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All You Can Eat Thread - Today's Special: Twinkies

The A's take on the Minnesota Twins tonight at 7:05PM. First of a four game series.

Be far it from me to find the dark cloud amid the sun-shininess that surrounds our Oakland A's these days, but wanted to point out a couple of things from the Baltimore series.

Outside of the first frame the A's scored eleven runs in 21 innings over the weekend.  Not exactly stuff of which juggernauts are made.  The difference is that the pitching staff has made those early leads stand up.  Coming into this month the A's were just 5-6 in games in which they led after the first inning.  They're 4-1 in such contests in June.  Conversely, Oakland is only 3-10 when staking the opposition to a quick advantage.

I made mention of this yesterday and wanted to get your opinion.  Not to pick on our young slingers, but I wouldn't mind seeing them acknowledge their audience when removed from a game and are greeted with a standing ovation.  It's quite possible that no pitchers do it anymore- I rarely watch baseball outside of the A's and the post-season- but it was just something I noticed the last two games.  Maybe my mind is stuck on those memories of Dave Stewart tipping his hat to the adoring crowd, but to me even a subtle wave of the hand would do.  Your thoughts?

Stew


 

***

All is quiet in Twinkie Town, for now.  The A's and Twins have had some great battles over the years.  From 1987-91, either one or the other represented the American League in the World Series.

Growing up I had great admiration for guys like Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew, but the Twins weren't a very good ball club in those days, save for a pennant in 1965, and a pair of division titles in 1969-70.

I recall it as a classy organization.  When the A's supplanted them as division champs in 1988, the Twins posted a message on the scoreboard to congratulate their rivals and urge them to keep the World Championship trophy in the AL West.

The Twins have always had my respect, especially after they, like the A's, excelled for the better part of this decade despite being a small-market club.  I imagine 2002- when they stopped Oakland's 20-game win streak, and beat in the A's in the ALDS- changed how I felt about them.  But they're no Angels.

One moment that will forever stand out took place in the heat of the 1992 pennant race.

The A's flip-flopped with the Twins for the top spot the first two months of the season before having it all their own from June 2 through July 3.  They spent three or so weeks chasing the Twins and were three out heading into Minnesota on July 27.  In dramatic fashion, the A's swept the defending champs on their turf and left the Twin Cities tied for first.  So who was the hero?  Try Eric Fox.  If you've never heard of him, you're not alone. Fox played 116 games in his career but he surely made his mark in that series.  With the A's having won the first two games (in which Fox went 4-for-10), the young outfielder followed that up with a three-run 9th inning homerun to turn a 4-2 deficit into a stirring 5-4 win.  I can still hear Bill King's voice on that one.  My excitement was such that I woke my pregnant wife from a nap. Some looks you never forget; that was one of them.

Feel free to use this space for whatever is on your mind until game time.

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I was hoping to see a tip of the cap yesterday

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Jun 8, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you have to cut these young guys some slack.

They’re rookies, after all. I think it takes some level of comfort in your own skin to be able to acknowledge the fans in that fashion.

(I recall a game where Nolan Ryan was lifted mid-inning and was being booed off the field by the home crowd. He proceeded to tip his cap and then proceeded to get a beer shower from one of the fans! Could you imagine a rookie pulling that stunt?)

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nolan

And Nolan didn’t put the fan in a headlock and pummel his face? Must of been pre-Robin Ventura. After seeing that, I wouldn’t even dare boo Nolan Ryan, let alone dump a beverage on him.

by Eggman on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was, hands down, the best a** kicking by a pitcher

ever! But by the same token, I don’t think a rookie in his right mind would throw intentionally at an opposing hitter. I wonder if the same mentality prevents them from doing things like tipping the cap. I know it’s a stretch, but I just feel like there’s a cautiousness that comes with being so young.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

even worse than C-3PO

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 8, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this was supposed to be a reply to a comment further down the page,

but I guess my computer is high or something…

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 8, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

gah, the 1998 Halloween party did not treat me well.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the coaching the kids receive

especially from the veteran players, is probably a lot along the lines of “don’t show off”, “don’t show anyone up,” and “act like you’ve been there before.” I could be wrong, but it’s probably emphasized not to do anything to call attention to yourself outside your play.

by Nate on Jun 8, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I wonder if any of them told him he should have tipped it on the walk off the mound. I think Mazzaro was quoted as saying something to the effect that his walk off the field was other worldly or dream-like or something, so it’s not hard to imagine him being unaware of the etiquette for the home crowd.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And some pitchers

are so locked in and focused that they block everything out.

