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Memo To Brett Anderson: Even Perfection Would Only Get You A Fricking Tie

Brett Anderson retired the first 20 batters he faced, and at that point the game was tied. He left after 8 innings of 2 hit shutout mastery, and at that point the game was tied. It has reached the point of absurdity, where an A's starter could throw a perfect game and expect a no-decision.

Finally, in the 10th inning off of Andrew Bailey, Bobby Abreu -- the same guy who had broken up Anderson perfecto in the 7th with a single to LF -- launched a solo HR to provide the game with its only run. Oakland had 4 hits, all singles, in 10 futile innings against Lackey and Fuentes.

What made the biggest impression on me, besides Anderson's sheer magnificence? Earlier today, I watched the Giants close out a tense 4-3 win that ended just as the A's game was starting. As Brian Wilson tried to get the final strike, the cameras showed the Giants' dugout where every player was standing on the front step, rooting Wilson on and getting ready to come on the field to celebrate a win.

Flash forward to the bottom of the 9th of the A's game, with Kennedy at third base in a 0-0 game, two out and Matt Holliday batting with a chance for a walk-off hit. The cameras showed the A's dugout, where every player was sitting on his ass, just staring out at the field. It's really no wonder this A's team finds every way to lose, and can't get over the hump, as this team has no soul. None.

What it does have is some outstanding young pitching and it was on display this afternoon. Early in the year, Cahill had the better numbers but I thought Anderson was by far the superior pitcher. And as the cream rises and the sludge sinks, it is becoming clear that Cahill has a lot of work to do, Mazzaro is very raw, but Anderson is the real deal and he's ready now. He has thrown 21 consecutive scoreless innings, and if the A's can just get three hitters and one soul, they might even be good sometime soon.

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I'm tired of Lackey

I’m tired of this offense.

I’m tired of this team not getting up and showing support for their teammates in some way. I’m not asking for cheerleaders. I’m asking for people who look like they’re there for each other.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

How about guys who, as veteran "role models,"

run to first base after swinging at a pitch in the dirt, so the catcher at least has to make a throw — rather than Cabrera letting Mathis follow him halfway to the on-deck circle to tag him out because he wasn’t even running.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think Geren will bench Cabrera?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 19, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I don't see that one as being as big a deal as some others are

The ball was about four feet away. Even if Cabrera goes toward first it’s still right where he can be tagged out. I get the “make the catcher make the play” idea but we’re not talking about a ball that even went anywhere.

In other words, I’ll find something more important to complain about.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does that make it ok

for him to throw a tantrum and throw his bat into the seats on PURPOSE???

That show a lot of class & veteran leadership.

I’m sure both you & Geren will both find away to spin that positively.

Loves those little teams that can.

by SwisherGirl33 on Jul 19, 2009 5:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, it doesn't

But I can separate one action from another. I would never defend a player throwing a bat into the seats, whether you want to lump me in with Geren or not.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I however did support Tejada throwing ALL of his bats into the stands…

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on how it's done

If I remember right, Tejada just lobbed his over the dugout. I didn’t see what Cabrera did so if he flung the thing, that’s a little different.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see it today either.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OCab also just lobbed it over the dugout

And it was easily scooped up by a little kid

I'm a happy seal

by SwisherThresher on Jul 19, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awwww. Cabbers!

I thought he had probably leapt into the stands and taken a “HR swing” at a premature baby’s head. This is much better.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes it easier to accept, then

The way others were talking about it, he flung it into the seats as hard as he could.

Then again, maybe that was as hard as he could.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was too far away to see if the kid caught it cleanly

But what if the kid HAD NOT been paying attention. I’ve sat behind the dugout more than a few times, and the last thing I expect is a player to toss his bat into the seats as he was walking into the dugout.

Loves those little teams that can.

by SwisherGirl33 on Jul 19, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds like you were also too far away...

…to know whether or not Cabrera made sure the kid WAS looking before tossing the bat up.

I think it’s dangerous to throw around too many assumptions without knowing exactly what happened. I don’t.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

OW!!!!!!!!!

Someone just hit me on the noggin with an assumption they were throwing around. Jerk.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've defending him all day...

… so of course your going to keep defending him.

IF he made sure the kid was paying attention great, but he can’t control the other people in the area. We all know how crazy people get over a foul ball, let alone a bat going into the stands… And I happen to know people that sit next to where the bat went into the stands, and they said it caught them totally of guard.

Cabrera could of waited until after the game and politely handed his bat to a fan.

And with that I am done arguing over something that if an opposing player had done, everyone on this site would be all over that player for a move like the one Cabrera made today.

Loves those little teams that can.

by SwisherGirl33 on Jul 19, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm trying to make sure the information is accurate

If that’s a problem for you, I’m sorry. I’m not going to sit here and jump to conclusions like you and others are content to do.

You’re still making assumptions, even at the end.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was the roid rage.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

by ZacharyCF on Jul 20, 2009 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to jump in here...

But I was sitting right there, there was eye contact, a head nod and a gentle lob to someone’s waiting outstretched hands. Certainly not a tantrum and and a wild throw into the seats.

by sox1844 on Jul 20, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for clearing it up

This is proof enough of why it’s not a good idea to jump to conclusions and make assumptions, especially if the whole thing wasn’t witnessed.

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by Flashfire on Jul 20, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point I think it's more about the mental aspect and less the literal scenario.

IOW: Where;s OC’s head? In the dugout.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

kofax to drysdale “hey I thew a no hitter today”
drysdale to kofax “did you win?”

by Future Ed on Jul 19, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, uh, we played good defense today.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 19, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Major Props to Anderson

Not for his pitching, which was great, but for not taking a bat and just beating the shit out of his “offense” right there in the dugout. What a joke. I hate Holliday. I hope we don’t trade him so I can boo his worthless ass in KC.

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by sprtsnwyn on Jul 19, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Holliday deserves to be booed

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i disagree

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 19, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good grief

You wanna boo someone? Boo someone who actually sucks, and isn’t just “not living up to our expectations”

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Jul 19, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry. He boos everyone.

He’s an equal opportunity booer.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jul 19, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's NOT the losing

Obviously these pitchers are, each of them, at different (nascent) stages of potential dominance for years to come.

It’s this: that management has perfected a way to play baseball that wouldn’t draw people to come see it even if we were a winning team… that’s the tragedy. Someone in the game threads was saying how they saw 10 pitches that were hittable just be looked at as they went by. If any of you are watching this year and not seeing that players are under DIRECT ORDERS NOT TO SWING WHATSOEVER then you are insane at this point, vats full of Green and Gold Kool-Aid on a Sunday afternoon at Beanestown for you.

Half these dudes wanna swing, so they step out as the pitch is coming like Cabrera does all the time, just to PREVENT THEIR BASEBALL INSTINCTS FROM ENGAGING, because zee Fuhrer of Patience up in the skybox pulling the puppet strings says WAIT.

