Trade Deadline Thread
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 8:17 AM PDT
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With the non-waiver trade deadline about a week away, I thought it would be cool to create a thread where everyone could post their thoughts and the trades they wish that Oakland would make.
My thoughts are that this deadline rather than just staying pat, we should try to get real creative. Trading for players with the intent of trading them in other deals to make them work, really staying active and open to everything. On top of that, trying to look at player's performances and trying to evaluate if this is their peak value and trusting your scouts to make that judgement call.
-My Plan-
Trade #1:
A few days before the deadline trade Matt Holliday, Adam Kennedy, Russ Springer, James Simmons, and Cash to the White Sox for Tyler Flowers, Jordan Danks, Dan Hudson, and Nevin Griffith.
Trade #2
Not too long after the first trade, hit up the Rockies and deal Michael Wuertz and Tyler Flowers for Jhoulys Chacin, Hector Gomez, and Darin Holcomb.
Trade #3
After seeing us pump up the Rockies, worried about their own Wild Card hopes, the Brewers come looking for some pitching help. We deal them Dallas Braden, Andrew Carignan, and Hector Gomez for Alcides Escobar, Cody Scarpetta, and Brandon Ritchie.
These trades, hopefully, do two things:
1) Address positions and developmental levels of need. We are pretty thin at top pitching prospects at our high levels (I guess you could count Tyson Ross...). The acquisitions of Chacin and Hudson pretty much fix this. I realize trading James Simmons negates this somewhat, but I'm banking on my feeling that he is just not that good. As for positions of need: Alcides Escobar addresses our dark dark hole at SS and Darin Holcomb is a decent 3B sleeper already playing in AA. Danks is looking like he might turn into a decent CF option by 2011 and his defense has been pretty good there as well. Scarpetta, Ritchie, and Griffith are all sleepers that the A's should be happy to take on.
2) Set us up for 2011. Chacin will probably be ready midseason 2010 and Hudson could easily be ready the beginning of 2011. With the anticipated progression of Capra and Ross, and hopefully some unexpected breakouts, that sets us up for a very good rotation with Anderson, Cahill, Outman, Gio, and Chacin (with Hudson, Ross, Capra all sitting pretty to take over in case of injury or something like that. ). As for offense, Danks could have a cup of coffee in 2010, and hopefully be ready by 2011. I'd also like to add, that I think we should trade for Julio Borbon plus others, but we might have to move Ziegler in a deal like that. But its something we should definitely explore. Borbon plays sick defense in CF and has good speed, and I could deal with a 250 AVG hitting 9th (with the upside and youth to get even better) just as long as he swipes 25 and plays a +10 UZR.
Alright, so what kind of moves do you want made this deadline? Or perhaps lack of moves. Or do you just want to comment on how idiotic these sourstuff moves are?
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Cards to offer Wallace for Holliday?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/23/SPJB18TD51.DTL
by DeJay on Jul 23, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if Holliday keeps mashing
for the next couple days, I think we should use this offer as a springboard to hopefully get a few others from other teams, to pick the best possible offer.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at this stage it is still a rumour that they are edging closer to being ready but...
…it is a lot better than the previous untouchable stance they were previously taking.
by DeJay on Jul 23, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double B's should make this trade because...
Brett Wallace is made of lightning!
by JustinIcon19 on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I don't see any of those deals happening
Let alone ALL of them.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HIs brother
Jordan Danks is an OF in the Chisox system.
by asyouwish33 on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about your trades
but I love the idea of this thread
rec’d
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 23, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of making this an open thread for anything trade deadline.
although I don’t like your trades.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
breakdown
we would subtract: Holliday, Kennedy, Springer, Simmons, Wuertz, Braden, Carignan
and add: Escobar, Chacin, Hudson, Danks, Holcomb, Scarpetta, Ritchie, and Griffith.
Three of those guys we are trading have expiring contracts. The biggest loss would be Braden, but I guess I am the only one thinking he is playing out of his mind this year or that Simmons and Carignan might never have higher value as prospects as they do now (although with Simmons, last year prolly would’ve been higher).
If you are of Mikev’s position, that they just wont happen, then i might tend to agree with you. I dont think the other teams would do it.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol I was really +1ing the first part. good idea for the thread, not really the part about the trades, btw.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i mean i didnt even realize his post mentioned the trades. I didnt really look at the trades, I was busy.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the creativeness, and the only player I would really miss is Braden.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if the Athletics can insert themselves...
…into the middle of a negotiated trade by being the pitching prospect-providing team. If Riccari is looking to get at least one young and talented starter within a trade package in return for Halladay — and no one else (Phillies, Dodgers, another team) is willing to provide this — then should the Athletics help facilitate a move in order to net a position player prospect? Or is the current starting pitching surplus that the Athletics have only going to reveal itself as wishful thinking, resulting in only about three quality major league arms?
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although the Jays are searching for 3B/SS as well.
Phillies and Dodgers don’t have a good 3B/SS prospect (Donald = BUST).
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with your assessment
But I feel like everything I’ve read about Donald recently has been negative, where it seemed positive in the past. What caused the shift?
by mk on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was assumed that his bat would be plus enough for him to pass at 2B
There were defensive questions about him last year and whether he could stick at SS (I can’t remember which analyst/scout pretty much proclaimed him a 2B), but this year his bat has fallen off a cliff and he’s not that young.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh I really wasn't ever a fan
Not young bad to meh defense and now has questions about his stick.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about Wallace
Didn’t Brett Wallace grow up in CA? Curiousity.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was born in Marin
But I don’t know if he actually grew up in NoCal.
