People Need To Relax! 2011 was always the Target!
by 0akFoSho on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 PM PDT
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People need to relax. This was always about 2011, and the A’s got more back for Holliday then they gave up. That is, if Wallace can lose a little weight to improve his range, and get coached up to stay at 3B. That is the key. The A’s have a BLACK HOLE at 3B in the organization, so if Wallace isnt the long term answer there, this deal is a LOSER and were in trouble cause Chavy is really done, even the last holdout must now admit that.
But, Ima say the A’s can do this, as Chavy was not a good defender until Ron Washington (still sorry he is not our manager instead of Geren) got a hold of him, so I think he will get the coaching he needs to stay at 3B. And that means…..
THE 2011 PROJECT IS STILL ALIVE!!!
Projected Lineup in 2011…..(best case scenario)
1. Weeks 2B
2. Sweeney CF
3. Wallace 3B
4. Carter 1B
5. Cust DH
6. Hairston LF
7. Doolittle RF
8. Green SS
9. Zukes C
Bench-OF Rajai & Cunningham, IF Patterson & Kennedy
I bat Zukes 9th to take some of the load off his legs over the course of the long season, as he likes to play everyday much like Kendall used too, and having a guy with decent speed and decent average in the 9 hole is a good thing.
Rotation (assuming Duke healthy and still an Athletic)
1. Anderson
2. Cahill
3. Braden
4. Inoa
5. Duke/Mazarro
LR-Mazarro/Gio
So, again, this was always about 2011 and beyond, and according to the current scenario, we are still looking GREAT and ON TARGET for 2011. By that time our young stud rotation will be ready to carry a young team to the postseason much like the former Big 3, and the hitting will get progressively better as the talent gains big league experience. In all honesty, playoffs in 2011 is totally doable, and a real shot at a title in 2012-15 if all goes well. Billy is looking for a 4-5 year window of playoff opportunity, and its looking like thats a real possibility now.
However, if Wallace isnt the answer at 3B, all this is put into limbo.
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Don’t forget about Brown in the outfield. Ton of upside
by bloodshot13 on Jul 24, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm plenty relaxed right now with getting Wallace
and I’m preparing to relax my self more a week from now.
In fact now that the strategy BB tried with Holliday worked, I wonder if BB is going to try and snag some other all-star stud for prospects/ players we don’t want/need in order to flip them for prospect studs in the positions we do want/need them. Say what you will about Wallace working out or not, but really good (B+/A-) 3b and SS prospects are very few and far between and all we can do is get the best one available which I am confident Wallace is.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Jul 24, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
Those that now appear to be out in the cold are…….
Barton
Buck
Cunningham
and an assortment of pitchers including, and I hate to say this, Braden or Duke, maybe even both….
I think Braden may be dealt as his value is as high as it will ever be and people need pitching. The rumor is Duke could be on the move if he pitches well in his rehab assignment, but its not like Billy to sell that low on a guy of Dukes talent. Thus, Braden will be dealt, and Duke will not be traded, rather he will be kept as the cornerstone vet of the rotation.
At least thats my bet…..
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 24, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke's gone after this season anyways...
Our rotation is going to be filled with young guys.
Wade Hines
by Wader on Jul 25, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must disagree......
Duke will be cheap, or at least relatively inexpensive, and his veteran presence is much needed in the rotation. He will remain an Athletic.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I'm wrong
I really do like Duke, but I just don’t see him sticking around…
Wade Hines
by Wader on Jul 25, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people need to relax?
It’s 2009 and this season utterly sucks. It’s great that the team might be good in two years. Right now, I have no plans to relax and every plan to hate losing now and to worry that half the guys you mention won’t pan out.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because getting yourself worked up over things you can't control serves no purpose?
Baseball isn't magic.
by rebus on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you can control it...
Matt Holliday didn’t hit that game tying home run on his own, you know. If we’d’a left him to his own devices, he would have struck out.
