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Next to go: Orlando Cabrera

The big story in all of baseball yesterday was the highly anticipated Matt Holliday deadline trade, as the A's received a handsome three-prospect return for sending the best hitter on the market to the Cardinals.  Holliday instantly rewarded his new team with four hits in St. Louis' win Friday night.

After allowing myself a few hours last night to both pour over the stats of our three new acquisitions and to reflect on Holliday's contributions during his brief A's tenure, I found myself once again doing what A's fans are trained by habit to do:  look toward the future.

After months of speculation and thousands of AN comments, Holliday was finally traded.  So what's next?

With the trading deadline still one week away, there's ample time for Beane to continue to be active.  And for my money, the player that is most likely to go is Orlando Cabrera.

All four of Cabrera's logical potential suitors are AL contenders:  Boston, Seattle, Detroit, and Minnesota. 

After the jump, we'll discuss each of those four teams and why Cabrera is such a likely candidate to be dealt in the next week.  Hopefully you'll offer your opinions and perhaps even a reasonable hypothetical return prospect package for Cabrera from those teams.

Be sure to vote in the poll below!

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I'll start with the reasons why O-Cab is so likely to be on the move in the coming week:

1.  He's hitting.  Entering Friday's game, Cabrera was hitting .365 and slugging .500 in his last 30 games. Sure, it's an unsustainable BABIP.  But it also suggests that he's regularly hitting the ball hard, and I think we'd all agree there's some credence to the notion that, at the deadline, some GM's still value acquiring a guy who is "hot".

2.  Beane has absolutely no incentive to keep him through the end of the season.  Unlike Holliday, who would've likely yielded the A's two of the top 35 picks in the 2010 draft had the A's kept him through the season, Cabrera will garner the A's absolutely no compensation, despite the fact that he remains on track to finish the season ranked as a Type A free agent.  That's because Cabrera actually has it written into his one-year 2009 contract that the A's can't offer him arbitration after the season!  Thus, in a clear rebuilding year, Beane has every reason to extract some value for Cabrera from another team and to then give Cliff Pennington a 50-game audition at shortstop for the remainder of '09, to see if Cliff can be penciled as the '10 starter at the position. 

3.  Cabrera is perhaps the only starting shortstop available via trade this July.  Once the Cardinals acquired Julio Lugo this week, a scarce shortstop became even more so.  The poor supply puts the A's in the driver's seat, making it all the more logical to shop Cabrera.

4. Four AL contenders are hard up for shortstop production right now.  As much as we at AN have collectively bemoaned Cabrera's performance this year, a quick glance around the AL at shortstop production really puts things in proper perspective.  The Mariners, Tigers, Twins, and Red Sox all have legitimate postseason aspirations...and yet they each have some serious woes at the glamour spot on the infield. 

Let's go through each of them, and also speculate as to whether Cabrera represents a good fit there:

#1: Red Sox.  I believe this to be Cabrera's most likely destination.  After all, he's done this before - the Sox acquired Cabrera in July five years ago and he was a key catalyst en route to Boston's 2004 World Series title.  The Sox can afford to take on his salary, they seem to prefer a veteran clubhouse, and they know that he's succeed under the pressure of Fenway once before.  Equally important, they have to be concerned about Jed Lowrie's very slow return from wrist problems and Nick Green's predictable regression over the past two months. The Red Sox were constructed this past offseason with a playoff roster in mind. Is this team willing to enter the postseason with Nick Green as it's starting shortstop? I say no.

#2:  Tigers.  Detroit has lost four of its past five games by the score of 2-1.  Yes, Adam Everett has helped them shore up their defense, but it's hard to ignore his anemic .167/.231/.222 slash line for July, especially given that he's never been a good hitter in the first place.  Jim Leyland is complaining about the offense in the media and, like Tony La Russa, he has more weight in front-office decision-making than the typical manager does.  He seems like the kind of manager who would appreciate Cabrera's personality and enthusiastically endorse the acquisition.  Another small factor here is Tigers owner Mike Illich - the Eddie Debartolo of MLB, who treats his franchise almost as a city philanthropy, willing to lose money in a desperate effort to win a title.  He'd take on the $1.5M left on O-Cab's salary, just like the Red Sox would.  

