A's trade Holliday for Wallace +2!
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
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The Cardinals' other prospects included in the deal are, according to Tim Kurkjian, outfielder Shane Peterson and righty Clayton Mortensen.
(add 3, 9:35 a.m.): Buster Olney reports that the A's are paying $1.5M of Holliday's remaining salary, leaving the Cardinals on the hook for approximately $4.5M.
More updates in this post forthcoming.
(add 1, 8:35 a.m.):
Here is a link to Kurkjian's article.
Here is Peterson's complete college and minor league statlines.
Here's Mortensen's stats.
Here's Brett Wallace's.
(Those links are to thebaseballcube; to see pictures of Mortensen and Peterson, as well as their split stats, click on the two links provided by flipgatey in the third comment below).
(add 2, 8:50 a.m.):
Buster Olney echoes Kurkjian's information as well, including prospects coming in return: Wallace, Mortensen, Peterson.
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that looks much better
i am a wallace fan and honestly wouldn’t have minded it straight up, but getting two more players as well looks good. mortensen was pitching pretty well for a while in memphis last year, but then fell off a cliff a little bit…he looks very average, but there’s value in that. peterson is a long beach product who looks like he can run a little bit with a little bit of gaps power. not bad.
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I posted this on Trade Deadline thread
YES. Peterson was their 2nd round pick last year and wallace was their first. Peterson hit sumn like 338 in the cape cod league last year with a 436 OBP. He also had a 3.85 GPA at Cal State long beach, so he is smart. I briefly looked up mortenson has a 4.36 ERA at AAA this year and is 24. ME LIKEY WALLACE AND PETERSON
HILLIS
If Wallace sticks at 3B
If he ends up at 1B, it’ll be good, but it won’t actually help the team solve any significant problems. And it’s better than 2 draft picks.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
+1
Wallace and Petereson are just as good as the compensation picks if Holliday leaves, plus some minor league experience, and it eliminates the chance Holliday accepts arbitration. This is as good a deal as BB could make IMO
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Why the hell would Holliday accepting arbitration be a bad thing?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
It wouldn't, but I doubt he would accept, even with this down-turned economy.
The fact is, Damon and Matsui or old and pending FAs.
The chances are good that the Yankees would gladly extend an offer to Holliday after the season.
Boras probably wouldn’t let Holliday accept, methinks.
witty remark
$16 mil/year
Holliday would potentially get a HUGE contract and the team would still not be any better for the long term. Now, of course you might be better in 2010, but there is no chance that Holliday accepts arbitration without using it to getting a bigger contract in FA at the end of 2010.
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Stop and think for a second please.
You would consider it a BAD thing that we could potentially get Matt Holliday for another season for $16M?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I'm saying I don't see Holliday lasting past 2010
And I don’t see BB putting together a contending team past 2010 without a decent 3B.
A’s kicked in $1.5m to make it happen according to Olney
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Here's why it's bad:
In a non-contending season, there are 16,000,000 better ways to spend $16,000,000. Not only is there no way Beane gets a better deal than this next year, when Holliday is considerably more expensive, but there would be no point of paying that for him when we have other glaring needs and two ML-ready corner OF knocking on the door.
Oh, and Max Stassi and Mike Inoa called to remind you that signing over-slot draft picks and international free agents top the list of better ways to spend a boat load of cash, let alone signing at least two positions worth of decent ML free agents.
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by RyanFromBonas on Jul 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The draft and international FA budgets are separate from the MLB payroll.
However, the point is, Holliday could have been traded next year as well, or this offseason, or whatever It wasn’t an absolute cut and dry point that he was going to walk after 2009.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Two reasons:
1. Delays the rebuilding process (the draft picks reach the bigs much later than Wallace)
2. It puts a gun to the team’s head after 2010. If Holliday gets a $16M award in 2009, he probably gets a $20M award for 2010, and then the team has an riskier proposition of offering arbitration. Maybe he gets hurt, declines, etc. – you’re out $20M on one player, you delayed your rebuild two years.
