Angels Sean Rodriguez 2 A's 4 Wuertz?
by 0akFoSho on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 PM PDT
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PrintMentioned on ESPN Rumor mill today that the Angels might be willing to move Rodriguez!
This kid is supposedly a top flight SS prospect. He has struggled in his limited time in the bigs, but a change of scenery, and playing his traditional position SS, instead of 2B, might be what this kid needs. This kid was a cant miss prospect before his recent stint in the Bigs, and seems like a great option to grow and play with the A's long term. Not to mention, he may just be an Angel killer out of Spite, and that would be great.
This is incridible value for a middle reliever, and if Billy can get this kid, I say fire away.
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There is already a post about Wuertz on the site.
This is not needed.
How Much Might He Actually Be Wuerth?
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
No
Do Not want
1) we don’t need to give up Wuertz. Our pen needs pitchers like him. Ziggy is vulnerable (awful) against LHP and this guys K’s nearly every hitter he faces (exaggeration)
2) Screw the slegnA. Why make them better
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
Yes....what you said.
Wuertz needs to stay here for the next couple years to maintain the bullpen strength. And screw the Angels is right…..!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Relievers for us grow on trees
We have a fucking ton of them.
If we can get Sean-Rod for him, then do it.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Great value for Wuertz
plus, aren’t we looking to 2011 anyway? What good does keeping Wuertz next year do for a 65-win team?
by chillicothe20 on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
He is signed through 2011, but relievers grow on trees in our system. Relief help should not be a problem in 2011. Plus, Billy has show the willingness to go out and get a reliever or two in the offseason if necessary.
S&BP > Mile High Mules
What good does keeping Wuertz next year do for a 65-win team?
He helps prevent it from being a 55-win team instead.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
When the playoffs are for 85-90+ win teams
who cares if we win 30, 50, or 70?
Build, build, build for 2011, when 80 wins would be more plausible.
by chillicothe20 on Jul 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
cue iglew:
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
But no mention of any actual details in that article..........
It is a story entitled to daily update, besides there only fan posts.
S&BP > Mile High Mules
Thank God for that
Fuck the Angels.
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
it doesn't say what the offer was...
any idea if it was actually Sean Rodriguez?
I hate to be this guy...
but next time can you spell out to and for please? Just a pet peave. Thank you.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
I thought he was trying to make it look like a game score that had the A’s beating the angels…
by chri5 on Jul 29, 2009 8:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's the new Twitter-friendly AN titles.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
more reasons to hate twitter
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
Oh come on
If the trade were Rodriguez for Wuertz, it would only be making the Angels better in the short term. In the long term, a swap of those two players would be helping the A’s, as a player of that caliber playing a middle infield position is worth far more than a reliever with an ERA in the 3’s.
Anyone who’s saying “Fuck the Angels, don’t give them a good player” about this prospective deal is missing the fact that this trade would make the Angels franchise WORSE. Would you really trade Rodriguez for Wuertz? Hell no, because the value of Rodriguez is greater than the value of Wuertz. Who cares if it helps the Angels this year, in the overall it’s a win for the A’s. Come on people, Wuertz is not God, he has an ERA of over 3, which is good but definitely not great for a bullpen arm. Meanwhile, Sean Rodriguez has hit over 20 homers in the minors, in less than a full season, as a middle infielder, as a 24 year old. Do I have to explain how rare that is in baseball?
I don’t actually believe the Angels would make that deal. I’m just trying to explain to people: I hate the Angels too, but you shouldn’t be so paralyzed by the idea of accidentally helping them that you don’t recognize a good trade when you seen one.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
by Philip Christy on Jul 29, 2009 3:07 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
GMs do not trade to make their teams' situations worse.
There are opportunity costs when players are swapped and it all depends on what is valued at the time the deal is made. The Angels have plenty of infielders at the moment and have to gear up for the post season. If they have to give up a touted prospect to get a player they want right now, they do it and they are not made worse off for it. The games themselves might be of the zero-sum varieties but trades are definitely not; both teams do ‘win’ in a trade or the trades would not even go down in the first place.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 29, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions
another 2nd baseman for A's?
Looks like a good player, but why would A’s trade for another young 2nd baseman?
+1,000,000
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
because the A's minor league system might not have ever seen a power hitting middle infeilder that gets an RBI per game and 23 HR in half a year before
yes its AAA and a hitters park but he’s also only played 140 games in AAA so if he’s not ready just yet he can be soon. And he’s played around 500 games as SS so even if he’s not a defensive wizard there, he can pass if the bat plays.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
(pssst.)
Bobby Crosby. 2003. AAA.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
that was a good year for Crosby 111 games. 18hr 69 rbi.
but in 78 games AAA games this year, 23/76 for S—Rod. Last year in 66 AAA games 21hr/52 rbi. try again.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
Using RBI's in your argument...
takes a lot of credibility away from what you are arguing
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
RBIs are stupid.
