Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

Newly Fired Up Comeback Kids Do It Again

The A's are running hard now, and you had better believe the Rays' bullpen hears footsteps. For the second day in a row, the A's, finally told by their manager that they need to play hard if they want to play, spotted Tampa Bay a lead after 6 innings, waited until the 7th to start scoring, then battled and won.

Star-divide

Brett Anderson tossed 4 shutout innings, but presumably the tight back he reported before the game finally got the best of him -- either that or a recurrence of a blister problem, soreness in the forearm, gout, scurvy, or A's Vortex Syndrome was the cause, as the A's didn't immediately clarify.

It was 0-0 until the bottom of the 6th, when the Rays struck for 3 runs in a two-out rally against Brad Ziegler and Michael Wuertz. But deja vuly (I just made that up), the A's rallied to take the lead in the 7th, this time putting 4 runs on the board. It started with a Matt Holliday double, but what put the A's on the board was Kurt Suzuki's RBI single, one of 3 hits on the day for...a guy Joe Maddon didn't select for the All-Star Game. The day after Maddon's team was beaten by...Dallas Braden.

Anyhoo, run #2 was driven in by pinch-hitter Jack Cust, who didn't start maybe partly because he's been slumping, maybe partly because he's a bad matchup with James Shields (and was 2/15 career). It's the new meritocracy, and under it the A's are 2-0. Mark Ellis' FC grounder (productive out sighting!) and Orlando Cabrera's single (hit with RISP sighting!) gave the A's 4 runs off of 4 Rays' pitchers in the 7th.

Maddon tried two more relievers in the 8th and 9th and the A's tried 3 more insurance runs, all charged to J.P. Howell, who had turned in 16 scoreless appearances in a row before running into the "NFUCKs" ... What? It stands for "Newly Fired Up Comeback Kids." You don't like it? Well, Mark Ellis doesn't like it when Ben Zobrist goes in hard to 2B on an inning ending FC, and he told Zobrist so, with a little steam eminating from his unicorn horn -- shortly before the A's would rally, tie the game on Ellis' FC, rally some more, and cap their 7-run outburst with an Ellis HR.

It's ok to be a little mean, lads. And it's ok to bust your tail, and grind out every at bat, every play, every base, from the first pitch right down to the last pitch. And it's ok to play good baseball -- which this team CAN. And did, this weekend. Well done.

Comment 154 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Affirmative.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A's season series win + Rays season series loss

Leopold Bloom wins double as the last Ray of hope was eaten alive by our baseball zombies!

Green and Gold Lantern Corps

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 12, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ack! Why no edit button?

Also,

Fulfilling a request from a couple days ago.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

by ZacharyCF on Jul 12, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rulebook

I missed the game thread, so maybe someone mentioned this.

The rulebook currently online at the MLB website says two bases are awarded when the catches fields the ball with his mask, just like you said originally.

So if they did amend the rules, they didn’t bother to update it on the website.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Huh. It was mentioned by Ken/Ray on the "Behind the plate" segment,

that the rule had recently been changed to one base. It was also noted as rule 7.05 (j) on the telecast, whereas it is 7.05 (d) in my 2004 Rulebook.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, this is weird.

Looking at the PDF online, I see that 7.05(d) says two bases, AND 7.05(j) says one base. As far as I can tell the two are in direct contradiction.

Maybe (j) was intended to replace (d) but they forgot to put lines through it. Come to think of it, paragraph (d) does look like it stops in the middle of a sentence.

Conclusion: They did change the rule, but whoever updated the copy of the rulebook to go online did a crappy editing job.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was probably Dana Eveland -- he's responsible for most problems in the world.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought that was tRA*

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Gene Mauch (the little general) invoke this in the early 80s. I had never before heard it.

He had to show the ump the rule b/c it’s so rarely invoked. Mauch wasn’t a great manager, but he knew the rules like the back of his hand.

JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker

by JJ Martin on Jul 12, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

ve'ja du-

when you get the funny feeling something didn’t just happen again

by OmahaHi on Jul 12, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay series wins!!!

much better ending heading into the break than I was expecting after Friday’s game.