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check that. wikipedia says he was born in Sonoma
And went to high school in Napa
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he played against my highschool
redwood in marin
When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen
by rhymeswithelephant on Jul 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you play for the neil cummins elementary team?
I did . . . on the playground
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a big A's fan
Apparently he was certain he was going to be drafted by the A’s and pretty gutted when he wasn’t
by DeJay on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he played for justin siena high school IIRC
i played against him in summer ball for a couple years. still hit the ball harder to the opposite field than anyone i’ve ever played with or against. big fan.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do recall correctly
I remember playing against JS. The 2b on my team made an error on a line drive hit by Wallace. Said it was the most scared he’s ever been on a diamond.
The same game Wallace hit an oppo shot on a curve out of the zone. Color me impressed.
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by vignette17 on Jul 23, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember down in irvine
he hit a ball that the shortstop jumped for, and it rose out of the park into the alley.
this is true, no exaggeration. wasn’t a curveball though, like 92 mph fastball on the outer half.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That ball just landed yesterday, actually.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good hangtime
about 4 years
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's relevant is he grew up an A's Fan.
by AthleticsReign on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well then, let's pull the f'n trigger!
If somebody with talent actually WANTS to be here, my lord, get this baby done!
(of course, I want someone else with Wallace, too…)
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you are one crazy motherfucker.
I like you, man.
by Elston Gunn on Jul 23, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
You’re not bad yourself.
What? you weren’t speaking to me? Oh….well…um…
LOOK! A BOBCAT!
(scurries away)
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squirrel!!
Ooo! Piece of candy!
by ChickenStanley on Jul 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beavers and Ducks!
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 23, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm?
You said something about Oregon universities?
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I was quoting Billy Bob Thorton from the movie "Bandits"
but those are Oregon teams huh.
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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jul 23, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twinkies interested in O-Cab?
The Twins have already discussed shortstop Orlando Cabrera with the A’s, sources said Wednesday, and he might be the best fit of all.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SOLD! to the team in the ugly blue shirts!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 23, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the propensity to lose ten run leads
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how 'bout...
Wallace, Motte and Kouza for Holliday? Too much?
My concern is that Wallace, from articles I’ve read, is a below average 3B with 1B his most likely destination. Do the A’s need another DH/1B?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll live with Mark Reynolds defense at 3B from Wallace
if he can hit.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine Jack Cust at 3B
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not that bad or he would've been moved off already.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he really isn't that bad
i wouldn’t mind him at third because he can actually hit.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'd be our 4th-best 1B prospect
Barton, Doolittle, and Carter are all at least as good as Wallace, and quite possibly better.
The X factor with Wallace is that he’s fat. Not a little overweight, genuinely fat. If they can get him to stop eating twinkies and start exercising in the offseason, maybe he can lose 10-15 lbs and really improve as a player, and stick at 3B.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 23, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the assesment though I would probably put him ahead of Doolittle
I mean he isn’t skinny but hes big boned in addition to having a little extra junk in the trunk. I just don’t see him at 3b long term nor do I see him as a significantly better prospect than Cardenas.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The argument for projecting Doolittle as a better player
I think, would be that he’s only been focusing exclusively on hitting for the past couple of years, so he might actually have a lot more room to improve than other 22-year-old 1B prospects.
It’s sort of his X-factor, like the possibility that Wallace could be introduced to Ms. Craig or Mr. Atkins.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Doolittle can easily be moved to RF in the future.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Garrett Atkins diet?
I hear it’s curveballs.
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by Nico on Jul 23, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton's not much of a prospect any longer - IMO
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's that based on?
Wallace is almost exactly a year younger than Barton, and by the time Barton was Wallace’s age he’d already ripped a hole through AAA pitching and shown something in a month with the A’s.
Barton is a much, much, much more advanced hitter right now than Wallace. And if Wallace can’t handle 3B, I can’t see why he’d be a better hitting prospect.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you watched Barton the last 2 years?...
he’s overmatched at the mlb level
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet you were singing a diff tune when he got called up in Sept.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course...that was 2 years ago...
what have you done for me lately?
much like Buck
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U dont give up on young guys so fast.
With the track records Buck and Barton have.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not rooting against him...
just saying after last season…I’m not sure “Prospect” is the right label for him.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When getting steady playing time last Sept..
Barton put up .919OPS and Buck 1.089OPS. Give them playing time.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if the A's traded for Wallace, started him at 3B in Oakland for the rest of the year,
and he sucked (as he almost surely would in the majors right now) would he stop being a “prospect” as well?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
everyone thought the same thing about Carlos Pena … and now look.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena is overrated
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 23, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and better
than anything we have right now at 1B.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 23, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool, so trade him now, then sign him in five years
when he’s a free agent looking for a minor-league contract.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 23, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton had a bad first month....
But OPS by month since is impressive.