It is NOT the no-brainer you keep claiming it to be, mikev. I can see why you would wholeheartedly support it, but other people aren’t “not thinking” because they disagree. There is logic to the disagreement.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if Wallace moves to first in a few years, I still really like the deal.
Like kbtyz points out, the A’s would be lucky to get Wallace/Peterson value out of their two comp. picks, should Holiday walk, plus they’re further along/closer to the bigs which goes well with the timeline this rebuilding seems to be on.
witty remark
Well, Wallace is not further along than Barton by any measure
If we end up having to sit Barton in order to give Wallace playing time, that’s a problem, IMHO.
Peterson just reached AA (and hasn’t shown any power anywhere, from what I can tell from his stats), so he’s behind Cunningham and Carter. Can he play CF? I assume from the OF/1B listing that he’s a corner guy.
So yeah, these 3 guys would be way better than 2 draft picks. But unless Wallace can handle 3B, it’s a little like Don Nelson getting another 6’5" swing man.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I agree, Wallace doesn't fill an organizational need if he moves off of 3rd.
but, in that case, I see this trade more from a draft perspective.
Beane is getting the best player deal available, regardless of organizational need, although it still MAY fill that gaping 3B hole, at least for a couple of years.
Good, possibly great deal for the A’s.
witty remark
Yeah, like I said, it's a good deal
My original comment was in reply to a question about whether AN thought it was “excellent”, and I said that it would depend on whether Wallace can stick at 3B. So I think you and I see this trade pretty much the same way.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Yes, the excellent part is still to be determined.
I think he can at least stay at third for a few years. By then we’ll know if Barton/Carter/Doolittle are sufficiently manning 1B, and then Beane can probably figure something out at that point.
witty remark
You guys clearly are not tuned into college baseball
Wallace is a stud who was arguably the best college hitter in 2008 while with Arizona State and given the consistent struggles of Barton this is clearly an upgrade if in fact he does slide over from third. His footwork isn’t great so that might be a possibility. I certainly agree that ideally he stays at third, but even if he does move to the other corner this cleary makes the organization much, much better
by EastVillageA on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Wallace fills an organizational need regardless
He can hit
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 24, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's do it
Rather take the chance on Wallace than go with the picks. Peterson could possibly be something as well. No guarantees anything better will be there when they use the picks they’d get after keeping Holliday anyway.
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I liked Mortensen in 2007.......
Before I knew what age/level appropriate was.
Maybe the 180 innings he pitched that year caught up with him in ‘08, and we’re now buying low after that catastrophe. Good move.
I’m not sure what the attraction to Peterson is at this stage, apart from being 21. Another LH OF bat with developing power.
I really hope Wallace sticks at 3B (he’s had 9 games at 1B this year).
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This is one helluva deal
by Beane if it actually happens. We’ll be getting a 2007 and 2008 1st round pick, along with a 2008 2nd round pick. Much better then the two picks we will be getting if Holliday walks at the end of the season. I would have been pretty happy to just get Wallace, but to add Mortensen and Peterson is a steal IMO.
I like it
Wallace will be at first not third but that is ok ebcause we need a 1st baseman. The best part of the deal is the starting pitcher that is coming over. Could this be another outman type of pitcher? A starter under radar who has good stuff. Next up is Cabrera
Why is Wallace a better prospect than Barton, Cunningham, or Carter at 1B?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Sorry, not Cunningham, Doolittle
But FWIW, Cunningham is a better hitting prospect than Wallace, too.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
+1
On a team full of problems, 1st base is just not one of them….at least not compared to just about everything else other than pitchers and catcher.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Except Carter is already a likely DH and Doolittle is just as capable of playing the outfield.
There’s no reason Wallace can’t stay at third base Everybody is saying it’s because he is so big. So was Tony Gwynn. So is Pablo Sandoval. It’s possible.
Barton at 1B, Wallace at 3B, Doolittle in RF, Carter at DH. Where’s the logjam?