It was the combined will of A’s fans multiplied by the momentum of the situation that hit that home run ball. Holliday was just the vessel.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to Relax....
Cause Billy made it clear 2011 was the goal, and this year was a bonus if it happened to work. It didn’t, and Billy got more in return then he gave away to get Holliday, that is if Wallace can stay at 3B.
I keep saying that because, no position in the organization is in greater need than 3B.
Plus, I don’t want you to have a heart attack, the A’s need as many fans alive and well as they can get. ; {)
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you might want to reconsider being an A's fan
Pretty much every team with a low payroll and a good GM goes through these cycles of 1. Rebuilding 2. Adjustment 3. Contention 4. Repeat. It’s the way it goes.
Just saying…
by NateHST on Jul 25, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're all very aware of this
Nico included, but if you’re okay with losing then… I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t like watching us lose, do you? I’d prefer us to be in the World Series every year. Just because we’re rebuilding doesn’t mean people will take losing any easier. Wonder why nobody goes to watch the A’s? Because they suck, they’re not exciting. In two or so years, yeah maybe we’ll be on top of the world. However, losing isn’t what the fans come out to see. That’s not what I pay to see either. 2011 may be our year, but until then I’ll be excited about the prospects, I won’t be happy about the A’s play.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEGATIVE!!
PEOPLE DONT GO TO A’S GAMES CAUSE LEW WOLF IS A PANSEY @SS PRICK THAT DISRESPECTS HIS FAN BAS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS!
Wow, head rush….I just got really angry for no other reason than the thought of Lew Wolf. Hes such a prick.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...I never said anything about Lew Wolff
I actually applauded his push for contention this year. That said, I don’t like watching losers. It was a good gamble, and I don’t blame Billy or Lew. It’s the players who suck.
A’s fans don’t go to games because the A’s suck, not because of Lew Wolff.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why my brother and I canceled
our partial season tix when Lew stuck it to the fans before the season buddy. Us and many many others buddy. The fact that you presume to speak for us, disgruntled former season tix holders, is hilarious. There are message boards dedicated to season tix holders hating on Wolf. Try TKs blog or Fanhouse, or bleacherreport on any given week and there is bound to be the latest I HATE LEW stuff.
By the way, there is a difference between LOSERS, a la the Royals/Pirates and a rebuilding franchise in the depths of that process.
Sorry to burst your bubble buddy.
NEXT!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about season ticket holders
And frankly, I don’t really care. The casual fan will not come to watch a bad team : Fact. The A’s are a bad team this year : Fact.
Makes perfect sense to me, and Lew doesn’t really factor into this equation for me.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well, you are one person,
If you read any of the hate spewed on many a message board and blog about Lew you would see where I AND MANY MANY others are coming from. In fact, the fact that Lew Wolf doesn’t bother you is troubling if you are really passionate about the A’s IN The Town, and tells me all I need to know.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaa
Oh my, aren’t you the diehard. Listen, I’ve been an A’s fan for most of my life. I grew up with Giambi and Tejada and Chavez. The Big Three, the streak. I even attended the infamous sulk off game against the Angels. That said, I will fully support an owner who helps the A’s keep their stars long term. If that means moving them to the South Bay, so be it. However, I won’t sit here and watch small crowd after small crowd attend games at the Coliseum. I want the A’s to have the ability to be a midmarket team. Spending power is key in this world, and the A’s just don’t have it. If we ever want to have free agents that are better than whales beaching on our island to die, then we NEED a new stadium. It doesn’t matter if it’s in Oakland or in San Jose, or in freaking Portland. New stadium. Necessary.
I don’t really care if they play in Oakland, as long as it’s in the Bay Area I’m fine with it. I’m really glad that my opinions tell you all you need to know, because frankly my dear I don’t give a damn.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLASPHEMER!! HERETIC!!!