May : 840
June : 1.062
July : 1.199
With a total of .844. While walking 45 times and striking out 43.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno about 4th
but barring an unlikely physical change (i.e. he shifts from being fat to in-shape), he’s a 1B. i’d rank him above our guys at 1B (you could argue carter is better), but again, for matt holliday, you need to get top prospects back. wallace at 1B is not a top prospect. wallace at 3B is, but he will not be able to play 3B in the majors unless he loses 20 pounds.
by guy incognito on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is he better than Barton or Doolittle (at 1B)?
He K’s a ton (114 Ks in 148 minor-league games in his career, about a 2:1 K:BB ratio), which is similar to Doolittle’s numbers but much, much worse than Barton’s. He’s already 22 years old, and isn’t hitting as well as Barton in AAA this year.
If he’s a 1B, which I think he’ll have to be (unless he loses weight) I don’t see what there is for A’s fans to get all excited about.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he jumped levels insanely quickly
but, yeah, he’s not an 19-year old doing this. well…i still think he’s better than doolittle, but carter and barton might be better. either way, though, that does not make a top prospect, and unless wallace drops 20 pounds or so and can play 3B in the majors, we’d need a lot more for holliday.
by guy incognito on Jul 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo Sandoval is fat.
…………………
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons, until Beane gave up on Gallagher. It makes sense though...Gallagher = Player To Be Named Later = me!
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir, you can't park your van on the diving board
Oh! It’s just a fat kid! You’re a fat kid, huh, fatty? Here, have a chocolate bar.
by cityplANner on Jul 23, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love Family Guy.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so not true
but that’s neither here nor there
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're forgetting
Whoever doesn’t like Family Guy, is gay.
Politicians: Oh well I like Family Guy, who doesn’t like Family Guy
1 senator: I was the FIRST one who liked Family Guy!
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
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by hero66 on Jul 23, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not fat like you sound it
Have you seen what he looks like? He has no Gut to speak of. All his weight is in his giant thighs
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No gut to speak of"?
I’m not sure why fat legs are less of a problem than a fat gut (they both put pressure on the knees and slow you down) but FWIW…
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"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait, one more
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is my concern about wallace as well
kid seems like he’ll be a good hitter, but if he’s just a 1B/DH, his value is much lower than a 3B. from everything i’ve read, he’s not going to cut it at 3B defensively. now, i’m not against getting good hitters anyway, but if we’re trading holliday who is finally starting to come around (thanks, big mac, for screwing up his batting stance!) plus the picks the team gets when he presumably walks, we need to get at least 1-2 top prospects in return. wallace at 3B is a great prospect. wallace at 1B (which seems to be much more likely) is a good prospect, but not great. in other words, we need more than that.
by guy incognito on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we do deal Holliday
we should just take the best prospect package available, regardless of position, save maybe 2b (but then again i think we have every 2b prospect alive).
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, BUT
the problem with wallace is, he’s not nearly as valuable as a 1B as he is a 3B. so in that case, position does matter…barring any changes, he’s going to be a 1B in the majors, which lowers his value a bit. we shouldn’t care about position (well, we’d obviously love a 3B and SS), but, if the player does not project at a certain position in the majors (like wallace), we should factor that in to their value.
by guy incognito on Jul 23, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, his position is the reason he's available in the first place
As a 1B, he’s pretty useless to the Cardinals, who have a first-ballot HOFer in the prime of his career over there. If he were a good defensive 3B, they might rush him to the majors this year and send DeRosa to the OF.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olney says chance of Wallace/Holliday 50/50
by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes the Cards interesting to watch!
Nice lineup with Pujols and a back-in-the-NL Holliday.
by A'sian on Jul 23, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for Creativity
I’m not sure how much I like the deals, but a lot of thought went into these, and they certainly aren’t the typical “trade Adam Kennedy for Alcides Escobar and Yovani Gallardo” trade threads. I feel like it’s giving up a lot of value, but most of it isn’t long-term value anyway. It’s got me thinking, and I appreciate that.
by el generico on Jul 23, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What day is the deadline?
Is it tomorrow? Or next Fri?
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
next Friday
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I write my trade pieces this is exactly what I am trying to avoid.
There is no way that the White Soxs want Holliday. They have two quality starting corner OFers in Dye and Quentin, don’t need an over priced reliever since they are trying to trade both Linebrink and Dotel and they can fix their second base problem if tjhey want to play Gordon Beckham there. Also the return for those players isn’t good at all.
Wuertz and flowers is a woefully inadequate offering for chacin plus gomez.
Finally the brewers swap kills the A’s.
you have to explain why these deals are plausible because quite frank;y they arent
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok
maybe the white sox wasn’t well thought out, but luckily thats the easiest fixable one since the means to an end on that one is getting a good enough prospect to flip in the Rockies deal. But that said, the rockies are using Joel Peralta and Juan Rincon to bridge to Huston, I think Wuertz would look pretty enticing to them. And a Tyler Flowers like top 50 prospect is no small chip in that deal either.
The brewers one is my favorite because it is the most bold one. I realize people probably like Carignan, and obviously Braden, but I am really just trusting my instincts that there value will never be any higher. I obviously could be wrong…but not about Willie Harris.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure theyre interested in Wuertz, but the deal is a terrible one for the Rox
Tyler Flowers is a lot like Wallace he can hit but if he has to play 1b his value craters. His defense behind the dish is bad. Also the Rockies have a guy stuck at 1b, his name is Todd Helton, he makes a huge amount of money, he use to be great and now is just pretty good. Chacin is one of the top probably 10 pitching prospects in baseball. His wicked sinker and ground ball tendencies make him exactly the type of pitcher that will excel in Coors and he has the stuff to be a front of the rotation pitcher. You don’t trade that for a reliever and a guy who if he cant catch (which is a good to probably possibility) really isn’t that valuable.