#3:  Mariners.  The Mariners traded away The Worst Starting Regular In The Major Leagues two weeks ago, sending shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt to the Royals. Now, Betancourt's Mariner replacement -  Ronny Cedeno - is looking to take the mantle from Betancourt for himself.  Cedeno's "hot stretch" in July has raised his season slash stats to .182/.232./318.  Amazingly, both these guys are better than the player they ultimately displaced - ex-Royals shortstop Tony Pena, Jr., who couldn't outhit Kate Moss's weight for KC this year (.098!) Stories like these make you feel infinitely better about what Cabrera has done this year, even if he hasn't met AN's lofty expectations and propelled the A's to a playoff contention. They also illustrate the league-wide dearth of capable two-way shortstops in MLB.  There isn't 30 of them in the world to go around.

#4:  Twins.  You've probably already read dfa's informative fanpost about a potential Cabrera-to-the-Twins trade, continuing an outstanding series of posts that dfa has done on potential A's trading partners.  I've intentionally listed the Twins last here, because of the four teams, I feel the Twins are the worst fit, albeit still a pretty good one.  The Twins are the least wealthy of the group, and I'm guessing they'd have the hardest time of the group swallowing Cabrera's salary.  But there's a bigger factor at work here - the Twins are the only one of these four teams that already has several million committed to a shortstop currently on their roster.  It's true, Nick Punto is hitting horrifically.  But he's also owed $6M in the next year and half.  And every indication is that the Twins love him and his headfirst-slide-into-firstbase-heart-filled-grindy-grit.  MLB teams don't often easily admit mistakes, especially with team leaders, and moving Punto off of short or benching him altogether would seemingly be an admission that their two-year deal was an egregious error.  Again, while this is perhaps the correct approach, it's just not one you often see teams make.  Teams are far more likely to supplant a cheap, unheralded underperformer (like Nick Green of the Red Sox) than the veteran player to whom they've already committed millions.

Final thought:

(Since every contender could seemingly always use another reliever, I'd like the A's to try and package Springer and/or Wuertz with Cabrera to get the best prospect available via trade.  But the Cabrera suitors are the key domino that needs to fall, the one that should dictate the action over the next week, because the A's are probably the only team offering an available productive shortstop to contenders.  Plenty of non-contending teams can offer a good reliever, making the A's position less strong on that front).

Now, here's where you come in:

Please vote in the poll above if you have not already.  In the comments, feel free to explain why you think Cabrera is headed to that team.  Do you agree that Cabrera's hot streak and the scarcity of available shortstops make him the A's player most likely to go next?  And for our prospect mavens:  who would you want back in a realistic deal from each of these four teams? Do the A's need to get a fringy, major-league ready C/C+ shortstop back in this deal, or are they fully ready to let Pennington sink or swim on his own?

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Which of the four logical O-Cab suitors is most likely to trade for him in the next week prior to the trading deadline?
Boston Red Sox
168 votes
Detroit Tigers
84 votes
Seattle Mariners
15 votes
Minnesota Twins
83 votes

350 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted Twins

But frankly, I don’t really care where he goes, I’d just like to see a return on him instead of watching him walk and get nothing.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 25, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Watching O-Cab walk? Yeah, right -- how often does that happen?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 25, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wuertz might give him a run for his $$$$

Angels offering Sean Rodriguez (supposedly)

If packaged together what would the Twinkies offer? Could Beane end up with the #12, 13 & 14 picks from last year and land Aaron Hicks? Highly doubtful but so was landing Wallace.
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The Sox I would love one of the Westmoreland, Kalish, Reddick. Again probably doubtful

by Bud Light on Jul 25, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Sean Rodriguez = do not want

I’d rather keep Wuertz than flip him to the slegnA for S-Rod.

It its slegnA, its Wood or no dice.