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently, if the A's play hard with good fundamentals

They’re not nearly as bad as we thought.

@worldblee on Twitter.

by worldblee on Jul 12, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Who knew?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Us...

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jul 13, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's on ESPN2, but under a massive rain delay.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thx

I checked there, but it says 2008 HR Derby. Is that just until the game resumes?

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd think so.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

gracias.

I see Chris Carter is due up 4th when the game resumes.

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

the game is set to start at 5.30 local time. (about 20 minutes) fyi.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thx!!!

Still watching the Hamilton show from last year’s HR Derby on ESPN2.

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol yeah me too. I new he was going to hit that many homers and it was still awesome to watch.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Former A Brooks Conrad is a double shy of the cycle

shocker

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He plays 3rd base, too!

We let him become a free agent back in 2008, and he signed with Atlanta.

Small sample size and all, right now.

Of course the A’s let him walk….Chavez said he “never felt better” last Fall.

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jul 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

No offense to Brooks, nice guy and all, but

he’s just having a good day.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

as opposed to the REM bad day

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

of all the people we've let walk...

you’re going to worry about some backup who had a little extra Wheaties this morning?

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Jul 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

no worries

faux excitement on my part…tongue in cheek doesn’t play well on the Internet.

I agree, he’ll be back to earth like Eric Byrnes, after Byrnes hit for the cycle… what was Byrnes?? 2-for-62 after that??

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jul 12, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once again

I turn off the (boring) game in the 4th, to take a walk in the lovely sunshine, and return to find the A’s have scored 7 AND won the game! Maybe I should have more faith? Or I’m crazy?
That’s great and all, but next time, the team should tell me when they’re gonna do that :)

by streetfan on Jul 12, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Likewise...

was listening to the game in the car yesterday and with the score 2-0 in the 5th, I go to have a cup of coffee and read. I come back to the car about 2 hours later and not only is the game still on, but the A’s have taken a 7-2 lead.

It’s not us right? Please someone tell me its not us! ;)

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh. Two wins in a row.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jul 12, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, and we beat both Garza and Shields in Tampa. Of course, the break naturally follows.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. God forbid we should gain any actual momentum.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jul 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

To do what exactly? Even if we got "momentum" we're 12 games out.

I went to Friday and Saturday’s Angles/Yankees games. Their offense looked mighty fine (or the Yankees pitching is just terrible), and their top four starters are no longer unable to pitch, they aren’t going to be collapsing that much. I mean I get that winning is more fun. I like it too, but Id rather have a baller top 5 draft pick than win a bunch of meaningless games, but hey Im that guy so take it for what its worth.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

For shits and giggles.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jul 12, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

a completely acceptable answer.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes?

Oh, sorry, I saw “giggles” and thought someone was trying to get my attention….

Oooooh, squirrel…..

;)

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 12, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't knock pre-All-Star-break momentum.

In 2001, the A’s had a mediocre first half, two games under .500 going into Arizona for the last series before the break. A’s then swept the Diamondbacks with three awesome pitching performances: a complete game shutout by Mulder (3-0), another complete game by Hudson (5-1), and then a 2-1 win by Zito (not a CG … wimp!).

After the break, the A’s kept that momentum and went 58-17 for the second half, finishing the season with 102 wins.

Admittedly, this year’s start has been so bad that even with a 58-17 second half we could still miss the playoffs. But it sure would be a lot more fun.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but

all that winning tired out the A’s, and led to a poor playoff performance.

{runs}

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 12, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aw come back 67, we're not going to hurt you.

clears chamber.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Jul 12, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm, ***********

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Jul 12, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

against a good team on the road

Which means they will start the 2nd half by losing 5 in a row…at home ! ;)

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Jul 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

For anyone interesting Chris Carter will be hitting fourth for the USA team in the futures game.

It is resuming in 20 min with Carter due up 4rth.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they’ve only played a half-inning, no?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

correct

World up 2-0 through half an inning.

