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Top 25 A's Prospects: (Sickles Style)


Ranking the prospects in our system may be a little premature, at this time- given that Billy Beane is most-likely not done trading and Green, Dyson, Stassi, and Krol have yet to be signed. However, I wanted to get a mental snapshot of what the A’s system currently looks like now- and just worry about inserting whatever other prospects are imported into the A’s system via trade, later.

I went, pretty much, off the John Sickels “template” for ranking minor league systems and individual prospects. However, I included a little more description involving each prospect than Sickels tends to do- especially towards the end of the rankings. I ranked the best 25 prospects, as I see them, but also included a list of other A’s prospects who should be considered-  at the end-  with the intent to inspire debate about who should be included and who should not make the cut.

I am very confident in my judgment of where these respective prospects should be ranked. However, the A’s system is so rich and deep in talent right now that I fully welcome differing opinions and/or criticism. Anyways, I hope you all enjoy- and let the debating begin!  

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Prospect Rankings:

1)      Brett Wallace 3B-1B, GRADE A-: Defensive concerns preclude him from receiving an A.  His walk rate, at the triple A level, is slightly down relative to expectations; but overall he has done nothing to suggest he is not one of the elite bats in the minors. I personally believe he will be able to be at least passable at 3B for a 3-4 year period- then have to make the switch to first. Regardless, He was ranked the 21st best prospect in the Minors midseason and I am legitimately excited about the A’s plugging him, somewhere, in the lineup for 2010 and beyond.

2)      Adrian Cardenas 2B-3B, GRADE B+: Borderline A-. Not hitting many home runs in Double A, but batting around .350 with solid patience while hitting tons of doubles. If he begins to hit more homeruns he could really turn into a scary offensive player.

3)      CHRIS CARTER 1B, GRADE B+: Borderline A-. There are some reports that he has a couple of holes in his swing and he probably will continue to strikeout a lot, in the majors. However, Carter has hit .300+ this season, while drawing tons of walks and being one of the HR leaders in the Texas league, with 16. If he can continue to cut down on his K’s he will be very deserving of an A- grade.

4)      JEMILE WEEKS 2B, GRADE B+: Started the year injured, but then proceeded to tear up CAL league pitching; he got at least one hit in each of his first 23 games while also hitting for power and drawing tons of walks. He has come down to earth since then, but he still looks like a potential impact bat who can be slotted into 2B or CF. Has not stole many bases this year, but that is probably due to the fact that he has been battling hamstring issues.

5)      AARON CUNNINGHAM OF, GRADE B: Borderline B+: Continues to hit as expected. May be under-selling his ceiling. However, if he can show a little more power he will be very deserving of a B+ grade.

6)      SEAN DOOLITTLE 1B-OF, GRADE B: Has been hampered by injuries for a good portion of this year. Still projects as a .270-.290 player with solid patience and 15-20 home run power. Given the 1B logjam in Oakland he will probably be playing corner outfield exclusively upon his return.

7)      JOSH DONALDSON C-3B, GRADE B-: Borderline B: If Donaldson can slightly improve his hitting tool and begin to show some more HR power he should grade out as a solid B-level prospect. Love the plate discipline and the gap power he is currently displaying- 30+ doubles. Questionable whether he will remain behind the plate. However, his bat could be very playable at third.

8)      TYSON ROSS SP, GRADE B-: Borderline B: Mechanics are still reportedly somewhat out-of-whack. However, after a rough initial start in the CAL league, he has really started to come on by striking out nearly a batter an inning and inducing tons of groundballs. Recently promoted to Double AA, where he could really begin to take off ala Vin Mazzaro last year.

9)      GRANT GREEN SS, GRADE B-: Has yet to officially sign with Oakland. Somewhat disappointing junior year (in college)-at least compared to expections coming into the year. Still, if he can show power and the ability to stay at SS defensively, he should quickly become one of the top SS prospects in the minor leagues.

10)   MICHAEL YNOA SP, GRADE B-: Has yet to make an official minor league appearance. The lottery ticket of the A’s organization projects to become one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. However, given his age, a lot could happen during his minor league career- i.e. injuries (knock on wood)- to prevent him from ever reaching his ridiculous potential.

11)   JAMES SIMMONS SP, GRADE B-: Has been somewhat disappointing at triple A so far. However, he is still young, for triple A, and his projection as a prospect that has a good chance of reaching his potential as a back of the rotation innings-eater still remains the same.

12)   GRANT DESME OF, GRADE B-: His negatives are age, relative to level, and a horrendous strikeout rate. However, it is hard to ignore a guy who already has 20 hrs and 30 sb’s- between Low A and High A. He can’t afford any more injuries that will further set back his development. However, if he can cut down on his strikeouts he has the potential to turn into a very strong hitting prospect.

13)   HENRY RODRIGUEZ RP, GRADE B-: Up and down year so far at triple. Still possesses outstanding stuff and if he could just improve the consistency of his control he should be a deadly late-innings option for Oakland.

14)   MAX STASSI C, GRADE B-: Has yet to officially sign with Oakland. Would have been a likely first round pick if not for signability issues. A catcher who projects to be an above-average hitter, for his position, is always a valuable commodity in a team’s minor league system.

