Matt Holliday Traded to Cardinals; Brett Wallace Comes Back to A's
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 9:37 AM PDT
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The Matt Holliday era in Oakland is over. OK so Matt Holliday wasn't exactly Ryan Langerhans. Or Michael Barrett in terms of his A's career. But it was pretty damn short.
But you have to love this deal if you're an A's fan. Brett Wallace is considered one of the best prospects in baseball, SB Nation's own John Sickels giving him an A- for a rating (and Sickels is notoriously stingy with his grades). The only knock on Wallace appear to be his defense, but almost everyone seems to think he's going to be a true cornerstone offensive player and sooner rather than later.
I'm guessing the more casual A's fans (are there any of those left?) might not understand why the A's would deal Holliday rather than trying to sign a bat like his to a long-term deal, I think this is a deal that makes a ton of sense for the A's because they're filling a desperate hole at the hot corner. And I think you can safely assume that Eric Chavez is likely done for good. So it took a lot of shuffling of assets (Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street and now Holliday) but the A's finally have what seems like a bona fide long-term answer for their woes on the left-side of the infield. Or at least half of the problem on that side. Now there's always the chance that Wallace might not work out, but I'm still pretty thrilled to be getting a player who appears like as much of a sure thing as you can get in a prospect. And it also gives the A's the opportunity to finally figure out what they actually have in their outfield. Like is Travis Buck for real or was his rookie year a fluke? Will Aaron Cunningham take another step forward?
Now one top prospect doesn't make the A's contenders, but it moves more in line with the young team progressing as they should. The key here is cost control as well. The A's weren't ready to have a guy like Holliday around for a while. And this way they're moving towards that great, young, cost-controlled team that they started building towards a couple of years ago. They clearly have the pitching and now they've addressed one part of the left side of the infield conundrum. They may still address the shortstop position with Orlando Cabrera being dealt as well, but it's been such a question mark for the A's for so long with the will he or won't he Eric Chavez question that it's nice to feel some great hope there.
This is a great deal for the A's and I'm excited to see Wallace don the green and gold.
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Wow.
A++. I’m glad they didn’t settle for Ludwick/Motte/Who Cares.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The question is will Wallace stick at 3B and if so for how long?
But if he hits like he is supposed to, it will be a good deal regardless because it won’t take much to outhit the status quo at 1B or LF. Now here’s hoping the +2 prospects are hidden gems.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"If he hits like he's supposed to"
You act like there is precedent for good hitters not hitting “like there supposed” to when they come here.
Oh.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Barton, D.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jul 24, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what god dammit? I'M SICK OF HEARING THIS BS ABOUT HIM NOT STICKING AT THIRD BASE
I have 2 words for you:
Ericchavez. Fieldingcoach.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have two hyphenated words for Wallace
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not fat though
He’s just got gargantuan legs.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not nice
says Landon Powell
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My legs hurt
says Landon Powell
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I have to post these again?
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Look, I hope he becomes a perennial All-Star, too, but the dude is fat for a professional athlete.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weebles wobble but they don't fall down
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, he's fat for an opera star
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering that these days,
we’re usually trailing by the middle of the National Anthem, it could only help.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs to go on a diet
and drop 20lbs.
Sure cannot hurt.
But who cares as long as he performs
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
by Trainman on Jul 24, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
truly
for $400k a year, I promise to get up every day at 6am, run 5 miles, eat spinach all day, and spend another 2 hrs in the gym hitting the weights.
If I can make that promise, I don’t see why some “athlete” (rather than this Comic-con nerd) do the same.
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 25, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. Pablo Sandoval is fat for a professional athlete.
David Wells was fat for a professional athlete.
Tony Gwynn was fat for a professional athlete.
The dude isn’t running track. He’s fielding grounders.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not fat for a baseball player though
We’re not selling jeans here.
:-)
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we're selling muumuus
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because of this
I went looking for pictures of a cow in a muumuu, and was absolutely shocked to NOT FIND A SINGLE ONE.
by oblique on Jul 24, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this one?
"Due to his undying devotion to the singular cause of winning, even at the cost of his own personal downfall, Jason Kendall is the greatest player to ever play the game of baseball." - The Chinese Onion
by CarGon's Jock on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New name....Notsellingmuumuus
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about BB3BM
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of that i am reading Moneyball for the first time, finally
Bad spellers of the world untie.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The butler did it...
oh, sorry, shouldn’t have said that!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since it's not true.
It was Jeremy Brown, with home plate, in the batting cages.
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lifetime .300 batting average, baby!
In two more years he’ll be eligible for the Cup Of Coffee Hall Of Fame!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just looks big-boned to me!
;-)
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
Pablo Sandoval is fat …. Cecil and Prince Fielder are fat ….
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's not a small sample!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pun intended?
lol
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fielders play(ed) 1st base
Pablo Sandoval is a 3B/1B.
Again, there are always outliers, like Muggsy Bogues being a great NBA point guartd at 5’3".
It’s hard for me to imagine that dropping those love handles would do harm to Wallace as a baseball player. And it might really help.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay but he's not playing centerfield.
He’s playing third base.
Third base requires WAY less range than basically anywhere but first base and catcher.
He’s huge. Sure. He might also be pretty quick. He’s apparently got a really good arm that will have no issue with third base.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that what he lacks is range
And while that is an important part of playing 3B, it’s not the only one. If his general quickness, hands, and arm are solid, he could be ok.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we know his legs and ass are solid.
HEY-O!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually use you as a barometer for his legs and ass
Wait, I don’t use your legs and ass as a barometer…that’s not quite the right word…for a paperweight, that’s it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you just grab my ass?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Maybe a little. Sorry, it’s just that papers were blowing everywhere.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda liked it.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God I wasn't the only one
Supple, yet ginormous.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's my big ass GRILL.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like grills
I only settle for boys when it’s a slow night.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to cover the foul territory in OAK
u need at least some decent speed
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 24, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'll be delighted if he can play 3B whatever he looks like
My concerns are based on many, many scouting reports (going back to before last year’s draft) that said he wasn’t likely to be able to handle 3B in the majors, and on seeing pictures of him.
Maybe it won’t matter that he’s fat, but he’s fat. And unlike a lineman in football, the fat doesn’t serve any real purpose.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, it blocks line drives!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it a ground-rule double if the ball gets lost in there?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
...and I finally have a new sig
Nick, you produce a QOTM once per day, at least. They are always appreciated.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gives me someone to look up to.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Third base requires WAY less range than basically anywhere but first base and catcher."
Not in Oakland.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
by scatterbrian on Jul 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm pretty sure that the middle infield and all 3 outfield spots still have to cover more ground.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't want him lifting weights or anything!
He’ll get all muscle bound and then will never be able to hit.
(And that’s the way it was in conventional baseball wisdom four short decades ago.)
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, just get him into Crossfit or P90X or something.