“It doesnt matter if its in Oakland or in SJ, or in Freaking Portland”
IT ABSOLUTELY MATTERS! Oakland has been $hit on for decades, by Shitty owners and politicians alike. The hardcore base IN OAKLAND deserves a new stadium, not the team FOOL!! Here we go again, another person trying to screw the small guy, blue collar fan in Oakland while also continuing to screw the local economy. Way to go BIG OWNER APOLOGIST!! Good to know where you stand you corporate lackey.
A new stadium must be “FIRST AND FOREMOST” for the benefit of the Oakland worker/economy, so ofet forgotten by the likes of you. Secondarily, a new stadium is for the organization.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ITS THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER IN OAKLAND!!
The team comes second in any stadium considerations
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Just wow.
Guess what, the A’s are a business. They are not the City of Oaklands money bitch. I know you’d love to think this, but the A’s have absolutely zero obligation to stay in the City of Oakland. I am well aware that Oakland sucks. I am well aware of the political corruption that has occurred there. However, a business reserves the right to do what is in the best interests of itself (Making money). So since Oakland has really just been a bad option for them lately, they can move anywhere they damn well please. Free Market Economy buddy, sorry.
The team never looked back after moving from Philadelphia, to Kansas City, to Oakland. It’s not the same thing you say? BS, it’s the exact same thing. This isn’t a matter of screwing the small guy. I understand trickle down economics, and I’m aware of the huge amount of revenue the city gets from the A’s and the people they bring into Oakland. Once again, the A’s have zero obligation to stay in Oakland. This limits the success of their business.
Not brain surgery. And before you scream heresy and that i’m an asshole and I should go die, and that I don’t have passion for this team, guess what? I love this team, and will until they die. I won’t mourn for collateral damage, because it’s out of their hands.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If the city of Oakland wanted to keep the A’s, they would’ve come up with a new ballpark solution years ago, especially after desecrating the Coliseum with that monument of foolishness and greed, Mount Davis.
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
by doctorK on Jul 25, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mount Davis = POLITICS
and has nothing to do with the A’s.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, and wrong (mostly wrong)
Mount Davis represents the City of Oakland and Alameda County rolling over for Al Davis, in order to lure him back after he had already taken the team away from Oakland. Also, Mount Davis represents the disdain that Oakland and Alameda County have for the A’s (their most faithful tenant), by taking what had been a ballpark with a nice view of the hills (not to mention the iceplant landscaping) and turning it into one of the ugliest parks in the majors.
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
by doctorK on Jul 26, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cant use Philly and KC as examples....
The A’s were not the only team in Philly at the time smart guy, as the Phillys have been there since the late 1800’s, and KC got a replacement in 69. MLB was moving West in these years, Much like Hockey has moved South and West in recent decades. It was clear expansion was the name of the game in this era. Oakland will not get a replacement smart guy.
These franchises have total obligation to Oakland, and the only reason they arent economically successful is shitty management since Tight wad cheapo Finleys time.
LEARN YOUR HISTORY BEFORE YOU DEBATE ME HOMIE!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're an idiot
So since they weren’t the only team in Philly means they had an excuse for leaving? San Francisco is less than 20 minutes away using BART. The A’s have totally legitimate reasons that they should move, and you’re totally discounting them.
Yes Oakland will probably not get an expansion team. Oh well, sorry to say it. These franchises have no obligation. None.
LEARN YOUR ECONOMICS BEFORE YOU DEBATE ME BRAH
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
MLB borderline wanted/pushed them to LEAVE PHILLY to EXPAND THE GAMES FAN BASE, and yes improve the ECONOMICS of the game. Do some reading/research please before you come back with more weak sauce.
Looks like the one in need of a class is you So Cal…. Surfs up Brah…. you just gave yourself away Angels Fan!!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well guess what
Oakland moving would be improving the economics of the game, since Oakland has shown not only that it’s not good for business. Oakland has shown unwillingness to help the A’s stay in town.
