Holliday to Braves still in play?
... Remember that potential trade with the Braves -- Holliday and Cabrera for Escobar and prospects -- I mentioned a while back? I keep hearing it, but out here I'm also hearing the Braves would need the A's to take on a big part of the money owed Holliday over the next few months.
This is from Urban's Blog
Hopefully this could work out. What prospects do you think we could get in return? It seems unlikely that there would be many or high quality prospects involved.
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i was beaten to the punch in the DLD
my fault
by echerrst on Jul 14, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the trade I keep my fingers crossed for
I still have trouble believing the Braves would let Escobar go for a half season of Holliday but rumors keep popping up about Escobar not getting along with Cox. And if you think it’s tough getting out of Beane’s doghouse, apparently Cox’s might as well be on Alcatraz it’s so hard for player’s to get out of.
As far as additional prospects go I wouldn’t expect any of the big names in the system but maybe a guy like Medlen or even Schafer depending on how down on him the Braves are.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it's appropriate for a fanpost
If the trade was even Holliday and Cabrera for Escobar straight up, this is a no brainer. Even with salary relief, you’d be trading for a player who’s been significantly more productive this year than Cabrera and Holliday combined, and who’s under team control for another 2+ year.
C’mon Billy!!!
by stranahanahan on Jul 14, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Escobar is under control for four years after 2009.
He’ll have a 2.121 years of service time after this season ends (two years, 121 days). So, he probably won’t be a Super Two, either.
He won’t be a free agent until after the 2013 season.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 14, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then the deal would be a complete steal...
by stranahanahan on Jul 14, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got Holliday to sell to a desperate contender. Atlanta is neither.
Cabrera would be worth more if we could buy out his “no arb offer” clause and get the potential picks for them or us.
Escobar is the holy grail for the A’s. He is the best available SS that we know of playing in the majors. Good and getting better, young cheap and under team control for around 4 more years. He plays at a position of great need, and we are tired of messing around with it after BoCro and because the last 4 or so SS that we drafted in the first round sucked and we want to start wasting the next four picks on a 3rd baseman.
Atlanta has two teams way ahead of them leading the division and WC, and 8 more teams ahead (5) or around (3) them. They need to go on a major hot streak to even sniff wanting Holliday and even then they might not want to buy as he is really damaged goods at this point and not worth near as much as he was at the beginning of the year.
If we want to trade with Atlanta which we should, we should be thinking about:
A) what else we would/should give up to get Escobar if they DO want Holliday and money, considering Cabrera has no real value.
B) what else we would/should give up to get Escobar if they DO NOT want Holliday, since we still want Escobar regardless.
C) how to spin Holliday into a three way with us getting Escobar, the third team getting Holliday and the Braves getting prospects/players from both
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by OmahaHi on Jul 15, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did the A's change from wanting to trade Holliday to having to trade him?
The A"s have drafted some good young middle and left side infielders in the last couple years.
Maybe not another Chevas but I don’t think the A’s are at the point where they would sell the store for Escobar or anyone else. If Atlanta doesn’t feel the need then we don’t trade with them if they do then they will pay highly for Holliday. There is no way the A’s are giving Holliday away, he is the top offensive and defensive outfielder on the market right now. The fact he came to the hitting graveyard that is the A"s play in does not lessen his value. When he gets to a good part and a city that fills the stands he will play a lot better.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 15, 2009 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Holliday is in no way damaged goods. He is healthy and still young.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 15, 2009 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And playing for someone else in 2010.
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by iglew on Jul 16, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's St. Louis, or NYY doing the acquiring
There are some teams that have reason to believe they could keep Holliday beyond 2009.
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by Nico on Jul 16, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not what brave fans want
Just funny how braves fans think Escobar is the best SS in baseball and that the A’s would need to send prospects too. If this type of trade goes down it will not be until July 31st when the bids for Holliday go crazy.
by Arcman on Jul 14, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The A's SHOULD have to send prospects, that's why most fans here are all about a straight up swap.
