Late-Inning Splurges: Comeback Kids or Much Ado About Nothing?
In life there are dog people and cat people, mustard people and ketchup people, stats people and story people. I'm a story guy. I'm also a story, guy. And every time I go dipping into the numbers side of the pool, I end up like Natalie Wood. (Figure that one is safe since there are only about seven people here who've ever heard of the late actress).
But, see I am nothing if not stubborn, and Mom's words call out to me once more: "When you decide you want something, nothing can stop you." That has actually turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing, but whatev.
There is a point to my rambling, I assure you, and that is I'm going to give this stat thingy another try. But to show that I have learned something, I am going to leave the analysis part up to you smarty-pant types. Not because I am a lazy journalist- I actually invested a decent amount of time in crunching the numbers- but because while I may be a glutton for punishment, I am hardly a fool. Well, not twice a fool anyway.
So without further ado...
Seems to me there have been more than a few comments of late regarding the A's penchant for waiting until the last third of a game to wake up and smell home plate. So Don did some digging and this is what digging Don discovered, you dig?
The A's are actually equal-opportunity scorers. Their 361 runs this season are broken down like this:
118 runs in the first three innings, 114 runs in the middle frames, 119 in innings 7-9, and 10 more when asked to work overtime.
It is Oakland's opponents are who are little more selective on when they score: 153 runs in innings 1-3, 139 (4-6), 96 (7-9), and 13 in extra innings.
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So looking at it another way: the A's find themselves fighting from behind a lot. In innings 1-6 they've been outscored 292-232, while from frames 7-9 they've sent more runners scurrying across home plate than their opponents by a fairly wide margin, 119-96.
So just how many of those late-inning runs have actually meant something? How many were tacked on to a lead, and maybe could have been used for another day (well, of course they couldn't really do that), how many went for naught, and how many were instrumental to victory?
Glad you asked.
Of the 129 runs scored after the sixth, including 10 in extra innings:
- 5 were good enough to pull the A's into a tie, but never the lead.
- 37 gave them the lead (to clarify, if the A's were down 5-0 after six, and scored 7, 6 of those runs would go in this category, because that is what was needed to go in front; the other run would be insurance). The A's have held on to win 13 of 16 games that they forged ahead late.
- 47 were insurance runs, though it should be noted that four of the extra scores were still not good enough for the win, as the A's lost 2 two-run leads, and 1 3-run lead late.
- And finally 40 runs are of the too-little, too-late variety, including two losses where the A's scored 5 or more after the sixth, and still managed to lose.
Other noteworthy items:
- There was an odd 13-game stretch from June 21 to July 8 (not consecutive days, but games of this nature) where the A's scored 25 runs from the seventh on, and none of them did anything but water down the boxscore: 6 runs added to a lead, and 19 others were merely to pretty up long-decided defeats.
- During a 4-game losing streak in late June, the A's scored 15 runs. Only three came before the sixth inning, with the most annoying loss coming against Colorado where the A's struck for 1 in the 7th, 2 in the 8th, and 4 in the 9th, only to fall short, 11-9.
- In fact, of the six games that the A's managed five or more scores in the latter third of the game, only once was it absolutely "necessary" (meaning the other team led by four runs after six), and that came during the second game of the season against the Angels. Two of those late outbursts occurred in back-to-back days against the Rays before the Break, with the A's twice scoring 7 runs from the 7th on.
What does this all mean?
Hey, I'm just a storyteller.
In a few short hours, there will be a game thread. A's-Angels. Braden-Santana. If we achieve nothing else in this maddening season, let's knock the Angels from their lofty perch.
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How dare you 67!
Making such a crack about the water challenged Ms.Wood!!!! Oh and this post had too many numbers in it and know my head hurts. Go Dogs! Go Mustard! Go Stories!
"Joke" from back in the day
Q: What is the only kind of wood that doesn’t float?
A: Natalie!
"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden
(ahem)
Natalie Wood was a wonderful wife,
But Bob Wagner couldn’t find his cute bride.
I guess he thought she was doing the laundry,
Because he saw her go out with the Tide.
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 16, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
tw...
dirty old man?! really?
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 16, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting post, thanks.