What you see here is a philosophy gone Dogma, where “the way” has become the end and is no longer the reasonable means it used to be.

They must sell it. Anyone have tens of millions of dollars to contribute? I got 5 on it, fo’ sho’, a down payment on a Soul.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Cust looking at strike 3 in his first at bat

made me want to reach thru the TV and strangle him.

That pitch said “HIT ME”

He knew it to because he swung early in time.

A’s hitters in general are ass backwards and they try to back their way on base. If the pitch is there then hit it.

I could care less if they have a 3 pitch inning. They might actually get a few more hits.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

we need to go back to being kids

when in doubt, go back to how you felt and what you did playing this game as a child, the instinctual.

What I see on the field offensively isn’t tragic because we lose, it’s because we show no love of the game anymore, and our guys look sad and under duress, the victims of a philosophy they didn’t invent that has run wild in the minds of management, IMO.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was fooled by it and was expecting something else he couldn't adjust to?

The way you make it sound with the “I counted 10 pitches today they should have hit out of the park” stuff, you think they can just react to anything in enough time to go yard, no matter what they’re expecting. It doesn’t work that way.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, Flashfire, that Cust was probably looking breaking ball and just got fooled

It’s the rest of emperor nobody’s comment that I think is so right on: “we show no love of the game anymore, and our guys look sad and under duress” To me, that shows bad leadership at work.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

With 2 Ks, aren't you supposed to ALWAYS look fastball and adjust to off-speed stuff?

Isn’t this little league stuff?

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by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the count

If I go 0-2 I’m looking for some sort of junk the pitcher wants me to chase. 1-2, probably 50/50 between junk and a fastball or something around the corners depending on his control. 2-2, either way. 3-2, probably a fastball unless I know the pitcher’s got great command of his other pitches.

In general I think looking for the fastball by default isn’t a bad idea because ideally you won’t be behind in swinging if you do get it, but there are times to expect something else.

Kind of makes me wonder what Holliday is up there looking for with all the problems he’s having with fastballs.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

my point exactly

THANK YOU SO MUCH for getting it.

The Philosophy has trumped basic Little League kids’ stuff, the basics like what you just cited, baseball basics from which all success has flowered for a century-and-a-half has been sublimated here. Players who have played and excelled at this game since they were little children are being coached and told to do things that CONTRAVENE sound, basic baseball motivations as expressed by notables from Connie Mack to Whitey Herzog and back again.

I know when I say it half of you just dismiss it as some sort of outrageous conspiracy theory, but the proof is on the field and in the batter’s box, looking at pitches for the sake of spectatorship and a failed player’s dogma, and we are the laughingstock of the American League for it and no players wanna come here because of it, sorry.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is just getting absurd now

If you think players come to Oakland and radically change their game because Billy Beane says to, you have a lot to learn about professional athletes.

The hitters ain’t good, that’s the problem. That’s Beane’s fault, but crappy hitters not hitting hittable pitches or not swinging outright because of “the philosophy” is absolutely bonkers.

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by walk off bunt on Jul 19, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I too agree

I am just becoming so vanilla pudding about the whole thing. Apathetic Athletics are driving me to my winter hibernation early. I am so very surprised Geren is still at the helm of this team it is really beyond comprehension. Players may play bad at times, but when all of them (minus a very few) are playing bad, well, you have to look at the leadership.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Jul 20, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you're right and he's fooled every damn time

Then it’s just as much of an epic fail by the coaching staff, first by allowing players to egregiously modify vital elements of their structural approach to hitting in the offseason without monitoring or consultation to protect the team’s assets, and then in-season failure by proving unable to help Cust adjust to the adjustment that has been made to him w/2-strikes, which is basically “if this guy swings it isn’t gonna be scary, it will be defensive, so I can beef up and blow his ass away with hard stuff every time.”

Either way, the Patience-for-Patience-sake Billy Brezhnev approach that used to be a somewhat effective means (walk-walk-HR) to the intended end (winning, playoffs, elite status in MLB) has been sublimated by the means (take, take, take), and now the means is all that matters, apparently.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep...

It’s almost as if the organization would be happier with a 12 pitch K than a first pitch HR. I’m exaggerating, but you get my point.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There were two or three hanging off speed pitches

1 to Holliday that he fouled off.

He’s late on every fastball, he gets a breaking pitch and does nothing but foul it off.

I would have to go back on the DVR to see the others.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point is, if it was that easy to just hit a home run every time a fat pitch is thrown...

…you’d see a dozen a game.

We know the A’s offense is worse than even mediocre but remember how little time hitters have to react to pitches, especially when it’s not the one they’re looking for. You HAVE to be able to go up there at least looking for something and be able to adapt to what’s thrown – guessing entirely will almost always fail. The A’s are just bad at pretty much all facets of hitting that don’t involve looking for the walk.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's not enough

to just say we are bad at anything but looking for the base on balls and not go deeper into it and look for reasons why.

When you look at the whole Beane era, offensively it’s always been balanced on the head of a pin with the walk-walk-HR stuff, the let’s-drive-the-pitcher-off-his-focus-by-only-swinging-once-a-count way. The last 3 years you have seen players just come here and collapse offensively… Cabrera especially looks to me like a man under duress in the box, feet moving as the first pitch comes in because he knows it doesn’t please the man upstairs were he to hack instinctually as he used to in other cities where he had success and garnered Championship rings. I see Suzuki do it all the time, check it out next game, watch our guys’ feet and mannerisms as the 1st pitch is thrown.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I highly doubt Cabrera is in the box thinking about what Beane thinks or that AB.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No but there is such a thing as a take sign.

And that quite plausibly does come from organizational philosophy. My problem with emperor’s thesis is this: Why would an organization so hell bent on data and statistical analysis continue to promulgate a losing philosophy? To buy the thesis, you have to believe that Beane first studied the numbers to find that taking pitches increases run production in certain cases, but then tossed away his statistical approach as the evidence came back that his conclusions were faulty. Why would he implement a strategy based in numbers and not actually track the numbers produced as a function of that strategy? I could be persuaded by argument that maybe Beane is too “blinded” by his philosophy to see he was wrong, but I need more evidence than a few anecdotes from a frustrated fan.

by smokelanda on Jul 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not especially convinced that "take a lot of pitches"

is an organizational philosophy. It’s too simple and “one size fits all” for the A’s to glom onto. I think that the better hitters see more pitches because they’re pitched more carefully, and it leads to the perception that the more pitches you see, the better hitter you are — when in fact the cause and effect is more the other way.