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go World!

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Jul 12, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

whooops...if your not an interesting person you better not read my comments....

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy is tuning in.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

like a three hour rain delay. they are only playing 7 innings when it starts up again.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Any reason in particular you are attributing this win to Geren?

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Are we reading the same article?

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Jul 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't get Geren benches Sweeney -> comebacks meme

though rereading it a second time makes it seem less like that. Ive been out of town so I haven’t been paying that much attention so maybe it is noticeable.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes just as much sense as

blaming 49 first-half losses on Geren.

Opinions differ on that point. But if you buy into the one, the other logically follows.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I don't think that Geren is a particularly good manager

It’s also not his fault he’s been given a crappy team that’s playing poorly.

by bobnothing on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

My personal beliefs are along these lines

he certainly hasn’t helped but Dick Williams/ Billy Martin/ Tony LaRussa wouldn’t have turned these fools into division contenders.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giambi has only 2 more hits (50) than walks (48) at this point.

Thome and A-rod have similar walk-to-hits ratios, but obviously they have much better OBPs and AVGs.

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

This might have been discussed in the game thread, but...

Glen “7 Northern California Emmys” Kuiper was talking about OCab and how he hasn’t walked in 22 straight games, but that “it doesn’t matter because he’s hitting .360.” I started wondering, hmm, is he actually saying that if you hit for a high average you don’t need to walk as much to have a decent OBP?

Probably not. I dislike Glen Kuiper. I wish we had his brother.

Great win, though.

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

by ORthey on Jul 12, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he meant that if you’re going to hit .360, you don’t need to walk.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I know… I was just wondering if he was trying to display some actual statistical thinking or if it was just another clever way for a mainstream idiot to decry walking.

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

by ORthey on Jul 12, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't

if you hit .320 and have an isolated walk rate of .030, you have a .350 OBP which is pretty good. Now if you have a .240 batting average and you have the same .030 isolated walk rate, your .270 OBP sucks a lot. The problem with trying to hit .320 and having a low isolated walk rate is that if your BAPIP drops due to luck your value to your team plummets. This is what I like to call Howie Kendrick circa 2009, a guy who isn’t hitting .320 this year which exposes the fact that he never walks.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get his point but it's not sustainable

Cabrera isn’t a .360 hitter. If his OBP was propped up by, say, 0.75 because he walked a lot, he could bat .275 and still get on base at a .350 clip. If he was hitting .350 for a while and keeping his walk rate up, guess what? He’s getting on base at a .425 clip.

By not walking, yeah, the .360 AVG is nice over his hot streak but his OBP is about the same. When he cools off and is hitting .275 again and still not walking, well…

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Jul 12, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good explanation but the lack of walks are not why Cabrera sucks this year.

Granted he is on pace for his lowest walk rate this decade but his real problem is that instead of being worth 14 runs above average in the field hes now costing the team 6 runs… that equals a two win swing. In the last 7 years Cabrera has only had 2 where he was above league average (and one of those was by less than a full run), and his OBP has always been mediocre. Its the fielding that really hurts.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like Glen Kuiper a lot..

Who cares if he doesn’t have to the same walk, walk, HR mindset that most A’s fans have..? I’d personally rather have a guy hit .360 and never walk than a guy who hits .220 but has a .360 OBP. He’s not obnoxious and doesn’t have a ridiculous voice like other announcers shoved down our throats on ESPN, and gaassspp… across the bay. I’m assuming this won’t be agreed upon but oh well.. BTW, dibs are great.

by son of wes on Jul 12, 2009 4:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s not obnoxious and doesn’t have a ridiculous voice like other announcers shoved down our throats on ESPN, and gaassspp… across the bay.

