cab.
Best of luck to him with the Twinkies of course.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
totally agree
He seems like a good teammate and a really good guy. I hope he helps Minny go to the playoffs.
by coffee roaster on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Amen, brother.
I concur on every point. Let’s turn this comment green.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Who know Hulk Hogan was an A's fan!
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Now -- if only Cust will say:
“I suck at outfield.”
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn -- maybe it only works at SS?
Or just maybe, Jack’s suckitude is so vast that no incantation can even dent it.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If only he could 'suck' all the fly balls into his glove?
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Cust-O-Vac 5,000!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I was actually starting to like him.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Well said
It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.
by Englishmajor on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
He might be back in ’10 too.
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If nobody steps up and performs for the rest of the season
I’d be all for it.
You guys think Beane is done dealing yet?
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
If there is something tasty to be had for Wuertz or somebody similar, he'll pull the trigger.
No doubt.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Yeah I think Springer or Weurtz is gone, some way somehow
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it’s Springer.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Either way, if it's Springer, we get less.
If it’s Weurtz, we obviously hold out for the best package offered.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I actually want to hang onto Wuertz. Too bad that we couldn’t have gotten that third base prospect from the Twins in exchange for Wuertz and Cabrera. I’m just going to assume that it was offered by Beane and that the Twins declined.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I too hope it's Springer
Wuertz is needed in this pen because take out Bailey and him and it’s pretty bad. Ziggy is good against RHB.s
Breslow is trash, Casilla is garbage.
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
Breslow is not trash, he's filler. That's different.
Casilla, on the other hand, should have been on a train outta here two years ago!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
A bit harsh on Breslow but still hope he’s not around next year.
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
Not sure.
Duke was scratched from his start today. Could be a trade in the works, could be elbow or back trouble.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Whenever you assume he's done
he surprises you with something crazy.
Which teams would be interested? The Brewers? Yankees?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The Yankees are definitely looking for starting pitching help. They probably could’ve had Brian Bannister, but they wanted the Royals to eat his salary and they were giving barely nothing for him.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A surprise team for Duke
could be the Astros. They are said to be looking for some starting pitching yet they don’t want to spare much in terms of minor league talent to acquire it.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Are the Cards actually interested in Springer?
And, if so, how little would we accept for him?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Make my wildest dreams come true and let’s get, uh, Justin Upton.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
I just drooled all over my keyboard...thanks for that
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
:: Hands you a napkin. ::
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman reports the Red Sox are still talking with the Padres about acquiring slugger Adrian Gonzalez.
Clay Buccholz, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson are all involved in the deal. The Padres are also asking for Ryan Westmoreland and Lars Anderson. It’s a massive price, but the Red Sox knew what they were getting into when they first struck up discussions for the 27-year-old Gonzalez.
One wonders, though, what Boston would do with the newly acquired Adam LaRoche.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
seems like alot to pay for a position you don't really need
although they may be able to flip LaRoche…
Maybe they are of the mindset that Papi is done.....
….eat his contract, don’t rely on the hurting Lowell much, and have elite production from 1B and 3B.
A.Gonzalez is only paid three dry crackers and a soda through 2011, then they can extend him.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
The average is down, but the power has kind of been there as of late.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, his ISO is still .195. Not great from your DH, but not terrible either. For the record, Cust is at .176.
wOBA likes Cust better though
Ortiz: .320 wOBA
Cust: .338 wOBA
ISO isn’t park adjusted.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
I like how they misspelled Clay’s name.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
probably the only day of the year I'll be checking twitter.....
mlbtraderumorsRT @BNightengale The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians #mlbtrades
There's no crying in baseball!
that seems more wiser than throwing the farm at SD for Gonzalez
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
haha wow, no, I didn't say "more wiser" on purpose...
hotel party last night: not conducive to morning clarity.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Just went over to the read the comments on Slusser's post on the OCab deal...
Folks over there seem to hate the trade.
This seems more a difference in attitude toward the franchise than anything else. Do Slusser’s comment threads tend to be so negative? I’ve never read them before. And I thought AN could get harsh about the current edition of the A’s and Beane’s recent performance!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
they don't have instant access to all the positive spin on the guy that we did
since we have so many awesome members of AN scouring the interwebs for info as soon as the name is released.
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by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
and really, we are scouring the interwebs BEFORE the name is even released....