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by Blicks on Jul 25, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whats the deal with Rodriguez?

I don’t know a ton about him other then keeping track of his numbers over the last couple years, but he seems like he could be a pretty solid middle infielder and possibly someone who could take over at SS next year considering our internal opitions and the FA market this offseason. Is his defense good enough to stick at short for a few seasons?? If so, im not sure he wouldn’t be a good guy to give an extended look at. I’m also assuming that it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities for him to play some 3B, and even though we just nabbed Wallace, we could use some more depth at third. In his first AAA stint at 23 he ops’d 1.042 over 248 AB’s and this year at 24 he is at .282/.370/.613 good for a .983 OPS. He does K a lot so I have my doubts he can maintain that BA at the big league level, but he also has some good power and can take a walk. I also think its a good “sell high” opportunity for Wuertz, but only if we get an attractive package in return considering his contract situation. I think Wuertz is a solid reliever, but not as good as his current stats show.

by JPShark on Jul 25, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess, I'd have to say Red Sox.

I see the Twins bolstering the bullpen as opposed to the mIF problem, same with Tigers.

Pry away BPA in a trade and get it done Billy.

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by Blicks on Jul 25, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

The Angels

  Trade Cabrera and Weurtz to the Angels for Brandon Wood. Cabrera make sthe angels bench strong for the playoffs with him playing 2b and can sub in at SS. Weurtz is the key to the trade. The A’s get a young 3b.

by Arcman on Jul 25, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

The A's got a young 3b yesterday.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 25, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 25, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Junior.

Speaking of lies, Junior, let me tell you a little secret about Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and Grandma.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, technically grandpa.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wallace is not long term

  He is more of a firstbaseman. Wood would be a perfect fit at third. Trade will not happen because the Angels are afraid they might lose Figgins to free agency.

by Arcman on Jul 25, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do the Red Sox

Have to offer? what prospects might they part with for O-Cab?

by hishnik on Jul 25, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

If it was the Red Sox acquiring O-Cab alone

We’ll probably get lower level “lottery ticket” players.
I’m sorta fine with that if they are talented.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Jul 25, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Che-Hsuan Lin

A 20 year old in High A who plays CF. I like him.

They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!

by muffinpryde on Jul 25, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's him

Took home the MVP FWIW

They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!

by muffinpryde on Jul 25, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Scout message board mentioned two things that worry me

1. Cabrera left Boston on bad terms. I didn’t remember details but it does make kind of sense. He left Boston a hero who helped win a WS. He wasn’t a key contributor but the Fenway faithful recognized that OCab really helped them. And he replaced Nomar so expectations were high.

2. Cabrera (and his wife) likes Alameda. Beane often does cater to his player’s wishes when he can: the Hudson trade to Atl, Mulder to Stl both sent the pitchers to their preferred destination. And considering the Cabrera deal seemed to have gentlemen’s agreements all over it, I would not be surprised if Beane cannot trade Cabrera without his consent. And if he doesn’t like Boston, no trade could work. And if he really likes Oakland, he may not want to leave at all.

As much sense as it makes to the A’s to move Cabrera, I have a suspicion that the A’s will keep him. Call it a gut feeling. As for Wuertz, the amount of interest and Rodriguez rumors really surprise me. Wuertz’s 2.10 FIP is a full run less than his career low. Oh, and he’s also on pace for more innings than his career high.

Strange as it may seem, a deal including Wuertz and Cabrera may be packaging Cabrera with Wuertz and not the other way round. I would not at all be surprised to see Wuertz go.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jul 25, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Wuertz is a worthwhile guy to keep

I don’t think his success this year was a fluke. There is still a valid point that his price next year might be more than the A’s should be spending on any relief pitcher, but you want pitchers in your bullpen who will strike people out and Wuertz is that guy.

by colin on Jul 25, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Cabrera's going to go as a free agent, then he should get dealt somewhere.

Or a deal might just not be in the cards.