Shouldn’t really be that big of a deal.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not selling jeans here
and it’s a good thing, because that boy shops in the Huskies section at Kohl’s. 50 waist, 34 length. My goodness.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of this guy
Fuck you Bob Geren
by supermarc589 on Jul 24, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
I have a feeling we’re going to be seiing these until he starts producing…
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Just In:
Matt Holliday traded to St. Louis for the Pillsbury Doughboy.
Trade sounds good on paper but let’s remember that they are just prospects. We may end up having yet another Daric Barton in the organization.
by ATLDuck on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daric Barton still has a chance to be an above average major leaguer
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Barton, so I hope so, but he better wake up soon.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know several Wallace family members…they’re a) have huge legs and b) they are huge in general.
Brett needs to be careful…he was a lot thinner when he was 16 (weren’t we all).
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
by carp on Jul 24, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew we should have held out for Gromit.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick glance over at Viva El Birdos
They believe each of them will be serviceable Major Leaguers.
The Blez of VEB calls Mortenson, the guy with the “golden sinker.”
Pshh, silly birdy, that title belongs to Trevor Cahill!
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
At this point, I am very happy with this.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What about tomorrow?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I still will be
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sun will come up tomorrow.
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow
There’ll be sun.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKAY THAT WAS FUCKING EERIE
The cover of that song by Me First And The Gimme Gimmes was just playing when I read that.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pleased to read that you are a fan of Me First.
Blowin’ in the Wind is a great album.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you don't like Me First And The Gimme Gimmes, I hate you and find you stupid.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least we agree on something.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane is back.
Huge win.
The artist formerly known as HigherPie.
by vegAN ryAN on Jul 24, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really. He was at a soccer game and let his assistant swing the deal.
Beane is not back. He sucks and is completely uninterested. Or so I’ve read.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Billy Beane's assistant is back! Woo hoo!
And while Beane is completely uninterested, can we fire Best Man Bob?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually this is probably the best attribute of a good GM
There are so many moving parts to a good baseball operation that one person cannot actually run all of them. The ability to pick a good scouting director, assistant GMs, scouts and everybody else in the player development has far more to do with being a successful GM than anything else I can think of. Beane excels at that.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, but...
I was hoping to hold onto Holliday through the Red Sox series. It might be ugly out there now.
by oaklandcrazy on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure a four-game series in Boston is not all that important now
I mean, as far as this season goes it already wasn’t.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is to the team we're playing tonight. ;-)
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have to agree here....were you expecting to compete the second half?
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
expecting, praying...
offering my soul to the devil….
all such lose terms.
I'm the genius who said Chris Carter will slug .650 his rookie season.
by JamesCaprio on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we have Chavez, Nomar and Giambi!!!!
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Maybe Beane is a pretty good GM
Love the deal.
by BlueMoon on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
William Lamar Beane
We salute you. Fantastic deal.
So what does our future lineup look like now?
1B – Barton
2B – Weeks
3B – Cardenas
DH – Wallace
LF – Carter?
RF – Doolittle?
Or, if you dont mind Wallace at third, then move Adrian to 2nd, Jemile to center, and insert Buck or Cunningham.
It is a bit of a logjam.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
1B – Doolittle
2b – Cardenas
3b – Wallace
DH – Carter
CF- Weeks
LF – Cunningham/Hairston
RF – Sweeney/Buck
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks good to me
I love barton as much as the next guy, but there’s just no room for him, really, unless he magically turns into a good shortstop.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol i would love that.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You solved the shortstop problem with this lineup!
I like it.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha yup. just dont have one!
What is all this worry of SS? Pfft.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could skip the position in the lineup
it would be an upgrade
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a pefect world...
1B-Barton
2B-Cardenas
SS-Green
3B-Wallace
CF-Weeks
RF-Doolittle
DH-Carter
by faninphilly on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a big gaping hole
In left at the Coliseum.
But seriously, just add Buck or Cunningham (I love both, which makes it so hard) and that’s a great lineup.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Sweeney, he has shown me the most out of those three, power or not.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure OAH would love to have Buck inser..
um.. n/m
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, um, I'm not going there either :D
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or just tells me and acts mean about it.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And part of why I'm happy...
…is because all along, I wanted the A’s to get someone who had the potential to be a cornerstone at 3B. Wallace could be that guy and it’s worth seeing if he can develop into it.
I’m actually a little more interested in this team again.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, yep.
I kinda miss having that cornerstone you speak of at the hot corner.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Prayers answered.
by J Mack on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But
Didn’t Matt get a hit and make a nice throw last night?
Sigh.
OK, fine. Nice move, Senor Beane.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or, Nice move, Señor Guillermo Frijol
by Ray of Lite on Jul 24, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eso, tambien
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no
Guillermo Frijol is the porn actor. You mean Guillermo Frijole ;)
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Frijol doesn't have nice moves?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely pleased.
Wallace should at least be able to man 3rd base capably for the rest of this season and maybe in 2010 and into 2011, at which point Cardenas should be ready to roll. If he can keep on getting on-base and hitting for average and power, it won’t even be that big of a deal if he has to migrate over to 1st base by his 3rd or 4th year in the league. Plus he’s a local Bay Area guy & childhood A’s fan…it’s a nice fit.
That Beane was able to get two other decent prospects and ONLY pay $1.5 million of Holliday’s remaining salary is a huge coup.
With that cash coming off the books, you gotta think that Grant Green, Max Stassi and even Sam Dyson will fit into the A’s draft budget and will be signed and in the system in the next few weeks.
Huge boost for organization as a whole. I couldn’t be happier right now.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jul 24, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Wallace is going to be playing in the Majors much this year, if at all
Unless you’re talking about the Minor League level.
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Wallace is going to be in an A's uni this year?
I doubt that he’ll be more productive in the next few months in the majors than AK-47 will be. He struggled a lot in AAA earlier this year, and his overall numbers in Louisville don’t scream “YOU MUST PROMOTE ME RIGHT NOW!”
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Memphis, Louisville is Cincy)
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, my bad
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting pretty good at knowing affiliates ;-)
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not this year in the majors.
Just saying he should be able to play 3rd wherever he is this season and next maybe into 2011.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Hannahan is bummed.
Demoted to AAA in favor of Kennedy/Crosby then benched there in favor of the organization’s newest toy.
I’m guessing he could be moved in a minor deal.
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jul 24, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was traded a couple of weeks ago to the Mariners
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moved from Seattle where he was traded last week?
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super-bummed then because the M's stink!
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jul 24, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to climb back into my hole now . . .
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Hannahan is bummed that the A's got Wallace...
how do you think he feels about A’s fans not even noticing that he’s gone!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taj agree
If Wallace can be serviceable next year at third, it fills our need for a 1 year stop gap until someone like Cardenas is ready. At that point, if Wallace fails, we can move him to first or DH. If he succeeds… even better.
I’m not too worried as most about potential logjams at 1B, DH or 2B (in the scenario where Wallace is an ok 3B and Cardenas or Weeks is blocked by the other).