AN is that good…
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot of those people don't follow as close as we do.
Or they travel in negatively reinforcing groups. They see a crappy team and are unable to look beyond it for hope. It’s truly the ‘WAGD’ mentality.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
As a general rule, comment threads ANYWHERE
are negative, stupid, and childish. If you find a place where they aren’t (eg, here), that’s the exception.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Yeah, I sometimes read Foxsports' comments on stories just to get a laugh,
and to realize how even-keeled and reasonable a person I am, despite what select members of the opposite sex have to say.
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by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
foxsports commenters are some of the worst
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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Actually someone posted that positive insider spin...
And the negativity continued.
As I said, it seems more like a general attitude difference than anything else, but I’ve never hung out there before, so I’m working on little evidence.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
Reply Fail
That was supposed to be a reply to dtownmbrown’s reply to my comment re: Slusser’s board.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, I have noticed more negativity there than here, probably more of the casual fan, I assume.
But you definitely have a point.
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by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
This is just a follow-up on the post from someone else earlier.
According to Bob Nightengale, “the Red Sox are about to acquire” catcher and first baseman Victor Martinez from the Indians.
The report has been confirmed by Ed Price. Martinez is owed about $2 million for the rest of this season and carries a $7 million club option for 2010. He’s batting .284 with 15 home runs and 67 RBI in 377 at-bats for Cleveland.
Martinez has logged 52 games behind the plate and another 47 at first base.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
Let's see what they give up.
This could be fun.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
I’m going to guess that it’s Lars Anderson, Clay Buchholz and one of the other three or four guys the Padres wanted.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Buchholz and Bard are not in the deal.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Should be a lot
Also, V-Mart gets 500 K extra in ’09 and ’10 if he gets traded.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Hah, money’s the last thing the Sox care about. Hell, even the A’s would probably chip in 500K in a trade like that if it means getting/retaining a better prospect.
Wait, they just did with OCab.
Yeah, even smaller teams will kick in a lot more than 500K to get max value
see: Kotsay/Devine, Blake/Santana/Meloan
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Let’s not forget about the relatively meaningless trades, guys.
The Brewers have reacquired reliever Claudio Vargas from the Dodgers.
Milwaukee sent minor league catcher Vinny Rottino to Los Angeles to complete the trade.
Vargas won 11 games for the Brewers in 2007, but was released before the start of the 2008 season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions
what do thet do with V-Mart?
1b Youkilis/LaRoche
3b Lowell/Youkilis
C Varitek
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions
I would imagine that they’re moving LaRoche.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's going to look pretty hilarious if they get to the WS and have to try to get Ortiz in there somewhere.
Maybe they’ll be the first team ever to field an infield of entirely first basemen.
You mean Finley didn't try this in the 60s or 70s?
Sounds like something he would do.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney on ESPN is saying that adding Martinez would give them great flexibility.
In the same way that 6 people (Youkilis, LaRoche, Lowell, Ortiz, Varitek, Martinez) of starter ability to play 1B/3B/C gives you great flexibility. If they get to the WS, there are going to be some really unhappy starters.
When the Yankees called the Mariners about pitcher Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either outfielder Austin Jackson or catcher Miguel Montero.
Jackson and Montero are considered New York’s two best position-player prospects.
The Yankees made a counteroffer consisting of lesser prospects, and the Mariners moved on and dealt Washburn to the Tigers on Friday morning.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
Miguel Montero's on the D-bax
i think you mean Jose Montero
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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I just cut and paste it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Jesus
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
yeah, my bad also.
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
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by harendaman365 on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
from MLBTR:
Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for (Heath) Bell.
I say: battle away!
witty remark
Wow, they’re really working on that bullpen.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
They're hoping to have a 25 man roster of relievers............
Colletti = not the brightest.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Speaking of the Dodgers, Clayton Kershaw is 5-0 with a 0.88 ERA in his last nine starts. I’m too lazy to figure out the WHIP and BAA, though.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
pfffft.
Lester had a 1.83 ERA in his last 10 starts, and the A’s lit him up.
The Mariners have turned down offers from a half-dozen teams for pitcher Felix Hernandez.
“I had calls,” Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik told ESPN’s Peter Gammons. “And I listen to everyone. But it would have taken too much to even discuss a realistic trade.”