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he's welcome to come round and train with me
just saying.
I’m not an expert, or particularly fit or anything, but, yknow, it’d be cool.
If Mr Wallace’s Mr 20% is out there, get in touch
I wasn't raining on this parade...
Just saying that a 3rd baseman is far more useful to the A’s than a 1st baseman.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
But so far there’s been no hard evidence that Wallace can’t stay at third base, aside from scouts saying he won’t because of his gigantic legs.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
If he hits 20 HR a year and gets on base like he has up to this point
I’ll take crappy 3B defense anyways.
witty remark
well....
If you read the comments in the article linked above, none of the Cardinals fans seem to think that Wallace will ever be able to play 3B. Since Pujols is at first, Wallace was a spare part, albeit a talented one.
by coffee roaster on Jul 24, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The skepticism about Wallace at 3B is based on the scouting reports
Has anyone found a scout who thinks he can stay at 3B in the majors? So you read that, then you look at the pictures, and it makes some sense. The reason, in short, is that folks who know his game say he’s not all that great at 3B as it is, and they think being fat won’t help him get any better.
As far as Gwynn and Sandoval are concerned, yes there are always counter-examples. Muggsy Bogues was a great NBA PG at 5’3". Spud Webb was productive at 5’6". There area always outliers.
And FWIW, Gwynn didn’t become fat until later in his career. He wasn’t as big as Wallace when he was 22/23.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
There seems to be a scout (or someone quoting scouts) quoted downthread...
who thinks he can stay at 3B. But he/they does seem to be in the minority.
(Congrats, btw, on your recent martial arts achievement! That’s incredibly cool!)
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Extra players are good
Nothing against Carter but scouts have said he struggles against good pitching. He is still a year and a half away. Doolittle was hurt but can play the outfield so he is multi-positional. As for Barton maybe they can move him back to third. His defense at first has excelled so maybe he could be ok at third. This also gives the A’s trade options to improve at third. Its better to stack good players than to take chance on mediocre players.
Yeah, I think it's a good trade
but you can stack only so many players at the same position. At some point you need to give guys a chance to succeed in the majors, and there’s only one 1B slot on the A’s.
Extra prospects are very good to deal with injuries, guys who flame out, etc. But at some point there are diminishing returns.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
we're assuming that everyone A's prospect will follow their projections perfectly
and the odds are against us that this is going to happen. So if one of the Carter, Barton, Wallace logjam flames out, we have a 1b and a DH for the future.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is that the logjam in and of itself makes it harder to develop these guys
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
i don't think so
You have plenty of openings at Sac and in Oakland. You don’t need to let people scuffle at the big league level with a .600 OPS, Barton ‘08 style. That’s a waste of their service time. Barton never hit awesomely in AAA in ’07. He had an .820 OPS, and a bunch of ANers wish-casted a few good months of his into believing he was ready.
The great thing about having 4-5 guys for 2-3 spots is you can force them to (I’m generalizing here in a bit, but everyone will get the point) hit their way into the bigs. If you can’t OPS .900 in a hitter’s AAA environment over a full season, you don’t belong yet.
Having the depth allows the A’s to make that decisions.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
my guess
is someone else like wertz would have to be included for this deal to happen. seems way to lopsided for the a’s at this point. at the very least we’ll be putting in money.
hell fangraphs thinks just wallace for holliday is lopsided.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/holliday-time-in-st-louis/
I don't think so. It would've been announced if there was another relevant piece coming
from the A’s side.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Any chance St.Louis re-signs
That would make St.Louis a powerhouse in the NL for years. If you say that this is a bad trade for the cards, well its not. Holliday back in NL and with Pujols they will probally win the WS
HILLIS
realistically, how many years would you say?
I ask out of pure curiosity to see how long you think that Holliday will be a top tiered OF for.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 24, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I kinda disagree with Pujols and Holliday make the Cards a powerhouse
They have Pujols, Holliday, Ludwick, Molina, and Rasmus in terms of position players. Now, we all know Pujols is the second coming of Awesome and a first ballot HOF if he keeps this up or ages at an average pace. No rest of the infield, and their best non-Wallace prospect is Daryl Jones, an OF.
