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Rickey Deserving of Two Retired Numbers

The Rickey Celebration continues this weekend with a couple of giveaways, and a uniform retirement ceremony.

But if the A's want to go out of their way for Rickey, and give him the special treatment he so richly deserves, how about something really unique?

Like say, retiring two numbers?

After all it was Bill James who uttered the famous line, "If you split Rickey Henderson in two, you get two Hall-of-Famers."

So why not retire both numbers he made famous?

Rickey wore Number 35 in his first stint with Oakland, from 1979-84, where he became the first player to steal 100 or more bases in three different seasons (1980, 1982-83), and shattered the single-season mark with 130 thefts in 1982.  Were it not for the players' strike in 1981, he may have gone over the century mark four years in a row (he had 56 in 109 games).

Rickey 1980

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So the Hall-of-Fame career was already set in motion those first six seasons in Oakland, long before switching to the soon-to-be-retired 24.

Let's look at what Rickey did when wearing 35, as compared to the number that will join #27 (Hunter), #34 (Fingers), #9 (Jackson), and #43 (Eckersley) as the only ones to be retired in honor of former Oakland A's players.

#35: 791 games, .291 AVG, .400 OBP, 586 runs, 520 walks, 493 stolen bases 

#24: 913 games, .285 AVG, .416 OBP, 684 runs, 707 walks, 374 stolen bases

Below is a rundown of all the Major League uniforms- and numbers- worn by Rickey in his quarter-century on the diamond, with some fun facts tossed about for good measure. Of all the teams he played for, Rickey seemed to like his hometown colors the best:

ESPN: This is the eighth team you've played for. Which is the best-looking uniform you've worn?

Henderson: Oh, man. I'll have to go with the old green-and-gold with Oakland. I liked the style. I think, back in the day, Charlie Finley was more with the color and style. He was more creative. That's why he wanted the orange baseballs

Rickey actually broke in with the A's wearing Number 39, or at least that appears to be the case.  There are no records to confirm this; at least nothing I could find.  His first big-league hit came off John Henry Johnson, who had been traded by the A's to Texas just nine days before. 

The previous season Johnson was shipped across the Bay to Oakland with six other players; in return, the Giants received Vida Blue, who also wore multiple numbers with the A's, but had his best season- in 1971- wearing Number 35.

When Rickey stole his last three bases of that incredible '82 season, the opposing pitcher for the Kansas City Royals that day was...Vida Blue.

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of Rickey's record-setting campaign was that he stole only eight bases after August 27, the night he surpassed Lou Brock.

Rickey Card - signed


Rickey was traded to New York for five players following the '84 season.  One of the players- Eric Plunk- was part of the package lured to bring Rickey back five years later.  When he arrived in the Big Apple, Number 35 was already taken by Phil Niekro. Rickey chose 24; the first time he'd wear the number immortalized by Willie Mays. 

When he returned to Oakland in 1989, Ron Hassey was wearing 24, and Bob Welch was wearing 35.  Rickey played a few games wearing 22, then Hassey switched to 27.

07- Rickey ALCS


He wore 14 for the 1993 Blue Jays before convincing Turner Ward to turn over his 24 to him.

He stayed with 24 from that year to the beginning of the 2000 season, even as he bounced around: Oakland (1994-95), San Diego (‘96-97), Anaheim ('97), Oakland ('98), and New York Mets ('99-00).  The "24" he wore for the Mets raised a few eyebrows, being that the number was unofficially retired by the team to honor Willie Mays.

Strangely, when he arrived in Seattle on ... he chose not to wear 24 even though it was available, with former user Ken Griffey Jr. having left the Mariners after the '99 season.  Maybe Rickey didn't feel right taking it, so he went back to 35.

After donning 24 once more for the 2001 Padres, Rickey returned to 35 with the Boston Red Sox in '02.  Some guy named Manny was wearing 24, and Rickey wasn't going to make waves:

I'm not going to pay for 24. I think I could have had 24, but I understand the man who's got it respected me and would have given it up, but I think he deserves it as much as me. So it doesn't bother me. I think I'm going to go with 35, my old number with Oakland. We'll see what happens.