I think the A’s know this, and that while all things being equal they’d like to run up pitch counts and so on, they probably believe hitters should look for a good pitch to hit and hit that one. Why they can’t develop more hitters who can actually do this is another matter.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, that would be too simple

If I have data on a Player X showing that, when they are facing a starting pitcher for the third time in a game, they have a tendency to swing on the first pitch and are batting .150 when they do, I might send my third base coach the take signal. In this way, the take signal is attributable to the philosophy of making in-game decisions based on prior data. My point is that, given the A’s penchant for evidence-based decision making, it’s a little bit presumptuous to call a GM out for making decisions that a casual fan has little or no insight into. It doesn’t mean the GM can’t be criticized, it just needs be done with more than what might only be anecdotal evidence, selective memory, salience etc.

by smokelanda on Jul 19, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely think that the patience approach

is part of an organizational philosophy. It’s a huge part of the reason why the Angels give the A’s so much trouble. Their pitchers are very aggressive against the A’s hitters, throwing a ton of first-pitch strikes because they know how rare it is for an A to swing at it.

It’s just time to abandon the obsession with OBP. It worked when nobody knew it was important, but now everybody knows. But since Billy hasn’t proven that he can develop a power hitter to save his life, I don’t know where we turn to next. The stolen base has been making a comeback this season in Oakland… How old is Juan Pierre? (kidding)

As for Holliday, what a freaking joke. It was pathetic how late he was against the fastball today, when Lackey was giving him 90-92 mph. If you’re a former All-star and a supposed power hitter, and you can’t turn on a 90 mph fastball for at least a lineout, you should be ashamed of yourself. And I hope Holliday is.

by darooster on Jul 20, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Recommended.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Bob Geren given his after game speech yet?

I was away getting food.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's face it...

nobody wants Holliday for anything close to what Beane wants in return. Why would anyone want him right now?

Giambi, Nomar, Cabrera, Crosby, and Springer deserve to be DFA’d. Of course, there would be no one to take their places, so we’ll be stuck with them the rest of the year.

The ONLY thing that makes me even think about turning a game on the TV is the young pitching. Even then, the veteran losers on this team cause me to lose interest.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

re

I can’t hate on the A’s for this one. John Lackey was fantastic, and up and down the line the A’s were competing hard in those at-bats. They especially put some nice swings on a few two strike pitches. If you didn’t see that, you weren’t paying attention. The A’s were fighting. Lackey was great though. A lot of times this team gives up and gives in, but not today. And the defense was focused and excellent, and obviously Anderson was fantastic.

I don’t want to pile on Matt Holliday either, as I think a lot of that on AN is silly, but I can’t imagine any scout that watched today’s game reporting back that Holliday should be traded for. I don’t know if he’s just messed up mechanically or what, but his swing was long as hell and slow as hell. Lackey was just abusing him with the fastball.

by AgitationStation on Jul 19, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't wait til the A's start winning again

so there won’t be any “A’s have no heart” rants.

by Future Ed on Jul 19, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Depends what you call winning

if it’s more than 2 games in a row then there may be a problem

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

When things are going well, it's easy to have heart....

The true heart and soul of a team shows through when times get tough. This team folded like a cheap chair.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anderson talking about his performance

said he’s now pitching to both sides of the plate and getting much better results.

Good for him at least. He is a stud.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Caller thinks Billy Beane is overrated

Complaining about him not drafting hitters and that our hitting philosophy is outdated.

I think there are others that would agree with that.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

The hitting philosophy isn't outdated...

the hitters he has on this team just suck.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The philosophy says "walk walk HR"...

well for that to work you need to have people with the ability to hit some HRs. With this team, it’s walk, walk, double play… or walk, walk, pop out… or walk, walk, single.

For the philosophy to work, you need someone who will actually do some hitting once in awhile.

Beane’s lineup is more of a Twins lineup. Single, bunt, SB, infield single, little blooper…

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why they should be

trying to hit the ball and not try to get a walk. I think they try to walk too much.

These guys get in a hole, have virtually no chance of getting a hit but hope the pitcher misses so they can walk.

They are not aggressive enough overall IMO, although of late they are being a little more aggressive these last few games in trying to manufacture runs.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...

the team is made up of Twins-like slap hitters… but is trying to be like the Red Sox-power hitters.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think Giambi and Cust are slap-hitters, the definition needs to be redefined. These guys fit the system fine, they’re just not developing in the ways they should, like, adjusting on a curveball, or, expecting a fastball down the middle on a 2-0 count.

by aseiwert on Jul 19, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

missed saturday and this sunday game

well, guess I did not miss much except the brilliant pitching today. MLB Network is televising the A’s and Yanks this Thursday evening.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll be there Thursday

If you hear a lady screaming at the A’s hitters to score some frickin’ runs, that’s probably me….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 19, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

very good. you flying out there?

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 19, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zing!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM

I’d respond, but this is just way too awesome, I don’t want to mess with it…

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 19, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Screaming for frickin' runs?

That doesn’t sound like a lady to me.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 19, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooo

Sounds like MY kinda lady!

Ooo! Piece of candy!

by ChickenStanley on Jul 19, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, they're televising the Yankees...

…the A’s are merely incidental.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't watch the game

Can someone tell me what Brett Anderson’s fastball was hitting

Stay calm. I'm a relatively respectable citizen -- a multiple felon, perhaps, but certainly not dangerous

by LosAltosA's on Jul 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt Holliday needs to be benched!

Matt Holliday needs to be benched and be left there for at least a week! What an embarrassment to not be able to catch up to a 92 miles-per-hour fastball!

by Rocky632 on Jul 19, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

You can bet that every scout

notices how bad he is.

I would not expect much for him at the moment in return.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is fine

That is probably what is going to happen.

He belongs in the NL

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

at that point

the realization must happen that this management team has the classic King Midas In Reverse touch that Graham Nash sang about, where potential future-HoF’ers have their careers stalled or tanked as soon as they slap on the white cleats. Sooner or later, red flags need to fly.

For me, it’s hard not to feel like this management team is more than content to field a dreadful, utterly inert, more-boring-than-watching-cars-rust-to-the-power-of-watching-paint-dry product for the duration of their stay in Oakland, as punishment because most of the people that live here don’t have no-limit credit cards and condos in the South Bay.

Maybe they should take it up with Al Davis, have a showdown, dunno but something needs to happen or else LW and BB are Kim Jong Il and we (the fans that really care) are the starving North Koreans right about now.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

"punishment because most of the people that live here don’t have no-limit credit cards and condos in the South Bay."

I hope that was a tongue in cheek comment EN. I am a resident of the south bay and I do not in any way fit that description…giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This seems appropriate right now.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 19, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh can you just stop that shit already?

I gave him the benefit of the doubt you drunk ass! :)

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not drunk.

I did a trackday yesterday and it was 102 in the shade, and I’ve been rehydrating for the past 30 hours or so.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 19, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

rehydrating....with what....JD?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, not this time.

Water and gatorade, man. Nothin else.

This was me yesterday. It’s approx. 120F on the track here, and I’m in full leathers!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 19, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

rawr yourself.

Here’s lookin at you!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 19, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

might morphin rAnger

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 20, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You wanna fight?