For Example, at 1B: How are we certain that Carter, Weeks, Wallace, Barton, Cardenas, Doolittle, Weeks et al, are all going to be successful everyday players. Barton was a top prospect, so was Carlos Gonzalez, and now they’re futures have become a little more clouded. I hope they all pan out so we have a dominant stretch, but that said, having such depth is good in case someone flames out (i.e. maybe Carter cannot hit high level pitching b/c he K’s too much).
And in the great situation where we have every prospect succeed, we can make a trade.
by echerrst on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course they might not all succeed
But we’re in a position where some might not be able to show what they’ve got
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd, every bit of it is so true
no way everyone pans out the way we all hope. Good to have flexibility and options.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld
seems to think this is a huge steal for the A’s, even stating that the other 2 seem “destined” for Major League careers. Whatever that’s worth, coming from them.
by J Mack on Jul 24, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sickels says one is probably a fourth outfielder
(how many of those do the A’s need?) and the other is an innings eater.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many more "4th" outfielders do we need?
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
by Gerard on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of them
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mom said it is an awesome deal
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see
Wallace on the big league club almost immediately. Although he hasn’t spent much time in AAA, he has proved that he can hit minor league pitching.
Maybe we could get a look at Mortensen if Gio has another implosion
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In fact
He was in the discussion to start at third for the Cards this year, after the news about Glaus
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not rush him
Wait for September, let him get a taste. The A’s have rushed guys at times a little too often recently I think.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha you're right
I just want to see some fresh faces on the A’s…get a taste for 2010+
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just think happy thoughts
about Buck in LF
by colin on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir...........................
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWEEET
This was awesome. STill stunned we got Wallace from the Cards. Plus 2 more seemingly good prospects.
First we got Haren and now Wallace. Man Beane should just ask the cards for their draft picks from now on.
Great move by the cards though. Their in the race, and HOlliday will surely bat better behind Albert. Thats a poison not a lot of pitchers will enjoy facing down the stretch.
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I asked at Viva El Birdos
Mortensen is basically nothign but a sinkerball. His best case scenario is Jake Westbrook, and nobody seems confident he’ll do that.
However, he’s got a fantastic nickname: The Golden Sinker
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only Jeremy Giambi had been known as
The Golden Slider.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if Eric Byrnes had been known as "Midas"
The Golden Touch.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if Miguel Tejada had been known as
The Golden Shut The Fuck Up And Keep Running God Dammit
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silence is golden...
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody
by day-to-day on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
May be a more appropriate nickname for Chavez...
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
giambi would have been out if he slid
that’s my opinion.
he was also safe as is.
by echerrst on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Dance
still being rocked
Bad spellers of the world untie.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 24, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So
you guys think Wallace goes to the River Cats for now?
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so, along with me going to work a few games soon and see how he looks
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he's going to Kane County
We really don’t want to rush him.
I mean c’mon guys, Chavez has 1 year on that contract AND an option. We’d be pulling a Plaxico if we didn’t pick it up!
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would you rearrange the River Cats infield for Wallace?
Everidge, Baisley and Patterson are all taking turns at 3B in Sacto. Would we call any of those guys up to give Wallace more room? He’s a big fellah, so I’d give him all the room he can get.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson has been called up, apparently
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Buck is amazed, resigned, crying, eating icecream from the carton
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he's upset, and that's understandible
but Patterson has been hitting great in AAA, too.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose Patterson could provide more IF depth options
If Patterson can actually start hitting in the majors, he’d be a guy you could insert into a Kennedy/Ocabs hole after a subsequent trade.
But still: Free Travis Buck.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Travis Buck?
Man, that promotion would fill the stadium pretty quick!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
OAH would probably shoot everybody trying to get in.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we make sure that douchebag lawyer is one of the guys who shows up?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but OAH shooting him would violate his civil rights as a white male
and in the subsequent lawsuit he’d sue all of AN.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention my cousins soon to be ex-wife
She served him with divorce papers on the day he was shipped back to Iraq. She had the papers for two weeks and waited until the day he shipped out, “so there would not be any drama”. Stupid dirty Ho!!!
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t like guns…would travis be there?
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t free him away from the a’s, free him from aaa to the a’s
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I officially HATE this trade
Signed, E. Chavez
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can think of 11 million reasons why he won't care.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Mike, he is going to recover and make a comeback next season!
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's feeling better than ever, I heard.
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the rehab is going great, he is throwing from 4 ft with no pain and hitting wiffle balls!
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a little pain, but still...
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of pain for Wallace, then?
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jul 24, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chavez will show up in the "best shape of his life" next spring
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still beats Wallace's shape, I suppose.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually thats the best of all worlds
if Chavez can keep Wallace in the minors for a month or two to save a year of control and keep him from being a super two.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 24, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...2 nostalgic months of "good Chavy"
before he officially dies. I like it.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez 2010 - The Bits and Pieces Tour
sponsered by Catholic Healthcare West
by bobnothing on Jul 24, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Chavez is still Plan A
As he should be.
It’s just that it’s extremely likely that the A’s will need to call upon Plan B (quite possibly for the whole year), and Plan B just got a whole lot better.
by Faust on Jul 24, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chavez should be plan C.
he should be a DH/PH at best until he can prove that he can play a month of games setback free and even then if he’s going to hold up our future at this point.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes not worth too much as a pure DH
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking Wallace to the River Kitties for about a month
unless AK gets traded?
by J Mack on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At a minimum
He shouldn’t be in the big leagues yet.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really want AK to be signed
he is our new marco scutaro, but (gasp!) maybe even better. shit, we could even probably stick him at SS for the rest of the season if cabrera gets traded.
by jlanning17 on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I like Kennedy! Kennedy for President!
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not better
scutaro is leading the league in pitches seen, and is a really good defensive player at a premium position
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
by SamYam on Jul 24, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro
Remains one of my favorite A’s of the last decade. I love the little guy, and I’ve become a Blue Jays fan entirely due to him.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur.
I still rock his Jersey shirt (that I bought during the game that he hit the walkoff against Rivera!)
That was the last game I made it to the Coli, and what a game..
I’ll forever miss Marco.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro is an A's legend...
well for the decade atleast. I loved that guy and he was always super clutch. He could play 7 positions and was just awesome. Still pissed we dealt him.
by LVElephant on Jul 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh, I'd just rather have Scutaro back and call it a day.
Ex-slegnA on my team makes me feel dirty.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Wallace from someone who Coached him:
"Here’s where you are missing the boat- Wallace will stay at 3B for a long time. He’s much more agile than you guys are giving him credit for and he has a plus arm for a third baseman. Weeks is 50-50 whether he will be an average big-leaguer. Wallace very easily could be a 30 HR guy who hits .300 and drives in 100 RBI every year.