You try again.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Ok I'll try-OPS-Crosby Best Year 916
OPS- S-Rod rookie league 2004 1005
Blend A+/AA 2006- 950
2008 1042
2009 1002
try again
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
Bobby Crosby > can actually play average to above average short
Sean Rodriguez > can’t
Baseball isn't magic.
this side thread is a response to the question "why would the A's trade for another 2nd basemen?
In a nutshell because S-Rod has the potential to be a +power bat at a position (2nd/SS) that is extremely hard to find . The A’s need more +power bats anywhere they can find them more than they need average to above avg defense.
If we are going to gamble, gamble on the “potential” + power bat middle infielder. If there is another “potential” + power bat that BB likes better, and can actually get, then by all means get him. I just don’t see who .
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
In general, I'm kinda low on Angels and Twins hitting prospects.
Most profile with few walks in the majors for my taste and I doubt both the contact rate and power keep pace.
Baseball isn't magic.
I hate to burst your bubble with real math, but
+1 to the millionth power is still just +1
(Oh, who am I kidding? I didn’t hate that at all.)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
BRANDON WOOD says HI...
they hit in all the same parks and had the same inflated numbers.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Better, now are you going to normalize those stats because minor league numbers vary so wildly?
If Sean Rodriguez was so awesome, why is he in the minors and not starting over Howie “80 OPS+” Kendrick, and why is he being talked about as a piece in a trade for a relief pitcher?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I agree he hasn't done shit in the majors and may need another year or two to finally pull it together if ever.
If I’m going to gamble, S-Rod is the gamble I take looking at the other names being thrown out there. I think (not sure) S-Rod is going to be out of options and will have to play in the majors next year. For a team that is competing for 1st every year that’s a problem. For the A’s right now, its not.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
I'm not trading one of the better arms in the bullpen for a "maybe" prospect
considering that doing so would basically mean that the A’s will end up facing said bullpen arm for the next 2 years.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Ahhh yes, but would you trade an absolutely "wont be here" in 2012 when were ready to compete guy......
for a possible stud who could be here till 2016 through the years we will be competitive?
S&BP > Mile High Mules
Because Scoscia and the Angels are morons?
You could say the same thing about Wood….doesn’t mean either is a bad prospect.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Doesn't he play short?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
To easy of a trade
Why does the Angels want to give him up so easily? Do they know something bad about him? They are willing to trade a prospect to the A’s inside their own division. Tells me something is wrong with this prospect.
He isn't that good
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Another Pennington
Thats my take. Beane rule is try to never trade within division.
Hes made a trade with every org in the division
so how bout you don’t make shit up?
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Commentators were talking about this last night.
Sounded more like a courtesy than a rule to me. I’d personally like to see Wuertz stay – for the same reasons others mention. Some of the ppl we have in the pen scare me every time they play!!
"I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat, and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?" Yogi Berra
by BERRYJO on Jul 29, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a rule, but it's a common-sense habit.
When you make a trade and the trade is reasonably fair, both teams improve. There is no net gain against the team you trade with, but both teams have a net gain over everyone else in the league.
Ideally you’d rather gain against your closest rivals, so you’d rather trade with someone further away. But trading with a rival is still better than not trading at all, since you at least still have a gain against your other rivals.
If you have a deal to make and you have a choice, you prefer the non-division team. But if that’s the best or only deal available, you take it.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Exactly.
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt - if you are aiming to improve your team
you do what you gotta do!
"I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat, and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?" Yogi Berra
by BERRYJO on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
reread dumb a$$
Try to never and never are 2 different things.
Don't call someone else a dumb a$$
when you’re the one who doesn’t make sense.
You’re splitting hairs between not trading and trying not to trade? So what are you saying, he made the trades by accident?
“Oh, look here’s a contract trading Hannahan to Seattle. I sure wouldn’t want to do that. I’d better put this pen away so that nothing bad happens. …. oh noze! my hand slipped! I accidentally signed it. Darn, and I tried so hard not to.”
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.
by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn those slippery pens!
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
One other thing to add: Also don't call someone else a dumb a$$
even if you’re the one who makes sense. Basically: don’t call someone else a dumb a$$.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That doesn't make cents
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
+1
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
If we trade Wuertz to the slegnA...
I’m asking for Brandon Wood. If the slegnA say no ( which they probably would), hang up the phone. If they say yes, pull the trigger. Sean Rodriguez is a little too “meh” for me. Although Wood hasn’t proven anything at the major league level yet, his huge potential is still there.
Remember we don’t have to trade Wuertz. We should only move him for a very good prospect. We shouldn’t deal him just for the sake of dealing him.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
I agree with this
They don’t HAVE to trade Wuertz. He’s a very good pitcher, under control for two more years. Look at his WHIP, K:IP, and K:BB ratios. And it’s not a fluke. Not to say Bailey is, but Wuertz has done this for a few years. Nothing wrong with having a strong bullpen while you develop young starting pitching. If Beane gets bowled over with an offer, is he expendable? Yes. But I wouldn’t mind having him in the pen the next two years.
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