DO YOU? HUH?

oh, hi :)

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 20, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

FCOTM

(Flow Chart of the month)

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jul 20, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Big Mac for screwing with his swing

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jul 19, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Benching Holliday would be dumb. We’re trying to trade him, so he needs to be out there playing and trying to prove his worth.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 19, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

We need to scare up a witch doctor to help find out who put the punch-n-judy curse on him. Move him to the Giants who really, really need him. Who do you think we could get? Not Baumgartner I’m sure, but maybe Lewis who is in the dog house these days plus a AAA left side infielder. I don’t know their minor system except Baum and Posey.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Jul 20, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Had a few minutes to check out the post game thread

before I go check out the new Harry Potter movie.

Lots of good points by many of you. I can honestly say that this 09’ team has frustrated me more than any in recent memory. The last two years were bad for sure but at least last year the A’s were still with in 3-4 games of 1st place at the All Star Break, IIRC. After that they tanked and Billy dealt Harden and Blanton, thus continuing the reconstruction he head begun before the 2008 season while trading Swish and Haren.

I am not upset about the losing……it’s how this team loses that drives me up the wall. Like Nico, EN, Trainman, etc…myself, many of us here at AN have professed: Where is the spirit? Where is the “bust it till the last out”? The “enthusiasm of never being out of it till the last out is recorded”?

And today just make me that much more upset at how many of the guys on this team are not busting it every time out there….and how the sooner we get to see the kids down on the farm, the better.

-“I’ve seen better daze……” Go A’s!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I want to go watch a couple movies like Harry Potter and Bruno...

…but I’m trying to finish the pics from Portland first. Too many distractions slowing me down!

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harry Potter was awesome by the way!

And want to see Bruno still but I’ll have to wait for another time.

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I went and saw HP tonight too. Excellent.

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 19, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

enjoy the film

I agree, my issue isn’t the losing but that this shit is no longer Oakland Athletics baseball we are seeing, it’s a Frankenstein Monster where certain basic human elements like determination and heart-n-soul are often completely MIA.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Jul 19, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. It's not the losing that gets me, it's this.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would have to disagree on a small point

Beane traded Blanton and Harden, and THEN they tanked. They were right there until those two got traded. Don’t think they would have held on, but the trades occurred before the tank job.

Might as well Jump! - Van Halen

by sprtsnwyn on Jul 20, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

When the season started...

…if someone had told me that the pitchers would, as a group, be doing as well as they are, I would have been thrilled. I also would have expected this team to be in contention, especially with all the injuries the Angels have faced..

But this offense is immeasurably worse than I expected it to be. And I second (third, fourth, whatever) all those who say this team has no heart.

Can you imagine wanting to sign with this team if you were a free agent?

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 19, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sure they have heart

but losing takes it’s toll. Had Giambi, Holliday and Cabrera been better, I think things would have a lot different… maybe a .500 record or better. Guys would be having more fun, showing more emotion.

I’ll say it again, the problem with this year’s team isn’t heart or fire or fundamentals…. it’s tallent.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I'll say it again: it's BOTH.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the downside of "veteran" free agency

Yes, a “veteran” presence can add stability and perspective to a young team. If he is not productive, or the team is floundering, however, that same veteran can suck the life right out of a team.

Giambi, Cabrera, Garciaparra and Springer have been around long enough to be able to do the math. Their careers are done, most likely. Even Matt Holliday is calculating how much of the 4 year/$72 million contract he turned down has dissipated with his performance.

This is a tough thing to watch. I hope Holliday is gone at the deadline because I can’t imagine watching him whiff the rest of the season.

"In the first 30 minutes at the table, if you can't spot the sucker, then you are the sucker."

by ptbarnum on Jul 19, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree,

But GM Billy Beane, after a few seasons of this, I’m sure, will revamp his theory on getting veteran guys, at the end of their career, that have a high OBP, and steer towards bringing other guys up. If the A’s can half-ass develop some disciplined hitters in their system, they’ll win the West every year; their pitching development/talent is just flat-out phenomenal.

by aseiwert on Jul 19, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't his big thing, after the last two seasons,

that the A’s needed to focus on health? Then he adds Nomar and Giambi, and depends on Chavez. That worked out nicely.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today was mostly good

Not to sound like Bob Geren, but today was actually more of a sucess than a failure… it was frustrating as hell… but there was more good than bad.

Since the A’s aren’t going anywhere this year it’s better to lose 1-0 with Anderson dealing than to win 7-6. The key to this year is deleloping the young pitchers. Hopeuflly, Cahill, Mazzero and Gonzalez will improve. If all of the young starters finish the season with decent numbers… ERA around 4.00, I would feel good about next year.

 Holliday, Giambi and Cabrera have been a disaster but they won’t be here next season. Beane and Co will have some money to spend in the offseason. Hopefully, they’ll strike gold like they did with John Jaha and Frank Thomas. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Excuse me but,

What the eff happened!?

100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.

by fruitattack on Jul 19, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Rajai

I would dlike to see Rajai play more. What are the chances that could happen in the second half?

by Graybeard on Jul 19, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Part of the problem with the A’s this year is that Davis has had to play FAR too much.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jul 19, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s been really hot in July.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 19, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Rated-R Superstar meant that

Holliday has looked especially sexy to him this month.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but Asomugha throwing out the first pitch was sexy.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 19, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not a coincidence that the A's play with more life when Rajai's in the line-up

Statistics don’t show energy or heart. They don’t show the enduring effect of a good manager vs a bad manager. They don’t show intangibles.

But that doesn’t mean that energy or heart don’t exist. That there are good managers and bad managers. That intangibles don’t play a role in not only a team’s won-loss record, but in the statistics of individual players.

When Brett Anderson, or any pitcher, is in the zone, the players should be jumping up and down off the bench. They should be rooting for him to get the win, the shutout. Here’s a guy who really has a chance to be rookie of the year if he continues to pitch like this - really - but he needs to win games to do so. That might not be fair, but that’s how it plays.

I’m sick of this shit.

by richwol1 on Jul 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stats don't show everything?!? Blasphemer!!!

If it can’t be measured and plugged into a spreadsheet, it doesn’t exist.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when....

…Beane brought in this store bought, known quantity offense so stuff like THIS would never happen???

We have to bring the fences in, put seats in the foul ground, do whatever we can to make this park more hitter friendly. No one can hit in our abomination of a park.

by PL78 on Jul 19, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Or go back to steroids

There was plenty of offense to go around from the mid 90’s to early 2000’s.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions  

My guess is that steroid-abusing players are currently...

undervalued by the market.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 19, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steroids and the other PEDs...

have probably made assesing tallent/ future potential more of a guessing game. Maybe Giambi stopped taking HGH just in time to join the A’s this season?

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think it would be easier to predict talent

without PED’s because you don’t get the Brady Anderson effect as much where a player out of nowhere has a 50 homerun season and is suddenly thought of as something he’s not.