I like Dave O’Brien and Dan Shulman.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m meaning more like our local tv and ESPN guys.. Miller/Superstar knowitall 2Bman, Kruk/Kuip, Philips, ect.. I might be in the minority here, but I can’t even stomach a Giants game cuz I want to literally throw a ball at Mike Krukows head.

by son of wes on Jul 12, 2009 4:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man, I totally disagree. I’m not a huge fan of Krukow, to be fair, but I think Duane is 10 times the announcer that his brother will ever… great low voice, calm, knows the game, whereas Glen’s idea of calling a great catch in the outfield is to say “Sweeney Sweeney Sweeney… Sweeney!” and he’s constantly mis-calling plays, getting the count wrong, etc. I also think Jon Miller and Dave Fleming are outstanding.

None could hold a candle to Bill King, though. RIP. And I loves me some Korach and Foss. But I happen to believe that both the A’s and Giants have been blessed with solid announcers, Glen K and Greg Papa (and – shudder – Dick Stockton) notwithstanding.

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

by ORthey on Jul 12, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I happen to believe that both the A’s and Giants have been blessed with solid announcers, Glen K and Greg Papa (and – shudder – Dick Stockton) notwithstanding.

I don’t like Dick Stockton announcing MLB games and he’s decent for NBA games, but he’s a pretty damn good NFL announcer.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think he has absolutely zero personality. None. Which is the norm for national tv broadcasts for some reason. He’s not a terrible announcer, there’s just no there there.

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

by ORthey on Jul 12, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perfect example.

Ichiro hardly ever walks, but his OBP is still .393, thanks to his .362 batting average. I’d be happy to have that on our team.

Kuiper’s comment would make sense if OCab were actually hitting .360, but he’s not. On the season he’s hitting .255, and the only way you come up with .360 is by cherry picking.

Even that is hard. OCab’s average in those last 22 games is .319. I don’t know how Kuiper gets to .360. Even with the recent hot streak, if you calculate Cabrera’s average in the last X games, there’s no value of X greater than 2 where the average reaches .360.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Though the flipside of the Ichiro example is "If he hits .360 why doesn’t he walk more and have an OBP well over .400?

He actually did when he played in Japan, averaging a .353 BA, .421 OBP, but since coming to America he’s got a .332 BA and a .378 OBP. Still very good, of course.

Some people will complain that he goes for the hits to the point of denying himself walks he’d otherwise get. Sure, there’s something to that, but his best ability on offense is putting the ball in play and running.

Either way, he gets on base a lot and that’s what’s important.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Jul 12, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The difference between the quality of American and Japanese pitching

could be the difference, no?

Bottom line is that no one is perfect. If Ichiro’s strength, getting hits, allows him to do it to the tune of a .332 BA, and his weakness, not walking much, leaves his OBP at .378, and he can steal mucho bases, rarely getting caught, and he can play GG RF…I’ll take it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

no doubt....I'd love to have Ichiro on the A's!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 12, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's the anti-Cust in every way.

Rarely walks, rarely homers, rarely strikes out, and plays excellent defense in RF!

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

A .378 OBP that has a .322 average in it

is a lot better than a .378 OBP that has a .278 average in it.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 12, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course this is true

Of course, the number of players who can post a .322 average is smaller than the number of players who can post a .278 average (and the A’s have no one in the former category).

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Jul 13, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cant disagree more

Glen in an effort to fill space says at least one foot in mouth gaff every game. He is completely out of his league. His personality is as stale as cardboard and his jovial laid back everyman does not work well with Fosse IMO. He’s still better than say, Rex Hudler or Joe Morgan.

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Jul 13, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

After visiting the link, click on the icon on the pitcher’s mound and click on the right arrow once.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

that was cool RRST!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 12, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torii Hunter?

GET OUT OF THIS BLOG.

They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!

by muffinpryde on Jul 12, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it here, though.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, well then, carry on.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh. feliz getting out carter. that upsets me.

I know it doesn’t mean anything really, but that blows.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup. although i guess its good he actually made contact. No one else even came close to touching him.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wallace's AB was pretty awesome tho.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jul 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah thats true Wallace put up a fight. I forgot about that.

Good ab, and nice working the walk. now if only they would give him up for holliday…

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still ready to irrationaly embrace Chris Carter.