Their pitching needs LOTS of help. Carpenter is injury prone but ace when healthy, Wainwright is good, but beyond that, Lohse is mediocre and they have no SP prospects.
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Petersen looks like a bad ass........
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
One could almost call it a Ho(l)liday!
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no "I" in "Offical"
Or at least one less than you’d think.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPNEWS
Just reported it done. But details not disclosed.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
St. Louis fanboys wouldn't like the trade...
I’ve noticed that fanboys tend to like prospects better than anyone who’s proven, so right now Wallace is the greatest player this side of Pujols and Holliday’s a two-month rental.
Getting Holliday puts the Cards into a great position because they’ll have a leg up on signing the guy to a multi-year contract - he’s 29 now so they can probably get away with a six-year deal if they wanted. It will give St. Louis a 1-2 punch we haven’t seen in baseball since the salad days of Ortiz and Ramirez.
For us - Wallace comes up in September, Buck comes up immediately.
Sounds great. I’m happy.
"if he sticks"
what is our going definition of this. Passable, but fairly brutal defense?
If he is gonna play -5, even with a good bat, I don’t want him playing third. Maybe high off my ass about defense, but I don’t want him there.
You know the beauty about this deal if it happens
is that the A’s would fill in a huge void in their prospect lineup. And from all the reports that I’ve read, Wallace is a true stud prospect as about can’t miss as possible.
And we get Viggo Mortenson as well? He was awesome in Eastern Promises.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jul 24, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
I seem to remember he spent a lot of time on the DL in that movie!
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
We need a kick-ass guy like that. LOL!
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
Wikipedia has already been updated to reflect Holliday as a Cardinal
It wasn’t me who made the entry.
It's as if there are other people on the internets....
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
the Wik updates faster than real life.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
The wiki-nerds are freakishly fast
I remember last year’s draft I was having trouble getting one of the baseball sites to respond (overloaded with traffic, I suppose). On a lark I tried Wikipedia, and I found it was showing the new draft picks faster than any sports news site I could find. There must have been a guy right there in the room with a laptop.
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YEYEYYYEYSYSYEYYSYEYEYSYs
I woke up half an hour ago, first thing I did was check mlbtraderumors on my iPhone.
What a GREAT way to wake up
So, with St Louis now looking strong
Does this precipitate a Phillies deal for Halladay? or maybe even a Dodgers deal?
Or a Giants deal for Giambi?
why would the Giants want an old DH who can't hit .225 anymore?
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Yeah, that bit was a joke
But still.
Brian Sabean.
On Wallace at 3b From someone who coached him
“Here’s where you are missing the boat- Wallace will stay at 3B for a long time. He’s much more agile than you guys are giving him credit for and he has a plus arm for a third baseman. Weeks is 50-50 whether he will be an average big-leaguer. Wallace very easily could be a 30 HR guy who hits .300 and drives in 100 RBI every year.
The A’s scouts can’t admit it in person but they absolutely botched that pick last year. Beane was on the line with Wallace with three picks to go saying he was going to take him and then switched. This trade is better than 50-50 according to the people I’ve spoke to since last night. I know, sounds like crap, but I’m in the baseball world."
From Scout Board.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
I like the sounds of all of that
Well, except the botched pick part.
by mk on Jul 24, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The Latest from ESPN (Yippee!)
The Athletics and Cardinals have completed a trade that sends outfielder Matt Holliday to St. Louis in exchange for third baseman Brett Wallace, outfielder Shane Peterson and right-handed pitcher Clayton Mortensen, sources confirmed to ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney.