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
they would be stupid to trade him for anything.
Unless it’s a handful (and I do mean 5+) of ml ready high ceiling prospects.
Yeah, we got a king's ransom for him.
And he’s gotten even better since then, and is signed to a pretty affordable 3+ year deal. They’d have to get an unbelievable haul.
Would those prospects be Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Ryan Westmoreland, Justin Masterson and Jed Lowrie?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really follow the minor leage stuff.
Just really starting to even look at our minor league players.
The Diamondbacks aren’t willing to trade Dan Haren, but pitchers Doug Davis and Jon Garland are very much on the market.
A major league source said that Arizona has received minimal interest in Davis and Garland, and described talks as “remarkably quiet.”
Both pitchers could be options for teams in August as they figure to clear waivers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
Apparently Buchholz and Bard are not in the V-Mart deal
According to FOX. I guess this means the package looks something like Bowden/Anderson/Masterson
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
I'd think they'd want Kalish, Reddick, or Hagadone over Anderson.
Anderson is redundant when your Indians system has guys like Matt LaPorta, Carlos Santana, along with Choo, Sizemore, etc at the MLB level in it, ya thinks.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Yeah, good point
Maybe even Westmoreland
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
So far, its Hagadone and Masterson in the deal, per Jonathan Mayo.
Not bad, so far.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Also, one of the things I was worried about if OCab left was Gio.
He’s been really instrumental at helping Gio relax, according to Slusser, and I don’t think that’s something to be underestimated. Gio’s looked a lot better in the last two starts. I really hope that we don’t see regression there.
I hope not....
With Cabrera gone, the A’s are expected to give the starting shortstop job back to Bobby Crosby, who was turned into a utility infielder in the wake of the Cabrera signing. Crosby, too, can be a free agent at the end of the season
Shit.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
link?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It makes so much more sense to give Pennington a look
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
agreed
And they really need Crosby (can’t believe I just typed that) to fill in for days off and such in the infield. Nomar and Giambi are done in the field and they just need to plug someone at SS for the rest of the season.
by coffee roaster on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh Thank God
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Never seen anybody so happy..
That a guy hitting .246 in AAA with no power and a shit load of errors is going to be our new starting SS!
but is the AAA better than Crosby?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
that doesn't matter at this point.
Crosby won’t be on the team next year, we need to figure out if we have any internal options to man the position for the next couple years.
Give him a shot and see if he sticks.
my prediction: he doesn't
bold, I know
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by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
I meant the AAA player.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I'm going to take the optimistic route and say SuSlu
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Slussers says it came from beane, I believe her.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Urban is busy
saying “ZOMG the Giants are soooo cooool” to even worry about the A’s.
I think Slusser > Urban 10 out of 10 times.
by son of wes on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just about to post that, good call pam.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We’ll be seeing a lot of that from Crosby, no?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I meant to reply to the BroCro is our SS for the season.
So fail on my part.
he's not terrible on D
but he is at the plate.
Point.
It is hard to flail on D. Outside slider though? No problem.
And he is consistent.
That counts for something.
Actually...
No. That’s against the rules. Sorry.
by WhiteElephants on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Angels beat writer Kevin Baxter was talking on an ESPN network and he said that the team needs to add a starting pitcher and a bullpen arm.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
Things have “cooled off” according to Rangers beat writer Jeff Wilson as far as the Roy Halladay trade talks go between the Rangers and Blue Jays. Wilson is talking about the Rangers’ possibility of acquiring somebody.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions
Goddamnit I want Smoak out of division.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
You cannot destroy Crosby
+ 
= 
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So we're pretty much there, and no info on Duke, Wuertz or Springer
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
SuSlu says they aren't saying until later this afternoon, but she doesn't think it's a trade.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just found that
The Justin Duchscherer scratch is a mystery. I’ve tried numerous sources – team, agents, etc. – and Beane said on the just-completed conference call that he can’t say anything until later today. I don’t think Duchscherer is being traded, because Beane said there’s nothing imminent and the team is probably done as far as pre-deadline deals. I hope it’s something minor, but the silence on the matter is troubling.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/index?#ixzz0Mrh7gtMR
no relievers traded?
Beane said there’s nothing imminent and the team is probably done as far as pre-deadline deals
I think that is a good idea. I would not want to see Casilla get an increased workload.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Though I'd love to see Casilla traded!