15)   SAM DEMEL RP, GRADE B-: Rated a C+ by sickels previously. Sickels noted that his command could wobble in Double A which I imagine is the reason he went with a C+ instead of a B-. Regardless, his 1.04 ERA with 40 SO’s in 43+ innings- between AA and AAA- warrants a bump up to a B- grade. However, it is important to note that he still walks a fair amount of hitters- 18 BB’s in those 43+ innings which suggests that Sickles’ concerns were not completely unwarranted.

16)   MATT SPENCER OF, GRADE C+: Borderline B-. He has had an excellent season between high A and double A, and continues to prove that he was more than just a throw-in prospect in the Blanton deal. If he continues to hit for a solid average- currently batting .293- he could develop enough power to have a future as a corner outfielder in Oakland.

17)   ANTHONY CAPRA SP, GRADE C+: Borderline B-. Capra has been pitching excellently this season, striking out 103 batters in 100 innings while boasting a 3.24 ERA. Recently promoted to Stockton- if he can continue to post similar numbers for the rest of the season, he will probably be well –deserving of a B- grade at the end of the year.

18)   SHANE PETERSON OF, GRADE C+: Borderline B-. He was given a C+ grade coming into the year by Sickels. The A’s look like they are going to put him in CF and see if he can stick, defensively. If he does, and he continues to hit well- and possibly show a little more HR power- he should be worthy of a B- grade by year’s-end.

19)   BRETT HUNTER P, GRADE C+: Borderline B-. Sickels gave him a B- coming into the year. It was probably expected that this year would very up and down as Hunter tinkers with a few mechanical things to help him avoid injury. It is important to note that- for a guy like Hunter- grades are relatively meaningless because a year from now he could become a B+ level prospect or completely fall off the map, depending on how his arm holds up.

20)   COREY BROWN OF, GRADE C+: I am inclined to think that Brown would be much higher on this list- and established as at least a B- level prospect- had he not been battling injuries throughout this year. I am not sure whether he’s had various small-nagging injuries or one major injury. The lost development time mainly hurts because he is a player who needs to improve his strikeout rate- something that is helped by getting more and more used to higher-level pitching. If he can learn to cut down on his K’s, he should emerge into a very exciting option; someone that can play all three OF spots for the A’s in the future. He rivals Desme and Dixon for the best power/speed combination in the A’s system.

21)   FAUTINO DE LOS SANTOS SP, GRADE C+: Beginning to make his come back from TJS. He pitched a couple of innings earlier this month- but has not pitched in 15+ days since then. Hopefully they are just being cautious, but it would be nice to get an update on what’s going on. It will be interesting to see whether the A’s continue to try to develop him as a starter or attempt to speed up his development by using him as a RP. He is a pitcher who- like Hunter- could reclaim his pre-injury top prospect status a year from now, or never recover and completely fall off the map.

22)   RASHUN DIXON OF, GRADE C+: Given his age, I am somewhat willing to say that we should not be too concerned with his OVERALL performance so far this season- hell, Aaron Hicks is only batting .218 at the same age and level, and he is considered a top 50 prospect midseason. However, his strikeout rate- and overall lack of plate discipline- is something to watch because if, at some point in the near future, he doesn’t begin to improve them; He will begin to get lost in the shuffle of the plethora of outfield prospects, the A’s have, making their way through the system. As mentioned above though, he possesses possibly the top power/speed combination in the A’s system and is too damn young to start to get soured on his future potential just yet.  

23)   CLAYTON MORTENSON SP, GRADE C+: Given a C+ by Sickels coming into the year; His performance this year has not warranted a bump up to a B-. However, he still projects to be a back of the rotation starter and could be someone the A’s could use in multiple spots as both a reliever and starter. Since he is a sinkerballer, his stuff could play up in Oakland.

24)   KENNY SMALLEY SP, GRADE C+: Hard for me to judge his true value at this point because- to my knowledge- there have been no scouting reports or evaluation pieces, put out on the internet, by prospect prognosticators. However, judging from his stats- he currently leads the A’s system with the best SP ERA at 1.99 while striking out 86 in 90+ innings- I think he should be in the top 25 and may be a very promising pitching prospect to watch depending on what future scouting reports indicate about his stuff.

25)   ARNOLD LEON P, GRADE C+: A young interesting arm who has already made his way to Double A. His performance, this season, has been generally disappointing. However, he is still very young, relative to AA, and projects to become a very promising late-innings power arm down the road. He may be converted, at some point, to a starter and it would be interesting to see what his ceiling would be-as a starter. However, I haven’t seen much of an indication that that will happen; so right now he should be judged mainly as a RP.

OTHERS: Petey Paramore C, Josh Leyland C, Josh Horton SS, Nino Leyja 2B, Cliff Pennington SS, Jason Christian SS/3B, Corey Wimberly SS/OF, Dusty Coleman SS, Matt Sulentic OF, Jeremy Barfield OF, Ben Hornbeck SP, Carlos Hernandez SP, Sam Dyson SP (if he signs), Ian Krol SP (if he signs), Andrew Carignan RP (should he be in the top 25?, Sickels gave him a B-), Travis Banwart SP, Mickey Storey RP, Jared Lansford RP, Graham Godfrey SP.     

 

 

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Five of Sickels top 13 are playing with the A's. All pitchers. all B- to B+ grades. and one more C+ at #17 that made the All=star game

I hope we have another batch like that next year and Sickels next 5/13 B grades prospects make it with a bonus all-star on top of it. I count about 10 questions for you below.