The A’s scouts can’t admit it in person but they absolutely botched that pick last year. Beane was on the line with Wallace with three picks to go saying he was going to take him and then switched. This trade is better than 50-50 according to the people I’ve spoke to since last night. I know, sounds like crap, but I’m in the baseball world."
From Scout Board.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Ball coach?
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um the A's have said they would draft Wallace if they were to do it again.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Weeks appreciates that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it was after he cracked up his hip and Wallace lit the minors a fire last year.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did they really?
weeks is probably pissed, i would be.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly
They didn’t exactly come out and say, oh, we shouldve got Wallace, it was more like
when the draft comes, it’s impossible to predict who’s going to get hurt, etc, it’s easy with hindsight to say who we should have got, etc.
by bobnothing on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they didn't
You’re taking some huge liberties with paraphrasing.
by Faust on Jul 24, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shane Peterson and Clayton Mortensen
Peterson is a 21-year-old rightfielder OPS’ing .784 between single and double-A. He was drafted just last year in the 2nd round (59th overall) and this is his first full year in the minors. Not bad. Seems to be a fringe prospect?
Clayton Mortensen is a 6’4’’ 24 year old in Triple-A with an 84/34 K/BB ratio in 105 IP. Those numbers aren’t atrocious but he’s 24 so he’s losing time to make it the majors.
by WhatElse on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers mature at different rates
It often takes longer for a sinkerballer to harness his potential because he doesn’t just throw - he has to pitch. But still, I’d take Mortensen over Gio as the fifth starter, just because he ISN"T Gio.
by richwol1 on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely unscientific thought...
I just got a feeling that Clay Mortensen’s gonna be a pretty damn good pitcher.
Last time I got a feeling like that was when I thought that Holliday would hit a game tying homer right before the cable went out…
Y’all know how that one went.
Maybe I’ll be right, twice.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite parts of this deal...
Is that now, I don’t feel like the A’s are forced to sign a free agent third baseman from this group this off season:
Joe Crede (chronically injured, Boras client)
Adrian Beltre (coming off a serious injury, Boras client)
Chone Figgins (expensive, zero power)
Troy Glaus (chronically seriously injured)
There’s not a guy in that group without warts. Now, the A’s can eschew that group completely.
2010:
C Zooks
1b: Barton
2b: Ellis
SS: Pennington
3b: Wallace
OF: Sweeney/Buck/Cunningham/Hairston/Davis
DH: Cust
Reserve IF candidates: Petit, Patterson
I love it!!! At least we’ll get to see what all these guys can do.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love you just b/c you used the word "eschew" and used it correctly.
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
by JJ Martin on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When using big words,
you should always eschew carefully.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, intelligent conversation sprinkled with puns. No wonder I love this place!
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
by JJ Martin on Jul 24, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I can't add to the intelligent conversation, I do what I can.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought that it was a rule that NICO could never use Intelligent conversation on AN
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should hear me talk about Intelligent Design
I throw in some Dionetics vocabulary and it’s really quite inspiring.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gesundheit
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guilty high school English teacher
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I read about you
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not cool!
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
admittedly, I walked right into that one though
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was a sneeze
God Blez you
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget
Is Ellis signed to a 1-year deal with an option or a 2-year deal?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is signed for 5.5 mill in 2010 with a Club option for 6mill in 2011 with a .5 buyout
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Jul 24, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace and Cust
That’s a very large middle of the lineup
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by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this trade a lot
Of course, the rest of this season will be pretty much dreck without Holliday, but it was drecky anyway.
If Holliday doesn’t sign with the Cardinals this will be a devastating trade for them. I’d read that Holliday and his wife bought a house in Laguna Beach and that he really wants to play for the Angels next year. Reason enough to say buh-bye, good riddance.
by coffee roaster on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nice word- dreck.
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However
The Laguna thing was from an article from the OC Register. It was mostly conjecture, and the guy really liking Holliday. Yes, he did say he enjoyed Laguna Beach, but he never said anything about really wanting to play for the Angels.
Again, a Boras client, there’s no way he’d show his Cards right now…
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is just playing (for) the Cards (to which) he was dealt
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was pretty clever.
It certainly was no busch league pun intented for the birds.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a's scouts
along with beane must of been very determined to get Wallace. They must really like what they see in him beyond what the rest of the scouts think of him. That makes me think he’ll live up to his expectations even more. Finally some sweet prospects comming in to our club at the same time. Pennington, the three pitchers, Wallace, Zook, Barton (hope he turns it around), sweeney
bout time
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jul 24, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is probably an insane question,
but what’s the possibility that Barton could be moved to second? He seems pretty agile at first and could be a well above average 2d baseman. I imagine it’s a bit late in his career for such a transition though.
by humdinger on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Yes, it’s insane
2. The A’s already have Weeks and Cardenas, along with Ellis and even Patterson.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we could just petition to move second base close to Barton?
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get Maury Wills right on that!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True - it would just be moving from one
position of surplus to another. And it’s insane.
by humdinger on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Billy
I love you.
Signed, Orodawg
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB TV says the other two are
OF Shane Peterson and RHP Clayton Mortensen
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This teams gonna be exciting to watch
Come September
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats our OF gonna be now?
LF – Cust? Sweeney?
CF – Hairston
RF – Buck ?
-Dan
by ironliver on Jul 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing Hairston to LF, Davis in CF, Sweeney in RF for tonight
Until Buck gets here.
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by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to prove he can OPS at .1000 in AAA before he comes up
Isn’t that the requirement for players who get under managements’ skin?
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he has to OBP 1.000 in AAA
He really pissed Beane and Geren off.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beane and geren act like the mafia, don’t dare say a word against “the family”
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do you measure this deal by comparing these prospects
to Street, Gonzales and Smith (and 1/2 a year of so-so Holliday and his salary)? If so, how does it work out for us? I don’t know, just asking.
by humdinger on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big win for us
Wallace, Peterson, Mortensen>>>>Street, CarGon, Smith
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. The best player in that group of 6 is Huston Street.
I mean I know everybody here hates him, but the guy is 25 years old and currently has a 2.61 ERA IN COLORADO with 0.94 WHIP, 47 strikeouts in 41 innings, and 24 saves.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Bad spellers of the world untie.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time
He was the easiest to replace for the A’s. So I consider it a win.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expendable
We already have a shutdown bullpen. CarGon is toolsy and theres a decent chance he never reaches his potential. Plus we have a surplus of outfielders, and Hairston can man center for us for the next several years. You wouldn’t give away Street and CarGon for a premium hitting prospect with MONSTER potential and a reasonably good chance to reach it PLUS two other decent prospects?
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But expendable to us
doesn’t mean lesser trade value on the open market.
by humdinger on Jul 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny, because our shutdown bullpen still has Russ Springer and E-Gon in it.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we don't have a shutdown bullpen right now by any stretch of the imagination
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by Flashfire on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well by next year,
Demel/H-Rod/Breslow/Wuertz/Ziegler/Devine/Bailey. That is most definately a shut down bullpen.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If H-Rod can find the strike zone, sure.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Devine is healthy, H-Rod can throw strikes, and Demel keeps developing?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and no one is pointing out Breslow?