Anyone? Bueller?
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I just got this email from the River Cats
Justin Duchscherer’s tentatively scheduled Major League Rehabilitation assignment with the River Cats today has been cancelled for non-baseball related reasons. No official timetable has yet been set for rescheduled.
hopefully it isn't a family problem either.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
But that would certainly fit the
“can’t say anything until later today” comment.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
He was just traded along with Travis Buck and Scott Hairston to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Justin Upton.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d need to throw in about five other prospects (including Brett Anderson) to make it happen as well.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn’t resist.
I’m sorry.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, and we’ll give them their choice between Springer and Casilla.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And Geren, too?
Their manager has no ML managing experience. Ours is a veteran!
If we must, we must.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Only because they insisted.
I’m sure it was a tough call.
For that matter, can we keep Anderson if we throw in the San Jose Earthquakes? No one likes communist kickball anyways.
I don’t know how much value that crappy team has, but in a blockbuster for Justin Upton, it just may work. Besides, the state of Arizona does not have a professional soccer franchise.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
traded to would be a baseball related reason.
it’s either he’s hurt or sick or a family issue.
"Non-baseball related reasons"
He dove head-first into Daric Barton’s friends swimming pool.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Someone should put together a lavishly illustrated coffeetable book...
….devoted to bizarre A’s injuries over the years.
I’d buy one!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd buy one too, but
I’d have to take it back, because the pop-up cutout centerfold would be broken.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess
They’re calling Duke up to play SS for the A’s for the rest of the season.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I thought putting Suzuki there was the way to go so that Powell can get some at-bats.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Simple resolution: Play Powell in CF
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by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, at least he wouldn't run into Sweeney.
Of course, every single becomes 3B.
That's really funny.
And it’s actually not 100% ridiculous.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I bet Suzuki could play SS in a pinch...
He kinda reminds me of Craig Biggio…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's not get carried away.
It’s still 75% ridiculous.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
In a weird way, I don’t think I was joking.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
According to MLB Network, there’s a rumor about Adrian Gonzalez going to the Dodgers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
The only name I heard from the host was James Loney. The host is saying that Gonzalez and Bell could be acquired together in a blockbuster or the Dodgers would just get one of them.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither here nor there, but I'm watching SportsCenter.
And the A’s appeared three times in the “Not Top 10” i.e. the worst plays of the week.
#9: Davis + Sweeney fighting each other for a FB, #7: Ellis losing his bat twice, and #2: Patterson forgetting to retouch second. Sigh.
Cust's bad route didn't make it on there?
Why does he still play outfield at all?
Mercy Rule.
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by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And the glaring omission of "Mr. Cust's Wacky RF Ride"?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that’s pretty rough.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that the Benny Hill tune?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
First time fail, appropriately.
This. When I played this and watched the replay of Kust missing that “double” yesterday, I couldn’t help but laugh. And cry.
I can't play a YouTube here.
Still wondering on the original question. Anyone?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Here is a follow-up on the Adrian Gonzalez rumor.
The Dodgers are reportedly making a late run at Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez and reliever Heath Bell.
Major league sources claim that the Dodgers could acquire the players in separate deals or a multi-player blockbuster.
It is believed that Los Angeles would include first baseman James Loney in a deal with San Diego if Gonzalez is involved.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
Alright, I'm clearly missing something.
But what’s the big deal with trading in-division, if that’s where you’re going to get the best haul?
Because you're also making your main rivals better.
You play them more than any other teams, so you’d have a tougher time. It’s kind of a wash too.
I understand trading within the division if you’re giving them a short-term solution in your own down season and getting some long-term answers for yourself, however.
If you trade outside of your division, however, you get better and your main rivals don’t.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you're confident enough you're selling a lemon, why would it matter?
I mean, to take an (unreasonable and impossible) example that would never happen, I would love to trade BroCro to the Angels for a bag of baseballs.
But seriously, if you think you’re fleecing them, it just doesn’t make sense to me why it would matter.
even if you think you're fleecing them
you could be giving your rival the next Carlos Pena/Nelson Cruz.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I think those are poor examples, given that they didn't succeed with the team that we handed them off to.