Would your next 20 guys mentioned be C’s interchangeable with the C+’s ? what is his ranking system suppose to be based on? ei does a B have a 20% chance to make it, a B+ 25%? does he go down to a D or F and what would that mean?

 Do you (or anyone) know enough about the prospects or where to find the information to tell me some random things like:

 A ) who has hit the farthest HR in the A’s Minor system
B ) who has the fastest pitch
C) who has the best arm-longest outfield assist.
D) has anyone, not part of a double steal or error, stolen home more than once?
E) who has the best tools? individually and together
F) who has the best pitches? ie best curve ball etc.
G) insert your random interesting question here
H) is anyone else really interested in stuff like this about prospects?
 I) who is the fastest mover ie. pitcher and hitter that improved the most over last year?

I realize that some or most of these questions are unanswerable or would require a ton of research to find out but then again maybe I am wrong about that. Thanks for taking the time to do this post, when the team is down and out this type of post is what interests me the most.

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by OmahaHi on Jul 27, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

2012

I’m amused that they penciled in Matt Holliday in LF.

by mk on Jul 27, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let me give it a try

A) Im pretty sure thats Carter
B) KG had Daniel Thomas at 98 in Kane County a couple of days ago so its either him or Henriguez
C) Im thinking Doolittle when he plays the outfield has the best arm since he was hitting the mid 90s in college
D) No idea
E) Probably Brown/Dixon has the highest upside if he reaches it
F) Fastball Thomas or Rodriguez Change up probably Simmons with the change up, Gio if he qualifies with the curve
G) Why do snozzberries taste like snozzberries?
H) yes a lot of people are
I) Im going with Capra

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by designatedforassignment on Jul 27, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I) Hornbeck?

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by vignette17 on Jul 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hornbeck would be another good choice.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Jul 27, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I) Hornbeck and Everidge...

F) Hornbeck best changeup (Honorable mention Smalley/Capra)
Storey best curveball
Rodriguez best fastball
Ross best slider

by nomorequada on Jul 27, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good rankings.

Id have Corey Brown a lot higher tho. Id also have Carter at A-. I didnt expect him to bat 300 this far into the year.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Regarding Corey Brown...

I do agree he should be higher. As soon as I finished the list and looked it over- I almost immediately jumped him over Spencer, Capra, Peterson and hunter- to the 16th spot. The only reason I didn’t is because I wanted to stay true too- and therefore was somewhat handicapped by- Sickels ranking system.

Sickels had him as a straight C+ coming into the year. Since then his season has been generally ravaged by injuries- so obviously he hasn’t been able to do much to even bump up his grade to a borderline B-. All the C+’s I listed ahead of him, I felt were borderline B-’s so if I bumped him ahead of them, without noting him as a borderline B-, it would have been somewhat contradictory.

Anyways, I think that by the end of the year- once he starts to play again- I will be able to give him a higher grade and comfortably put him in the top 15- where I think he belongs. He just seemed weird increasing his grade- from what sickels gave him coming into the year- when he’s been mostly injured throughout the year.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice list and thank you for taking the time to make this.

this types of threads excite me more than anything.

The guy on there that intrigues me the most is FDLS. Hopefully we hear something on him soon as I hope he is healthy.

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by SoCalA'sFan on Jul 26, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah service time for...

And I tried to not include anyone over 25 years old-or turning 26 this year. So while Eric Patterson would certainly make this list- the fact that his 26- or about to be- is why I left him, everidge, etc. off the list.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if you throw out all those "borderline" calls, it's pretty good.

A lot of your B- players might be C+ (at least Desme). Brown higher. Ross lower.

by NateHST on Jul 26, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

True...

But it is still midseason. So noting the borderline etc. is just a way of suggesting that further similar performance, or slightly improved performance-for the rest of the season- should move them into the next grade-level.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still have some hope for Cliff Pennington

I hope he gets 100% of the playing time once O Cab is traded – If crosby is the SS – kill me!

by ryanmoser on Jul 26, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder how much, if at all, Weeks' injury

would knock his ranking down (maybe to a B) — on one hand, he appears to have recovered fully and has no particular injury history, but on the other hand we know that injuries can nag/recur and the pessimist in us has to be fearing he’ll end up with the “injury prone” label.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I am with you there, I am very worried about the Injury history, hopefully he stays healthy from now on!

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by winchester5 on Jul 26, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is interesting...

That he has not been stealing many bases despite getting on base a lot. It probably indicates that he (or the team) does not fully trust that he has overcome his hamstring injury. In regards to other players who have been injured- like Corey Brown FDLS etc.- I did put them a little lower than their potential would say they should rank b/c of varying degrees of injuries. Maybe I should have done the same with Weeks.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess my thinking is that perhaps it

becomes part of the equation of “reasons he could succeed / reasons he could fail” and makes him closer to a “B” probability than a “B+” — I hope not, but I wonder.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had injury issues at Miami as well

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by designatedforassignment on Jul 26, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

RE: Aaron Cunningham

I was playing around on thebaseballcube the other day, using their “compare” function to help “project” Aaron Cunningham. I found that Aaron Cunningham and Chase Utley have eerily similar career Minor League numbers. Both also are college kids, so their minor league career path could/should have a similar trajectory. It’s not exactly apples to apples, but still something to think about. It does show good potential upside for Cunningham.