You know, like Kevin Costner in “For the Love of the Game”.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not a baseball movie, you sap.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not?

But it had Yankee Stadium in it!

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit, nevermind then!

Carry on.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer rookie of the year myself

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is way too much optimism from beating the Os and Chisox

we still only have a 5% chance of making the playoffs. Yes winning six of six is far more fun as a fan but this team is still deeply flawed.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Baseball Prospectus, it's nearly 10%

That’s with a PECOTA adjustment, but who’s counting?

All I can say is that Nelson Cruz is on pace for 50 HRS, Josh Hamilton is probably out another month, and it’s not yet white hot in Texas. If you say to me they’re gonna win over 90 games, then fine, the A"s are probably out of the race. But if you say they’ll wilt in the heat and win less than 85 games, then as far as I’m concerned the A’s trail the real competition by just 3 games in the loss column.

Most interesting thing to me this week is Mauer (.410— he’s slumping (LOL) and Morneau(.335) are clearly the best L-L hitting combination in the AL, if not all of baseball. And the A’s are throwing three concecutive leftes at them. A 3-1 record these next 4 games will make the optimism a bit more justified.

Deeply Flawed? Rotation, No. Bullpen, half of it is flawed, but most teams suffer the same fate and it’s a fixable condition. The offense? Yes, flawed and perhaps deeply given the problems at SS, 3B, CF and RF. But overall calling them deeply flawed now is as inaccurate as saying they are world-beaters.

by jasonthea on Jun 8, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those probabilities are so lame

If you are leading the division, your chances of winning it are higher than if you are several games back. Who gives a crap? It’s early June. The more games left to play, the less meaningful those probability stats are. I, for one, think the Rangers will wilt in the heat, like they always do. An the A’s have a track record of having strong second halves. Maybe I’m underestimating the sophistication of these probabilities, but I doubt they can take such factors into account.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

But if they did, would these probabilities be able to take that into account?

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um what are you looking at?

BP’s Postseason odds say 5.23970% chance for winning the division and a .88070% chance at the WC and an average of 74 wins this year.

Yes, the rotation is deeply flawed. Both Anderson and Cahill should not be pitching in the Bigs. Both Anderson and Cahill have FIPs nearly a full pt above league average. Mazzaro has had two starts to his name, both against shitty teams, and is sporting a .193 BABIP which will regress and is only striking out 3.3 batters per 9 which is significantly lower than the MLB average. Outman is pitching to my expectations but holds a FIP that is higher than his coressponding ERA and Braden is pitching well but no way out of the woods when it comes to regressing.

The bullpen is also flawed. Yes that is dispite the fact they have the 7th best FIP in baseball right now. They are over worked having thrown. Andrew Baily cannot be the only reliever that pitches for the A’s hes already thrown half a season worth of relief innings. Wurtez and Baily are likely to regress and while Springer and Ziggy are likely to get better (springer only slightly and Ziggy more), that isn’t a recipie for sucess in my book.

You agree that the offense is flawed.

So flawed starting pitching + flawed bullpen + flawed offense + mediocre defense = deeply flawed team in my book.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 8, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That one just uses run differential for the odds

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php
Using rest-of-season projections is much better; 9.1%. The team isn’t particularly good, but neither is Texas or Anaheim, so I could see them winning it with 86-87 wins if they could pull that off. The current 5 in the rotation have been above average by tRA, and Cahill has done better lately. Plus, there’s more rotation depth than most teams have. The current defense is good, not mediocre. Certainly a deeply flawed team, though…

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Jun 8, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes it a hell of a lot easier to watch.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 8, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DFA, you make me realize how much

people must have hated Mr Spock. That is so annoying. How control-freaky do you have to be to model the odds on a daily basis, and then quote the projections as metaphysical fact?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me more of C-3PO than Spock

Remember when he tells Solo the probability of successfully navigating an asteroid field.
“Never tell me the odds!”
What gets me is that, of course the team with the better record has a higher probability of winning than teams with lower records. Is it really necessary to affix a concrete number to that and pretend it’s more meaningful than our own lay understandings of how seasons unfold and teams evolve?