Baseball isn't magic.
by rebus on Jul 14, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see this happening.
There’s a reason were all so excited by the thought of this deal, and thats mainly because we would obviously be getting the much better end of it. Yunel Escobar is a young, cost controlled all-star caliber shortstop. He plays great defense, and has shown he can be a consistent near .300 hitter (even at this point in his young career) with some decent pop. I just don’t see the Braves dealing him away for 2 underperforming, 2 month rentals. It just wouldn’t make sense on the Braves end of things unless we took on most, if not all of the remainder of Hollidays contract and it would still be a questionable move on the Braves part IMO. I would absolutely LOVE to steal Escobar from the Braves but I am definitely not gonna be getting my hopes up.
by JPShark on Jul 14, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it doesn't really make sense from a Brave's perspective
But desperation sometimes results in irrationality. If the Braves stay close to the Phillies in the NL East race, the front office might feel some pressure to make a win-now move. Although this trade greatly favors the A’s, I could actually see the Braves making it.
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by FrankCohen on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
Again, the Braves have made way too many desperation moves since Chris Burke ended their last playoff appearance.
You also can look at the Teixeira/Kotchman trade as "the Braves wanted to punt ‘08, but they wanted to be right back in it for ’09 and that contending in ’09 was a huge priority. If not, they don’t make a trade that was that lopsided towards the slegnA.
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by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubting this one too...
but if it is true, exactly how much of a jackass is Escobar that they’d be willing to move him for a rental?
by AgitationStation on Jul 14, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think its as much "he's a jackass"
as it is Bobby Cox has about as much, if not more power in that organization than Frank Wren does. If you get in his doghouse, you gone. A rift with Cox gets you out.
And we’ve seen quite a few “doghouse” moves that had very limited basis in common baseball sense [White Sox dumping Swisher and Vazquez and Logan, Cardinals releasing Kennedy and converting Schumaker, an OF, into a 2B (the experiment is failing miserably)] .
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by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a response from a buddy of mine who lives near Atlanta, when I asked what the deal was with Escobar
and why he’s supposedly in the doghouse.
The deal is that Escobar males many mental errors, seems not to care, looses focus on defense, and sometimes doesn’t play hard.
Or at least that’s what I’ve read since the Braves have been trying to deal him since the offseason. And I have seen a couple things while watching a few games this year, like letting a popup drop right next to him because he was only jogging instead of running, and not covering the bag on double play balls or steal attempts.
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by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then he'd fit right in! DO IT BEANE!
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by Philip Christy on Jul 14, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he is not injured
Other than that, he is a perfect fit
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jul 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well... clearly the "not trying" part is our player's mistake
that’s what keeps getting them injured. Not trying… so THAT’S how they do it.
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by DMOAS on Jul 14, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of whether this actual trade comes to fruition...
The fact that it is out there, in MLB circles, and not just circulating on the internet should give beane somewhat of an advantage in trade talks for Holiday because it sets a bar for where other teams will have to go to match atlanta. They may say too high, thats rediculous and pass- but they may also get nervous, fear that they are missing out on their best shot to secure a playoff spot, and bite.
For instance, if the cardinals were serious about trying to acquire Holiday. How could they justify that brett wallace is untouchable in negotiations if Escobar is possibly in play.
I think that given the economy- and the fact that a lot of teams are competing but simply can’t add payroll via a trade- it sets up a unique position for beane to capitalize and sucker a team to give up a better player/prospect- than a team normally would for a 1/2 of an underperforming Holiday- if beane is willing to pay some or all of the remaining salary….
by MAC Attack on Jul 14, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects? That's pushing it.
Holliday and OCab, with the A’s eating all the salary, for Yunel Escobar is an absolute steal for the A’s. Period.