Unfortunately I cannot link directly to the report, but I recommend everyone take a quick peek and play with the tool. Here is a link to Cunningham’s page, to save you some work :
Aaron Cunningham ’Cube page

by echerrst on Jul 26, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Cunningham and still have high hopes for him,

but he also swings and misses a ton. He seems to swing through a fair number of fastballs and not to track breaking pitches (often swinging where they were instead of where they are). IMO, he’ll be as good as he makes contact — not that this makes him unique, but maybe it applies more than for most.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ran a few numbers and came up with

0.00% chance of that.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donaldson,etc

I like the way Donaldson plays the game, he’s a real hustler. We need more gamers. Spencer is intriguing, also. He’s a big man who can hit, he can run a little bit too. Not really a base stealer, but fast enough to play OF. On the other hand, I’m not sold on Henry Rodriguez’s concern for the game. I want to see him care a little more. He can definitely throw hard.

by coachmule on Jul 26, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I love Donaldson.

His .395 OBP is awesome. And his K:BB ratio is 68:68. Power is a little down but damn that OB is sexay.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on Jul 26, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him too. I was really impressed with what I saw in spring training

and his frame seems conducive to 3B (certainly compared to Wallace).

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is Donaldson going to play?

Suzuki is the long term catcher and now Wallace is the answer to 3B for now. I don’t think he’ll hit enough to be a DH and of course he’s blocked there anyway.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose Donaldson could come up as Suzuki's backup catcher,

and then shift to 3B if/when Wallace moves off of 3B, or maybe even move into a platoon where Donaldson starts at 3B, Wallace at 1B against LHP, and Wallace starts at 3B, Barton or Doolittle at 1B against RHP.

Who knows … 2-3 guys will be injured, problem solved.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I like about the team moving forward...

C- Suzuki/Donaldson
1B- Barton/Carter/Doolittle/Wallace
2B- Cardenas/Weeks/Patterson
3B- Wallace/Donaldson
SS- Cardenas/Pennington
LF- Buck/Hairston/Cunningham
CF- Sweeney/Cunningham/Brown/Patterson
RF- Carter/Doolittle/Cust/Buck/Sweeney/Cunningham
DH- Carter/Wallace

These are all legitimate major leaguers if we just look at their minor league track record. This is a very flexible team. Obviously, some will fizzle out, but I like what I’m seeing.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant to put Cust at DH too.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hairston can obviously be in CF too.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess this is more a list of people who project to be everyday players...

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lack of a SS is the only glaring issue

Cardenas will never see SS and Pennington isn’t the answer to anything.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right...

hopefully Green is there to fill the void.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh God -- I read that as "Geren"

and nearly choked on my own vomit.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's okay to pencil Cardenas at SS;

Beane had Nomar and Chavez penciled in at 3B…

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by MMunoz33 on Jul 26, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of

If he and Stassi sign they’re automatically better prospects than Donaldson, for me.

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by hero66 on Jul 26, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think versatility is the biggest thing to note

about what this collection of talent could offer in the future. Inevitably, as nico alluded to, a couple of injuries will shorten this list- a couple more will be traded as well. But, at least Beane is creating a situation where the A’s have prospect positional logjams as opposed to positional holes.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep... I like that too.

Plus it provides ammo for the next round of Dye, Damon, Durham trades for when the A’s are in contention..

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Green?

And also it would be awesome to get a legitimate CF. Maybe Sizemore in FA.

by Glomar on Jul 26, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot him too...

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

My fantasy is Weeks, but it may not be realistic

Wallace at 3B, Cardenas at 2B, Weeks in CF might be a piss-poor defensive group, but it’s where the bats would play the best.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mentioned SS being the glaring hole...

I think defense might be the glaring hole. Hopefully Weeks or Cardenas would be able to play above average D. It sounds like Green can handle SS. Cahill and Mazzaro are going to induce a lot of grounders so we need that good infield D.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't heard a definitive report on Weeks' projected D at 2B

Do you know?

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard that the reason he would play CF is because he's not that great at 2B.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bleah.

I do feel, though, that the team needs a real CFer. They have so many guys who “play one on TV,” from Sweeney to Hairston to Patterson, but none of those guys should be in CF for a contending team. And the “true CFers” the A’s have coming up are no sure things to make it.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

I’m not sure who might be available soon as a free agent. The lineup might be good enough in a couple years to not have to worry about a big hitting CF… they’ll just need a real good defender. I’d go with that.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he could be pretty good defensively

The reports on him moving were largely speculative when he was drafted. He has the athleticism to cover a lot of ground at 2B and had shown good range. The concerns were that he would occasionally lose focus and that his technique was sometimes questionable.

So far this year he has only made 3 errors in 184 chances at 2B. Now errors are not the best indicator of defensive performance but for a guy who was considered to have good range but was error prone it is a good sign.

by OkayJay81 on Jul 26, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Geren penciled in as the A's manager?

llmao…

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by MMunoz33 on Jul 26, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

My fantasy lineup would be this:

C-Suzuki
1B- Wallace
2B- Cardenas
3B- Donaldson
SS- Green
LF- Buck
CF- Weeks
RF- Cunningham
DH- Carter

Of course, Cust would be traded and there are still people like Brown, Doolittle, Peterson, Spencer, and Desme to deal with.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s an interesting fantasy lineup. My fantasy lineup would be as follows.