I am fine trading Braden. The problem is the return is bad and honestly its a terrible terrible idea. You trade one good SS prospect for a better one, plus a good relief pitching prospect which almost makes up the difference in value in my mind (not completely but mostly). Then you have basically a live A ball arm and a guy who profiles as a loogy for Braden? I mean even if you take half the value of Braden and assign it to the upgrade from Gomez and Carnigan to Escobar (which is think is way more than Escobar is worth) you are trading basically 5 years of control of a guy who is pitching with the elite in the league for a live A ball arm and a loogy? You cannot possibly expect that trade to work out well for the A’s.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
first of all
I think you are rating Hector Gomez why more than I am, so that really fubars our respective ideas on both trades. When you say trade a good SS prospect for a better one, im thinking more like trading a sleeper SS prospect for an elite SS prospect.
Cody Scarpetta is the third best player in that deal in my opinion. And i feel comfortable swapping Braden for Escobar.
I respect your opinion though, even if you don’t mine.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right... I am overvaluing Gomez
However, I think Escobar’s generally overvalued. He was absolutely terrible with the bat before last year and this year he regressed to being ok. Hes hitting worse the Pennington for example. Yes I know he has a world class glove but I wonder how many of those runs saved are going to minimize the damage caused by his bat. Hector Gomez I think is often underrated and is a good sleeper. His numbers are way better this year if you neutralize for luck and park effects over at minorleaguesplits.
Why do you like Ritchie (who Sickles thinks is destined to be a Loogy) is better than Scarpetta who put up good number this year and last year?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i meant third best player in the whole deal. Right after Escobar and Braden.
And it was also meant to say that I think Scarpetta might end up being a revelation.
And for the flowers things, you just gotta nix that whole thing because you are right about the white sox not being interested. But then again, if Carlos Quentin dies again in the next few days…
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't trade Braden for Escobar straight up and think that the rest of the deal is a wash at best
plus the Brewers aren’t trading Escobar for Halliday so why would they trade him for Braden.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you even
on the same wavelength with me that we should at least be exploring the option of trading him, or just of staying open to anything?
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look up :)
I am fine trading Braden. The problem is the return is bad
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt really imply
that you are overly enthused. Just sounded like it was the least offensive part of the deal to you.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Escobar is generally undervalued
He was good with the bat before last season and did well last year. He’s a skinny kid who is filling out. He’d probably profile as a starting SS in the majors if he was just a plus glove but numerous people describe him as probably the best in the minors. Saying he’s going to cause “damage” with his bat seems over the top.
by JetSam on Jul 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
looking
for people to post their own trade ideas too!
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Id sooo love to get Wallace.
Get it done Billy.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
He’s still a top 25 prospect in the game despite his defensive questions, which scouts are aware of. That’s still a win in a Holliday trade.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Wallace
…and Wallace loves the A’s. Get ’er done Billy.
Then trade O-Cab
And Kennedy
and Wuertz
…and Ziegler…
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Geren
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Jul 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather have Frazier
the Reds secondary pieces are better than the Cards unless were getting Jones too (and Im not even a big believer in him). I would be willing to give Jocketty a discount for either Cozart or Frazier who I like more than any of the Cards prospects.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you here, I love Frazier. (Go Rutgers)
But are the Reds still looking to be buyers?
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im suggesting that we make the price right for them.
They probably aren’t buyers but Jocketty was still making rumblings about picking up a bat on the trade market after Bruce broke his hand. We still have a week for them to get hot.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
frazier has played left field all season
i’m all for getting hitters, but wallace can at least fake third…they moved frazier completely out of the infield. is it because they had soto on the same team? i can’t remember.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can play third though, a lot better than Wallace actually.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a lot
The problem with Frazier playing third has nothing to do with him but more that Edwin Encarnacion, Juan Francisco, and Neftali Soto can’t play anywhere else because they have Votto and Alonso at 1b and they are too slow for the OF. My Reds piece goes into detail about this.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see that's what i'd been looking for
i was wondering about soto’s presence blocking frazier from playing third.
not that it (most likely) matters anymore this season…but could be something to look into in the offseason. i was a big frazier fan when he was coming out of college, they seem to be slow-tracking him.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think
the Gnats as the best fit…if they did Alderson / Villalona + Noonan / Gillespie, id take it in a heartbeat….
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"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Joe Morgan's going to think Beane wrote the movie too..." -whitshoes40
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by ST on Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
any Giants deal would have to start with Crawford. Alderson is a really solid bet to be a back of the rotation starter which we don’t really need. Hes like Simmons but better. Villalona isn’t really good at baseball nor is Gillepie. Noonan is exactly like Utley except he strikes out all the time and plays bad defense…. so really nothing like Utely. Crawford, Kieschnick, and Neal would be a way better package and doesn’t touch the Giants untouchables.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm i got deja vu reading this
did u cut and paste this from somewhere?