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See Marvin up there?

pretend he’s down here.

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 8, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect!

The schwartz has definitely been with us, lately!

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 8, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a problem with him posting the numbers, BUT

I totally agree with the last clause you wrote. Quoting some prediction without any type of inference and corresponding prediction interval is laughable.

Not to mention that any statistician will tell you that the beauty of statistics is never having to say you are certain…

by Pucking Insane on Jun 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Fox's HR very clearly

I jumped up screaming and knocked a TV tray down spilling soda on the carpet. I had to pay for new carpet for the living room but it was worth it.

a ground rule double followed by three unproductive outs, sounds like my sex life - dayzd toe

by adragon on Jun 8, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Excited

Finally i get to watch a game. Heres hoping we keep the streak alive, and me not getting razzed for being razzed for being one of the few a’s fans here in twinkie country.

by FrozenA'sFan on Jun 8, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for most of this year

we would’ve taken 11 runs in 21 innings! If we continue that clip, we’ll win a bunch of ballgames.

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How is Nomar doing on the rehab?

Chavy update?

"Where's the beef?"

by MMunoz33 on Jun 8, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Both still hurt.

Don’t get your hopes up.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ever.

at least with these two

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 9, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tip of the cap

I completely agree that it would be nice to see a tip of the cap. My wife and I were at the game Saturday night. As Trevor Cahill was removed from the game, he got a pretty good round of applause (certainly not what Mazzaro got, but it was decent). We also watch a little soccer, and were discussing how refreshing it would be to see pitchers acknowledge the crowd like soccer players do when they are subbed out. A tip of the cap is just classy. I definitely don’t think it shows up the other team, and it is quite endearing to the home crowd. Hopefully we have 4 more chances this week to see a pitcher walk off the mound to a standing ovation. Can we at least see the slightest recognition?

by Eggman on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

" I may not know how to tango, but I sure as hell can man dance!" -Nate Robles

by DaSwinginA's on Jun 8, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about this as he was walking off

and then I thought ‘hm, if he tipped his cap, there’d probably some lame backlash from the Orioles about making them look bad blah blah rookie hasn’t earned it etc’

I just figured it was a baseball thing, not him ignoring the crowd.

but what do I know, frankly?

by bobnothing on Jun 8, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cool thing for pitchers to do

is to walk off as if nothing happened at all – whether good or bad – so that the opponent can’t have any reason to think you’re showing them off, showing fear, or something in between.

but they should still tip the cap to a standing O. these guys are in the entertainment business, not the baseball business. if they just want to play baseball, they shouldn’t ask for movie star salaries.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jun 8, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree it was about not showing the other team up

I don’t think it shows them up at all. If anything, it shows that the pitcher acknowledges the scoreboard is due to his own badassness, not due to the crappiness of the opposition (since both could contribute to the scoreboard, why not let people know, “I think it’s because I did a good job, not because they suck”). By this bizzaro logic, NOT tipping the cap is more insulting to the opposition than tipping the cap.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I don't think it shows the other team up

but baseball has some mental ‘rules’ about when you can and cannot show emotion that kinda are stupid, so I thought this might be one of them

by bobnothing on Jun 8, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree about the stupid rules of when to show emotion

I’ve often wondered if seeing a pitcher get pissed off really “helps” the opposition like folk wisdom would have us believe. Sometimes, sure, we might assume the angry pitcher is not in control of himself. But then again, sometimes I get scared of people who are all pissed off. Seems like showing anger out there could have beneficial effects sometimes too.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it does help

and I’m not saying I agree with any of the culture on this, any more than I think that the stupid beards so many of them wear look good. But it’s what they think.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jun 8, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11 runs in 21 innings

Isn’t that bad, that’s more than 4.5 runs a game.

RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!

by niallmack on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

not sure what I was thinking on that one.