C — Kurt Suzuki
1B — Albert Pujols
2B — Chase Utley
3B — Evan Longoria
SS — Hanley Ramirez
LF — Ryan Braun
CF — Grady Sizemore
RF — Justin Upton
DH — Adam Lind

Lineup:
SS — Ramirez
2B — Utley
1B — Pujols
3B — Longoria
DH — Lind
RF — Upton
LF — Braun
CF — Sizemore
C — Suzuki

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 26, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

lind fifth? braun 7th?

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by flipgatey3 on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

aaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhhh....

…..that is an outfield that would combine to hit maybe 40 HR’s a year. Strong, contending teams have POWER. The fact that the A’s have SO many OF prospects that project to hit 10-15 HR/season and precisely ZERO that project to hit 30+ is a bit worrisome…all our guys seem to be about 5’10"/165, with the exception of Sweeney, who is much larger, although he certainly hits as if he were 5’10"/165…
…on a side note, for those of you who wonder why Sweeney gets hated on so much at AN, there it is…he has a Matt Holliday body with a Cliff Pennington swing. He looks like an HR waiting to happen, but he’s more like the inevitable GIDP…lol…

by kitoko on Jul 26, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If 4th OFers are ever undervalued,

the A’s will be in terrific shape.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Corey Brown.

Provided he learns to take a walk. The power is definitely there, though.

by danmerqury on Jul 27, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh... to you too.

I don’t quite get what the obsession with power is. High AVG, high OBP, avg SLG players are as or more valuable than avg OBP, high SLG players. It’s just a preconceived idea of what a corner outfielder’s supposed to do. Sure, power’s a great thing, but if Cunningham, Weeks and Buck are all average to above average hitters for their position, who cares if they do it with power or obp?

by Elston Gunn on Jul 27, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's more out of frustration

A’s lineups of late have featured little to no power. So obviously we would like to see more, because the last decade has had this formula to it.

Power hitters = we win.
No power hitters = we lose.

I kinda see where they’re going with it.

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by Orodawg on Jul 27, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, the Coliseum tends to suppress BA because of the huge foul territory

so hitting homers has historically been the key to a good offense.

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by Nick on Jul 27, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the 'roids...

(if we’re talking historically ;-) )

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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we should try to get Hanley Ramirez in FA

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by CarGon's Jock on Jul 28, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you referring to Grant Green?

He is ranked 9th…. also I did not consider Landon Powell b/c he is 26. I should have said that the only players who were under consideration were prospects who have not lost their prospect status due to 50 innnings pitched or 150 plate appearances or A’s players in the minor leagues who were 26 or older….

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was referring to my depth chart.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is 26

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by flipgatey3 on Jul 30, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the A's do too much of this position flexibility stuff with the wrong guys

Take Wallace for example.
Everyone says he can hit, period. Let’s pick the position he is most likely to play for us and put him there and let him stay there. That frees him up to do tons of drills and improve his defense at one position.
He’s gonna get enough pressure when he gets moved into the #5 spot in like his tenth game in the majors. Wouldn’t it be nice if he could come in playing 3b, batting 9th. and then focus on his defense and slowly move up the batting order.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Jul 27, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some disagreements

-Green should be higher. I would trade him for Weeks in a split second. He hit as good or better than Weeks in college and is a SS.
-Ross should be lower. Good but not great so far, and the motion creates some doubts. Mortensen is probably a bit better prospect.
-Sulentic should be on there somewhere. Still young and hitting decently in AA. Spencer is no kind of prospect at all. No defense, not nearly enough power, poor obp skills.
-Brown should probably be ahead of Desme; similar skills but he gets more BBs and has had some success at AA.
-I don’t think you’re underselling Cunningham’s ceiling. It is low.
-I’d probably put Pennington, Barfield, and Hornbeck on there at the expense of some of the guys at the bottom, Smalley and Dixon in particular.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions  

addressing MikeA's points....

1) I would take Grant Green over Weeks as well- But only because we are talking about a SS prospect versus a 2B prospect. Weeks had better stats, and displayed much more power- 4hrs for green to 13 for weeks- at the college level and weeks matches or is better in regards to every other offensive tool i.e. hitting for average, speed, strike-zone judgment.

2) I understand the arguement that Ross should be lower. However, he more than held his own in the CAL league and it will be interesting to see how he does in a league which is not as hitter friendly. What I do know is that he throws anywhere from 92-95 with good movement and sold to good secondary offerings- I believe his best secondary pitch is a slider. He also has an ideal pitching frame at 6’5 215 and is by all accounts very athletic. In addition to being able to strikeout a batter for inning he also seems to induce a lot of groundballs which should help him tremendously in Oakland. The only thing that seems to preclude him from being thought of as a top-notch prospect is this reportedly weird delivery. So maybe I am being too bullish- but if he can at least tinker with his windup to the extent where it is not causing injury- he seems like he could really potentially become a top prospect. I am going out on a limb and saying his performance in the Texas league from here on out will warrant top prospect consideration.