In addition, sources said the Athletics will throw in $1.5 million to the Cardinals.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions
ESPN says done deal
The Athletics and Cardinals have completed a trade that sends outfielder Matt Holliday to St. Louis in exchange for third baseman Brett Wallace, outfielder Shane Peterson and right-handed pitcher Clayton Mortensen, sources confirmed to ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney. In addition, sources said the Athletics will throw in $1.5 million to the Cardinals.
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wow...
good for us…so who takes over LF?
by HeavyHitters510 on Jul 24, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
Buck or Cunningham
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
Neither
I would love to see them give Buck or Cunningham Lf, but I think they are going to make Rajai the everyday outfielder now. Just a hunch. Maybe Hairston moves to Lf and Rajai to Cf. Or Rajai just plays Lf. With Sweeney in Rf.
Hope I’m wrong.
BUCK!
Let Travis has some consistent playing time please!
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Buck, I hope.
Probably go with Hairston-Rajai-Sweeney tonight, and get Buck on the quickest plane to NY.
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Hairston to LF
Rajai/Sweeney in CF
Buck in RF
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+10000
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
1.5 million signing deal
The Cards gave Wallace 1.8 million so the A’s threw in the 1.5 million to compenstae for the signing.
glad i didnt rush out and buy a holliday jersey
by HeavyHitters510 on Jul 24, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions
I did. But I dont regret it. I knew this was going to happen when I got it. No regrets baby. lol
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I feel like I need to post this again.
In case somebody wants to get me a present.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
that is awesome :)
I would probably buy that jersey if the A’s sold it in the Coliseum store.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You can order it online with the customizable name.
One of these days when I convince myself that 200 bucks on a jersey is OK, I’ll do it.
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So.....
OUT: Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, Huston Street
IN: Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson and Clayton Mortenson
So much WIN.
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Epic WIN indeed
I am sooo happyyyy
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
Me too ;-)
I don’t think anyone around here can possibly hate on this one.
Unless of course they like the Cardinals LOLOLOLOL
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My signature puts Cards fans in perspective
Poor Cards fans, another fleecing by Billy Beane
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
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Cards Fan Here
We are all in disbelief at Viva El Birdos. We can’t believe we just gave up this much for 2 months of Holliday. We didn’t like the deal of giving up 6 years of Wallace for 2 months of Holliday. Adding Mort and Peterson just put this deal into horrible land for us.
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Who knows. Maybe Matt will liek it so much there he resigns with you guys. Never know.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
That's how it went down with McGwire
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
We didn't give up this kind of talent for McGwire
We just gave you guys more talent for a 1/3rd of a season than you gave Colorado for a whole season
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant in terms of the "loves it so much he wants to re-sign" dynamic
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
The likely payoff just might be worth it though.
Remember this if the Cards make it to the WS. Forget it if the team fails in the playoffs.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 24, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if he Resigns he will not be cheap like Wallace was
So dissapointed
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, at least you're in the playoff hunt.
I hate Matt Holliday, hopefully he doesn’t suck for you guys.
Holliday is on a tear right now
Live in the present.
Gotta go for the win now.....
They have a great pitching setup for a short series….Will be a tough out in a playoff series for sure.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 24, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides Wellemeyer
I would take our Starting 4 over anyone. Carpenter/Wainwright/Pineiro/Lohse
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You didn't give it up for just 2 months of Holliday.
You gave it up for 2 months of Holliday, plus the draft picks that come with it, plus keeping Tony La Russa happy.
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Wow, sources say it is done.
Whata great way to start a Friday. I will not miss you Matt….buh bye.
Bring back Hammer.
I like it, I love it and I want some more of it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 24, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions
Does the $1.5m to the Cards mean less money to sign Green/Stassi et al in the next month?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
We already budgeted for Matt's salary.....
We actually save around $4.5 I think
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
The Cards still pick up $4.5M of Holliday's salary
…so the A’s have some cash to play with. Also, Giambi, Crosby, Springer and Garciaparra definitely come off the payroll at the end of the year if not sooner. Probably Cabrera too.