I guess compared to ten runs in three innings, it didn’t look so hot. ;-)

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're just playing awesome right now is all.

Can’t last forever but who cares?

" I may not know how to tango, but I sure as hell can man dance!" -Nate Robles

by DaSwinginA's on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gene Nelson

was a pinch runner during that Fox homer.

I was a tad young to remember those A’s, but I know from baseball cards he had a great mustache. I sure wish more players had mustaches nowadays.

by Emmett89 on Jun 8, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gene Nelson

also pinch-ran in a game in 1988. He stole second base which preceded a Canseco homerun in extra innings.

ATHLETICS 12TH: HENKE REPLACED WELLS (PITCHING); BORDERS STAYED
IN GAME (PLAYING C ); Baylor was hit by a pitch; NELSON RAN FOR BAYLOR; Nelson stole second; the first SB by an AL pitcher since the DH; Canseco homered [Nelson scored]; Steinbach grounded out (shortstop to first); Henderson grounded out (shortstop to first); Lansford struck out; 2 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.
 Athletics 8, Blue Jays 6.

Seems Geno on the basepaths was good luck for the A’s.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good 'ol Gene Nelson

He was a regular pinch runner until he broke his hand on a foul ball hit into the A’s dugout on opening day. I think it was ’91.

by gojohn10 on Jun 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to recall Ron Darling PR a few times as well

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Jun 8, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I checked it...he even got an AB in '94

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Twins are my second team after the A's

I lived most of my life in Minnesota, and hope to move back home someday, so I’ll always be a Twins fan. That said, when they’re playing the A’s, I root for the A’s.
The first game I saw was in 1967 at the old Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington, just south of Minneapolis. Neither of my parents were particularly interested in sports, but they thought it would be a fun experience for me (aged not quite ten) and my little bro (aged eight). We were seated in the upper deck, facing toward the west, and several times during the first couple of innings I drew my father’s attention to a line of threatening thunderclouds moving in our direction. My dad explained to me that the clouds only looked dark like that because the sun was shining right on them, and not to be such a worrywart. Somewhere before the point at which the game became official, BAM! the storm rolled in, the clouds opened, and suddenly we and everyone else in the stands were not only drenched but rocking back and forth in 40-mile-an-hour gusts that whipped the upper deck of the old wooden park around like a roller coaster. My dad and my brother thought this was the best possible outcome to what had otherwise been a fairly dull evening; my mom and I were convinced our end was near. Eventually we got out of the ballpark, only to find the most direct routes home were all flooded and many of the surface streets blocked by trees that had fallen down. So, although I did get to see Harmon, Tony O, and Zoilo, it’s not the part that stuck in my mind.

It took me a long time to get back to the ballpark after that; in fact, not until 1978 when I started hanging out with a bunch of public radio people, as I have continued to do for the intervening 31 years. (Jesus, I’m old.) My boss wrote a song about the Twins’ outfielder Bombo Rivera which gained a certain amount of local attention and got us some free tickets.

Bombo! Bombo! Bombo Rivera!
What other guys just hit one of, that Bombo, he hits a pair a’!
It takes two to tango and two to mambo but you can do it all with just one Bombo;
Bombo Rivera will carry us to victory.
Now all the men love Bombo, ‘cause he’s a guy who came to play;
And all the women love him, ‘cause his name ends in E-R-A….etc etc.

But the team wasn’t very good in those years, and we had the appalling Calvin Griffith as owner and later, the appalling Metrodome as a venue. Still, I had become a fan and there was no turning back. Finally Calvin packed it in and Carl Pohlad took over and spent some money, and I got to see the team win it all in 1987 and 1991. Good times. We’re gonna win, Twins, we’re gonna score. Just not for the next four days, please.

by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You pointed it out but I want to emphasize it: the Metrodome Sux

It’s one of the five worst places I’ve watched a Major League ball game and the only one at which they still play the game (though it’s on its way out).* Certainly the awfulness of the Metrodome has something to do with the Twins woeful attendance. Yet, more times than not since Griffith sold the club, they’ve fielded a pretty good team over the years.

Just pointing this out because compared to the Metrodome, the post-Mt. Davis Coliseum is practically Fenway Park.