But I see your point. It just seems like one of those things like guarding the lines in a late-and-close situation as opposed to playing straight up; it’s kind of a wash. It doesn’t make sense to me that it’s that taboo.
they were the first to come to mind
I should have used “a late bloomer” or something like that.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
You don't go into every trade trying to 'pull one over' on the other guy.
That will whittle away your trading partners very quick.
The idea is to make both your clubs better, i.e. dealing away surplus and filling weaknesses.
Add this to what I said above, and that’s why you usually don’t like to trade within your division.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If you happen to be wrong and the guy you sent blows up
or the guy you got gets injured, you have to hear it from both sets of fans for a long, long time. Every win the guy you traded away helps get, and very loss the guy you got didn’t matter, hurts you double. It’s one thing to think your getting the better end of a trade. Its another if your wrong and have to look up because of it.
You don’t want daily reminders of past trades not working out.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
You almost never think you're selling a lemon.
The idea behind almost any trade is that both teams benefit, so it’s a net gain for those two teams against the other 28.
Doing that with a distant team is better than doing that with a division rival. If you have two offers that are roughly equal, that gives an edge to the non-division candidate.
But if one deal is better, you still take the best deal; and if the division deal is the only one available, it’s still better than no deal at all.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
On ESPNews, they’re reporting that the Victor Martinez trade is “very close” to getting done.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
It's done. Just Hagadone and Masterson
Do not like it for the Indians. I hate Shapiro right now. DO NOT HELP THE RED SUX GET BETTER.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
They couldn’t even get a third guy? Jed Lowrie?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Price is the 3rd guy going to the Tribe. Just announced. Sorry.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
can we trade them Cust?
The fact that the Tigers didn’t have to give up a lot for Jarrod Washburn, and didn’t have to give up highly-rated prospects, means they’re still talking with teams about beefing up their offense before today’s nonwaiver trade deadline. Foxsports.com reported the Tigers have continued to talk with the Orioles about Luke Scott. They’re also believed to be checking around with other clubs to see if asking prices go down on other outfield/DH types before the deadline.
— Jason Beck
http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/tigers_could_still_add_hitter.html
I was thinking earlier in the week that Jack Cust would be a good fit for the Tigers. Other than him, their best option is using Michael Thames at designated hitter. Cust, hitting from the different side of the plate, would at least provide an alternate.
Maybe if we toss in Springer, we can get something decent in return.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Poreda's name popped up in previous trade rumors between the Tigers and A's
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Tigers???? or White Sox?
Poreda is a White Sox pitcher.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Oh that's right! I misremembered
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by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
SluSlu Tweet
A’s put out a release saying duchscherer scratched for a “non-baseball related” issue. This usually means: sick or a personal/family issue.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Didn't Duke hate relief pitching because of a nervous stomach condition?
Therefore, that couldn’t be that far off.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He Rich Hardened his arm (shutting off alarm clock)
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Beane has redefined the meaning of "non-baseball related issue"
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by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I would not be surprised.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread is fun
but I need to go work now, $amn.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
call in sick?
or do what I am doing…I am at work now.
Call in sick and use the excuse "non-baseball related issue"
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
But the issue IS baseball-related.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
me too
but I’m not getting any work done. I need to go clean an air conditioner grill, clogged with dust and causing a leak.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
+1
I already expected to get no work done before 1:00.
In fact I literally told my boss today, “It’s trade deadline day. I’m not going to get any work done today.”
And then we talked about Mariners trades. He’s goofing off today, too. He wouldn’t even be here except he has to stick around for a meeting late this afternon.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
According to the ESPN ticker, the Yankees just acquired Jerry Hairston from the Reds.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
The Braves have reportedly acquired first baseman Adam LaRoche from the Red Sox.
Boston is in the process of trading for Cleveland’s Victor Martinez, which makes LaRoche, who the Red Sox acquired just last week, expendable.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Braves just got LaRoche from the Red Sux.
if Kotchman is going to the Suxxxx, that’s a bad deal for ATL.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Um. Wow.
Crucify me, I know you “can’t do this,” but Atlanta just spun three months of Mark Texeria for LaRoche?
Yeah you can
Kotchman for LaRoche is fucking stupid no matter how you slice it.
Grr. I hate Schuerholz (he made Teixeira trade #1)
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
No mention of Matt
Another report I read says Boston likes Kotchman and he will come off the bench for them
I meant LaPorta as 1B for Cleveland, making Kotch redundant?