3) Sulentic is definately a very solid player and it wasn’t by any means that I was unmindful in not putting him in the top 25. However, He is someone who propably possesses a low ceiling- with an excellent chance of reaching it ala cunningham- and so I valued players with Higher ceilings ala Dixon… over him. Spencer is turning himself into a prospect whether you want to admit it or not and is currently on fire at Double A. My only concern with him is the OBP relative to average. However, he seems like someone- when it is all said and done who WILL have enough power to be a corner outfielder while not striking out too much- so if he can draw a few more walks- I think he has a shot.

4) Listen, on Corey Brown, I mentioned this above but I felt like I was somewhat limited on how I could rank corey brown due to what Sickels gave him coming into the year- a C+- and the fact that he has been injured most of the year; so how could I justify bumping him up to a B-. I love love love love Corey Brown’s potential- more than spencer, more than cunningham, even more than Desme- but I didn’t want to bump him up for no reason. If you read what I wrote it suggests that I believe is grade will go up tremendously once he starts playing consistently again…

5) Cool

6) Instead of who then? I do like Hornbeck- but you think Barfield should be up there while considering spencer a non-prospect… I would like some justification for that…

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

True fact:

When I read, “4hrs for green to 13 for weeks” initially I thought you were comparing 4 hours to 13 weeks.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha yeah my bad....

Green Had 4 “home runs” to 13 “home runs” for Weeks during their respective junior years in college- For anyone who was similarly confused like Nico.

by MAC Attack on Jul 26, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I was the only one

Per usual.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

...As opposed to those damn false facts?

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by vignette17 on Jul 26, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

false facts do not exist as they are tautologically impossible

my ex girlfriend and I use to fight over this all the time.

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by designatedforassignment on Jul 26, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your girlfriend is wiser than you.

When you deny paradox you make the universe a smaller place.

Without paradox, your system cannot even exist. Here you are saying that something “does not exist”. What does not exist? If it does not exist, how do you even discuss it?

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by iglew on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't reply to this because you didn't comment.

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by Nico on Jul 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well played

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get the existential angle on that

but really its likehow combination of mater and antimatter forms nothingness. I can describe the two components but not the hole because something cannot have both matter and antimatter and be anything.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow lets try that again

I is similar to the combination of mater and antimatter which forms nothingness. I can describe the two components, just like I can describe something that is false and something that is fact, but not the whole because something cannot be both matter and antimatter and be anything.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Majorana particles

they are their own antiparticle (link)… that probably doesn’t have any implications on your discussion, but I’m a physicist, not a philosopher

by colin on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I just read the wikipedia entry twice and i still have no fucking idea what that is.

Dating girls is like starting pitching depth, you think you have a good full rotation, even too many starters, then in an instant as soon as you trade your depth away injuries decimate your rotation and you are forced to start Sidney Ponson.

by designatedforassignment on Jul 29, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sulentic is hitting about the same as Spencer and is about 3 years younger. I don’t think he has much upside, but Spencer is running out of time. Dixon over Sulentic would be ok for upside reasons, but Dixon currently is completely unskilled at hitting. Barfield is about 3.5 years younger than Spencer and is 6’5" 250, which indicates big power potential and he’s a more skilled hitter than someone like Dixon.
Ross has good upside. Not really a serious disagreement. I probably like him better than the other pitchers on the list (except for DLS), but maybe less than some of the hitters.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strangely enough it looked like Sulentic was going to try CF

Sulentic may need to change positions to gain upside. Every opinion I’ve read suggested Sulentic played great D, but he hasn’t really hit like a corner OFer. Sulentic was drafted as a 2b/OF, so I’ve wondered why Sulentic didn’t make the conversion back to 2b where his bat would play (regardless of Cardenas/Weeks). Then, the last couple days before Peterson was acquired, the A’s put Sulentic at CF. Would have been interested to see how that went.

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by vignette17 on Jul 26, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

My impression is that Sulentic isn't particularly fast

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peterson is another guy whose hitting about as well as Spencer and is a lot younger and plays better D.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cunningham and Wallace

I mentioned this the other day on one of the many threads the day of the trade. Cunningham is only 4 months older than Wallace (April ’86 for Cunningham, August ’86 for Wallace), and has a much better track record at AAA in his career: similar K/BB numbers, much better power and slash stats:

Cunningham: 72 games, .317/.387/.538
Wallace: 63 games, .294/.345/.421

For the A’s, a 3B prospect is more valuable than a corner OF who might be able to handle CF at an okay level. But why does Wallace’s bat merit an A (you say the A- is for his defense), while Cunningham’s merits only a B?

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

That's a good observation...

I would suspect that most people would put Wallace ahead of Cunningham, though you’ve pointed out that they have similar stats and are the same age.