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by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If this deal somehow
comes together I am fairly certain it would involve the A’s sending one or more of their better prospects along with Holliday and OCab. The Braves would have to recieve something with some long-term upside for the deal to make sense for them. Two months of a weak hitting, aging shortstop and an underperforming Scott Boras client hardly justifies the Braves dealing one of the best young players in their entire organization. Young talented shortstops with GG potential and Escobar’s offensive upside don’t come around too often, and even with his apparent attitude issues im sure the Braves realize how valueable he truly is. If the A’s can pull this off without dealing any prospects, or at least any in their top 10 they HAVE to jump all over it. We’ll see how it all turns out.
by JPShark on Jul 14, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four for one would look bad,
especially when the one isn’t already a big name. If this goes through, they’d add a junk prospect or two to the other side. Functionally it wouldn’t be much different, just better cosmetics. Sort of like Connor Robertson in the Haren trade.
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by iglew on Jul 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar would be huge for us
But I wonder if he is not a little bit over-valued around these parts. We have suffered too long through the Crosby years and then Cabrera this year that a lot of A’s fans have come to regard a cost-controlled player who can be an average hitter and play SS to be the holy grail of baseball. A commodity so great that it should only be moved for a king’s ransom.
Escobar is a good player who may see a couple All-Star games depending on how he starts his season but he does not really profile as a “Star” and the Braves have managed to continually get production from the SS position from Furcal to Renteria to Escobar and may feel that they can find a way to replace his production with a guy who doesn’t get on Cox’s nerves.
Obviously I would be extatic to acquire Escobar but I don’t think it is that far-fetched to think we might be able to get a couple mid-level prospects to come along in exchange for salary relief.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well like I said,
I would be stoked it we could get this deal done without sending much else along with the 2 veterans but just don’t see it working that way. Maybe, well hopefully, im wrong. Escobar may not be a “star” but he’s gotta be considered among the best as far as shortstops go. He’s only 26 years old, so his peak years are still ahead of him and in his short career he’s managed to bat .300 with a .792 OPS and excellent defense at short. That kind of production out of your SS is very valueable, and not easy to come by. I do agree that its a possibility, I just don’t think its a good one by any means. Either way, I hope Beane really works on this.
by JPShark on Jul 14, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, along with the veterans
The Braves would also get 2 likely top 35 draft picks when Holliday departs in the off-season. May not help much in the immediate future but you can get some pretty good prospects with draft picks that high.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain to me
How Holliday would get the Braves two top 35 picks? They would get a sandwich pick in the 35-40 range and the A’s second round pick, which would probably be around 50. Unless you see the A’s playing .650 ball the rest of the way, their first round pick will be protected.
by swatnick on Jul 14, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
had a little brain fart there…scratch that. Still, there’s no guarantee the Braves will end up with two top 35 picks and if they do they will be towards the end of that 35. The draft picks Holliday will garner are worth a few million but I think the value of two picks in the 25-60 range are usually overestimated.
by swatnick on Jul 14, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I said it was likely, not guaranteed
But maybe I was a bit optimistic, I just assumed that even with his poor season Holliday would be one of the top 5 rated FA’s netting an early Comp pick and that the team signing would not have a protected pick.
It’s not a huge return but it’s not insignificant either. I’d say picks in that area are in the range of B/B- prospects.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 with the possibility of 3
Remember, they already have to begin with.
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by DMOAS on Jul 14, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
escobar has proven to be a good player, but i am not sure he’s a star in the making. you get a star in holliday (he’s played bad this year, but is a proven commodity) PLUS 2 draft picks. holliday would help atlanta make a push for the postseason. in order to get that, you have to give up some talent. we gave up ethier for a much less talented milton bradley, and i think that worked out fine (we don’t make the playoffs without milton). same here…you’ve got to give up a bit to get a stud like holliday.
by guy incognito on Jul 14, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
Holliday hasn’t homered in what, 32 games? Why would they want him? The Braves might be desperate, but I don’t think they are stupid. We’ll get our two draft picks from Holliday and I’ll call it a win.