I’m sorry I didn’t know what MLB wanted/pushed the A’s to do in the 1900’s. The points are relatively invalid considering the current situation.
Also, I thought brah was synonymous with California. Oh well, you are obviously right since you are infallible. Gotta go catch the waves brah.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland is open for talks now......
the City Council and Dellums have both said as much recently. Wheres Lew thinking, San Jose. He’s a scum bag, and a $hitty owner. So again, do some actual research before making ridiculous statements.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was Oakland doing for 5-6 years then?
Or did you purposefully remove those years of indifference when they decided to co-operate when the A’s were serious about moving?
Seriously, come on m8
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 26, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, the same could be said of ownership.....
If Lew really wanted a stadium in Oakland, he could have gotten one. Instead he played hardball for years, all the while planning to move out of the city. Its the same thing that happened to Seattle and the Supersonics. Bought out by an owner that intends to move regardless.
SERIOUSLY! This is common knowledge, get with it buddy, and please please do some research.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 26, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's were looking for a new stadium since pre-Wolff
Schott and Hoffman were exploring options too.
“Please do some research too, buddy!”
You’re an idiot.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 26, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate trickle down anything.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jul 25, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially down the legs.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins seem to be doing a pretty good job of staying consistently competitive.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Jul 25, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2011 the target will be 2013
The target is always moving and the A’s never hit it
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
by Athletic on Jul 26, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY ISNT CARDENAS IN ANY OF YOUR LINEUPS?
RAGE
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry....
but I believe Cardenas will be dealt along with Barton, Buck, and Cunningham when Billy feels he can get good value for them. Pennington can play all positions except 3B, and Kennedy wants to stay in Oakland, and Its my bet Billy obliges him with a manageable contract that all sides can agree on.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 24, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... Brace yourself.
Not only is Cardenas one of the premier talents in the system, he’s one of the purest hitters. I can agree with you that Billy will package a few of Buck/Cunningham/Barton for someone BUT Cardenas is a far superior player than all of them. Billy has no need to trade Cardenas, because he’s part of the solution in the middle infield. To say that Pennington and FREAKING KENNEDY are your substitutes is just absolutely foolish. Kennedy has been a nice player for us this year, yes. HE’S HAVING A CAREER YEAR AT 34! That screams fluke, and his wOBA against lefties is hilariously bad. Pennington is a nice utility guy, nothing special. Good walks, but won’t be anything more than a utility guy.
So why am I calling you out? Because you’re putting someone in CF who is average to above average with mediocre routes WHO IS A SINGLES HITTER. He has shown a lack of power that Weeks has shown. So my suggestion of bumping Weeks to CF like was suggested when he was drafted gives us a lot more versatility and a better lineup period. Weeks has the athleticism to handle CF and I believe that he can have it nailed down by ’11. He has the hitting tools to be a DYNAMIC player at the top of the lineup, with the defensive capabilities of a great CF. So instead of a singles hitter with very little power, you have a CF with an above average bat with some pop.
Weeks – CF, Cardenas 2B is infinitely preferable to Weeks 2B, Sweeney CF, I don’t know why you’re set on trading one of the best hitting middle infield prospects in the minors, who is still only what? 21?
In summation, Cardenas good; Sweeney bad.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough....
You make a good argument for Cardenas, but you cant just throw Sweeney under the bus. He will break out, and he does have more power than Weeks. I am not buying Weeks as a better hitter than Sweeney in the end. And like I have said before, if Cardenas can play 3B then Wallace plays 1st, Carter DHs, and Cust is left out.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not believe....
Weeks will play CF over Sweeney and Cunningham and Rajai. Meaning if Cardenas wants to play he has to beat out Weeks at 2B or be good enough to force the A’s to move Wallace to 1st so he can play 3B and Carter DH.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a believer in Sweeney.