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but my opinion hasn't changed so its mostly the same as the shit ive been saying for a month.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I weird for not liking Brandon Crawford that much?
Not that I really like the other guys mentioned either. I think the Giants’ system is horribly overrated, though Bumgarner/Posey are two great prospects.
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons, until Beane gave up on Gallagher. It makes sense though...Gallagher = Player To Be Named Later = me!
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 23, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you are, and yes it is
High end talent is more appreciated by the general fan because its falshy. Two B prospects probably have a better chance of panning out than one A-. Thats just the way it works. I don’t get what is not to like about Crawford great defense with the tools to hit and has now started to figure it out.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's sucking in AA, for one...
He “figured it out” in 25 games in the California League, but is hitting .238/.287/.333 in 66 games in Connecticut this year. On the season he’s .278/.337/.414 with 102 K in 345 AB (91 G). He’s a low-contact SS with below-average hitting stats and average to below-average power. I’m not that impressed by a 22 year old hitting .371/.445/.600 in only 25 games in high A ball, followed by sucking royal ass in AA.
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons, until Beane gave up on Gallagher. It makes sense though...Gallagher = Player To Be Named Later = me!
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 23, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't looked at him since the Giants piece I did a while back
so yeah his AA numbers aren’t great but Connecticut is not a particularly a fun place to hit. If he repeats AA at 23 does AAA at 24 hes not really that old. I think he will figure it out with the bat and you still have premium defense regardless of what the bat does.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is why the giants skipped posey to AAA
nobody hits in connecticut
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it had something to do with Boche saying that he wanted him to catch MLers too.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true too
i’m friends with nate schierholtz’s brother (former jc teammate), and i just remember when schierholtz was raking in A+ ball and moved up to connecticut, and then was terrible for a season. kind of lost his luster as a prospect. that field just eats people up.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 24, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now, supposedly, the interest is only "mild"
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think if he keeps raking
we are going to hear a lot of varying rumors from a whole bunch of teams, trying to suss out what is actually legit will be the problem.
by sourstuff on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I read this
I was going to fast and I decided that this must be the new way the SuSlu is ending her articles.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jul 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever happens
in the next week, holliday better stay hot during this yankee/red sox roadtrip…any slump could kill a potential deal
i would trade him sooner rather than later…too bad no kc/orioles this week to pad his stats
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 23, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though the yanks pitching has been great as of late, playing in Yankee stadium might get Holliday a few home runs on pop ups.
That may actually help his stats. But you never know.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
anything Holliday does in the next 7 days will have any bearing on his trade value.
by Future Ed on Jul 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can a hot streak not help his value and a cold streak not hurt?
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because those who would trade for him
will discount the recent streak and make a deal based on a perceived value rooted in a much longer horizon.
I would not agree that a hot or cold streak does not have ANY bearing, but I think the difference is negligible.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 25, 2009 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if I conceed that 80% of GM's discount the recent streak(s)
20% wouldn’t, which would be enough to drive up his value more than negligibly. All you really need is just one GM willing to overpay to make a few more consider it.
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
by OmahaHi on Jul 26, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies have interest in Scott Hairston...
According to Jayson Stark.
by Synx on Jul 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This might be
An unusually fun deadline…
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird.
I’m not even sure who the Phillies have left to deal, though.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have 3 or 4 top 25 prospects
they have a ton to deal, not that i expect any for hairston but they have a good farm system.
brown
taylor
knapp
drabek
donald
just to name a few
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a lot of very good talent that they would never give away, but then not much else.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope its true. I don't see Hairston having another year as good as this one.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interested in him to be a 4th OF?
I mean, they already have Victorino, Werth, and Ibanez….
by Cutthemullet on Jul 24, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O/T Mark Buehrle is perfect thru 8 innings
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
by Trainman on Jul 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am watching that right now. This is awesome.
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by Blicks on Jul 23, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Announcer on radio said he robbed a home run
Wise that is
My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010
by Trainman on Jul 23, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're going crazy on the Sox game thread.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did it!
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Repeatedly!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just not to you
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
by adragon on Jul 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on which "She" we're talking about.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished watching it...simply amazing
It’s really unbelievable how much goes into a perfect game. The stars really have to align for it to happen. It is a beautiful thing.
by asyouwish33 on Jul 23, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tv guys said "perfect game" in the 8th
“call your friends, call your neighbors… buehrle has a perfect game going into the 9th!”
horrible baseball etiquette
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
by SamYam on Jul 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
People still dont believe in the "Jinx"
when it comes to no hitters and perfect games do they?
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
by Syphon on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe in the jinx.
But I do believe in observing decorum and respecting a time-honored tradition.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jul 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Quite frankly these sort of things speak for themselves, they don’t need some knucklehead yabbering on about it when it very well could be over with the very next pitch. Just sit back and enjoy it while it lasts, then make a big deal about it when it happens.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Jul 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last weekend when Anderson was throwing his gem, I had to do a mental rewind.
My wife and I were listening to it in the car and they said “Fifteen up, fifteen down.” It took me a few seconds to realize what they were talking about.
by LoneStranger on Jul 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why i don't necessarily mind a "perfect through 5" mention
as you go to break. But just not go gaga over it all inning long.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "jinx" has NOTHING to do with fans and announcers
It’s only about players speaking to the pitcher after the 5th inning. And the Sox DID talk to Buehrle about the perfect game in between innings, all the way to the 9th.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
no chance we keep Holliday and re-sign him? Can’t I dream?!