Oh, right! Duh.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
WE SHOULD USE ALL THAT SAVED MONEY TO SIGN MATT HOLLIDAY THIS OFFSEASON!!!!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fuckin lol'd
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
QOTM
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 24, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
This totally made my day.
Maybe Philadelphia gets scared and acts upon their interest in Hairston?
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
Don’t the Phillies have a really good shortstop prospect?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
No, Donald has kind of stalled out
The Phillies have one great pitching prospect (Kyle Drabek, Doug’s son) who’s basically untouchable (though I think he might be available for Halladay), and a bunch of young OFs, in various stages of readiness.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
In fairness, so am I.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
true.
I could’ve been a first round pick…
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I coulda been a contenda
but I went for tha short money….
by cityplANner on Jul 24, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Wallace
Bring up Everidge from the River Cats to replace Barton at first, and have Wallace play third.
Bring back McGwire and Canseco, that would solve everything
No
Daric Barton is still a very good prospect. He’s been tearing up AAA after a very bad 1st month, and he’s just a year older than our new Favorite Toy, Brett Wallace.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Ya
Bartons 3 hits in 28 at bats for a steller .107 is impressive. Give Tommy a shot and see what he can do since is tearing up AAA.
Bring back McGwire and Canseco, that would solve everything
by oaklandfan89 on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course he is. he's been there for 3 years.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
If that's not SSS I don't know what is
Give the man a shot, seriously…
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 24, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Wallace vs Carlos
I like Wallace better since Carlos is a bust in that he has no OBA and his power has not come out. He still could be a carlos Pena type of guy but I doubt it since Pena had more power at a younger age. I look at Wallace as a John Jaha/Fielder type of player. Big strong bat but 0 speed and below average defensively.
Whoa - easy on the Jaha-Fielder player comps
I don’t care if he weighs 235. It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not agile. Some reports claim he has a lot more agility than it looks. The two guys you compared him to were STIFFS who spent the majority of their career as DH’s, or at least should have.
For what it’s worth, in 2008, Wallace was 16-20 in SB at Arizona State.
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by RyanFromBonas on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
nobody ever mentions his SB skills. Horribly slow, bad-instinct people don’t have an 80% sb success rate.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Brett Wallace in 148 professional games
SB: 0
CS: 1
Triples: 1
Maybe he’s a great baserunner, but he hasn’t been doing much running since being drafted a year ago.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
not been doing much running
or shuttles, or cycling, or gym time in general, it’d seem
Wasn't Jaha slowed by bone spurs and other foot problems?
I guess you could weight played a factor.
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HOLY SHIT
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 24, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions
Did we get Bodie and Poot, too?
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
Bodie would sure give the A's a little more fight, dontcha think?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Bodie was a soldier.
He got got for no good reason at all. It still pisses me off.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The game stays the game
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
oh indeed.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
conscience do cost.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Some Honey Nut Cheerios,
carton of Newports and an attractive bottom.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Or not.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
At least we'd know what Omar's AB music would be
The farmer in the dell, the farmer in the dell…
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
The cheese stands alone....
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You know, I was never at the front of the torches-and-pitchforks mob WRT Geren...
but I’d be all for dumping him if we could replace him with Brother Mouzone.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
You will want to post your lineup now, brother.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
So let's review the Mulder trade
Cards get: The Dead Body of Mark Mulder
A’s get: Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland(ewww), Brett Wallace, Mortensen, and Peterson.
Fleeced.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
Well, they also got Holliday, a first-round sandwich pick, and a first or second-round pick...
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 24, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
O-cab to Twinkies
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/51533957.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiacyKUUr
This is floating around today as well
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
I'd say it's only a good deal if Wallace can play 3B in the bigs
Mortensen’s numbers are pretty bad the last couple of years so I doubt St. Louis will miss him.
Peterson has hardly shown any flashes of brilliance in the minors yet.
McGwire belongs in the Hall so put him there
by streetisclosedin08 on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
Peterson
His minor league numbers actually look pretty promising. High OBP guy with gap power. 2008 2nd round pick.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
what is tonight's starting lineup looking like?
could we have a buck sighting possibly? can he play left? stick with rajai since he’s playing well?