Really?
I mean, I know he had a good game last night, but him as an inclusion in a shut down bullpen?
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breslow
Solid lefty specialist, has shown the ability to get righties out. Only knock on him is his occasional control problem.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the occasional 21 BBs in 34 IP?
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Haha. But honestly, in the past few games, it appears as though his control is improving. Plus, he’s been much better with the A’s than he had been with the Twins. With the Twins: 14.1 IP, 11 BB’s. With the A’s: 24.1 IP, 10 BB’s. Although that’s still not a very good ratio with the A’s it is a vast improvement from earlier this year.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you look back to 2008
38.2 IP, 14 BB’s
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huston Street=Expendable
Ziggy, Devine, Bailey
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huston Street = expensive for the A's
Street-4.5 million
Zig, Dev, Bailey-1.5 mill total
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by OmahaHi on Jul 24, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devine will be back, and H-Rod is coming along with a 100 fastball
I would say the A’s have a lot of good talent in the bullpen now. Just think a few years ago when they traded for Rhodes the bullpen was crappy. Or at least there was no closer.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 24, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he isn't.
Huston Street will put less WAR in the final two seasons of his current deal than Wallace will in his first 6.5 cost-controlled seasons.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
As much as we love our prospects, he’s still a prospect.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah yeah yeah
but it’s nice we got one that is so close to ready.
He’s now the only thing we’ve got like that…
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think
that nsj’s claim should be that controversial. We’re comparing an everyday player to a relief pitcher. Even if Street is a true bullpen ace (I think there’s a good argument for that, even though he is a step down from the Marianos and Papelbons), it’s hard to accumulate WAR when you pitch only 60-70 innings.
by colin on Jul 24, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus,
Street was injury risk. I’m happy for him that he has been healthy this year, but it was good to deal him while he was healthy and he helped the team get a premier, healthy position player.
It’s not difficult to envision a scenario where the A’s held on to Huston Street, he got hurt, had to undergo TJ this year, and the A’s received absolutely nothing in return for him.
Instead, they now have healthy assets that have the next 6-8 years to bear fruit for them.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it -- it's not hard to envision a scenario where
A’s held on to _, he got hurt, had to undergo TJ this year, and the A’s received absolutely nothing in return for him.
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by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we gave up less, for a full year of Holliday.
And got back much more for 2 months of Holliday.
I think Beane pulled another fast one.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading it I feel like I should re-word it.
Yea, we gave up more TALENT to get Holliday. But in the long run, we wouldn’t have Street anyways, he is replaceable and Beane doesn’t sign closers to the type of money that Street will garner.
Cargon is immensely talented as well, but I think Wallace will be a better hitter at a position that we’ve needed to fill for it seems like forever. (based on comments, I think we agree that Wallace should stick at 3B, at least for a while.)
Smith seemed like a good sell high to me.
So, basically what I mean is that between those 6 players, I’d rather have the 3 we have now.
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm ecstatic at the fact Wallace is in the organization now.
But I was screaming at the top of my goddamn lungs to draft him instead of Weeks, anyway.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea seriosuly. BTW, I like the idea that you threw out somewhere earlier.
(Eric Chavez as a fielding coach.)
witty remark
by dtownmbrown on Jul 24, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, if we can't have the master,
at least we can have his star pupil and hope he becomes the master teacher.
I think that would be very fitting.
by jakebmill on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Eric back in a coaching role
I think it would be fitting.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has no leadership skills
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is some awesome analysis
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do what I can.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are basing on the players we unloaded
I really liked G. Smith and I thought he had a great year last year, and beyond his amazing pick-off m ove, I thought he had a ton of potential: but he has had a glass arm this year. His value has really faded away from his struggles this year. CarGon was dumped because the organization felt he would never learn 2 strike discipline, and Street was en-route to a T. Buck dog-house year for his behavior last year. It is a good trade for us, unless CarGon reaches his full potential, then it is more of a wash.
by hishnik on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now let's package Springer and Cabrera
and get a near major league ready player in return. Work your magic again, Billy!
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you settle for a near major league ready ball boy?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we need to get Buck back up...
…so we can have as many Sun Devils on the roster as possible. Somebody fast-track Petey Paramore already, dammit.
Ok, the last part was a joke, the Buck part not so much.
by train80 on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
from your mouth to beane’s / geren’s ears!
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picture from STL Board.
Billy Beane vs Dayton Moore
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 24, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Made me think of a nickname for the new guy
Brett “The Hitman” Wallace.
Eh?? Eh??
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LIKE THAT.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
AMAZING
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, we already picked his nickname a month ago
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you did
doesn’t look like it stuck though.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I had the foresight
to pre-nickname a prospect in another organization on the off-chance that the A’s managed to trade for him. I announced the nickname on a game-thread, and heard no objections.
I think that’s gotta count for something.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does deserve some props
but Flounder sounds like something the gnats announcers would come up with.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw, it'd be even lamer than that
Probably “Brettie” or “Wally”.
Attaching “ie” to the end of a player’s name and calling it a nickname=lame.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett "Braveheart" Wallace.
But only after he makes a spectacular diving catch into the stands for final out in a game against a rival.
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he kills thousand of Brittish
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I'd rather have a HITman than a Flounder
Lots of hits. No floundering in the minors or in the infield.
"I feel like I hit better when I'm playing the field...just feel more like a baseball player." —Jack Cust (or Derek Jeter for that matter)
by PortlandPachyderm on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was in the context of an "Animal House" reference
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Wikipedia
Another name for a Flounder is a Fluke.
Let us hope Wallace is no fluke.
"I feel like I hit better when I'm playing the field...just feel more like a baseball player." —Jack Cust (or Derek Jeter for that matter)
by PortlandPachyderm on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually known as
The Walrus
Goo goo g’joob
WordUpThome: I CANNOT BELIVE THAT THIS PRODUCT IS NOT BUTTER
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by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 24, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To have that nickname
you have to have HEART
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically, hart
but would grit work? cuz ak-47’s got loads, can probably loan some to The Hitman ;)
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards fans seem pretty pissed about this one
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by CarGon's Jock on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not all of them
Check here The truth is that they made the gamble that many teams in their position should. It’s like the Bradley for Ethier deal. Sometimes you just have to take a chance to win now if you think you have a shot.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Sometimes, Joel, you've just got to say, "What the f**k?"
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but it's a risky business!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stepped away.
What did I miss?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I made this, Enjoy
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wallace and the draft.
I’m sorry, but I cannot recall (and am too lazy to check), did the A’s pass on him with the 12th pick last in 2008, or am I thinking of someone else?
by Pucking Insane on Jul 24, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of.
Ynoa was going to cost us a lot, Weeks was signed for underslot.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks signed for more than Wallace.