Problem is, I don’t know if he’s going to be looking at a salary increase on the free agent market (like he planned) with his full season performance. He’s overpaid now, at 4M, so it leaves me wondering if a scenario where he stays and gets re-signed by the A’s on a redo type deal is outlandish. I know it’s not as outlandish as I’d like.

Baseball isn't magic.

by rebus on Jul 25, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t get how OC is really overpaid… look at the stats on other guys, Renteria, J-Roll… so many SS’s are getting paid so much more and having rough years. CROSBY gets paid more to ride pine and sub! At least we have an everyday player for once. I don’t think 4mm for a guy with his credentials is overpaid even with an off year. I say extend OC and AK for one more and see what happens. I don’t think we can develop our young guys with no veteran guidance.

by sox1844 on Jul 25, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree he's not overpaid, especially in that

he has played in all but one game. However, his defensive skills are slipping fast at an age when a shortstop’s defense can really plummet from one year to the next, and I think the chance of a “Giambi-level nose dive” is real.

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by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

SHHHHHHHHH

Minnesota can hear you…

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Jul 25, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Smith reads AN

If he does, be afraid. Be very afraid.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

that it could be that his defense skills are slipping, but we don’t really know that. Its one off year, with a revolving infield, lots of guys who can’t make a pick at 1st…. I don’t really know if all his errors would have happened if we had a more solid infield. I think there’d be some other signs of a Giambi nose dive, such as injuries, soreness, etc. I hate that just because a guy is 34, (only 34!!) he’s considered ‘about to be done’ if he has an off year.

by sox1844 on Jul 25, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm not so worried about the # of errors

as I am how poor his range has been to his left. A lot of balls he used to get to, he doesn’t get to at all or he has to dive just to knock down. That’s a worrisome sign.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Statistically, according to WAR values, he's overpaid.

Barely above replacement so far this season, he’s at 0.2 WAR. 5M per 1.0 WAR is about the going rate, leaving Cabrera worth only about 1M in ‘true’ salary. I’m just reading this from Fangraphs.

The fact that worse deals are out there might be comforting, but it doesn’t mean the A’s are getting what they bargained for.

And Rollins is a silly example, since the Phillies will have in excess of 80M in surplus value from his time with the team overall.

Baseball isn't magic.

by rebus on Jul 26, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Help me out, here.

I’m surely no fan of O-Cab. I wasn’t in favor of the signing, and his recent hot streak is balanced by his horrid hitting earlier in the year. Even so, I was surprised to read that he’s only 0.2 WAR.

As I understand it, the concept of WAR is “wins above replacement”, and “replacement” is defined as what you could get out of a player who is essentially free because anyone has them in their AAA team or they’re unclaimed free agents floating around.

So who is an example of a freely available shortstop who is only 0.2 wins worse than O-Cab?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 26, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pennington could probably put up similar numbers

with better defense.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jul 26, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way Pennington will ever hit .270, though,

because the defense can employ 7 infielders and pitchers can throw him strikes all day — which brings the OBP down. Pennington’s at AAA because he’s a .220/.280/.320 line waiting to happen.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Julio Lugo, or, closer to home, Bobby Crosby.

Both had better ‘08s than Cabrera’s ’09.

Pennington could probably be as good as well, despite a low average.

Baseball isn't magic.

by rebus on Jul 26, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Giambi's or Kennedy's '02!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that the A's paid for one of Cabrera's worst seasons is just chance.

Of course, that chance is greater after a player enters their decline phase.

Baseball isn't magic.

by rebus on Jul 26, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait...

Crosby had a prime?

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 26, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, June 2005, remember?

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vaguely

All the shittiness has kinda blurred out anything he did that was exceptional.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 26, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note that Selig might not be allowing teams to announce their overslot signings

Green (and Stassi/Krol/Dyson) all fit into the overslot category.

Although I don’t think the parties are far in negotiations (Green is repped by Boras), they probably have started.

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by Blicks on Jul 25, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Holiday got traded?