Not likely, since I don't think Buck could get to New York in time.
I suspect we’ll see Hairson/Rajai/Sweeney in the OF, Barton at 1B, and Cust at DH.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I know that's a joke, but that would be so freakin' awesome.
One last game before he goes into the Hall. Get ’er done, Billy!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Billy Beane working his magic
Great return for two months of Holliday. Sickels’ pre-season evaluation of the prospects we received in the deal:
Brett Wallace, 3B, Grade A-: Monster bat should be ready within a year. Glove at third should be adequate in the short run.
Clayton Mortensen, RHP, Grade C+: Gets grounders, could be an inning-eater, but strikes me as overrated by some other sources.
Shane Peterson, OF, Grade C+: High OBP college guy with gap power, but not many homers.
Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust
Lets recap a bit...since the last time I was able to really get on AN
Hannahan has been traded to a division rival. (the perfect plan in my book)
The A’s twice score more than 10 runs.
Someone threw a perfect game, made possible by a great catch.
And on the day i get internet at home and good wireless signal at work we get a haul for Holliday, and the chance to get more from OCab.
Happy dance to begin in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…..
Bad spellers of the world untie.
TLR must be really happy right now.
He’s wanted Holliday for a long long time. He deserves this (I can’t believe I’m saying this)
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Dear Billy
I love you.
Signed, Orodawg.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
.....
P.S Daniel777 loves you long time :-)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Yes
This is a great haul for a two month rental.
Let’s not forget that our genius GM should have drafted Wallace in the first place.
But looking at this now, it is a great trade for us. He can go back to the NL and perform better
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
no, he shouldn't have
Our genius GM now has a future 2b and a 3b, instead of only one or the other. Drafting Weeks was fine.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
plus, Jemile Weeks has not dissapointed thus far
He’s been delayed by injury, but still. I’m excited for him
He couldn't have dealt Holliday for a 2B prospect instead?
Assuming Wallace was drafted instead of Weeks, I mean
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
OK
When do you guys think Wallace will arrive in the bigs
He looks pretty close right?
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
Name the top 2B prospects in the league
Betcha Weeks is top three…there aren’t many good 2B prospects out there.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 24, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Cardenas, Lowrie, and Triunfel are the only guys listed as 2B on the BA Top 100
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
not sure if this has been poster or not,
but this is an interesting little thing on Shane Peterson….Very weird batting stance, but produces apparently.
http://futureredbirds.com/2008/06/05/shane-peterson/
Here is something from Gonzaga about Mortensen.
http://gonzaga.scout.com/a.z?s=130&p=2&c=828626
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
weird
he’s leaning forward at first and then leans back. Lot of moving parts in that swing.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
His head is still - the rock back is his trigger motion
that said, if he loses his timing, it won’t be nice for him.
In other news – Long Beach state are the Dirtbags?/??
or is that a joke. I hope it’s not. that’s the best name ever.
Nope, that's their name.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. Giambi went there too.
When Giambi was with the team before, my buddy and I got him to sign a jersey when everybody else was trying to get him because we screamed “HEY DIRTBAG” at him as loud as we could.
He looked up and had us toss him the jersey to sign. It was awesome.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Walt Jocketty is having nightmares right now.
He didn’t need his demonstration of GM futility rehashed and talked about ad nauseum, especialy this close to the trade deadline, even if he is Reds GM now.
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Now _that_'
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions
POST FAIL...let's try again.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Now _that_'s how to flip a Holliday time-share!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions
Brett Wallace's Defense
I’ve read now on two different sources, (Beyondtheboxscore and this article, http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/totalzone-takes-on-the-minors/ which quotes totalzone numbers) that Brett Wallace in 2008 was worth -6 runs on defense.
That was over two different levels in the minors.