  • The others in no particular order: The Kingdome, The Vet, Windlestick, and Stade Olympique.

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kingdome

I “saw” a couple games there. I could never find the ball. THere was no redeeming value to it. When i worked for the trash company in Seattle, (next to the kingdome) we walked over to the demolished building and collected a bunch of debris to hand out at public meetings. People would show up, get their gift concrete and leave.

by Future Ed on Jun 8, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Been to both the Metrodome and the Kingdome – two truly awful places to watch baseball.

"If Vin Mazzaro comes anywhere near me with shaving cream he’s gonna be coming away with a bloody stump" – Dallas Braden

by doctorK on Jun 8, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never actually visited Stade olympique

but when looking down on the city from Mount Royal, it’s by far the most interesting structure. Very cool-looking building. Unlike, say, the MetroZit Metrodome.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally Agree

Stade Olympique looked from the outside like something from a late 1960s vision of the future (because it was more or less something from a late 1960s, or at least mid-1970s, vision of the future). Inside it was just a terrible place to watch a ballgame (major demerits: awful rug, great distance from seats to field, zero crowd or atmosphere).

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 8, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So just leave it vacant and call it a very large statue, then.

Kind of like the Pyramids.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more you need to add

I lived in Oklahoma for a few years in the mid to late 80s and to see the A’s, I went down to Texas. Arlington Stadium was pretty darn bad as a ball park. The seats didn’t even point towards the plate, but at a slight angle away plus they were tiny. And the food was bad hahaha

Ooo! Piece of candy!

by ChickenStanley on Jun 8, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old Arlington

I was at a game there the night after the Ryan/Ventura fight. The best thing about it was when the game skidded to a halt and both dugouts emptied so that the players and umpires could look up into a luxury box where some guy’s bachelor party included a topless woman who was leaning out and shaking what she had for all to see. It took about 20 minutes for security to get up there and clear everybody out, during which she put on quite the show, including one final “wave” to the crowd before she was escorted out. Definitely one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen at a baseball game. So I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for the old Arlington ball park.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Jun 8, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda liked Arlington Stadium

Only saw one game there (I was driving across the country in the summer of 1989 or 1990). But I thought it was kinda cute and rickety. It was an old minor league ballpark that they basically slapped an extra deck on. We’re certainly not talking Fenway, Wrigley, old Tiger, etc. But it beat the crap out of most of the Candlestick/Busch/Vet/Three Rivers/Riverfront generation of multipurpose stadiums.

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 8, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Metrodome is horrible

I went to games because I wanted to support the team, and because the other fans were great company — but it was infinitely better to watch the game on TV with the sound off and the late Herb Carneal on the radio. The lighting in the Dome is particularly weird….like being inside an aquarium. However, after the Twins move into the new park next year, I’m sure there will be a few games early in the season when there’s still snow on the ground and the Dome seems like a good idea.

by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really dreadful in there.

My two strongest memories of my one trip to the Metrodome (in the summer of 1988):

1. Sitting in a seat way down the first base line that simply faced in the wrong direction (my left shoulder was pointing toward home plate). Probably would have been fine at a Vikings game.

2. Getting blown out of the stadium (due to the airpressure that keeps the dome up) at the end of the game.

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 8, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great lyric.

brava

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's my boss's fine work

but I have a good memory for songs, if not much else. Unfortunately, “I Had A Draft Beer In My Basement” is the one that seems to be stuck on top of the mental jukebox right now.

by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

It’s right up there with “yippie eye-ay, mini sirloin burgers” (“but they’re cattle….”)

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Jun 8, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I get the fresh-tap taste at a BBQ!"

I love them A's, even when they're earnin' F's.

by Jackson23 on Jun 8, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved the story -

Thanks for sharing!

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your boss, huh?

I though that Bombo lyric had a familiar ring…from his Wiki bio : "Rivera was the subject of a song in the late 1970’s by Garrison Keillor named “The Ballad of Bombo Rivera.”