We’ve given him two entire ML seasons to show what he can do. He has shown a ability to hit singles and not much more. In fact, Sweeney NEVER showed any power throughout the minors. You can say this is because he was rushed, but there is no track record to suggest that he can offer power. The one thing this team NEEDS is the ability to hit the ball over the fence, consistently. Sweeney has not offered that, and he profiles as a 4th outfielder. You CANNOT assume that any player will break out. You will always have your duds. Remember Carlos Pena? He went through 4-5 teams before he broke out with the Rays. Remember Bobby Crosby? A mediocre rookie season, followed by injury. He is now public enemy number one on AN. I could go on and on, but what I’m trying to say is this. YOU CANNOT RELY ON A PLAYER TO DEVELOP POWER IF HE HAS NO TRACK RECORD OF POWER. Simply put, the A’s do NOT have enough time to wait for Sweeney to develop power. Some other team can take him on as a project.
Jemile Weeks has oodles more potential and talent than Swingles EVER had. Ryan Sweeney has hit 9 (NINE) home runs in his entire career. Jemile has hit 8. In the equivalent of one minor league season. After coming off of a hip problem. Jemile played CF and 2B in college. He has off the charts athleticism. Do you get what I’m saying yet? JEMILE WEEKS IS 110% BETTER THAN RYAN SWEENEY EVER WILL BE. Weeks can pull off CF as well as Sweeney can, if not better.
Furthermore, if you think that Rajai Freaking Davis will be a part of the next winning team you are delusional. He will be traded for bads/DFA’d before then. He has NO place on that roster, because he is less talented than everyone on it. The only reason he’s on the current roster is because he’s fast and can play a decent 5th outfielder role. He sucks.
I’ve already gone on about Sweeney. But Cunningham? You yourself said you don’t expect him to be around, and you don’t expect him to contribute. So why should Jemile have to beat out someone who isn’t here, hmmm? Everything I’ve read has said Cunnilingus won’t be able to handle CF and is basically relegated to a corner position. Everything I’ve read about Weeks is that he can pull off CF, most scouting reports agree.
In summation, again: You cannot expect Sweeney to turn a huge power corner. He hasn’t shown it. Weeks has already shown the power that Sweeney hasn’t, albeit at a lower level. (Sweeney never hit HR’s in the minors, so there you go) I go by track records, because they’re the best indication of future success. Weeks looks to be a far superior player than Sweeney. Period.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Sweeney would be a MASHER
just that he will hit for more power than Weeks. Add that to my argument that Cunningham and Raj would get a shot at CF long before Weeks, and Sweeney is our best CF option. Also I have stated repeatedly that the power will come from Carter 1B/DH, Wallace 3B/1B, Cust DH/RF, Hairston LF/CF, and Doolittle RF/1B. The trick is getting them all in the lineup together.
I respect your opinion, as you have based it in some fact, but we just have to agree to disagree. In the end, its apples and oranges anyway. The best players will play, and the others wont. We will see soon enough.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not apples and oranges.
It’s just a wrong opinion. Sweeney should be nothing more than a 4th outfielder on a good team. Sweeney does not have more power than Weeks, that’s just silly. Sweeney is not a dynamic top of the order hitter, he’s more of a 7 hole kind of guy. I’d prefer to get Cardenas and Weeks in the same lineup because that 1-2 punch is better than having Weeks – 5 people – Sweeney. “The best players will play” Sweeney is not one of our best players. Not even close. Weeks should be given every opportunity to play in CF, because Sweeney should not be allowed to block him. Period.
Weeks – Cardenas > Weeks _ Sweeney. End of story.
Cardenas and Weeks are both better hitters than Sweeney. End of story.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
talk to me about Weeks when he is still Mashing in AAA and the Bigs. Its easy to hit out FBs in the low minors! Any decent MLB player can do that, so again, this discussion will not be settled until late 2010 or 2011. Sweeney will mash.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk to me again when Sweeney hit home runs in the minors
OH WAIT HE DIDN’T
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
He hit 13 and 10 in AAA over two seasons as a 20-21 yr old. Not a monster, but not half bad either. He will develop to a CF that hits ~15-20 a season in his prime, which technically STARTS in 2011 age wise.