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Jul 23, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i wish..
now that he got his timing corrected and is actually doing what we originally got him for we’re going to trade him..kind of sucks
by HeavyHitters510 on Jul 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman is saying that the Cardinals are "seriously pursuing"
Holliday, and that the Tigers are in the mix as well.
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/2805049989
Personally, I don’t see much in the Tigers system that excites me about them being involved. I don’t see them matching up well with us for a trade. Their is next to NOTHING left in their down on their farm.
by JPShark on Jul 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers farm is less fertile than the ones surrounding Chernobyl
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow. lol
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more teams in the mix the merrier.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, we'll take Verlander.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is someone really named Heyman?
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Jul 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna take Barton the way home from work, but it got stuck on its way up a Cahill. I had to Bailey out of there and walk; it was the Wuertz! My Hairston was soaked from sweat, but I stole a Petit Gio from the curb and bought a Powell for a Buck so I could dry off. How the Ellis this possible?
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons, until Beane gave up on Gallagher. It makes sense though...Gallagher = Player To Be Named Later = me!
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need a Holliday.
Formerly Gallagher's Watermelons, until Beane gave up on Gallagher. It makes sense though...Gallagher = Player To Be Named Later = me!
by Player To Be Named Later on Jul 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or to just go down to the precinct and Springer
Get ‘er Outman — there’s your ride and your companionship, Nomar problems.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal said that the Tigers talks went nowhere
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
by hero66 on Jul 23, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden
I don’t want to trade Braden. It has nothing to do with value — I can see that he might well be a good candidate in terms for what we might get in return. It’s just that I think he’s really cool and want to keep him, even if there is a good offer. Sometimes that matters to me more than the deal. (I felt the same about Swisher.)
I can’t think of anyone else on the current team I feel that way about. There are several where I don’t think a trade makes sense value-wise, but none I’d be opposed to dealing if the offer were right.
I’m not thrilled about Wallace, but I think there’s bound to be a good enough deal to warrant trading Holliday somewhere, so I’m eager to see him go. I’m hoping for a decent deal on O-Cab as well. Wuertz and Hairston I think are worth keeping, but if the offer is good enough, sure, let them go, too. I’m fine with trading anyone in the bullpen, including Bailey.
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by iglew on Jul 23, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't trade Braden...
he needs to peak in perceived value, not just real value, meaning that he needs to be 12-3 with his peripherals, rather than 6-7 or whatever he is…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden is the A's bulldog
It would be completely stupid to trade your #1 starter unless it was for a great package of players. That package is not enough. The A’s need Braden to take pressure off Anderson/Cahill/mazzaro.
by Arcman on Jul 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the perception that the A's have "plenty of starting pitching"
is not true. They may have just enough if the guys up right now stay healthy. They’re not all going to be healthy studs.
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by Nico on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you guys would do Holliday for Reid Brignac
but how about Braden for Reid Brignac?
The reason I bring this up is it looks like because of payroll restrictions the Ray’s are going to miss out on the Halladay/Lee sweepstakes. I think the Ray’s would make this deal if they get shut out of the others. I would hate to lose Pepe but RB is the real deal or so they say. We could even add Wuertz for some prospects, (as I hear they are looking for bullpen help). What do you think?
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by adragon on Jul 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the Rays doing that.
If you wanted to go young and unproven you have Price and Davis to start why trade one of your best chips for Braden?
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would do Holliday for Reid Brignac?
My understanding was that he’s a step below Wallace in projectability.
by cityplANner on Jul 23, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do that. No way.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me neither.
maybe O-cabs/Wuertz+cash for Brignac or summthin like that.
Though that’s probably not enough.
by cityplANner on Jul 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure they need a crappy shortstop.
Wonder if they’d take a reclamation flyer on Casilla though.
I’m not nearly as high on Brignac as I was before though. At all.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my thinking was to slide him to 2nd if they aren't sold on zobrist
That ship has probably sailed already. We shoulda struck with the iron was hot and Iwamura’s ankle was swollen.
by cityplANner on Jul 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His defense got very very good and he bounced back with the bat. I didn't use to be a fan but Im warming up.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braden for Brignac?
Fuck no, I’d almost rather re-sign Crosby.
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by grover on Jul 23, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on grover... tell us how you really feel.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might take me a while to come up with a stronger objection
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by grover on Jul 23, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any suggestions
ON what I should do with my Crosby jersey ( i bought it after his ROY season), ??
by hishnik on Jul 23, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you like, 'twas your money spent
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by grover on Jul 23, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I burned my cutler jersey a few months ago
but Crosby is not as hated by AN as Cutler was hated by bronco fans
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Heymans twitter says, La Russa "badly" wants Holliday for the 4 slot in their lineup.
Pressure from Tony to get the deal done?
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It got Jocketty booted Mozelick surely knows where the power in the organization rests
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jocketty got booted for a different reason
He got booted for not agreeing with Scouting Vice Prez Luhnow who is in charge of the drafts and farm system
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been vocal about the team needing "a bat" for a while
Could be his last year.
by JetSam on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading those trade offers
I can safely say you are no Beane.
by Arcman on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Stone says it looks like Holliday to Cards is happening...
