TWO days TO deadline: oc, wuertz, and springer TOO!
by 0akFoSho on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
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PrintSo here is the current rundown...........
1. The Cards are still after a reliever, and continue to talk with the A's regarding Springer.
2. The Twinkies, Braves, and Angels continue to talk to the A's about Wuertz
3. The Twinkies, and BoSox (and Braves if you believe the Escobar rumors) continue to talk to the A's regarding Cabrera.
4. The Yankees and Brewers attended Dukes 1st rehab start and are reportedly mulling options.
5. And then there is the traditional "Billy Deal" that nobody knows about until it happens, and tends to rip the hearts out of segments of the fan base........(keep your fingers crossed folks!)
If you are up to speed on the daily if not hourly A's rumors that are swirling right now then you've likely heard Billy is driving a hard line in a very bare and desperate market. The Jays have done that with Halliday, and it may have just backfired on them. Had they traded him to the Phils they could have gotten a better deal than the Indians got for Lee. And now, if they cant get rid of him, his value is cut in half the second after the deadline.
Don't get me wrong, Im not comparing the Jays and A's as they are in totally different situations with totally different pieces to deal, but if Billy drives too hard a bargain to keep pieces that aren't key to the future, they could end up in the same boat all washed up and nothing to show for it.
That being said, Billy just got more leverage today with the trade of Jack Wilson from the Pirates to the Ms. The Twins and others were looking at Wilson as an alternative to Cabrera. Cabrera has greater short term value do to his bat, but Wilson has a contractual option for next season and he is also a former all star. Nevertheless, the Twinkies and others have less options in a bare market today than yesterday, and thats good for Billy.
***UPDATE***
The G men have acquired Freddy Sanchez from the Pirates. He is a 2nd basemen, and that would not seem to impact the market for Cabrera, but it does. If Cabrera can play short, he sure can play 2B
Till Manana (tilde above the first n)
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Seriously
use your words, not numbers. Your headlines are confusing.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It makes me feel like someone is trying to text me
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I don't mind stuff like that in text messages or facebook comments
but for FanPost Headlines it doesn’t seem right. You have a whole keyboard (unless your posting from some phones), use it. I guess if no-one else cares it’s fine but I vote not to do it.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Even my phone has a whole keyboard.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
mine too
but some flip phones don’t.
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When I agree with FF
we must be right.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Im there too... If Nico agrees, I believe the universe might cease to exist.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you... I came up with it myself... I just wish I didn't need to.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
UNIVERSE CEASES TO EXIST:
Pundits unable to explain why you can read this.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I thought someone else was going on the disabled list
Rickey Henderson's strike zone is "smaller than Hitler's heart." - Jim Murray
i would keep
both cabrera and kennedy unless we get back a good ss for cabrera and kennedy no matter what hes been phenomenal this year
Why on Earth would you keep Cabrera?
We cannot offer him arbitration according to his contract. Since we aren’t in contention and this aging shortstop doesn’t figure to be in our future plans, you trade him to a contender that’s weak at SS and get what you can for him.
Kennedy probably isn’t in our future plans either, but he should come fairly cheap and as a backup infielder, he isn’t bad. His trade value isn’t as high as Cabrera’s, so if you don’t see an offer you like, signing him to a one year extension is a very low risk move with some benefits.
I've kind have come around on this issue
If keeping Cabrera means he’s a lot more likely to re-sign next year, I keep him. The A’s SS position is so dire that OCab is significantly better than any internal option. That the A’s next best internal option is a 25 yo with a sub .300 OBP and sub .300 SLG MLE is terrible.
Side note: Sean Rodriguez is putting up an MLE OPS of .783. And he’s younger than Pennington. Would you trade Justin Sellers and Richie Robnett for that? Because those two were Wuertz’s pre-season trade value.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Is that park adjusted? Also Rodriguez plays bad defense at SS
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm almost positive MLEs account for park
And to make up for the .200 OPS gap, Pennington would have to be 40 runs better with the glove. As a rough estimate, the absolute best defenders in baseball are around 20 runs. The worst, around negative 20. Would Pennington be the best defensive SS in baseball and SRod the worst?
I won’t even mention upside.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Could have sworn I hit reply to dfa's comment above
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
They do.
From MinorLeagueSplits:
-MLE’s are calculated using the league factors and formulas that
Sean Smith shared with me. Thanks Sean!
- Minor league park factors are Dan Symborski’s, and MLB’s are those
published at baseball-reference.com. NW Arkansas and Lehigh Valley
are assumed to be neutral. I don’t park-adjust walks or strikouts.
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 30, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
League factors isn't the same thing as park adjusted though
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 30, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
But Minor League Park Factors are.
At least according to Symborski.
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 30, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean again makes an idiotic move at the deadline.
Sanchez? Really? As in the guy who’s only marginally better than Juan “cheeseburger” Uribe, just with a better glove. Makes me wonder why the A’s didn’t make a play for Alderson by offering up Kennedy, but oh well.
You've got to hand it to Hunington.