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by brenarlo on Jul 26, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

few things

Part of it is scouting. Every scout loves Wallace’s bat (many thought he was the best hitter in the draft, etc.), but has doubts about Cunningham, as do I (about Cunningham) for basically the reasons Nico mentioned above. Wallace has a somewhat better power track record and is a huge guy, whereas Cunningham is pretty small
They’re the same age, but you would expect the non-college player to be more advanced due to playing many more games against better competition than college guys. So Wallace’s performance so far is more impressive from that standpoint and also suggests that it is reasonable to expect more improvement. Guys like Smoak, Pedro Alvarez, and Yonder Alonso are better hitting prospects than Cunningham because of their pedigree, even though their numbers vs. age doesn’t look as good at this point.
Cunningham has some K issues that are more serious than for Wallace.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess a fair question, maybe implied by Nick's comment,

is how much a failed cup-of-coffee stint (like Patterson has had, like Cunningham has had) should affect their ratings. On one hand, it’s a small sample and many very good players fail in their initial cup of coffee in the bigs. On the other hand, you see what you see and the jump from AAA to the major leagues is big and can turn a lot of .350 AAA hitters into .222 major league hitters.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Cunningham's case

he just needs to improve. His stint last year was pretty much the same as his MLEs. He struggled more this year, but it was just a couple weeks. A few good games would completely change the numbers. My opinion of him has lowered from his stints just from having watched him vs. having not watched him, which is a different issue. It also depends on age/experience. I wouldn’t be surprised or worried if Wallace was completely awful if called up now, but it’s not good for older guys like Patterson who aren’t going to get much better.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

few responses

Wallace’s K/BB numbers haven’t been good as a pro. Basically, he K’s twice as often as he BBs at every level, except AAA where he K’s about 3 times as often. Cunningham has been marginally better, and has hit for much more power than Wallace.

On the general point about Wallace’s ceiling being higher due to his shorter experience as a professional: it seems to me that by that standard, Doolittle should be rated even higher since he’s even younger than Wallace (only by a month, but still), has an even higher OPS than Wallace in AAA this year (in many fewer ABs due to his knee injury) and has been focusing on his hitting exclusively for only about 2 years after being mainly a pitcher in high school and college.

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wallace's status

is not based on his AAA numbers. If it were, no one would be excited. It’s based on the expectation that they will soon be better, due to his huge college numbers and scouting pedigree. Doolittle is a bit younger, but he has an extra year of experience. Neither of them have played enough in AAA to make much out of their numbers. Scouts like Wallace a lot better, he was much better in college, and he’s hit better as a pro. Doolittle was bad in 07, excellent in Stockton (in probably the best hitter’s league in the minors), struggled pretty badly in AA, and has hit pretty well in AAA. Wallace has a year less of development and tore up AA.

At this point in Wallace’s career, the fact that he was a high pick/destroyed college/scouts love him is as big a factor as anything he’s done in the minors. Dustin Ackley is a much better hitting prospect than Cunningham or Doolittle and he hasn’t played in the minors.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scouts were raving about Doolittle in spring training,

for whatever it’s worth. Not sure why they seemed to like him more than before, but my impression was that the word was more positive this March than it had been throughout his minor league career.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm more skeptical of the "spring training buzz" sort of stuff

there are always expressions of excitement about some ST invitee who hasn’t been there before. And a big part of it for Dooittle was just that he hit really well in ST which is always going to look good.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's kind of what I've been figuring

that it’s based a lot on how he looks at the plate. It’s funny — among all the stupid “The Moneyball approach means X,Y,Z…” b.s., I think one genuine core of Beane’s approach has been trying to evaluate players/prospects on objective criteria (mainly actual performance) and not on scouts’ sort of aesthetic impressions. If Chad Bradford gets tons of GBs and keeps guys off base, who cares if scouts think he throws funny? If Matt Stairs draws lots of walks and hits homers, what difference does it make that he’s short and round and looks like a beer-league softball player?

I realize I’m kind of being a devil’s advocate here, and I know that Wallace put up monstrous numbers in college (in a real conference, not some Div II place), but he’s not unusually young for his level, and aside from a 13-game hot streak in AA last year, he hasn’t shown particularly remarkable power, and minor league pitchers have found him pretty easy to K, while he’s not drawing all that many walks. Even if scouts think his swing is beautiful, at a certain point what matters is what he does with that beautiful swing. The cautionary example of this is Ryan Sweeney’s mythical power — scouts and teammates have been assuring everyone is just waiting to bust out any time now.

It also makes me very curious about the specifics of why he hasn’t maintained his production. Is he hitting lots of off-field flyouts that would have been HRs in college with an aluminum bat? Is he having trouble with pro breaking pitches? Does his swing look different?

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's really true that he hasn't "maintained his production"

He’s moved up very fast, and a lot of guys struggle initially when they move up. There are only 3 other guys from that draft who are even in AAA, and two of them struggled to start. Guys in their first year or two out of college often struggle a little bit and do fine. If he finishes the year with a .760 ops at AAA then maybe you should worry a bit.

He’s played about a full season’s worth in the minors and he’s hitting .306/.390/.466 with 19 HRs and 29 2Bs. His K numbers are really not that bad; not even close to as bad as Carter let alone Brown/Desme. Doolittle is at .272/.354/.449 in the minors at mostly lower levels.

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by mikeA on Jul 26, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those are good points, mikeA

I know that he’s advanced very quickly — maybe I’m making too big a deal about his age.

On Carter: he’s the youngest of all of these guys (Dec. ‘86 — and there I go talking about age again); he’s demonstrated serious power everywhere he’s played (always SLGing over .500), and his PAs/K in AA this year is very similar to Wallace’s (Carter has K’d once every 4.8 PAs at Midland, and Wallace K’d once efvery 4.3 PAs at Springfield). One good sign is that Wallace cut down on his Ks significantly in AAA (1 every 5.8 PAs).

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by Nick on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duobt I'd give Weeks a B+ at this point

And I object to Grant Green and Max Stassi being on this list. They have not signed and are not yet part of the organization.