With players only being able take their talent as far as their body allows without artificial enhancement I’d think it would be easier to predict what type of player they’d be.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I mean...

is it’s tough because some guys are still taking PEDs and some guys probably just stopped. Before testing there wasn’t much of reason to stop… except health, but no one really knows a lot about that yet..

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congratulations Brett- enough said.

I have no anti-A’s rant, it’s all been said. All I know is Brett Anderson pitched one heck of a game today and should feel very good about his future. Go A’s!

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on Jul 19, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

hell yeah Brett Anderson is the future ace of this pitching staff. Guys only 21 years old and has 21 scoreless innings pitched in his last 3 starts not to mention only 1 run given up over his past three starts totaling up to 26.1 IP of 1 ER ball. That’s future Cy Young numbers right there and the guy is in his first year. It’s only gonna get better from here on out with him, Outman, Mazzaro, and Cahill maturing were gonna have a pitching staff to be reckoned with come playoff time if we get even the littlest bit of run support (hopefully from our minors cuz were not getting it from this level yet)

by GrantGreen13 on Jul 19, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could you hurry up and get to the majors, please?

kthxbye!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nico

Your post definitely had one thing right: the team is just lifeless. In part, that’s because that’s what losing does. But it’s also because the team is rudderless.

I don’t care much if they hang onto him for the year, but Geren has got to go. The A’s have to get someone in here to provide some fire. You know, just the kind of guy many of us have mocked as old-school bullshit. Well, we need that kind of guy. Exhume the corpse of Billy Martin and prop him up in the dugout. Bring in some other tightly wound martinet. Just get someone in who will kick people’s ass.

Another point: I get all the ripping on the vets. They’ve been collectively execrable. As have Cust, Ellis, Crosby, and more. But could we lay off Cabrera. If we were actually any good right now, we’d be saying it was a brilliant pick up as his average continued to climb. Today aside, the guy has been hitting for a while now.

As for Giambi, Garciapara, and Holliday, I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t stand watching their at bats any longer.

Final point: No more Jack Cust. He sadly represents everything that has become wrong with us offensively. I love the Cust story, but I can’t watch another of his torturously predictable and uninteresting at bats.

by RLangford on Jul 19, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't have anything against Cabrera, per se,

just some of the specific things I have seen. Just today, not only did he pout instead of running towards first base after the strikeout, but he cursed under his breath when Gallego gave him the bunt sign, and hurled a bat into the stands after an AB. I suppose I could praise him for showing some fire.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw the bat go into the stands

Since I was at the game, but did that happen to make the the TV broadcast? Or was there any mention of it on the radio?

Loves those little teams that can.

by SwisherGirl33 on Jul 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I didn't know about it until this thread.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cabrera is a short term problem

The guy does display emotions but he’s a mercenary at this point in his career and I doubt he cares too much about a team playing at 380 winning clip. The real problem is who replaces him?

As far as bringing in a old school, yelling manic type for the A’s new manager I disagree. This team needs a manager and coaching staff that can teach the game to the young players and hold them accountable when they screw up but also build them up. To me you want to find the next Joe Maddon not the next Billy Martin. That style of manager doesn’t work with modern athletes.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

I’m actually not big on “yell and screamers.” I think Pinella makes a buffoon of himself when he has one of his tantrums. Two good mantras:

“Speak softly and carry a big stick.”

“Actions speak louder than words.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nico,

You can’t really have it both ways. You aren’t going to get the life you want without someone demanding a little more of the team. You were out front praising the Sweeney benching. So you definitely what someone to kick a little ass. Pinella is a straw man in the argument I’m trying to make. I don’t want him. I would absolutely like someone who, like Billy Martin, demanded these players be who he told them they could be. (I realize after two years, that stops working.) I would take Scoscia gladly.

by RLangford on Jul 19, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh? I think our wires are crossing

I’d take Scioscia in a NY minute, and I want exactly what you’re saying you want: someone more demanding, someone who holds players accountable and has high expectations.

I’m just saying you don’t need to throw your hat around, and take bats to water coolers, in order to do that — and that in fact throwing your hat around and gyrating like a petulant 5-year old doesn’t really convey the gravitas I’d like my manger to have.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, we agree then

Can we get Billy Beane to agree as well?

Any thoughts on Cust and the whole A’s approach in general? I’m pretty much done with both.

by RLangford on Jul 19, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the A's hitters' problem is as simple as

“They take the first pitch too much” or “They hack too much,” in that they seem to vacillate, almost in a desperate-reactive way, between the two. I think the problem is that the A’s hitters, besides being untalented as a group, don’t tend to be resourceful about looking for opportunities.

Look at how many times the Angels bunted on Kennedy — and how it forced him to play close, which in turn opened up the left side of the infield for the hitters. The A’s don’t tend to cross up defenses — they are really easy to defend because you can play deep on the infield, shift the OF, and pretty much let the A’s hitter play pepper with you.

I like Cust, circa 2008. He just should have been a #2 hitter whose main attribute was getting on base and who would supply 30 HR power along the way, and he should never have been asked to hit in an RBI spot or to change the one approach that worked well for him.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Cust, circa 2008. He just should have been a #2 hitter whose main attribute was getting on base and who would supply 30 HR power along the way, and he should never have been asked to hit in an RBI spot or to change the one approach that worked well for him.

+1

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the ideal #2 hitter

Walks and shots. I’m just wondering if his at bats are at all interesting, and this is a fair question because you can still be entertained even if you follow a 90-game losing team.

Cust, beyond not being any good, has just stopped being entertaining.

by RLangford on Jul 19, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find his walks more entertaining than his strikeouts

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya maybe it's because I'm a teacher

and have done some coaching but yelling and being a jackass is not a good way to motivate people for the long term. It may work in short bursts if people fear you but it rarely lasts. Look at how many teams Martin managed. He didn’t lose all those jobs for being a drunk.

As far as Pinella he’s way overrated in my book as he hasn’t even won a pennant in 19 years. I can’t remember who did he beat in 1990? I seem to have blocked the memory out.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, the next Joe Maddon

Just someone with life, someone less laid back. I’ve mocked the Angels’ manager for year, but the guy gives the team an identity and a philosophy that over the long haul seems to improve their play. We need something like that. We need someone to give us some life.

by RLangford on Jul 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a big O-cab fan, but I enjoyed watching him curse at Gallego.

He pulled back the bunt on the first pitch, so that he was in a hitter’s count. On the second pitch he made Gallego go through the signs twice, as if to say, “Are you fucking serious? We need hits, not outs,” then he muttered something under his breath and laid down a perfect bunt.

To me that was the offensive high light of the game.

Bob Garen is incontinent

by Aufheben on Jul 19, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose I shouldn't criticize it and in fact should praise it,

in that he showed some fire. Every starter wants to stay in and every batter wants to hit. My gut reaction was that it wasn’t a “team player” thing to do, but upon reflection it’s on par with Outman being ticked about getting pulled from the game — you have to like it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt the exact same way today when that whole thing went down.