The sheer volume of young pitching he’s acquired over the past few months is damn impressive. I don’t think they got enough back in the McLouth deal, but to the extent that it freed up resources to use in the June draft I suppose it was a good move. If that’s the worst trade that he’s made, however, than he’s doing a pretty good job.
by CapgrasDelusion on Jul 30, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think I agree with the "Giants made a terrible move!" sentiment
First of all, they have an option for 2010 on Sanchez, so it’s not a rent-a-player situation.
Second of all, their 2B options were pretty terrible so it’s a great place to upgrade.
Third of all, Sanchez is a career .300 hitter with a batting title on his resume who plays solid defense — that’s a very good player.
Fourth of all, the Giants were tied for a playoff spot at the time of the trade, kind of the time to make a “go for it” deal.
Fifth of all, Alderson’s potential is not as clear compared to Bumgarner’s, and with Bumgarner in the pipeline along with Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez under contract for a while, the Giants could afford to part with a good young pitching prospect.
Sabean gets a lot of grief on AN, but his team is good now and figures to be good in the near future, too. Color me a tad jealous.
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Just as long as you remain 'green' with envy, and not 'orange.'
by LoneStranger on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry. I'm A's all the way
Even if I’m grateful to the Giants this season for giving me that “every pitch counts” adrenaline rush.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I agree with the general sentiment, it wasn't a disaster
but ZOMG .300 hitter! isn’t really a good justification, since has never walked in more than 5.6% of his PAs. His defense at 3b looks very good but at 2b its much more ambiguous. Essentially his 2008 season with the bat was as bad as his 2006 season was good so you hope that he regresses to about 5 RAA with the bat, 20 Runs for replacement, somewhere between 0 and 5 RAA with the glove and 2.5 runs for position. so youre looking at a 2.75 to 3.25 WAR player. Plus the leveraged 1 WAR or so upgrade in a playoff chase is pretty valuable.
My problem with the move is the opportunity cost, If I am Sabean I would have used Alderson and Barnes to get a more elite upgrade than Garko and Sanchez, since thats the start of a package with a good haul. There are a lot of people however who have said that Alderson’s stuff has slipped recently, from grover to Keith Law (and yes that is in the order I value their insights), so getting rid of him now makes sense if the Giants are worried about that.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Barnes and Alderson together might have been a good starting point for a V-Mart or Holliday trade.
by CapgrasDelusion on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Vmart would have been way better and cheaper for them salary wise next year.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Best breakdown of the trade I've seen.
I don’t know very much about pitching mechanics, but Alderson’s motion strikes me as one with a lot of extraneous motions. He drops down pretty far to drive off his back foot, doesn’t really step over or have much torque for velocity, and his arm snaps back on his follow through.
Baseball isn't magic.
Sanchez isn't that big of an upgrade.
If we’re talking offense (which is the reason why the Giants are overachieving right now), they need a much bigger return for someone like Alderson. Sanchez putting up .296/.334/.442 doesn’t really seem like all that big of an upgrade over Uribe at .284/.314/.431. Yeah, I agree that the roughly 1 win upgrade Sanchez offers is valuable, but I don’t think it’s worth a 20 year old with plus control in AA.
Plus, he’s 31, injury prone, and his contract holds an $8 million option, which last time I heard, the Giants weren’t looking to add to the payroll, and additionally were looking to get younger, not older.
I think there is a benefit to the Giants, but I can’t really justify giving up Alderson, especially when they just traded Baker for an even more marginal upgrade.
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Two thoughts on that:
1. Uribe has put up good numbers this year, but going forward you’d expect him to do worse than that, not better or the same. My bottom line is that the Giants just got better in the middle of a very tight race — I’ll take a right side of Garko and Sanchez over a right side of Ishikawa and Uribe any day.
2. I have a feeling the Giants, internally, have concluded that Bumgarner is all that and more, but that Alderson just isn’t. So maybe those guys were touted as the next “Lincecum and Cain,” but the Giants feel that they are in fact the next “Lincecum and J. Sanchez.” Or to put it in A’s terms, not the next “Anderson and Cahill” but rather the next “Anderson and Simmons.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd agree that it is an improvement.
But I have a hard time justifying that minimal of an upgrade for the price they paid, (#2 and #3 pitching prospects).
by MrMoneyBaller on Jul 30, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree here.
He’s killing PR to do it, but he’s getting the job done. That system is flush with youth. Looking at how the NL Central is going, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Pirates-Brewers NL Central in 2011 or so.
The only remotely big strickout Huntington made was with Bay last year, and any GM who makes such a large volume of trades will lay an egg or two here and there.
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Option five already happened
When Hannahan was traded to the Mariners.
Sigh.
LOL AT JOCKETTY
12:20pm: Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal says the Reds and Jays are talking about a Rolen-Yonder Alonso swap. Say what?
Seriously, Walt, Haven’t you learned your lesson about trading top young talent for injury prone veterans? Even if said injury prone vets are good when healthy.
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OMG I want a time travel machine to make them give us Cozart and Frazier for Holliday
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
What's with all the capital letters!!
Just kidding OFS :-)
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Props for changing the title.
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