In fact, I just did.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jul 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll join the irrational embracing of Carter.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, true.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you prefer doing EVERYTHING rationally.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

keep it clean

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Jul 12, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM and it made me think of this xkcd cartoon

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jul 12, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's hilarious

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 13, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

me too

I saw him at ST and was impressed. Of course I only saw a few ABs over 3 games…

by jakebmill on Jul 12, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just saw the one AB here and I'm on board. lol

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

The 39 hr’s last year really help too.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jul 12, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah 39 hrs isn't too bad...

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Stronger Line-up

Once you remove Cust and Giambi from the starting line-up, then you’ve got a team in which each player has hit close to .240 or better since the end of April (May, June, into July) - and that includes Ellis and Powell.

Something happened with Geren, though we’ll probably never know what it was. Maybe he got tired of reading about how lifeless the team was, how lifeless HE was … or maybe Beane read him the riot act, or gave him the freedom to bench anyone he wanted.

I was delighted to see Cust sitting, and I was delighted to see Giambi sitting. I keep thinking about those two times Cust bunted for a base hit, and then Giambi said, “I would NEVER do that…” and I’m not sure, but I think Cust stopped bunting at that point. Sorry, getting on base is more important than the size of your balls. That was a terrible comment from Giambi, and it sent the wrong message.

by richwol1 on Jul 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with you about Giambi's remark

I thought it odd coming from a veteran who supposedly was someone to look up to.

Nobody expects Cust to make bunts a major part of his game. But his willingness to shake up the “shift” defenders a little bit was something positive.

Giambi’s not hitting well enough to turn up his nose at anything his teammates do to try to get something done offensively.

by OaklandSi on Jul 12, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Peña would do it and only leads the league in HRs

and is 239 times the player Giambi is these days. Glad you’d never do something like that, Mr. .195 hitter. Can we get a 1Bman who will do what it takes to help the team?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN put the accent in his name over the “E” instead of the “N” and I had a feeling that it was wrong.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how would that be pronounced?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

"carlos"

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jul 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, now.

The name “Carlos” doesn’t have an “E” or an “N” in it, does it?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

ÉSPN

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPÑ

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 13, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that....

my balls are pretty important to me…. :)

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 12, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yours are bigger

Kind of a “sunk cost” with Jason, pardon the expression.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM!!!!

I snorted water up my nose thanks to this.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

from golf balls to raisins.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my! That was a good one Nico!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 12, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strange remark by Giambi

Cuz i just happened to see him attempt a bunt last season against the A’s when Geren put the shift on him.

"if gio would of ptched,he would of pitched shoot outs." - MR.OAKLAND

"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles

by Cheezombie on Jul 12, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe He Read My Piece From Last Week?

But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jul 13, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's What They Said?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

they yelled pull it out, pull it out!!!!

so the A’s did. And then said, like Billy Idol…. with a rebel yell, we cried more more more.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

They just showed A’s highlights on ESPN.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

and I saw it upon coming back a few mins ago.. it was the long version

on mlb tv where they recap the series too. felt un-real to see all that A’s ocverage.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

mlbN

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

hell froze over?

I mean, what else could happen for ESPN to show A’s highlights….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jul 12, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rivals to the Red Sox/Yankees lost a game against the lowly A's.

Thereby putting themselves further behind the terrible twosome and making it newsworthy. There’s your link.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Jul 12, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball Highlights

If we weren’t playing a team in the Almighty AL East, we’d be waiting for 30 seconds… if that… at about quarter to five (PDT).

by muscatel on Jul 12, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

When Anderson threw a CGSO against the Red Sux in Fenway

it got almost zero coverage. It was all NOMAAAHHH.

The only reason this is getting coverage is because ESPN LOVES to point out the Rays’ flaws (because they pwned the Yanks and Sux last year) while acting like the Yankees and Red Sox don’t have any. It’s a way to fluff on the Yanks/Sux.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 12, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s about that time to dish out the mid-season awards.