Weeks: 1.91MM
Wallace: 1.84 MM
It had nothing to do with money.
Had Weeks not had that injury last year, I’d be willing to bet he’s the better prospect than Wallace.
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by Blicks on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes.
I just read somewhere that BLB thought we needed a MI prospect, too.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle infielders with power are very very hard to find.
Honestly, if Jemile didn’t get hurt, he’d probably be one of the 10 best mIF prospects in the game right now. Behind probably only both Beckhams, Escobar, Coghlan (maybe), Wood, Andrus, and maybe a couple others.
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by Blicks on Jul 24, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 HR in 42 games with a .509 SLG in A+ ball this year
A much, much lower level than Wallace is at, but very impressive for a MI after missing almost all of last season to that hip injury.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Cardenas
He’s a pretty studly middle infield prospect, or so I’ve heard.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not forgetting him
but Blicks and nova are discussing the 08 draft, thus the Weeks/Wallace stuff.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks hasn't hit one in forver, though
And most of the ones he did it were wall-scrapers.
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 24, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Hey, at least we can say with the 12.5th pick in the ’08 draft we selected Jemile Wallace, the 2B/3B From the University of Mizona
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2B/3B/CF
because if Wallace works out at 3B (which I have my doubts about, but we’ll see) then Cardenas goes to 2B and Wallace goes to CF.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Wallace can handle 3B *and* CF
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can just split him in half....his thighs are about two peoples put together...
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that BALCO has a new vitamin supplement...
…that can do that!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace in CF, thats a disaster waiting to happen!!!
lol we know you meant weeks
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, interestingly, is exactly how long it would take Wallace
to run down a fly ball in CF.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are having a very good morning so far Nico
I’m enjoying it. :)
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait until he starts drinking.
Oh, he has? Never mind.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bboth the 76MARQUEZs needto ss-stop thiss.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only did you just call me fat
but you increased my age by nine years.
Call me.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-900-MY-DADDY?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no no...
you people already did the ageplay stuff on yesterday’s rain delay thread…
Today, we’re supposed to be doing zentai bondage jokes!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you mean Mizona State
WordUpThome: I CANNOT BELIVE THAT THIS PRODUCT IS NOT BUTTER
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
grabbed Weeks #12 … Wallace went right after, I believe.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Smoak went #11
DAMMIT.
Now we need to trade with the Rangers.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
I was pissed that he was SO close to falling to us again.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How done is this deal?
It seems so, but I’m not sure
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's done.
Donedonedone
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
any links?
i love this one personally… after some stinkers beane is pulling some fast ones
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn.com, mlbtraderumors.com, mlb.com
It’s everywhere.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay must have just gone up
thanks!
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, well apparently everyone else likes this
Erik Manning of FanGraphs says the A’s are big winners for acquiring Brett Wallace. Jon Heyman calls it a “great deal” for the A’s and Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus calls it an “outstanding” trade for Oakland.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this trade.
"Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is." -Bob Feller
by Christine on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So Basically...
Haren and Street
for
Brett Anderson, Brett Wallace, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland (not that he should even be mentioned at this point).
God I love Billy Beane
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh and
Mortensen and Peterson
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four Calling Birds, Three French Hens, Two Turtle Doves...
…and a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad deal.
The calling birds are just fourth outfielders, and how many of those do we need anyway? The french hens are overrated by all the traditional metrics, and are likely to really just be turkeys. The turtle doves are just going to clog up the base paths. And Beane’s likely to just flip the partridge for two lords a leaping and a drummer drumming.
by oblique on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok -- we can flip the turtle doves
That way they brown on both sides. Mmmmm…turtle doves.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally, those hens are *french*
When has a frenchman ever made it in the bigs?
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suzuki?
wait, what are we talking about?
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bert Blyleven was from the Netherlands...
Is that close enough?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is where Baseball-Reference.Com is lacking.
I went there to find foreign players, but got no kind of search.
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Ed Porray is awesome.
And to answer the question from earlier….
Name Yrs From To Birthdate Debut Birthplace Bruce Bochy 9 1978 1987 Apr 16, 1955 Jul 19, 1978 Landes De Bussac Ed Gagnier 2 1914 1915 Apr 16, 1882 Apr 14, 1914 Paris Claude Gouzzie 1 1903 1903 1873 Jul 22, 1903 Steve Jeltz 8 1983 1990 May 28, 1959 Jul 17, 1983 Paris Charlie Lea 7 1980 1988 Dec 25, 1956 Jun 12, 1980 Orleans Duke Markell 1 1951 1951 Aug 17, 1923 Sep 6, 1951 Paris Larry Ressler 1 1875 1875 Aug 10, 1848 Apr 26, 1875 Joe Woerlin 1 1895 1895 Oct 9, 1864 Jul 21, 1895 Trenheim
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eveland isn't likely to be a major leaguer after his brutality on the mound
so that’s one out
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can somebody add to and re-post the flow chart of trades that started with mulder?
i think it got posted in the off-season after the holliday trade. it was a nice summary of the shuffles over the last few years.
by jlanning17 on Jul 24, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging AN user fox...
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011 3-4-5 hitters:
Wallace, Carter, Cust. That is one large middle of the order that should strike fear into every pitcher
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Throw a Doolittle/Cardenas/Weeks around those three
That looks like a pretty freaking good lineup.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should certainly strike fear in Bob Alejo.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shush you.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's all this talk
about the future?
{scratches head. continues eating salad. stares blankly}
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then where's Giambi hitting?
Leadoff?
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still playing baseball?
I woulda thought he’d be hitting the bars.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Greater N. Y. Retirement Community Softball league
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SF Rec Center Sloshball League
Keg at 2nd, anyone?
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slusser just posted some interested tidbits on the Drumbeat blog
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From Susan Slusser's "source"
*Oakland is nearly as excited about outfielder Shane Peterson as Wallace. Peterson is described as a “Bobby Higginson” type. The A’s believe Wallace and Peterson are a better return for Holliday than two draft picks, and the A’s also get right-hander Clayton Mortenson
.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=44224#ixzz0MCUmuYRT
They like 2 C+ prospects better than a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But that's the art of scouting.
If the A’s scouts believe Peterson has been vastly underrated, those are the guys that make for great deals. Mark Ellis was like this.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most surprising part of the article
Brett Wallace is “pumped” about this trade. First hitter ever to be excited about being traded to Oakland.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
by FrankCohen on Jul 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a lot of pro-Oakland enthusiasm going on today
Brett Wallace excited to come here, after learning Adam Kennedy loves it here? Odd.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't
he from Napa?