Brett Wallace was also worth 19.5 runs above average with the bat, +2.5 for third base, and +7.8 for replacement level, makes him still worth 29.8 runs above replacement in over 234 PA….
Adjust for 600 PA and for a whole season he was worth 76.4 runs above replacement.
The only thing that didn’t factor in here was park adjustment (and of course, that these numbers are from A and AA, but hey, it’s the defensive contribution which I’m really looking at anyhow), but Chipper Jones was worth 76.7 runs above replacement last year, the third best in the majors behind Chase Utley and Albert Pujols.
Now my point is not to say that Brett Wallace will be that good in the majors.
My point is to say that if he had that season in the majors, his subpar defense would not have stopped him from being a totally excellent player. So I say leave him at 3rd.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
Eh, give him a few weeks with Wash and
he should be fi—
Crap.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol if only...
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric Chavez, infield coach.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Some Wallace Videos
Here’s Brett Wallace hitting a HR in A ball last year.
And here’s Wallace crushing a home run against the S.F. Giants…in MLB09 The Show on PlayStation 3.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 24, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
Is it weird that I was more excited about the second one?
lol
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
This one is a closer shot of him batting and running to 2nd
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
He's built like a brick shithouse
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
I hear he has a great personality
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
The A's are going to need to make a large purchase of baby powder for the chub rub
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
This is great news
I look forward to reading up on the new guys once I’m off work.
I wonder if the deal also involved sending a Costco sized shipment of Sunflower Seeds to the Cards
I'm a happy seal
by SwisherThresher on Jul 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
We all have to thank TLR for this.
He wanted Holliday for a long time. He went to the media about it.
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TLR?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 24, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Carson Daly? Wouldn’t that be TRL, not TLR?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a fuckin-A trade if I may say so myself.
I know, it’s early and the words “Dan Meyer, Charles Thomas, and Juan Cruz” are coming through my mind as well as the last time the A’s dealt a slugger to St. Louis. Nonetheless, me likey as of 7.23.09.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
can I also say
it would be nice if the Giants would get a bat so we can actually watch post-season baseball in the yay. I know, I know…I don’t like ‘em either but at least it’s something…right…RIGHT?!?!
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
oh hell yes
as much as I don’t really care that much about them, anything that brings excitement is fun, regardless.
I’m very much looking forward to the 2012 battle of the bay II WS showdown
Wallace v Gonzalez
Who would you rather have on this team right now?
Obviously C-Gon is needed more at CF than Wallace (at first), and has more upside considering his position. But Carlos never proved his power, so I’d rather take Wallce
You can't stack this trade up to the guys the A's gave up
The fact that this haul is even remotely CLOSE in value to Cargon/Street/Smith is a freaking coup on Beane’s part.
That was a calculated risk Beane was taking when he traded for Holliday. He was under the full working impression that unless someone overpaid (which the Cardinals did), he wouldn’t get back close to what he gave up for Holliday.
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easy, beane would rather have wallace because he's a very patient hitter as
opposed to Cargo who seemed to be a very free swinger when he was here. plus the extra players we got in this deal are younger and have more potential than Street/Smith. This was a good deal all around even for the Cards even though I am surprised that they gave up to 1st rounders and a second. That does seem like a lot.
by green tusks on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Wallace went to my high school...although we didn't overlap
and Justin-Siena’s in Napa, not Sonoma. Wallace’s parents live in Sonoma, not Napa. Jeesh.
Even at the time we thought he was the second coming, although that school has seen some very good ballplayers.
"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark
Overall, I really like this deal.
I would not have been happy with compensation picks, as I feel that would have been two steps backward time-wise in the rebuilding.
It’s highly improbable that Boras/Holliday have already negotiated a new contract extending past this year, but alot of players love playing in St Louis… McGwire did, for example… and it’s not inconceivable that Holliday could love it there and pressure Boras to make a deal with them.
The flip side of that, of course, is that players hire Boras precisely because money is high on their list, so it’s not a given.
I never warmed up to Holliday anyway, but that’s neither here nor there.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
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