I should read the internet rumors more often, I guess… ;)

by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 25, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Twins really want OC

mlbtraderumors:

Twins Eyeing A’s Orlando Cabrera
By Drew Silva [July 25 at 4:31pm CST]

According to Kelsie Smith with the St. Paul Pioneer Press, the Twins, and especially manager Ron Gardenhire, are interested in A’s shortstop Orlando Cabrera.
“I like Cabrera, yes,” Gardenhire said Saturday. “I’m not allowed to talk about players, but yes I like Cabrera. It’s a direct question. I can answer a direct question. I think he’s a great player.”

The Twins have been searching for a reliable shortstop since the offseason. Cabrera is piecing together an excellent July at the plate, and is now batting .274/.312/.362 overall with four home runs, 39 RBI and nine stolen bases. He has about $1.5MM remaining on his contract and is a free agent after this season.

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 25, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

You're damn right he's a great player, Gardy

So you should absolutely jawbone and armtwist that anonymous vanilla GM who succeeded Terry Ryan – somebody-or-other Smith, isn’t it? – into giving up Parmalee or maybe Ben Revere to get him. Those guys are just prospects who have proven nothing and may or may not ever pan out, whereas OCab is quite proven and, as you say, a great player.

by Faust on Jul 25, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assertive managers on other teams = Billy Beane's best friends

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 25, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Passive manager on his own team = Billy Beane's best man

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

qotm

tag team

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to be healthy enough to be activated off the DL first.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There will be some teams scouting him

at his Rehab assignment in stockton(?) tommorow

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Jul 25, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Duke

He’s probably going to be a August waiver candidate. Get something decent for him maybe.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

he would be a good hi-reward pick-up for another team to take a chance on for a run without giving up the farm

On the other hand, I’m not sure what the market will be for him but signing him to a cheap two-year extension with our payroll would be a nice gamble to take. If he stays healthy 75% of the year I would take what he gives either starting, reliving or as future deadline trade bait.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jul 26, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'd be worth much of anything.

Impending FA… just off long serious injury… injury-prone enough as it is. 1-2 rehab starts and a major league relief appearance or two wouldn’t exactly fill me with confidence. If I were a GM I wouldn’t give much more than an empty peanut bag for him.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 26, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Question/lament re: Pennington Audition

I’m all for giving Pennington a 50-game audition but who’s to say the A’s actually play him? They seem to be yanking the youngsters around, even the new guy the had come up to play CF. I still don’t get why they don’t just run the young guys out there. I mean is it possible they’ll hit worse than the veterans?

by Slappyfrog on Jul 25, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

What the A's should do...

and what they will do are not always the same.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 25, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was my thought also... Crosby will end up getting 80%+ of the remaining starts.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 26, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buster Olney was just on the local radio here in Southern Cal (8:30 pm)

and I missed the first part but he said that OCab will most likely be traded and they are just haggling over prospects.

I missed the team, I assume it’s Minny.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 25, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta be --

Boston’s not happening due to him leaving on bad terms (for whatever reason). Minnesota really wants him and that’s the #1 indicator of who will probably get him.

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by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Boston hates him

cuz he was NOMAHHSSS replacement

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Jul 25, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that's logical.

How DARE he?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Boston hates O-Cab because he replaced Nomar

then obviously what we need to do is trade Nomar to Boston.

I’m actually seriously in favor of that. I’d love to see us give him to Boston for a token prospect (ie, essentially for free), then let him retire there with all the fanfare he deserves.

As for O-Cab, I think Minnesota is a good fit. In the interview where he said he likes it in Alameda, he specifically said he’s a simple guy who enjoys a low-key clubhouse and minimal media frenzy. That sounds a lot more like Minnesota than Boston.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 25, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they sure liked that WS trophy.

I ain’t sympathetic.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 26, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think the twins get him, too

but the question is, what’s a realistic return for o-cab? he obviously fills an important need for them (and he might be the only SS on the market at that), and has been on fire lately. what kind of prospect does that net us in return? maybe a B-level guy?

by guy incognito on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

I’d like to think we’d get a B level for him. Chances are we get projectible C+ guys, or low minor arms with huge upside.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The B or B+ level prospects, according to Sickels,

are catcher Wilson Ramos (B), OFers Aaron Hicks (B+) and Ben Revere (B+).