NEXT!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't guarantee he will hit 15-20 Home Runs a year
He’s hit 9 professionally in over a year and a half. Cool, he hit some HR’s in the IL over two years. Good for him.
His major league stats don’t profile him as a hitter, he has a singles hitters swing. If you modify his swing, maybe you see an uptick in power. But it’s not guaranteed.
So…
NEXT!
(Since you did it, I figured I could do it too. It’s all fair right?)
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is guaronteed...
but I could use that logic with Weeks to so, again, nothing will settle this argument but time and patience.
By all means…..
NEXT!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone down Ryan Sweeney so much?
I rather have a guy who hits for average than a power guy any day.
by xMattex on Jul 25, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then you will be stoked when your team gets shut out with runners on time after time.
by PL78 on Jul 25, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I seriously just read that?
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only care about OPS and HR. batting average is really over-rated.
by PL78 on Jul 26, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They hate......
because most fans are all about instant gratification when a prospect has as much potential as Sweeney. He is still young and will continue to improve. Billy gave up on Barton too quick and he is forever stunted. I think he is trying to avoid the same mistake with Sweeney.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind him if he had some OBP skills.
But it looks like he doesn’t..
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by travdog6 on Jul 25, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the future of the team....
Balances on a guy that hit .289 in the minors.
I weep for the future.
by fansince1980 on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He just got there in his 1st year as a pro......
so ABSOLUTELY!! However, I believe Carter will be the long term star that leads the team. Have you seen that guy? He is Massive. A Young Bug Hurt! OMG! Wallace is very key though as there is great need in the org at his position. The difference between Carter, and say, Dolittle at 1B is much less then the difference between Wallace and NO ONE at 3B. Carter will have a greater impact, but Wallace is key to the teams success.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 24, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping that Wallace/Carter = Braun/Fielder. At least at the plate in a few years. Probably not in 11' though...
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by kenntoe on Jul 25, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Kennedy's on the team in 2011
I’ll eat a big poo poo sandwich.
by Emmett89 on Jul 24, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He has indicated he would like to stay.....
And considering his impact with the youngsters and his cheap low value/high impact ratio as a utility veteran means a 2 year contract is not out of the question.
Emmett89 + Orodawg = 2 A’s fans and a cup in 2011! ROFL!!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think Marco Scutaro when you think Kennedy.....
Marcos impact was hugely underrated, and was deeply missed once he was traded, at least until Kennedy this season took over the role. Crosby cant fill the utility role like Kennedy and all his experience and versatility can.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between Kennedy and Scutaro?
Scutaro can play Short.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Jul 25, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a pinch.......
Scutaro could play short, and so can Kennedy, in a pinch.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Kennedy has played 2 innings at SS in his entire career
That’s 3,045 fewer than Marco Scutaro.
It’s also 7 fewer than Dwayne Murphy.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 25, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord man......
I said in a Pinch, not everyday, or even semi-regularly. You people want to argue about out utility guy of the future, go right ahead. Personally I wish we had kept Scutaro, cause hes the man and we miss his presence. Who knows who the utility guy will be, but its not really gonna matter if Carter, Doolittle, and Wallace dont work out as Middle of the order guys.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say.....
We will have Two A’s Fans and a Cup in 2011! ROFL
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read what you said
Comparing Scutaro’s ability to play SS with Kennedy’s is crazy. Scutaro is fully capable of being a regular, major-league SS, and has 3,000 innings at the position to prove it. Adam Kennedy has less major league experience as a SS than Nick Swisher has as a pitcher.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 25, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, you may have read it, but your still missing the point.....