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but Schuerholz made the deal that brought Teixeira to Atlanta to begin with
and gave the Rnagers all those prospects
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
The Yankees have obtained Jerry Hairston from the Reds, according to a report.
Hairston is a right-handed batter who plays all over and is hitting .254 this year with eight homers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
I saw that
but I wonder why they didnt just do the move with O-Cab and Wuertz in the same package.. It seems like a waste of time to deal with the same team twice in the same day..
Unless the only sticking point was who the A's want for Wuertz.
If they both felt that the OCab/Ladendorf part was fair, get that deal in before the other side changes their mind.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Marlins have ended their pursuit of Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson.
Florida has also stopped calling San Diego about closer Heath Bell and is unlikely to make any deals prior to the deadline, according to major league sources.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
You’re welcome.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that rumor about a week ago and it still doesn’t make sense to me.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
Walt Jocketty, have you learned your lesson about giving up good prospects for injury prone veteran players, even if they’re good when healthy?
From your pre-Reds tenure. You should remember that, since everyone keeps bringing it up, tsk tsk Walt.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Jon Heyman is reporting that the Reds have acquired third baseman Scott Rolen from the Blue Jays.
More details are forthcoming.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
The minor leaguer could be Alonso
This deserves a infinity facepalm, although now those Alonso rumors are being denied by some sources. Depends on who you believe.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
and itd be PTBNL if it were Yonder.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Player to be named way out over there.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
It's for EE and a minor leaguer
And this wins another facepalm.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
The graphic on the screen is showing that Casey Kotchman has been traded to the Red Sox.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
Am I remembering wrong, or
is this more trade-deadline activity than we’ve seen in the last couple years?
Seems like it was even busier than usual this time.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Yeah, really good buyer's market this year.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it does.
Maybe the down economy means more GMs are getting orders from up top to clear payroll?
I wsa thinking that too.
and some big names moving this time too.
Someone had mentioned this earlier.
The Rockies have acquired left-handed relief pitcher Joe Beimel from the Nationals for two minor leagues, sources told Jon Heyman.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, it’s great stuff.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
C'mon A's...sell high on Wuertz...
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Sell low on Casilla?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
His meteoric rise in the minors. I got nothing else
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It was right before he got injured back in... 07?
He never really was the same after that.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Jonathan Mayo, Austin Jackson may be on his way to Cincinnati to complete the Yankees’ trade for Jerry Hairston.
We sure hope Mayo is wrong.
Jackson, 22, is among the top prospects in the game, batting .307/.371/.424 with four home runs, 39 RBI and 17 stolen bases this season for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Uh, wow!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
I love it when the Yankees fail.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hold the Mayo, that couldn't be true!
Couldn’t resist
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by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
YES YES YES YES YES YES PLEASE PLEASE
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
To give a sense of how bad this deal is (if true)
Jerry Hairston has put up a WAR of about .6 so far this season. By comparison, Rajai Davis has put up a WAR of about 1.1
The Yankees would be trading Austin Jackson for roughly half of Rajai Davis.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 31, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But would half of Rajai Davis have bumped into Ryan Sweeney?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
We couldn't talk the Yankees into trading for Sweeney or Buck?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a learning disability...
Can I get extra?
IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
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by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish that movie had been better. Kirk Douglas disappointed me.
Oh, this isn’t about movies?
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
It's about Europe
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Europe sucks!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Gob's theme song
But having it as Gob’s music for his magic routine was genius.
Any idea how long someone is on waivers?
Does it take 24 hours for someone to clear? 48?
The Marlins have acquired first baseman Nick Johnson from the Nationals for Double-A left-handed pitcher Aaron Thompson, according to a major league source.
The Nationals will pay the approximately $1.8 million remaining on Johnson’s salary.
Johnson is a free agent at the end of the season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
Hey RRS
are you gonna make a trade deadline madness recap post?
I wasn’t planning on doing it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
slegnA has completed huge deal, per Twitter
uh-oh..
http://twitter.com/BNightengale
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
My first thought was Roy Halladay.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Micheal Wuertz huge?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Everidge huge?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It just says they're "talking" about a huge deal, who knows if anything is completed...
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 31, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Reds get minor leauge C Chase Weems for Hairston
Not Austin Jackson.
Dammit. I wanted the Yanks to fuck up badly.