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by sprtsnwyn on Jul 14, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe the Braves think that Holliday will be inspired
by playing for a team in contention (kind of), in a nicer stadium, and with larger crowds. Of course, Escobar could have the opposite problem if he is already dogging it in Atlanta.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 14, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think it’ll happen as much as we want it to. If Holliday turns it up pretty soon, though, and the Braves really want to make a deal, maybe we could somehow get Escobar.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"turns it up pretty soon"
Just for kicks, I looked at Holliday’s stats and removed his admittedly terrible month of April.
Since May 1, he’s hitting .288/.396/.438
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by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he has not hit a HR in a long time
and he hasn’t had any game changing RBIs in a while (that I can think of, in fact I only remember a HR late vs the Rays a while back and an late RBI against the Angels in April).
He has never had a monster game for the A’s that I can see. He has had four 3-RBI games (3 were 1 HR and 1 single, and one was a double and a single). On May 17th he went 4 for 4 with a walk, a run, and a SB but they were all his hits were singles and he had no RBI. All good performances but not super sexy.
He is a good hitter but hasn’t given us the superstar performance we hoped we were getting. He is held to a higher expectation than other players.
I think he needs a blazing hot streak for couple weeks where he hits like .350 with 4-5 HRs and 15-20 RBIs. It will take something like that IMHO to attract much better trade offers from other teams.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 14, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone would love to see that
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 14, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Anderson, Ryan Church, Matt Diaz, and Nate McLouth
That is why they want him.
by Joey C. on Jul 14, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just asked the guy on a live chat over at MLB Trade Rumors about this deal, and he said the only place he’d heard it was from Olney. For what it’s worth.
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by Philip Christy on Jul 14, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The chat's got some ridiculous stuff.
Just for the hell of it. I read MLBtr quite a bit b/c its a concise place to see all the rumors (and sometimes the comments are stupid enough to give you a good laugh). I don’t pay attention to the chats, but I read the transcript and there’s a lot of stupid in it.
[Comment From yahmpy] how does J.A. Happ, Dominic Brown, Jason Donald, and Lou Marson sound for Halladay? Is that enough or do they have to include Drabek or Michael Taylor?
3:20 That could get it done. I can imagine that deal working
A 26yo BOR starter, a top OF prospect, a borderline-AAAA SS, and a B level prospect. That’s not a good deal for the Jays in the slightest sense.
[Comment From Bill] Do the Tigers actually actually have enough to aquire Roy Halladay?
3:02 It starts with Ryan Perry and probably Rick Porcello… the minor league SS guys that Kornacki named this morning don’t do much for me and I doubt the Jays like the looks of them much. So I say they do have enough, but barely
Huh? You can’t trade 2009 draftees. The Tigers have NOTHING beyond Perry/Porcello. Hell, they couldn’t put together a Holliday deal without including Porcello, since their farm system is that bad.
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by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that chat wasn't done by Tim Dierkes
Tim Dierkes is the founder of MLBTR. He’s awesome – very insightful with his analysis, hard worker on the site, good person too. He and his wife just had a baby, so they are super busy, and he’s hired additional help.
I’ve found when I go to that site and I see speculation posted, it’s important to check who the writer is. If Tim wrote it, it’ll always pass the sniff test. That’s not as much true of all of the part-timers that work there. I’m sure they are good guys, and learning about the game just like the rest of us, but I often the analysis/commentary of the part-timers leaves something to be desired.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 14, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yeah, once they started getting new writers I’ve noticed they’ve become a bit more opinionated about what is posted and whatnot. I think Tim is great, and all the best to him and his family, but I would really enjoy having back on the chats they just aren’t the same anymore…
by stranahanahan on Jul 14, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree with this.
I have read some older chats, but hadn’t read recently. I just went into this one because Phillip said it.
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by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they could get Escobar for Holliday and Cabrera...
and would need to take Holliday’s salary… then do it. The A’s are scheduled to pay all of Holliday’s salary anyway. Maybe they could just subtract what Escobar is owed the rest of the year.