Mr. Team guy rah-rah during interviews showed some of his true colors today with those shennanegins…..I can’t see how any fan of the game could appreciate that kind of juvenile behavior from a professional baseball player. Especially on a team that really doesn’t need any more negativity from it’s own players that are supposed to provide “veteran leadership”….

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 19, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno....

I’m still on the sidelines about this particular incident. I like the thought that at least someone on the team is frustrated and furious about the way the season is going. I don’t mind seeing an emotional outburst that lets me know that someone on the team feels the same way that I do.

To be honest, I’m thinking that I like Ocab a whole lot more.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jul 19, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

“the team is just lifeless”

Plenty of life in the pitching, I think you meant our horrific offense.

by PL78 on Jul 19, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least Im Okay about the Haren Trade Now

Anderson is the real deal. He looks to be a future ACE.

After watching Holiday this week, I am convinced no ball club will deal with BB. I just hope we can capitalize on the draft picks.

by hishnik on Jul 19, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

It's pretty amazing to me to see Holliday challenged with fastballs,

and swing through them, so regularly. I never expected that.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Holliday in New York

Maybe just maybe Holliday can get hot in that bandbox they call the new Yankee Stadium and he can jack a few out on the east coast and get some of the big boy teams interested in him.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

When a pitcher...

suddenly looses velocity, it seems like there’s usually an undetected injury. Remember when the A’s first got Loaiza and he was horrible… throwing an 85mph fastball. After a trip to the DL he came back throwing low 90s and had a great run for a month or so.

Maybe something’s wrong with Holliday? Or maybe it’s just Coors field. He’s hit several fly outs to right field that would have been gone in Denver. I can’t make up my mind. I don’t buy, for one second, that he doesnt’ care.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a bit much to blame it all on McGwire as well

Holliday is having a below par season at a bad time for us A’s fans and for his checkbook. Who knows maybe he’s hurt maybe he doesn’t like the A.L. or maybe he’s just having one of those years. The clear fact is he doesn’t look like he wants to be here and if he can be traded I hope he’s gone.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it is too much to blame on that new stance he had. When he changed back, his OPS went up 200 pts, and has stayed right there.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So it couldn't be that he heated up and got more used to the A.L.

And how come he didn’t hit a homer for a month with his new stance? Blaming McGwire is easy because he’s become a pariah.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

uhh I still like McGwire. Never disliked him, and I couldn’t care less about him using steroids. But thanks for telling me why I have my opinion.

That being said, the new stance Holliday used was terrible for him. As soon as he changed back, he became the hitter he had always been. If i have to find a reason for that, I’m going to use the most likely culprit…the batting stance he’d never used before.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not telling you anything chri5

I used a question mark. I’m asking a question because I think it’s simplistic to blame Holliday spending a little time with McGwire and this being the cause for all his faults. I just think there is more to the story.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blaming McGwire is easy because he’s become a pariah.

No question mark.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how come he didn't hit a homer for a month with his new stance?

There’s your question mark and it was about his stance that your blaming McGwire for. But let’s not fight about grammar. Your puting more blame into the stance then I am no biggie.

by sirbed on Jul 19, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I see,
Your puting more blame into the stance then I am no biggie

I can see why you don’t want to fight about grammar.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

and you look like good diction!

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the whole blaming McGwire thing is more of a joking way to say that Holliday’s new stance was an abortion.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

"abortion" or "abomination"?

It certainly caused him to hit poorly, but I don’t think it terminated any pregnancies. Might have, though — it was that bad.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has definitely lost several HRs to "not being at Coors"

At the same time, I don’t believe he could have swung through so many hittable fastballs prior to this season. So to me, the “Coors factor” is that he would have several more HRs playing for the Rockies, but would still be performing only as an “ok hitter” and not a “go to hitter” overall.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Did Big Mac

Do to Holiday last offseason? IT is shocking to have watched him struggle all year.

by hishnik on Jul 19, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't get all the Holliday hate...

Let’s look at his performance by month – (avg/obp/slg/ops)
April – 240/288/360/648 <——Blame Big Mac
May – 291/416/456/872
June – 280/374/440/814
July – 313/407/458/865

He went back to his original batting stance on 4/30, and has been the player we expected since. If you thought he wouldn’t see a drop off in raw numbers moving from Coors to the Coliseum, then you shouldn’t talk about baseball anymore.

If you had told me prior to the season that Holliday would post an 850 OPS as an A, I’d be okay with that.

If you prefer wOBA (which you should) he is currently posting a 360 including his terrible April numbers, which I think should be excluded based upon the fact that his process (batting stance) was totally different.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Statistics always screw up..

a good rant. But what bothers me, and others, is how he seems overmatched by fastballs. Has that always been the case? I know Lackey throws a good cutter, so that might explain the wiffs on outside corner heat today.. but in general, he looks a little tardy on anything above 90mph.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on fangraphs, he does appear to be doing worse against FBs…

However, they don’t have it broken out by month, so I don’t know how much of that is driven by the month of April.

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

last year 31.8 runs above average on the fastball
this year 1.6

thats odd.

by Future Ed on Jul 19, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this is speculative and simplistic,

but I wonder if Holliday has had a vision test recently. When a hitter needs glasses/contacts, does it affect his ability to hit fastballs or breaking balls more?

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing...

.. but I didn’t get to see him much when he was with Colorado so I can’t really compare anything

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t find anything saying if they are adjusted for ballpark or not. So that may play a factor…

by chri5 on Jul 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyway know offhand

How many fastball’s Holiday has hit for HR’s this year?? I can only recall off-speed HR’s for most of the year. I would be interesting to see a break-down.

by hishnik on Jul 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Remember Johnny Damon?

He had a horrible year for the A’s, then went on to several good ones for Boston and New York. Like I said before, sometimes the A’s are lucky and sometimes they aren’t.
The media haled Beane as a genius when he made the Damon trade. It looked great on paper. Maybe JD didn’t like the west coast?

I fualt BB for a few things but not Holliday. That trade gave us hope for a decent year. I like a GM who thinks short term and long term at the same time. He saved a little money by trading Haren, Blanton, Harde and Swisher and decided to spend it on good middle of the order hitter. I hope he does something similar next year.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel the same way -- I fault Beane for some aspects of the 2009 debacle,

but Holliday’s lack of “really good”ness isn’t one of them. Beane had every right to expect Holliday to be more of an “impact player” than he has been.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Johnny Damon trade was still great.

We gave up Ben Grieve, Angel Berroa, and A.J. Hinch, to get back Johnny Damon, Cory Lidle, and Mark Ellis. Even if Damon counts for zero, that’s still a bargain.

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by iglew on Jul 19, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly, its the Colesium that just is a killer on hitters. Dye pretty much sucked (compared with his career years in Chicago) here as well.

by PL78 on Jul 19, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does that explain disappointing road numbers?