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BRETT WALLACE BETTER FUCKING BE THERE.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the trade
I didn’t bother looking at the twitter.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah
all i’ve seen says straight up Holliday for Wallace.
i asked tim dierkes if he’s heard anything else, but i doubt he’ll respond.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the deal, I don't like it.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a lot
If we are going to take a loss on this trade we might as well get a guy I like cough Frazier cough
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh I really want Frazier.
everytime you mention him I want him more and more.
Go Rutgers
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean if were getting shit from the Cards I really think we need to go to the Reds and say...
You would be contenders if you got Holliday well make it worth your wild for Frazier and Valiaka. Hell well even solve your black hole at SS for FREEZIES!
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish, but it looks like Wallace is it right now.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny,
Cards fans are in agony about losing Wallace for “2 month of an underperforming OF”, and AN is calling Holliday for Wallace straight up “not enough”.
I guess that means it’s a pretty even, good trade to do.
by cityplANner on Jul 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is actually a pretty funny comparison, but I would just really love Frazier.
Nothing against wallace, but i love frazier
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I'd agree
But I have a feeling the Cards are over rating Wallace and underrating Holliday.
But then, I’m sure they’d say the inverse of us. But I think we have it right. AL → NL switch would benefit Holliday, he re-gains motivation to play (hello, pennant race), and Brett Wallace…well, we’ve discussed him ad nauseum for the last year.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cards fan
I would say yes we are overvaluing Wallace. But Wallace is still under team control for another 6 years vs 2 months of Holliday
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
hasn’t frazier been solely playing left this year
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but he is still a better defensive 3b than wallace.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus frazier is six months older than wallace
and a level lower
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by flipgatey3 on Jul 23, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if its one for one, Wallace for Holliday, I would much rather have Frazier and other pieces, like
valiaka and bailey. There is no doubt that Wallace is a better hitter than Frazier but todd is a much better defensive 3b, and he can stay there long term, where Wallace is almost guaranteed to have to switch to 1b/dh.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if we are talking strictly hitting...Wallace is miles ahead of Frazier.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why pass up on a potential .300/.400/.500/20-30 guy
Just because he might have to move to 1st? Cardenas will be at 3rd anyway, and I’m not so sure he’s much worse than Frazier. I’ll definitely take the impact bat if I have to sacrifice some D.
Plus, Frazier has played 18 games total at 3rd in his MiL career. How do we know he can play 3rd well? Is there a scouting report to back that up?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
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by hero66 on Jul 23, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well its not like Frazier projects to be a horrible hitter, he is just not as highly regarded as Wallace.
And yes it is widely believed he would be an above average 3b, and I believe it because he played a very good SS at Rutgers.
“Frazier lacks the first step quickness and good footwork needed to play shortstop at the higher levels. That said, he is very fundamentally sound. He has good hands and a strong arm, both of which play very well at third base.”
Yea college is different than the majors but I have faith he can play a good third base. Its not like I dislike Wallace, its just that if I could choose I would take Frazier and other players over just Wallace.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick note on Wallace
Wallace is essentially the same age as Aaron Cunningham (he’s 4 months younger — Cunningham turned 23 in April, Wallace turns 23 in a month). People on AN like Cunningham. They want him to have a shot. But I don’t know anyone here who is penciling him in for a .900 OPS with the A’s any time soon — despite the fact that his numbers at AAA are miles ahead of Wallace’s.
Maybe Wallace has a beautiful swing — I admit I’ve never had a chance to see him play. But his AAA stats this year are underwhelming (and, again, not even in the same universe as what Cunningham has done this year, and significantly worse than Barton’s), and when I look at his stats and his pictures I basically see a fat guy who strikes out a lot and has o.k. power.
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by Nick on Jul 24, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather have Frazier
He is IMO the best high level third base prospect in baseball.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know I'm with you there.
lol
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Twitter just slightly more than I hate the St Louis Farm system
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's how the trade will break, of course.
but yes, it’s the herpes of the internet.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM STD category
but he isn’t even a reporter though. They just have monkey’s at mlbtr refreshing legitimate news gatherers websites and rewriting content.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mhm, i know.
but whoever Steve Stone is, he’s self-important enough to block his tweets from public view.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made it up... then I got tested to make sure Im still clean.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
One of the best Jewish American pitchers in baseball history, and ChiSox announcer.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the guy who robbed Mike Norris of the 1980 Cy Young award.
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by Nico on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is St. Louis gonna throw in if this deal goes down??
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by mrod on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay? I don't see Jones in it which makes it a bad deal for us IMO
There farm system is pretty barren especially if Jess Todd is really the PTBNL in the DeRosa deal. Im not a Wallace guy though, which should be pretty well know around these parts.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Wallace plenty, but I think it's a bad trade if it's straight across.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
If its Wallace and Jones Ill understand and tacitly approve of the trade (I just don’t think the Cards are trading their top two prospects)
If its Wallace and Kozma ill understand but not really approve of the deal
If its Wallace and Jay Ill disagree with the trade but not be too upset.
If its Walllace and Motte Ill be pissed and not really understand what Beane was thinking.
Those are kinda the options I see.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are so over valuing 2 months of Holliday
That is mind boggling
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad as it may be
The market probably just isn’t what we, or Billy, hoped it would be.