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by brenarlo on Jul 14, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holliday value
He is a -power hitter on a bad team but still doing modest stats. He is worth 2 draft picks even if he is not traded. There is no way the A’s don’t offer him arbitration unless he blows out his knee. No way does Boras not let Holliday become a free agent even if it is on a 2 year deal just to get him out of oakland. The A’s will pay some of his salary so it makes it even more attractive to a club on a budget.
by Arcman on Jul 14, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd even advocate paying ALL of Holliday's salary...
assuming all the A’s would get back is a bunch of low-salary players. Why not just flat out buy some high minors prospects?
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by brenarlo on Jul 14, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not my money, so...
YEAH!
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by Nico on Jul 14, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that one, Beane
Can’t say I wouldn’t love it. But that feels like a pipe dream if there ever was one.
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by walk off bunt on Jul 14, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
speaking of pipe dreams
Anyone remember BB proposal for a 6 month Zito rental Zito was offered up to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Michael Bourn, Ryan Madson, and Chase Utley, these guys would be awesome on the team now……
I have also changed my mind on the blown phillies trade for zito, I would have been against that year with how woe-full this time has been
but then again we wouldn’t have had 2006 post—season run. Zito was a big part of that.
I am starting to believe BB has the same mentality he had for ZITO, And once again no-one is going to bite.
by hishnik on Jul 14, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because I'm just too lazy to look it up and now someone else will
Who did we draft with the 2 picks from Zito?
Just curious how those have (and will continue) to pan out…
by stranahanahan on Jul 14, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doolittle and Desme
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by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, because I'm just too lazy to look it up and now someone else will
What’s on TV tonight around 10:00pm?
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by Nico on Jul 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Nico
That was, in fact, my next question.
by stranahanahan on Jul 14, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees and RedSox
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by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies rumor
was Zito for Utley, Madson, and Gavin Floyd, not Michael Bourn.
Anyway, the rumor was that Beane offered it and Wade said no. As well he should have. That would have been an epic deal for Beane.
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by iglew on Jul 14, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or brian roberts/bedard
or maine/bedard//penn
were other rumors
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 14, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that for Zito or for Hudson?
Either way I think the Orioles wanted a window to negotiate an extension which Beane wouldn’t allow.
by DeJay on Jul 15, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't idle gossip or a rumor GM of the Phillies Ed Wade
Has confirmed he turned down a Zito exchange for:
Michael Bourn, Ryan Madson, and Chase Utley
can you blame him. The price was way to steep by BB
by hishnik on Jul 14, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Beane didn't accept just Utley for Zito, then I'm sad
He certainly should have predicted that Ellis would get hit on the hand by a Joe Nathan pitch in two months.
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by Nico on Jul 14, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito was rumored
to be offered to the Mets in a potential deal for prospect Lastings Milledge.
However, No-one has confirmed this as a deal on the table
by hishnik on Jul 14, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How Ironic
that Brian Sabean would have to practically give Planet Zito away in any potential trade now.
by hishnik on Jul 14, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fearless prediction
After allstar break Holliday will go on a 5 homeruns in a week streak then the trade talks will get going. Reason for this is Holliday has not had a day off in a long time do the 3 day rest and hot weather will do him good.
by Arcman on Jul 14, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good prediction
I hope it comes true.
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by micdog2001 on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been wondering
Why Geren doesn’t give him a day off. Benching him towards the end of a embarrasing blow-out doesnt really count. Maybe Geren feel’s that his sick time with the flu at the start of the season was the only rest he needed this year
by hishnik on Jul 14, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe times are changing after the PED era
But do we not expect good players to play everyday when they are healthy anymore? Should all players be on 140-150 game limit?
Maybe we have reached that point but I guess I still think that when you have a field player who is pretty clearly your best hitter, is in his prime, and is not nursing any specific injury you should expect him to be out in the field every day.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many days a week do you work?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe when I become a professional athlete that will become relevant
As for now I am just a lowly student.
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many days a week do you go to school?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to make a coherent argument?
or just asking pointless questions for fun?
by DiegoAsFan on Jul 14, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you worked every day, you'd be worn out,
even without playing professional sports during those time
by Elston Gunn on Jul 16, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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