It’s not like Holliday, Giambi, and Cabrera have been “everything we hoped” when hitting on the road.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that the, "veterans" we brought in have been the biggest disappointments

I am hoping Orca stays hot so we can trade him, (with or without Holliday) for something. As for G & Nomar I believe they should both be released as we have guys at Sac that can do the same/better an upgrade in defense & it won’t cost us as much. You also get the bonus of seeing who is ready for next year, (as this year is a loss).

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by adragon on Jul 20, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it the hitting philosophy?

I mean, I get that the A’s teach patience and that it’s good to work the count. Make the starter throw lots of pitches so we can get into the pen. Wait on your pitch and then nail it, etc. etc.

The problem is, out hitters get their pitch and promptly foul it back to the screen. Can it be that the fundamental problem with A’s hitters is that “selectivity” has become the goal rather than a means to an end?

Do we actually have a hitting philosophy within the organization?

All I have is questions. And rage. Lots of rage.

Whom shall we blame for this morass? Can we string them up?

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by alox on Jul 19, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Why would you not dive to save a perfect game?

Is anyone else as pissed off as I am that Cabrera didn’t dive to save a perfect game? I mean I know that it would have been a difficult play to make, but the kid is trying for a perfect game, as a teammate you are suppose to do all you can to preserve that, not to mention its a 0-0 game in the 7th inning.

by jferraiolo on Jul 19, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It wasn't really getable

And if a SS successfully dived and got it, it’s still an infield hit for Abreu.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think you dive. Period. You never know.

Perfect game, no-hitter, late innings, the pitcher deserves a dive. Even if it is 100% for show. And it’s not like he was an outfielder that could have cost his team a double/triple and the game. Infielder = dive.

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by baseballgirl on Jul 20, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

For show, symbolically, I can see

“Because he could reasonably hope to get an out,” I don’t think.

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Agree with JF

Ocab should have at least made an effort with a perfect game at stake. He wasn’t that far from the ball. And yes there is 99% chance that he would not have made the play. But come on…he should have at least tried for his teammate. I suppose that what you get when you have a player that is just playing for his next contract and really doesn’t give a crap about his team.

by EastbayBen on Jul 19, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love it when people assume things like this

Well, no. I really don’t because it’s absurd, especially if you stop and think about how earlier in the season Cabrera was the one who called a players-only meeting to try to fire everyone up.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the A's played a good game today.

I was surprised to find all the rage on the wrap-up thread here. Lord knows there have been plenty of other days where the team looked godawful, but today I thought they played well but came up short in a nail-biter.

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by iglew on Jul 19, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

It's the absolute misery....

that is the A’s offense that is the catalyst for all outbursts of fury. That coupled with the fact that young Mr. Anderson pitched the game of his life and his teammates expressed their gratitude by throwing up a big fat goose egg for him.

We love Mr. Anderson because he is good and wholesome and doesn’t suck the life from our very bones. He deserved so much more than he got from our hitters.

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by alox on Jul 19, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's a cumulative effect, iglew

Weeks and weeks of misery over and over, and then Anderson nearly throws a perfect game and the A’s can’t score even a lousy run in 10 innings. It’s stopped being rational. JUST SCORE SOME RUNZ SOMEHOW!!!111

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine

how Harvey must have felt.

Your points are dead-on, Nico (though I could have gone w/o the comparison to the Giants). I was thinking the same thing as they showed the lifeless A’s in the dugout. Let’s not forget though that the guy throwing for the other team was no slouch either, as much as I hate to admit.

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by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 19, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's unpopular to say 'round these here parts,

but the Giants have kind of saved the season for me. I need the adrenaline rush of each pitch mattering, and Giants games — with SF neck and neck with several teams for the Wild Card — have that energy. Plus, “Panda” rocks.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think my heart just cracked.

I hear ya, Nico. Can’t say I share the same sentiment, but yeah.

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by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 19, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

....

Here ya go.

Have fun.

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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 19, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's just typicaly a lot more rage over the games it seems like we can/should be able to win

versus the games we have no chance of winning.

Sounds like it was an amazing game, though. Bummed to have missed it.

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by pam5981 on Jul 19, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeesh: "typically"

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by pam5981 on Jul 19, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is....

we had Kennedy at third with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. I felt Ocab’s frustration at being asked to bunt Kennedy over from first with no outs. I shared is his rage that he was being asked to do such a ridiculous thing. I absolutely knew that if Holiday failed to eek out a measly base hit, we were doomed to lose the game.

And we did.

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by alox on Jul 19, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ian Kinsler starts the game with a homer

and wins the game with another homer in the 12th.

Now Minny get their tired asses to Oakland. But I am sure they will be ready to go tomorrow.

Good to see Texas win. Pity they are 3 behind the slegnA but I hope they continue to beat the slegnA when they play them. Anything negative that happens to the slegnA is a positive in my book

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Just imagine had Brett gone all 9 innings with a perfect 27 for 27

and these assholes would have scored no runs for him. SO he does not get a perfect game.

In hindsight, it is just as well Abreu got that hit off him.

Imagine how pissed we would be for the guy to get all 27 outs and have a no decision.

There would however be a few rival GM’s calling Billy and saying something like, “How the hell does a kid get all 27 outs and your team not get one run”

Of course those same GM’s would already know the answer to that question.

My favorite team is a fucking embarrassment to all true A's fans and they make me sick to my stomach on an almost daily fucking basis. But being a true fan, I will ride this pathetic bunch of losers out and hope that they get better in 2010

by Trainman on Jul 19, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, Jered Weaver did pitch a no-hitter and lose last year

I enjoyed that.

In “too bad it wasn’t for Oakland” news, Daric Barton homered for the Rivercats tonight, and Eric Patterson went 3 for 4 with a HR. Yay…

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barton's been raking since they sent him back down

.329 AVG (27-for-82) in 22 games, 9 2B, 7 HR, 22 RBI, 16 BB, 17 K, and high OBP/SLG/OPS as well.

He’s got his stroke back down there, at the very least. Very good sign.

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by Flashfire on Jul 19, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well the A's certainly couldn't use that

And it’s not like they have room for a 1Bman anyway.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to be back in Oakland right now 2 months ago.

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by mikev on Jul 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's more like it, IMO.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would really have hoped he'd be recalled over the ASB

He has nothing to prove in AAA and a lot to prove in the big leagues. What the A’s would lose to let him “fish or cut bait” in Oakland this year, before Doolittle and Carter advance, is beyond me.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am counting down the days until this incarnation of the A's is over (hopefully).

There is no direction for them here on July 19 – they are playing to the market (they’re definitely not playing to their strenghts), and they are sellers.