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by walk off bunt on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In which case, you keep Holliday.
Then you offer him arbitration. What’s the worst case scenario there? You get Matt Holliday for another season at about $15-16M? He declines and you get draft picks?
Either scenario is likely more valuable than just Brett Wallace alone.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I endorse this statement
Signed
DFA
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ludwick as a secondary piece?
Wallace is the obvious guy who HAS to be there. Ludwick would actually be a very nice secondary piece. Plus what would they do with him or Ankiel if Holliday went to STL? Bench? Can Ludwick play RF?
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by vignette17 on Jul 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes he can play RF
and I don’t think they want to fill two starting OF positions next year and Ludwick is cheap and under control. I don’t think they give up on him. But I really like a Ludwick Hairston Buck/Sweeney/Cunningham OF.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd throw in Sweeney/Buck if a deal included Ludwick
Supposedly the Cards had interest in Sweeney in an alleged failed Harden deal last year. Just saying.
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by vignette17 on Jul 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh. Id rather have Sweeney than Ludwick
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Ludwick is what Sweeney dreams of being
I’d do it in a heartbeat
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit my bad guys.
I read that as Ankiel, i have no clue why. I was at work and rushing.
But yes, i would rather have ludwick.
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by winchester5 on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Heyman
SI_JonHeyman
1.
rumor is #cards may want #a’s to pay money to cover brett wallace’s $1.8-mil ’08 bonus. plus, holliday makes $13.5 mil.5 minutes ago from web .
Hrmmmm…..
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, WHAT?
I sure hope they’re kicking in more than just Wallace if it’s for Holliday AND cash.
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by mikev on Jul 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
today, they might not be
but give Billy time to work his magic.
by noava22 on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We better be getting Jones and Todd if were picking up $$$
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope it's not Holliday for Wallace straight up.
Although I like the idea of Wallace. I just don’t think that’s enough. I think Billy should give a call to Brian Sabean before he finalizes any deal. Sabean might be out of a job if he doesn’t make the playoffs, and he might be willing to overpay to make it.
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by travdog6 on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you might be right
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 23, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know since I don't like the Giants primary prospects it would be a good political deal for Sabean
I mean if Beane takes you to the cleaners with a Alderson AnVil package you don’t look so hot. Good news for Sabean I think that Alderson and AnVil are overrated and would much rather have Crawford et all secondary position prospects. I think they will turn out better.
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by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane has the leverage on this one
Beane does not have to deal Holliday at all while the Cardinals really want to acquire a bat…advantage Beane!
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GM of the Phillies Ed Wade said the price was too much
But Zito was offered to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Michael Bourn, Ryan Madson, and Chase Utley, I wonder if it would have been turned down if it was a staight exchange for Utley
by hishnik on Jul 23, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zito for Utley straight up
Is a lopsided deal for the Giants. What was Sabes smoking?
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we didnt trade him for
prospect Lastings Milledge, 2006 was the last year we had a shot
by hishnik on Jul 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was back in 05'(?)
I remember the Zito for Utley rumor well.
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by WiscoFan on Jul 23, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This deal was offered
During Zito’s last year with Oakland
by hishnik on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New FanShot posted...but is it true?
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Jul 23, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a press release, it's a blog post by some cubs fan
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by mikeA on Jul 23, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not.
Straight up? Whoever wrote that should be shot, hung, electrocuted, and left for vultures on the African safari
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it's called a fanshot
The fan who posted it should be shot.
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by Nico on Jul 23, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow
that’s hardcore!
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by micdog2001 on Jul 23, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Brewers deal Escobar for a package revolving around Braden.
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by WiscoFan on Jul 23, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They don't even want to deal him for Halladay
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by hero66 on Jul 23, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From someone on mlbtraderumors
apparently an A’s source from another message board says this will be a 4-5 player deal.
That A’s have liked Todd/Boggs in the past. Cards are also looking at relievers on the A’s 40 man roster
by Orodawg on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That will be Melissa over at Scout
I’d expect the reliever being discussed is Wuertz
by DeJay on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN IS REPORTING DEAL IS ALMOST DONE FOR HOLLIDAY TO CARDS
for BRETT WALLACE, OF SHANE PETTERSON and RHP CLAYTON MORTENSON. DFA who are pettrson and mortenson?
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya I looked him up and the lack of power
is concerning. The article i read said he struck out a lot but i trust sickels more.
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Jul 24, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how someone is not coming back with Holliday
Mort also has real value
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get two additional
players in addition to Wallace from the Cards is excellent. Mortenson & Petterson aren’t chump change. These are two servicable players. If there are no additional players from the A’s, the A’s did great. Every report from everyone else said it would be a straight up trade of Wallace for Holiday.
Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.
by alpine26 on Jul 24, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
all the a's have to do is kick in money. i like it.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN just said it is a done deal
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 24, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OCab to the twins? Hopefully
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jul 24, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Cab to Minnesota/Boston
Wuertz will be the real surprise. He’ll get a pretty nice haul, Beane doesn’t have to trade him and he’s the best middle relief guy (debateably ) on the market. Sources within the A’s are surprised how much demand there is for Wuertz. This could work to our advantage.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again."
- Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
by Orodawg on Jul 25, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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