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by grover on Jul 26, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I understand the Weeks should recieve a B sentiment... but I can justify it

Last year in a short-sample size he showed pretty good all around skills before injuring himself in a game against- if my memory serves me correctly- Peoria (Cubs affiliate). So that performance along with his small sample size and injury- justified a B in Sickels book. As I know you know Grover- being that you are one of the more knowledgeable prospect people on this site- Sickels is notorious conservative in his grading and so a B grade despite the apparent injuries and small sample size probably indicates that he likes his potential with/or with out the injury concerns.

So far, this season, he has put up all around strong numbers displaying similar hitting and on-base skills while boasting more power than expected- after the intitial injury. I think, ultimately, the deciding factor will be whether he stays healthy the rest of the year, gets promoted to Midland and continues to post solid numbers. If he does that, he will almost definately be worthy of a B+. If he doesn’t well he will stay at a solid B or even drop. I am inclined to think he will do the former- so that is why I gave him a B+.

In regards to Green and Stassi…. True they are not signed- and may not sign. However, the Oakland A’s committed a respective draft pick-for each player- and therefore hold their respective rights. I prefaced the rankings by saying “this ranking may be a bit premature”- due primarily to the unsigned draft picks. But I do view them as in this system until one or both of them decides the do not want to become a future member of the Oakland Athletics. Plus, I started out making this list for my own purposes- in which I wanted to include Green and Stassi b/c they represent two potential huge pieces of our future as well as the potential makeup of our Minor League system. However, I realized that I was writing so much about this that it would be stupid not to make it a post.

So if you don’t yet consider them members of this organization- that’s fine and you are pretty much right. But, I have my reasoning and I think it inspires more debate and speculation if they are included- so in that sense there inclusion serves a purpose.

And, finally, do you know how many comments there would be if I did not include Green or Stassi in the rankings….

by MAC Attack on Jul 27, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice List - Few things tho

Green should be higher. I would probably put him 5th.

Corey Brown should be a lot higher. Top ten despite the injuries he has had. He has cut down his strikeout rate while still putting up a 900+ OPS in AA with solid defense in CF.

Dusty Coleman should make this list easily. Probably in the 10-15 range.

by DeJay on Jul 27, 2009 2:32 AM PDT reply actions  

What has Coleman done?

Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst

by hero66 on Jul 27, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Solid tools and production. Should be able to stick at SS. Good draft pedigree. Granted there are flaws but I’d say he is at least a better prospect than Matt Spencer.

by DeJay on Jul 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

new prospect blog

go to www.diamondreport.wordpress.com. it is a decent new blog on minor league and draft prospects

by wutangruckus on Jul 27, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Where do the A's go from here?

As Taj pointed out in another post- our pitching depth in the minor leagues has started to disappear. Most of that can be attributed to the moving up of Anderson, Cahill, Mazarro, Gonzalez, and Outman. However, the Hairston trade also saw three arms go in Gallagher, Webb, and italiano.

With the A’s remaining trade bait- that being Cabrera, Wuetz, Duke etc.- should they use these pieces to restrengthen our AA and AAA staffs. Obviously, there is always a chance one or more of our young talented pitchers gets injured, i.e. Outman, or just flame-out. So, it would be nice to have a couple of additional healthy options waiting to step in.

In regards to Cabrera I am hoping they can acquire 21 year old David Bromberg from the Twins- a 6’5 241 pitcher who is currently in High A and sports a 2.86 ERA with 92 strikeouts in 103 innings. Last year he stuck out 177 in 150 innings. He seems poised to move up to Double A so he seems to be progressing nicely relative to age.

In regards to Wuetz, I would like to see them target Trevor Reckling as the centerpiece in a potential deal with the Angels. Currently, a 20 year old pitcher already in Double A; through 94 innings in AA, he has a 2.87 ERA with a 78/51 K/BB ratio. Obviously, the walks are excessive, but that seems to be more due to the fact that he is rediculously young for double A than that he has control issues.

by MAC Attack on Jul 27, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree

It’s not that the pitching depth has disappeared, it’s that the pitching depth has disappeared at the upper levels due to promotions, injuries, and a non-existent starting rotation to start the year.

The A’s still have a lot of really promising high upside pitchers like DLS, Ynoa, Ross, Hunter, and Capra, It’s just they all exist low in the system now that the A’s lopped off the top. In a year or two we’ll all be complaining about the pitching depth again and worried about how they are all being blocked by Anderson, Cahill, Braden, Mazzaro, Gonzalez, and Outman.

Also, I don’t see the Gallagher trade hurting the A’s pitching depth, since Webb, Italiano, and Gallagher had been passed up by so many other pitcher that they were non-entities at that point. They had a low chance of making it onto the A’s in any meaningful fashion, and were really only blocking other pitchers from getting promotions.

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Jul 28, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good list

The only thing I would change is I would move Green up to 5 but then again I think this year (at USC) was merely a case of draftitis and he will rebound but I can see how some people would be worried about ranking him so high

Grab Some Pine Meat!

by Gobroks on Jul 28, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I would like to see Wallace follow a, "Jim Thome" career path

First 4-5 years as a 3B and then switch to 1B. By the time he had to switch to DH we won’t be able to afford him anyway.

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

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