"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin

by Hot Cup Joe on Jun 8, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to watch as much baseball as possible

outside of the A’s because I just really love the sport. However, I do know that when a pitcher is given a standing ovation, rookie or not, they tend to acknowledge the crowd in some way. I realize that this was Vinny’s first encounter with this type of situation and judging from his post-game quote it had to be incredibly overwhelming so I’ll give him a pass. I would like to see him and our other guys really work on that because without the fans there is nothing. I just hope we can keep talking about this because then that means we’ll be seeing a bunch more excellent pitching performances from our young guys!
Go A’s!!

" I may not know how to tango, but I sure as hell can man dance!" -Nate Robles

by DaSwinginA's on Jun 8, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

mazzaro was quoted as getting goosebumps

From the ovation. He said he’d never before gotten an ovation. He was probably too surprised to react much.

I’m writing with the phone and it’s hard for me to link, but the story is easy enough to find — probably SF chron.

by OaklandSi on Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think the youngsters are still learning how to act.

BTW: Love the picture in the post, thanks 67. Stew was the man for people who did more than look at the boxscore.

by Stew's Crew on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Now if only the historian can keep from wandering into math class, we’ll be fine.

I think I have three or four pics of Stew in that tip-of-the-hat pose.

Love hearing about Mazzaro’s goose bumps; clearly he had an appreciation of the moment.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

freaky

I’m sure you didn’t know I was a math teacher when you wrote that.

by Stew's Crew on Jun 8, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I did.

But it’s good to know for the next time I have an urge to wander.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Props to A's scout Jeff Bittiger

In the same story about Vin’s goosebumps, Slusser writes that Bittiger is the scout that is responsible for landing Vin Mazzaro, Andrew Bailey and our own Brad Ziegler.

Not too shabby.

I’m sure he’s also responsible for plenty of flame-outs, but he obviously knows what to look for in amatuer pitching.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 8, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Feel free to use this space for whatever is on your mind until game time.

I love playing Monopoly and I love how Roseanne is on TV Land into the wee hours of the night.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 8, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love lamp.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mikev killed a guy

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 8, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stand the newer Roseannes

It’s all about the old school Becky.

by smokelanda on Jun 8, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, you guys don't even know

How big of a Zan (my slang for Roseanne) fan I am. Me and some buddies watched a shitload of Roseanne over Christmas Break.

Oh, we call the two Becky’s Real and Fake Becky.

by Emmett89 on Jun 8, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fake Becky really irritated me on Roseanne,

but when I realized that was her on Scrubs (which I’ve only seen a few times) she didn’t seem so bad there. So I guess it’s not her; it’s just her pretending to be Becky.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Story in

Contra Costa. There is a link from A’s clubhouse on ESPN.COM

by jonxstri on Jun 8, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone tell me how to post a picture?

BTW thank you 67Marquez for all of your hard work. I love reading this site, for the past few years thanks to all of the wonderful writers. I am a NRAF and rarely log in because I am a jinx, but love AN. Thanks again!

by jonxstri on Jun 8, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Under where you type in your title in the comment box

there’s a tiny icon of a tree. Click on that icon, and then enter the URL of the image.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 8, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jinxes don't exist!

Come by more often.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 8, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Subs that shined

Doug Jennings, 1988. Big Hr early in the season, vs. The California Angles. His Hr in the top of the 8th seemed to start the team winning. Fox’s Hr broke the back of the Twins.

Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969

by billyball1981 on Jun 8, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the hat tip

I think the youngsters just didn’t know better, but I hope someone teaches them. It’s basic etiquette, and it’s classy. I assume they want to be classy.

I love the story where the Twins congratulate their rivals and root for keeping the championship within the division. I guess I must be old school, but that’s how I feel about the AL West. Seems like nowadays everyone is just the opposite, rooting for anyone but our AL West rivals in the playoffs in years when we don’t make it.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing about your first-inning stat
Coming into this month the A’s were just 5-6 in games in which they led after the first inning. They’re 4-1 in such contests in June.

That means that in the six games played in June, we actually had the lead after the first inning in five of them. Whereas in the 49 games played before June, we had the lead after the first inning in only eleven.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, couldn’t there be a lot of games where it was tied after the first inning – say, 0-0?

by spiffyjwc on Jun 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things

The Twins have the worst away record in the American League—→sweep!!——>PLAYOFFS!!!!111

and, anyone going on Wednesday?

by bobnothing on Jun 8, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hat tip

Really? Is this really what is important with all the good vibes going this week? You must’ve been the people who were mad that Obama didn’t wear a flag pin.