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 24, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have got to love the local kid
I saw him in H. S.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see he is coming home to Ca and 3B is his for the taking.. Yes, good deal for Wallace
The starting pitching next year will be better with a year under their belts and then Wallace and Hairston, Buck, etc it should be a fun year in 2010
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we just need to convert Cahill, Anderson, and Mazzaro to fly ball pitchers and we're set!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cahill gets his fair share of flyballs
It’s just they’re hit too far to be caught.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Wallace was a big fan of Chavvy.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now let trade O Cab and get the ship going
WE all have been waiting for the Holliday trade and it has been looming over AN and the actually oakland A’s player. Now that Holliday is gone and O Cab should be next, we can concentrate on team chemistry and turning this in a great team once again
by ryanmoser on Jul 24, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota, we're talking to you here!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see
I think people are going a little crazy here. With prospects you never know and I have a couple of questions about Wallace. One – Everything I’m reading says his defense isn’t Major quality and he’ll have to move to 1B. Two – Have those photos been played with in anyway or is he that much of a load? If he’s that fat at 23 that is not a good sign.
I hope the trade works but have the A’s really solved their problem at 3B? I don’t know.
by sirbed on Jul 24, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't look good for Barton...
Wallace looks like he could be something between left-handed Youkilis (minus the D) and Giambi, who also was drafted as a 3B and didn’t last long there.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
by scatterbrian on Jul 24, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of Eric Hinske
Then Ty Wiggington. Then I got less optimistic about Wallace sticking at 3B. Panda!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Piggly Wiggly Wiggy!
the foul territory in Oakland is what’s making me think he won’t stick at third.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
by scatterbrian on Jul 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
This is really awesome. If Wallace turns out to be the real deal at 3rd, maybe we can get some sweet prospects for him in 3 years!
I am gettin’ excited about 2015! Anyone out there been scouting the junior high kids got any good news for us A’s fans?
by juanmiguel on Jul 24, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
Why the sarcasm, though?
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Why the sarcasm…everyone around baseball loves this trade for the A’s.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
trades are just a part of the game. Holliday was brought in for one reason: to turn over for a piece we need. We are a small market team and since we cannot buy players we have to trade for them.
Great trade!
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, I don't want to state juanmiguel's case for him
but I can imagine being frustrated with our best player being traded. Again.
Thing is, though, this team wasn’t going anywhere. If your loyalties live and die with the player, then it’s tough. But if you understand that the TEAM made the move so that they won’t keep being sucktacular in two years, then it’s a cause to celebrate imo.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, JM...
learn to root for the laundry, dude. That’s what it’s all about!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a bad mood
I was out in manhattan last night with a bunch of yankees yahoos. They convinced me that “it’s not the yankees fault” that they spend the kind of dough that makes it impossible for smaller teams to ever keep good players. They convinced me that it’s just a product of the market economy. But what I realized is that even though they follow their farm hands, what they care most about is the product on the field. They love the product on the field.
It’s just gotten to the point where A’s fans seem to get more excited about some prospect on someone else’s team that we can make a trade for rather than the product on the field. And this might be a great trade, but really…what’s the best we can hope for? That these guys become good while in oakland and we can turn them into more prospects. And then someone will say, well, it IS a business above all. I actually thought it was baseball above all, but whatever. I guess we just have to cheer for the next exciting prospect then.
It’s just that if it’s just about the moves and the business aspect of it. I don’t know how interesting that is. Take another product that I love: Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal. I love the product, I love to eat it. But if you offered me a chance to sit in on the board meeting…well I don’t think I would love it. You see what I’m saying. I’m not in the mood to get all excited for more prospects today that if they give us something to cheer about will surely be gone tomorrow and if they don’t we can talk about what a bad trade it was later. Either way we’re just disappointed.
Sorry to be a drag. I went out drinking with Yankee fans when the A’s were in town. It wasn’t a good idea.
by juanmiguel on Jul 24, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no, you raise a very interesting point
it does seem like the end product on the field is something, at times, we don’t acknowledge enough as a fan base. Our team is playing like crap – plain and simple. We are going to be a top 5 draft team next year most likely, which is not something to be excited about. HOWEVER, the only way to CHANGE that is to, you know, either sign players, trade for them or develop them. Wallets aside, the most economically efficient way to do this is to bring along prospects. The A’s now have a bunch of players in the minors that we’ll start seeing get called up in waves (which has already begun with Anderson, Cahill, Mazzaro, Gio, Bailey and Outman) who will grow into a team together and, ideally, help us win. And there’s no way they will be traded for prospects if the plan goes as…planned.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
serious?
Yes, those young pitchers are exciting. But the absolute best case scenario is that they all turn into stud arms and that somehow, someway we manage to sign two of them beyond their 25th birthday. That’s the best case.
I don’t think Beane will be able to sign Swisher/Haren type extensions ever again since it seems like those players signed those deals in order to be part of a certain team and then…well…
But maybe we can get a bunch of prospects for some of the ones that we know we can’t sign if we can manage to trade them at just the right time. Oh boy!
by juanmiguel on Jul 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're up in 2k9
They’re FA in 2015. Earliest they get traded is 2013, 2014 which most likely won’t happen unless it’s a building effort.
by noava22 on Jul 24, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, if we can get a new revenue source, i.e. new stadium
then we’ll be able to hold onto at least some of them.
by LoneStranger on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright
well, if you’re telling me that we will definitely be able to keep all of these pitchers if all of them turn out to be awesome as long as we’re winning, then maybe I won’t feel like it’s pointless to be a baseball fan anymore.
thanks.
by juanmiguel on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB = market forces? Hah!
If there were a “free market” as opposed to a legally-supported corporate conspiracy/trust, there would be 4 or 5 major league teams in NYC. Look at how many top-flight football teams are in London alone.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I brought that up
I said, well there should be a team in Brooklyn.
They were all, “what do I care if there’s a team in Brooklyn?” and when I suggested that that might take away from the yankees revenue they all said, “bring it on, we’ll kick their ass!”
by juanmiguel on Jul 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
London ≠ New York
14% of the entire population of the UK lives in London.
New York would need a population of almost 43 million to be as large relative to the U.S. population.
That being said, you’re of course 100% right that the structure of MLB does not remotely approximate a free market.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually underestimated London's relative size
Since the Premiere League only covers England, what’s relevant is not that London is 14% of the population of the UK, but rather that it’s 16.7% of the population of England.
So New York would need 51 million residents to qualify as equally large relative to the U.S.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However you estimated the food, you overestimated it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another reason that the Wallace acquisition is so brilliant!
However the A’s estimated the food, their overestimation is now likely smaller.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
England plus Swansea and Cardiff, which are grandfathered into the English FA
But I’m not sure relative size is the issue, necessarily. The fact is that London can support a huge number of successful, high quality professional clubs. That’s due to its absolute size, not its relative size, I think.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it.
Not just athletes, Athletics.
by Wiers103 on Jul 24, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even money its Patterson that gets the call and not Buck
by bababooey on Jul 24, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you know something we don't?
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a 4th OF
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
If that is the case I can’t argue the move right now.