Cabrera, Giambi, and Nomar have absolutely no business playing for this team in 13 days (they simply don’t have any value to the A’s at that point, whereas their roster spots do), but I’m worried a couple of them will manage to stick around: Beane is fond of Giambi, Geren has decided he hates young people after what the Killer B’s did to him last year, and then there’s Billy’s tacit agreement with short term FAs: that they will have the chance to leave the A’s in a better position than they arrived.

And I also worry that two months is not enough time to evaluate young talent. In their first two months with the A’s Blanton and Swisher were complete failures, while Dan Johnson looked like Pujols.

I would like for a few of the A’s youngsters to be better known quantities heading into 2010. I wouldn’t want to make too many inferences on what type of player Buck is due to his inconsistent playing time. Cunningham, likewise, looked awful at first, but was starting to look a lot more comfortable a few days before getting nailed in the head. And I’d say that it behooves the A’s to know what they have in Everidge – he’s nearing his peak and he’s already responded well to one promotion, so I don’t think giving him a shot in a loosing season presents an overreaction to a small sample size. What I’m interested in with Everidge is whether he can provide the A’s with an adequate 1b/3b until better options arrive: could he be platooned at 1st with Barton or Branyan? Could Everidge and Figgins be an acceptable 1b/3b duo against LHP?

I also wouldn’t mind seeing Sweeney demoted to make room for someone else in August – he’s had a bunch of chances, he’s probably not going to be worth a whole lot this offseason, and he’s 24, meaning the A’s may as well give him some time to develop. If he takes August off it makes room for one of Buck/Cunningham and it allows the A’s to defer action on the Davis question (for depth reasons). If Beane has kept Sweeney around due to his much over-hyped potential, its worth noting that in this scenario Sweeney would still have the chance to prove his detractors wrong by next year’s deadline – the next time he could conceivably have significant trade value.

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by Aufheben on Jul 19, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought it was interesting today -- the Giants announcers

were talking about Bowker starting today’s game, and how Bochy said he really wanted to give Bowker an extended look while he was giving him a look at all. Now if you’ve watched Bowker, he has looked pretty lost most of the time, swinging through breaking ball after breaking ball, but Bochy stuck to his resolve and Bowker rewarded him with a good AB late in today’s game for a key sac fly.

My point is that Buck is a far more promising player than Bowker is — I’d sure rather have Buck — but the A’s have jerked him around a lot instead of finding out what he can do if he’s given a 2-month trial without wondering where he’ll be in a week. And in a lost season, why wouldn’t you at least use the season to find out about Buck and Barton? That just baffles me.

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by Nico on Jul 19, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it either

I know Buck was terrible at the start last season but he came back in September and hit well. The thing I like about him is he’s got 20 HR, 40 2B potential. Even if were to play a full season with something like a .320 OBP, his extra base hits would sure come in handy.

As for Barton, I’m getting ready to join the “he can’t do worse than Giambi” camp.

Overall, I don’t think this team is that far away from being a contender. By the start of next season the A’s could have 4 solid starting pitchers and an even better bullpen. All they would have to do is improve the offense to mediocre and they could be the playoff race all year.

by McBain on Jul 19, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not as bad a game as most

This was my last game this year. I just can’t watch this team anymore and hope for better next year. Actually, I’m thinking by 2011 this team might be playing well again. Anyhow. I thought this was one of the better games I went to this year. Defense was solid. Pitching by Anderson was fantastic. Some impressions.

1) Even on the third time around, the Angels were getting fooled, thinking Anderson’s breaking pitch was a fastball. He looked phenomenal out there.
2) The ump was calling a very, very big strike zone all game which both pitchers took advantage of. One of the reasons the A’s couldn’t hit a thing was that some of those calls for strikes were on unhittable pitches.
3) That said, there is no life on the team. Holliday looks like he desperately wants to be somewhere else. Giambi is trying, but he missed on pitches he would have hit back in the day, and was late on his long fly ball to center; he’s done and someone needs to rip the uniform off his back and call it a career.
4) The A’s need hitting. They need chemistry. Those two are related to my mind. I’m hoping they get both next year.

by rovingralph on Jul 20, 2009 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Nico, this write-up really hurts

I didn’t watch this game, but your entry sums up so much of what is wrong with the A’s the season and except for the promise of the young pitching, makes them close to unwatchable.

Yes, a lot of tangible things need improvement for them to start winning. But several swift kicks in the ass are needed too. Let’s start with “Oh, everything’s just fine!” Geren. Awful, awful stuff.

Our young starters deserve better.

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by kaweahkaweah on Jul 20, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you see Geren's Chronicle quote this morning about how

Saturday’s defense was “a fluke. I think we’ve been playing well defensively for a while”? How long is a while, Bob?

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thankfully, no I haven't

I just hope what Bob says to the press is the complete opposite of what he is telling the players. But I doubt it.

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by kaweahkaweah on Jul 20, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

When was Cust's last start in RF

Talk about a man without a clue. Not even the power of the unicorn can save this team defensively.

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by adragon on Jul 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it but right now Raji & Orca should be batting 1 & 2

They are clearly the two hottest hitters on this team. Bat them 1 & 2 with Hairston 3rd and Holliday 4th.

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by adragon on Jul 20, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Unwatchable.

That term pops up more and more these days.

And yet…we keep watching. ;-)

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by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 20, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

It's the train wreck theory. We just can't look away.

But in all honesty, I am watching much less. If I’m at home, I’ll watch the game on TV, but I’m not going out of my way to make sure I catch every one. I’m happily scheduling other things that conflict with games. The last game I saw in person was when Lincecum beat us at home almost a month ago. I was considering going tonight and tomorrow night, but just don’t want to spend my hard earned money to see Gio get decimated in person.

Plus, it’s hard to post rally pics from the game, even though we do have mobile commenting.

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by pam5981 on Jul 20, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have the season ticket weekend package, (I think it is called Sac Fly)

and boy has it been brutal. I have found myself having allot of, “conflicts” that make me miss the games, (I either sell or give the tickets away). I have found this is a continuing trend that started about two years ago. Before that I made every game I had a ticket for.

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jul 20, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

This may come as a shock.

But I miss a lot of games. This thing called Life. I definitely listen to more games than I watch. And with my 20-game pack being cut in half, I am not seeing as many in person (then how does that explain the 12 games I’ve been to?) But yeah, I haven’t been since the SF series, either.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 20, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Thank you sir, may I have another?"

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jul 20, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 20, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I finally made the move today, this is my last month on MLB.tv.

 I thought that the front office would make a move or two over the Allstar break to make this team more watchable. Its apparent that the A’s are going to be horrible and business as usual for the remainder of the year. So I have decided to spend my money and time on other things in my life.

I am truly grateful to AN though. I can still come get my A’s news(mainly minor leauge reports) from the die hards here.

by asfaninpismobeach on Jul 20, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I did the same thing just this morning... canceled MLB.tv

This team is just unwatchable this year.

Plus, I couldn’t afford to hook it up to my tv like I wanted. But still, if they were at least entertaining I’d watch on the computer more often.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Jul 20, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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