But the name is funny.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
It would be even better if his name were C. Chase Weems
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It's Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart and Encarnation for Rolen.
The Reds are sending Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart to Toronto for Scott Rolen.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
encarnacion
has been under a lot of scrutiny lately from the Reds announcers and in the call in shows. I listen to a lot of their games in Ohio and he generally can’t hit a breaking ball. Maybe he’ll eventually make an adjustment.
Peavy to White Sox.
I swear I am not bullshitting you.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/peavy-dealt-to-white-sox-again.html
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
www.27ClubPeak.blogspot.com
That's better than what the Sox were offering earlier
Richard/Poreda/Broadway/4th pitcher.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
lol @ Kenny Williams. Seriously. This is stupid.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Well at least today
We found who the awful GM’s are.
Kenny Williams, Walt Jocketty, Frank Wren.
The good ones? Jack Z. , Neal Huntington, and Mark Shapiro looks like he did a decent job.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again." - Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
Looking at the whole last month or so, Mark Shapiro didn't do a decent job IMO
He could very easily have gotten more for Lee and VMart, especially Lee. Reeks of desperation. Easily. Although I like the DeRosa trades.
And Mozeliak kinda looked err…interesting. Jury’s way out on him. You just traded most of your best prospects in 2 deals to improve the offense. Nice set of win now moves. Your manager, despite the fact that he’s a really good manager, really isn’t putting the best lineup on the field primarily. Your best players need to be starting in a pennant race.
Kenny Williams wins the Double Facepalm. The worst use of 6 pitching prospects I can imagine over the last two years/4 major trades. Especially since 3 were top 50-75 (maybe even better) prospects when traded, and the 4th was a league average BOR starter. I’m sorry, but that’s the 4th straight major bad trade ( both Swisher trades, and then Vazquez, although jury is somewhat out on Swisher #1 for the A’s, Swisher #2 makes both Swisher trades absolute epic fails on KW’s part).
Oh. Sabean is just a fucking moron. Period.
Neal Huntington looks really good.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
What a stupid and lazy assessment
But these types of things written about KW are really quite funny, considering his results. Oh and your opinion is wrong. The White Sox are not the A’s. They don’t have to operate their franchise like a bottom feeder in terms of revenue. Give me a break.
"Oh well back to work"
KW has been over-rated for years, him and his yapping dog of a manager wouldnt know how to build a good baseball team if it fell on their heads, which luckily for them, it did in 2005 when every single pitcher they had managed to pull off a career year. Of course they say the Posednik was the whole reason why they won, smh. They arent going to win again unless they have 12 pitchers simultaneously have career years again.
Who is they?
Again what kind of silly analysis is that. And over rated by whom? You retards have been saying the same stuff for years somehow tossing out the White Sox’s results and the position they are in for the next 3 years. Care to wager who reaches the promise land again first? I respect the hell out of Billy Beane. Its his wanna bees without an ounce of objectivity or sense that irritate the hell out of folks.
"Oh well back to work"
They = Ozzie and KW, who are also both complete clowns and terrible at their jobs.
White Sox arent going anywhere while they are running the show. Oakland will win a WS before the White Sox, easily. With the Peavy trade they now have one of the worst farm systems going, and the offense is looking pretty putrid going forward. The Tigers have that division locked down going forward.
Lol
I don’t know why I thought the quality would be better around here. I am going to take it you don’t represent the norm (i hope not)
1) The have already gone somewhere while they ran the show, including a division title last year
2) The Peavy trade took 1 upper tier prospect and back end rotation guy for a 4-5 WAR pitcher for the next 3-4 years
3) Quentin and Beckham have no future (lol again)
4) Buehrle, Peavy Floyd and Danks hmmm.
5) Actually the White Sox farm system is in the best shape its ever been in
6) Unfortunately not a lot of folks (including the lastest BP projections agree with you about the Tigers)
"Oh well back to work"
I may be delusional but I notice you couldn't dispute one thing I said.
Either way I’m finished arguing with you. More than happy to talk to someone who is not clueless.
"Oh well back to work"
So to sum up we traded:
Matt Holliday, Jack Hannahan, Orlando Cabrera, Sean Gallagher, Ryan Webb & Craig Italiano
For:
Scott Hairston, Justin Souza, Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, Clayton Mortensen & Tyler Ladendorf.
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