I agree Scutaro is better than Kennedy at SS, BUT THEIR RELATIVE IMPACT as all around utility players with decent stick is still the same. Both veterans that CAN PLAY every position IF NECESSARY! Both veterans can hit off the bench. Thats it. Thats the only comparison I was making.
I wish we still had Scutaro but we dont, so AK is a good alternative. We will see if Billy proves me correct and brings AK back next season.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you need to read what you write
In a pinch…….
Scutaro could play short, and so can Kennedy, in a pinch.
That’s what you wrote. Scutaro has proven, in 3,000 major-league innings, that he can handle SS. He’s not a gold-glover there, but he’s fine over there. When Crosby went down, the team did fine with Scutaro at SS for a few months. Kennedy has played 2 innings there in his entire career. Any team that plans on plugging Kennedy in at SS for a few month is crazy. There’s no evidence whatsoever that he can handle the job. Arguing that their abilities to play SS are equivalent, or even remotely comparable, is, as I said, crazy.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 26, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll skip the sandwich but you're right about AK
I don’t see Cust and Duke there either and not all those prospects are going to make this team good in a year and a half. It is highly unlikely that every young guy will pan out.
by sirbed on Jul 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Jul 25, 2009 3:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way Ynoa is in the MLB rotation in 2011.
by wickethewok on Jul 25, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't even started throwing professionally
2012 at the earliest.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Admittedly, Felix Hernandez was 19 when he hit the majors, but Ynoa’s a separate case. I’m not saying there’s no possible way he’ll reach Oakland in 2011, but it’s extremely unlikely.
by danmerqury on Jul 25, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since, you know, he's already having arm issues.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 25, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you have to ask yourself.....
Who do you want to be the 5th man in the rotation, cause the top 4 spots are LOCKED with some combo of…..
Anderson, Cahill, Mazarro, Inoa.
If Duke can be signed again in the offseason, I keep him in the rotation as long as I can cause hes the man, and a great veteran presence for the young kids. However, if he leaves the A’s via trade this week, or at the end of the season, Then you have a 4 way battle in my view for the 5th spot in 2011 between Fautino De Los Santois (throwing in mid 90s after tommy john surgery), Gio Gonzales (Just DOMINATED the Yanks), Dallas Braden (I bet he’s traded this week at peak value), and Outman. Surte there may be two or three other names like Simmons, Eveland, or Marshall, but they are all definitely on the back burner for the moment.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like said above
Ynoa will NOT be major league ready by ‘11. He hasn’t even thrown a professional pitch yet. So if you figure he jumps 2 levels a year and he starts next year, that puts him at an entrance date of ’12 barring absolutely no setbacks.
’13 is the most realistic appearance for Ynoa.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless.....
Inoa gets in the rotation when he is ready, and LONG TERM, there is only one spot open, and that spot will have heated comp between FDLS, Braden, Gio, Outman, etc., unless Duke can be resigned, which I personally hope will happen
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well short term is important too
Anderson/Mazzaro/Cahill/Braden will be a strong core, Gio could become good as well. So you have your 5 for this year, and ‘10. Depending on performance they all might be worthy to stay in the rotation through ’11. If Outman comes back strong, if FDLS and Simmons are banging on the door you make room for them somehow. It’s a good problem to have. Our rotation is pretty much set, and is the least problematic part of our future teams.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden = 5th starter
If he is not traded, which is bound to happen considering Billys track record with pitchers at their peak value. I have no problem with Braden being the guy, but Billy wants value for him and folks are lining up to make offers once Halliday is dealt with. Once the Halliday card falls look for lesser pitchers like Braden to hit the trade market.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are clamoring to get Braden?