Here are mine:

AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland, Tigers
NL Manager of the Year: Bruce Bochy, Giants

AL Rookie of the Year: Andrew Bailey, RP, Athletics
NL Rookie of the Year: Colby Rasmus, OF, Cardinals

AL Cy Young: Zack Greinke, SP, Royals
NL Cy Young: Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks

AL MVP: Torii Hunter, OF, Angels
NL MVP: Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals

I guess that people will be irate about Hunter, but here’s the thing. It has to be a Red Sock, Yankee, Tiger or an Angel because those are the playoff teams unless a player’s stats just blow you out of the water. For the Tigers, it comes down to Cabrera and Inge. For both the Red Sox and the Yankees, it’s a lot of people. For the Angels, Torii Hunter is far and away their best offensive player. I had to pick him at the end of the day.

Now, if the Twins make the playoffs, it’ll probably be either Mauer or Morneau, but right now, they’re in third place in their own division. I just had to go with Hunter.

I went with Haren over Lincecum by an extremely narrow margin and decided on Greinke over Halladay by also another pretty slim margin.

Mid-season awards are pretty pointless, but still, I think they’re fun to talk about.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Good choices there...

Although I’d go with Lincecum by a small margin and Halladay by a small margin. Pujols is having an unreal year and he could be a triple crown winner……and when was the last time that happened?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jul 12, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that a Cy Young winner wouldn't be impacted by the standings

but an MVP would just reinforces how dumb I think the awards are. Can’t we just have “best pitcher” and “best position player” and then give gold gloves, of course, to the best hitters?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, “best pitcher” and “best position player” just aren’t as catchy as the “Cy Young” and “MVP” titles are, right?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are the teeth doing for potential Cy Young winners?

An impacted tooth might put you on the disabled list. The standings may affect the choice of winner.

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jul 12, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is awesome!

I love that Geren finally grew a pair! I saw on the MLB A’s site that Geren benched Sweeney for not running out a pop up! Maybe that will wake this team up a bit. I’m feeling optimistic about the second half. Anybody else? Also, did anybody else catch the Cheryl Crowe concert on MLBTV last night and the amazing fireworks show after? She was amazing and so was Elvis Costello.

Go A’s!

"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit

by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 12, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Chris Carter didn't look so hot in the futures game.

but its okay. i bet he was just nervous.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jul 12, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 12, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Who's the mime on the right?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 12, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

ms marsel marsu

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Jul 12, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Marshmellow?

Mayo is the official sponsor of Zombies everywhere. I don’t trust you. --The Captain of Cheese

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 12, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?!

She never told she was a mime!

"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden

by doctorK on Jul 12, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone know how our futures ended up performing today?

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jul 13, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Oakland Athletics.

Community Guidelines ANcillary Terms

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Aperture_logo_small
Community Prospect List #4
Img_2672_small
Long-Term Outlook

Recent FanPosts

Hahaha_small
Let's Make Some Nicknames!
Fubarcloud_small
Wolf being told to spend money
Small
The wRC+ Challenge
Pumpkin_small
Maybe this is a stupid stats question
Small
A's reportedly sign Cespedes
Unknown_small
Is It Really Worth It: Three Veterans Who May Be Playing Oakland Next Year, But Shouldn't Be
Small
Manny's Contract
Small
fantasy baseball league for A's fans!
Small
NYY Proposal

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Front Page Writers

Maya_papi_small Tyler Bleszinski

08-_the_author_small 67MARQUEZ

Josefav2_small danmerqury

Baseball_small baseballgirl

Poochini-butt_in_box_2_small Nico

Img_0653_small dwishinsky

Front Page Writers

Smiley_face_small gigglingone

Venasfans_small OaklandSi

60-minutes-clock_small cuppingmaster

Patpicturebucky2_small YonYonson

Img_3830_small David Fung

Moderators

Photofunia-5c770b_small coffee roaster

Denver_small Colorado Fan

Ls_logo100_small LoneStranger

Thumbs_up_small LongTimeFan

Marty_profile_in_green_small mrod

Img_1877_small Billy Frijoles

Babycomputergeek_small paris7

Img_0115_small Tutu-late