Both 24 and 35 were available when he signed with the Dodgers for the 2003 season, but in true random Rickey style, the Hall-of-Famer-to-be went with Number 25, the last he's ever worn in the Majors.

Rickey 25

Next week: my trip to Cooperstown 

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That’s good stuff as always, Marquez.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Rickey is #35, and Reggie is #9.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Heck Rickey was so great

he can retire any number he likes as far as I’m concerned. Besides it’s probably going to be awhile before the A’s retire anyone else’s number at least until Bobby Crosby gets his immortal number 7 put away forever.

by sirbed on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

#24

I bet the same 4 numbers every time I play roulette: 24, 25, 33, and 34 and if I need two more 42 and 43.

The point? Rickey = 24.

by Slappyfrog on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I've played roulette once in my life

I was feeling Carney so I put it on #4 and nailed it.

by gojohn10 on Jul 30, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's why I stick with the numbers

was at Cache Creek and hit on 24 and 34 on two spins, paid for my whole trip up there! On the 34, I even let out the obligatory STEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Needless to say no one else knew what the hell I was doing. LOL

by Slappyfrog on Jul 30, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think of 24 as Rickey,

but I’m with you—give him two numbers. Put Bill James’ quote below it.

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Rickey can have both numbers, although I also think of 24 as Rickey

Retire them both. Rickey owns all.

Nicely written 67M. Definitely cool as someone who was really young/not alive during most of Rickey’s heyday to connect.

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by Blicks on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of the celebratory giveaways this weekend...

LongTimeFan gave me her ticket so I could get a jersey for her while she’s out of town. I remember the line for the Eck jersey a few years ago was insane (I wasn’t trying to get one, but obviously couldn’t help noticing that the line had wrapped back & forth four times before stretching all the way across the parking lot to the driveway by the time I arrived at 11:00 for a 1:00 game).

I would feel absolutely horrible if LTF didn’t get a jersey because of ME misjudging what time to get to the park… Can anyone hazard a guess as to what time would be somewhat earlier than “safe”?

Prithee, be not perturbed by yon third bagger.

by Poppy on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Judging by various comments around these parts,

sounds like a crapshoot as to what time is safe, or above safe, Poppy.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know in the thread a few days ago

a few folks thought 2:30 was “safe”.

I actually am making the trip up with daddy Aces and first born young Ace. I was wondering if in anyone’s experience one gate is less crowded than another? We are coming in from BART, but I dont mind walking around the stadium if another gate can give me a better shot at a fatty McTatty sized Rickey…

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

When I read Marquez I start to wonder, why does AN even have other writers.

by fansince1980 on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

don't tell him that.

he’s insufferable before bed as it is.

Now he’ll just stay up all night, bragging.

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually just finished kissing myself in the mirror.

All part of the routine, you know.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 30, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

{sigh}

I know. I know.

Every night….Jesus, just turn off the light and come to bed, will oyu?!

GAD! Your feet are like ice! And when, O Lord!, when are you gonna cut your toenails?!

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simply because I care about my feet does not make me the bad guy here!

{runs into bathroom, crying, locks door behind}

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 30, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

{Knocks}

Pumpkin, it’s not you. It’s the job, and the frickin’ Sox, and…I’m an idiot. Forgive?

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

we really need to write screenplay, you know.

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Probably need to wait for Steph. Or she might gut us.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

9 comments.. out of 21..

You two really need to go to marital counseling or something.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tell me about it.

A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

No we don't.

Everything is your fault.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Retiring both numbers would also preserve the symmetry of the tarps on Mt. Davis.

But I still think the A’s should bend their criteria and retire Stew’s 34. He’s an Oakland native and, well …awesome.

by elhefe on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

agree on Stew.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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