Revere is touted as a “Kenny Lofton” type (drool) while Hicks is a right-handed hitter with some pop (drool). However, I doubt either could be had for O-Cab.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

who knows

i think its unlikely as well, but twins ownership might be under pressure to win, and o-cab definitely would help them in the AL central race. there is a lot of money to be made by getting to the postseason, especially for a small market team, so maybe they offer up one of these 3 prospects.

by guy incognito on Jul 25, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Throw in Weurtz and maybe we'd get Hicks or Revere

I emailed the MTR crew about Busters’ radio appearance, this is what they brought up.

11:36pm: I just swapped emails with ESPN’s Buster Olney, who recently discussed Cabrera and the Twins in a radio appearance. Olney says the Twins are “deep into talks and talking composition of a deal” with the A’s for O-Cab.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Wuertz plenty

But if Beane can pry loose Hicks or Revere for Wuertz and two months of OCab, I’ll be inclined to believe he actually does know how to practice Jedi mind control.

by Faust on Jul 26, 2009 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on Jul 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is no way we get Ramos Hicks or Revere unless more is included.

If we do ill stop writing trade diaries.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 25, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

C+ and a C is possible, and a good deal for the A's, in my opinion.

Remember that even B to B+ is a completely different tier, so there’s a large gulf in talent between B/C+.

Baseball isn't magic.

by rebus on Jul 26, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boston rumor being nailed in a coffin makes me cry

Some guy on MLBTR was saying Bowden + Lowrie was being discussed o_O

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is absoluteley no way

Boston gives up either Lowrie or Bowden for O-Cab let alone both of them

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some guy on MLBTR is an idiot

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 25, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

More likely some guy on MLBTR

was faithfully quoting some newspaper journalist who is an idiot.

(Or more likely still, Orodawg quoted a guy on MLTBR who quoted a newspaper journalist who quoted a source who said something about what the GMs are “discussing”, and the implication was slightly distorted at each step along the way.)

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 25, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aha, I stand corrected.

I found the Lowrie-Bowden mention. It was a guy in the comments at MLBTR. Yes, most of the commenters on MLBTR (as on most sports blogs) are indeed idiots.

The guy’s actual quote was:

There was talk about Bowden, Lowrie to A’s.

There was talk? Sure there was. Talk between you and your drunk buddies.

Here on AN there was talk about trading Bobby Crosby for Pujols.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 25, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here on AN there was talk about trading Bobby Crosby for Pujols.

Word. I talked about trading Dallas Braden for Justin Upton!

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 26, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I imagined a three way with zooey deschanel and emma watson

oh wait, we’re talking about baseball.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 26, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard the Cards are going to pay Pujols' remaining contract, too.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 26, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

There has been some chatter

That teams are inquiring about Zeigler…I wonder what kind of return we could get for him.

by hishnik on Jul 25, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Something similar to a Weurtz return I think

Not as good, but similar.

"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade

by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm confident in Beane's ability to net us some nice prospects

for O-Cab. I’m hoping for maybe Mulvey and/or Shooter Hunt. Hunt is pretty raw put his k rates have been solid; he has a lot of upside. Mulvey could provide us with some pitching depth and can work out of the bullpen or act as a fifth starter depending on injuries or Gio struggles next year.

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 25, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

he liked mulvey before

but they might want to keep him for now since they show the johan trade isnt a complete bust

considering the twins being aggressive in these talks, i would expect something decent

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 25, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Pretty raw" is quite the understatement

In 32.2 innings so far this year he’s struck out 26, which is OK but nothing special at low-A. He’s also walked 58. No that’s not a typo on my part – he’s walked fifty-eight batters in less than 33 innings.

by Faust on Jul 26, 2009 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he scores bonus points in the "cool name" department.

Surely one of the top ten.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 26, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

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