I love Buck but Patterson truly deserves another shot right now…
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by stranahanahan on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tend to agree with you
But the case of “Travis Buck” continues to mystify me with this organization.
by bababooey on Jul 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Cunningham?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess we are not going to pick up Giambi's option for 2010????
Re-sign Crosby to play SS and Chavez can play 1B next season!!!!
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol from Fangraphs
There’s just not a great comparison I could come up with for Wallace. He’s not the Greek God of Walks, maybe the Scottish God of Hit By Pitches. – Erik Manning
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I work in an office in Oakland
what are all the men talking about? Football and the Raiders. What’s the world coming to? Leave it to the girl to be excited about baseball…
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why we love you
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got your back
(looks around for ZF)
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinky
{call me}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-800-SPANK-ME?
credit card needed?
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ow -- it would hurt to be spanked with a credit card.
{call me. NOW.}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried the number you gave me and got some chick in Taiwan. She did not speak english to well and wanted me to do WHAT with her donkey?
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{drops Taiwanese accent}
“Send in the mail.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
credit card spankings and donkeys...
nice work.
However, remember, today’s topic is Zentai Bondage.
I’ll start.
I had Brett Wallace all zipped up in the Zentai suit, but realized my four foot long leather straps were not long enough to get around his huge ice skater’s thighs and had to settle for a rope harness.
See, it’s not that hard.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, it's not that hard
It looks more wobbly and flabby.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great now I have to get drunk to get that image out of my head
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders?
Nothing to talk about. Football, sure, but until Al D shuffles off his mortal coil, the only thing happening in Oakland is losses.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 24, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just told them off hehe told them they should be talking baseball, it’s july
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you going to AN day?
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure if i’ll be around that weekend so i’m not going to get a ticket but if i am i want to go to the tailgate
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool hope to see you there
I want to put a face to the dirty talk…lol
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, i’ll leave the bf at home, besides, he’s more of a basketball fan
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happens on AN stays on AN
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
{and Nico's MySpace page, and Yahoo Headlines}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
July is sort of like Spring Training for football fans. Real football is just ’round the corner. Not that I would ever try to inject pigskin talk into a thread of this nature.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited about football.
I think Brett Wallace is a heck of a linebacker, and he might be what the Raiders need to get them back to .500 in a weak division.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave it to a boy to be excited about this girl
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
lots of men (clearly!) get excited about baseball. what kind of office do you work in?
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWIH
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
by Trainman on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they suck
just hang out with us here
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the internet amazing that way?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till AN day
I’m not sure why, jus twait.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should i wear the buck t-shirt converted to a halter? i have to figure out how to do it first
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes please
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really even need to ask?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sunburn easily so it might have to be covered up for most of the game, sorry
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the part where a bunch of the leghumpers offer to rub suntan lotion on you.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*I* wasn't offering
I’m a gentleman. A fucking classy one, at that.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn straight
beer. baseball. steak. porn. yes.
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THat reminded me
of the Team America World Police song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
beat you to it mikev
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're trying too hard.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
twss
really, mikev, we can go all night with this
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some day we need to have a thread that's entirely made up of "twss"
maybe that would finally kill it off.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to join it,
just as soon as someone tells me what the hell it means!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Prospects..."
That’s what the headline on Yahoo says: “Holliday traded to St. Louis for prospects.” Prospects! Billy Beane really loves those prospects. This team is always in a “rebuidling” mode. It’s tedious.
by gregorymark on Jul 24, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wallace is highly regarded
Roy Steele is the voice of God
by cuppingmaster on Jul 24, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, having Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill and Andrew Bailey and Vin Mazzaro has been really, really tedious this year
It’s been much more fun watching Nomar and Giambi and Cabrera.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
vin
do you think he would be a more effective bullpen pitcher?
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
noway.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs to learn how to get out of jams
when he does watch out
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. That should never be experimented with.
Young pitchers aren’t going to immediately know how to get MLB hitters out. Huge, huge adjustment.
><
by Blicks on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too early to tell, IMHO
He was a very successful starter in the minors — no reason to give up on him as a starter in the majors yet, and it’s not like the A’s don’t have bullpen prospects (and good RH relievers in the majors).
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok just thought i'd ask
he seemed pretty effective and strong at first so i thought that would be good for a reliever
by OakA'sHoney on Jul 24, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just because he throws gas and he's got good stuff.
He’s super young still. Needs to learn how to pitch and not just throw, that way when hitters adjust the 2nd or 3rd time they see him in a game, he’s ready.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was nasty
The first few innings
He looked just about untouchable. Hitting corners at the knees with mid 90’s fastballs and a terrific slider.
Than he ran into trouble falling behind and the 3-0 home run seemed to be the end of it
Last night really excited me about his potential, though. The stat line looks ugly in the end, but watching the game, he looked awesome overall.
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson
by BillMoresi on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be patient with Mazz
He is learning on the job and is going to be a STUD!
"Paul Thomas is breaking something somewhere" ~jeepers
by OptimistPrime on Jul 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 24, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heck yeah.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 24, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I wonder what kind of prospects we could get for Brett Anderson right now?
I bet THAT would be a great haul!
by broaklyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two of the most fun baseball days of the year close together...
14-13 and Holliday Trade Day within the space of a few days.
Does it get any better then that? :-)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT
Did you guys hear the Taco bell dog passed away
RIP
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Life sucks when there is no DLD
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can always make one ;-)
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 24, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some one already did
WLD?
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by adragon on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other guys
this thread is so long – has anyone evaluated the other two guys in the deal yet?
by gbtmOAK on Jul 24, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited.
Those two extra guys make the trade awesome as well. It’s amazing how 1 player makes this team’s future 10x as exciting.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So Holliday's legacy will be the Grand Slam to tie the game on Monday?
He finally started to hit like we expected him too and now he is gone :-(
Oh well, I’ve also wanted him to be traded for infield help so I guess I got my wish. I say keep Wallace in AAA and bring him up for a cameo in September. Bring back Buck.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Buck might need to get
a restraining order on a certain ANer
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'll be the apex of his valuation in Yr2009
better to trade him just after hitting a grand slam than just before. Who knows, it could have been the difference between Mortensen and some low A-ball candidate.
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get...
is why they recalled Patterson to take Holliday’s spot on the roster. Could another move involving an infielder be brewing? It seems that they should be recalling a backup catcher with Powell ailing. Hmmmm
by Flamethrower on Jul 24, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Patterson plays OF, too
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just doesn't hit.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he has in the minors
We were talking about this, what, a month ago? Patterson not only produces badly in the majors, he just looks terrible — lousy swings, crappy defense, everything. But he’s dominating AAA, and there’s probably a reason for that.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine with me, depending on what they get back
Although at this point working Patterson at 3B isn’t really a long-term plan, right?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all long-term
Wallace in 2010, Patterson (after hopefully showing he can hit in 2009) shows strong versatility in the field (3B, 2B, LF) and is traded on the offseason for a shiny new bauble.
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEW THREAD OPEN
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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