That’s a new one. I haven’t heard his name in any rumors. It’s been Cabrera, Weurtz, and Ziegler. We can’t afford to make a huge hole in our rotation this year, Braden has been our only consistent starter. I wouldn’t want to gut the rotation like that. Maybe in the offseason, but definitely not now.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when does Billy care about creating a HOLE
in the rotation with a trade. The whole argument here surounds VALUE, and when will Braden have more value than now. The answer is never. Maybe he will be traded in the offseason, but my bet is Billy does it again and trades him sooner rather than later.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be
The most idiotic trade Beane has ever pulled off. The reason why Bradens consistency is so important to the team is because the rookies alone cannot handle the huge workload being put on them this year. Moving Braden gets rid of our best pitcher this year, and creates another hole in the rotation that forces us to fill it with a total scrub. Beane would be an idiot to trade him.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The great thing about actually.......
putting myself out on a limb and betting which prospects will be traded, is that its real easy to see if im correct. We will know soon enough.
Also, Braden is at peak value, and is not in the LONG TERM plans for the A’s, and in Billy’s world, that means he is trade bait. This has been proved out over and over again throughout his tenure here in Oakland.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To boot
Duke will probably leave, but in ‘11 we’ll have some interesting guys up. Braden will stick I think, so he’s #4, then Gonzalez/FDLS/Outman/etc, whoever is actually good that year.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the 2006 ALCS, if Billy came out and said “hey we are gunna suck for the next FOUR years” would you be excited?
These are four years Im not going to get back. This sucks.
by PL78 on Jul 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think that was the plan....
Billy tried to hang on after 2006, but it just didnt work. In reality only 1 1/2 years were wasted, as the teams rebuilding direction has been clear for 2 seasons now.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lineup in 2011 better not look like that
There’s a lot of wishful thinking in that lineup about prospects who aren’t even in AAA. The pitching is fine, but the offense has a lot of potential holes well beyond Wallace. You’re expecting Sweeney to blossom, and five players currently in the minor leagues to be starters.
There needs to be something else coming in – veteran players and maybe a lucky draft pick or two this year – otherwise 2011 is going to be about 79W-83L.
by rovingralph on Jul 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree.....
Billy will bring in someone with a veteran presence and a decent bat, a la Big Hurt. Giambi was supposed to be that guy, Nomar & Cabrera too, but thats all down the tubes. I cant predict who he will bring in though so I just left it to whos in the system already.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, basically... your prediction is worthless.
Which is fine as it seems obvious you pulled much of it out of your ass anyway.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Jul 25, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worthless....
No. Just a check up to confiurm that we are still on track for 2011. That was the whole point of the article. Of course it wont all work out, for better or for worse, the way its laid out to now, things never do, but the point of the post still stands.
THE 2011 PROJECT IS STILL ALIVE!!!
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is to consider the Possible/Plausible at the moment
not predict the future exactly.
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by 0akFoSho on Jul 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 26, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pipe dreams are the sweetest kind
Here’s the thing about lists like this, in 2007 did anyone predict Nomar and Giambi at 1B or Kennedy at 2B or Cabrera at SS and a outfield with Hairston and Patterson in it. We all saw Bailey being the closer right?
Here’s my prediction for the 2011 lineup….who the hell knows. But hey it’s always fun to dream about what might be and I think what we all want is a team that wins.
by sirbed on Jul 25, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In '07....
Nomar was having a good season, Giambi was having a down year but was still decent, Kennedy was kinda meh. We would have been ecstatic to have know that we’d have O-Cab instead of Crosby, and have Holliday roaming the outfield.
If we had known this would happen then, I think we’d be happy. Suffice to say, we have no idea about the future.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN 2007 Zito Signed for $126 million
So Obviously, its easy to predict future sucess
by hishnik on Jul 25, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is so pointless
not to be a prick, but posts like this are so worthless. sirbed’s post says it all really. no way davis and kennedy are on the 2011 roster, much less ynoa (who supposedly would be 19 then). duke probably won’t be there either.
all of this aside and just focusing on the lineup you provided…really, suzuki 9th?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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