This really reinforces how commendable our bullpen is (they’re pretty much the reason why there’s a big difference between the number of runs the A’s score in later innings and the number of runs their opponents score).
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
It’s funny when someone actually breaks down the numbers it isn’t quite what you thought it would be. I tend to only remember the frustrating loses, so in my mind, the A’s only score one run in the first 8 innings and then 2-3 meaningless runs in the 9th just to get my hopes up.
As for the Monte Poole article… I thought it was a cheap shot. Kicking the A’s while they’re down. Oakland has been a terrible team for exactly one calendar year and could find a way to play .500 ball for the rest of this season. I think the future (2010-2015) looks pretty good. Having all those young pitchers will save money that can bring in a few more bats. Harriston is a good start and maybe Buck, Barton, Carter or someone else will be a pleasant surprise next year.
Billy Beane does deserve critisim for some of his trades/singings but not Chavez and Loaiza. Those made perfect sense at the time. I blame him for signing Jermaine Dye after he broke his leg and trading for the always injured Milton Bradley.
but westside story rocks!
although i think i might be the only one in the universe under 25 who knows natalie wood
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
"from your first cigarette till your last dying day"......
Still my favorite musical of all time along with Pippin.
I played both Tony and Riff in two diffferent casts/productions….go Jets!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Better start snappin' those fingers mrod
because this could be war as I was a badly miscast Pepe in the seminal summer camp production of Westside Story. So go sharks!
I'm saddened and disappointed...
With all the rambling gibberish before the jump, I thought I was going to get at least a couple of paragraphs of stream of consciousness rambling… something about Jack Cust being your poolboy or turning the A’s into a cult… you know, like something I would write…
But then, it was just a bunch of damn numbers!
I’m mostly kidding… Quality work, doctor!
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A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 16, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Post 67
I’m both a ketchup and mustard kind of guy. I like to combine the 2, just like stats and stories.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I like cats WITH ketchup.
But then really, who doesn’t?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
we had this discussion
in a game thread before :-)
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
combined on burgers
But only mustard (yellow) on hot dogs. Its a fact.
by jlanning17 on Jul 16, 2009 5:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good post...
Just wondering if you think Geren sits Cust and Giambi tonight against Santana. Santana has owned them in the past, or is the “photocopy” lineup in Geren’s pocket? I’m wondering if the A’s will even get a hit off him, as he pitches a lot more like the “other” Santana than the 1-5, 7.81 era pitcher for the Angels.
Giambi and Cust will probably both be in the lineup unless Giambi sits
and Sweeney plays right…who knows…?
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
What's weird is that my posting profile is almost identical -
Very few good comments at the beginning of a thread, I dig myself into a hole by the middle, then I make a last gasp effort near the end of the thread but it’s too late.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's the difference between good TWSS and bad TWSS
Bad TWSS turns you into a 14-year-old boy. Good TWS turns you into a wry dirty old man.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Stats tell stories
stats people can be story people, if they write well enough.
Baseball has taught me that I can’t trust my impressions, and that if you actually take the time to look up most stats (chances at 2nd or infield popups, for example) it’s never as many as you think it is.
Like "Goldilocks and the 3 Bears," for example
The stat is: 3 bears.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What are you, the fairy tale police?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Hey all that fancy book learnin' makes my teeth hurt.
I only believe what Tim McCarver says there on the TeeVee
BACK!
MOSTE FOWEL BEASTE!
A real Poppy Palace would have a lot more chocolate, and a moat with otters. -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So what does it all mean?
Well to me it just reinforces the power of the representativeness heuristic – which is a fancy way of describing how very memorable instances can shape our impressions of broader patterns or trends. The A’s really don’t score more runs in the later innings (I too thought there might be something to this, especially after the last couple games, but those games can be chalked up to another heuristic – the availability heuristic, which is the tendency to give more weight to things that come to mind very easily than we ought to) but perhaps it seems like they do because a few of the times they have have been very memorable. My guess, after seeing the numbers, is that it can be chalked up to normal variation.
here's a link to an article about 2007 runs scored in each inning league-wide
looks like the standard isn’t flat across all innings.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/403
oh and you have to ignore the NL line, since that's skewed by pitchers batting
or just ignore the NL entirely…

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