Maybe he was concentrating on remembering the moment.
Maybe he was saying a prayer.
Maybe he was nervous.
Maybe he’s insecure.
Maybe he is a recluse.
Maybe his neck hurt and he couldn’t look up.
Maybe somebody was holding up a cue card in the dugout that he was reading.
Maybe he hates people.
Maybe he had to piss and was holding it in.

WHO CARES? HIS PERFORMANCE HAPPENED ON THE MOUND, NOT ON THE WALK TO THE DUGOUT. JUST BE HAPPY HE’S ON THE GOOD GUYS’ SIDE!

I miss Eric Plunk

by chuckcheeze on Jun 8, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Chavvy to the Rangers for sticks and bum. Wash could rehabilitate him with his left pinky and a flaming bus driving his way.

And i bet he could take Jack Bauer with his eyes shut.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*gum, not bum

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange Twins memory

I always have “special” or odd feelings about the Twins because of an old stepfamily connection.

In the mid 70’s my parents divorced. My father then married the sister of Twins-then-Brewers-then-Pirates-then-Padres outfielder Steve Brye. An East Bay native and then a resident of the Oakland Hills, Brye is best known as being part of an ugly controversy that took place at the end of the 1976 season.

On the very last day of the ‘76 campaign, Hal McRae and George Brett were nearly tied for the batting title. Brett hit a soft liner to uncle Steve, who appeared – to many – to weakly go for the ball, letting it take a bounce. Brett took the batting title. McRae accused Twins Manager Gene Mauch of ordering Steve to let it bounce, and by the middle of the playoffs and end of the season Mauch and Brye were both being labeled as racists who didn’t want to see African American McRae first in batting average. The Twins did not offer ol’ Uncle Steve a contract that fall.

Brye, never a super great hitter but definitely one of those “serviceable major leaguers” and a pretty good outfielder, then bounced from team to team, finally retiring from the Padres organization in mid-1979.

My father and Steve’s sister bounced from argument to argument and finally retired their marriage in 1983.

by Mark H on Jun 8, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember that

unfortunate episode very well.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure your uncle Steve and Gene Mauch didn't deserve the label

But Calvin Griffith sure did. Not that I think he had the level of subtlety to engineer anything like that.

by Englishmajor on Jun 8, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah - a baseball racism classic

Didn’t he say something about moving the team to Minnesota from Washington (Senators) because there were far fewer Black people there compared to DC?

by Mark H on Jun 8, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I can't go THAT far into the 6 degrees of separation

But I work with Jesse Crain’s brother-in-law.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to know a girl who got hit on by Jeremy Giambi,

but then, that’s really not saying much, is it?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 8, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox's homerun

I also remember that homerun well. It was important to me because the A’s were in a very similar situation the previous year (1991), within a couple of games of the first place Twins, and playing a series in Minn. sometime in the July/August timeframe.

In that case the A’s had a 2 run lead in the top of the ninth (4-2, I believe), the bases loaded and Rickey at bat. Rickey took what was obviously ball four, but was called out on strikes. i said to myself, that’s OK as long as they don’t squeze Eck in the bottom of the ninth.

Minnesota had two on and two out in the ninth when Chili Davis took 2 different piches that were obviously strike three, but were not called as such. He then doubled in both runs and the Twins won in extra innings. the A’s were never the same after that.

So revenge in 1992 was sweet, and Bill King’s call of that homerun off of Aguilara was legendary.

by runnerJ on Jun 8, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice recollection

I vaguely recall that Chili Davis game. Sounds like the kind of loss that would have resulted me shopping for a new TV.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Stew picture

reminds me of this game, the best and most exciting pitcher’s duel I’ve ever seen in person: Stew and Frank Viola both threw CGs, with Stew allowing 8 hits and 1 BB, and K’ing 14. The A’s led 1-0 from early on, the Twins took a 2-1 lead in the 8th, the A’s tied it in the bottom of the inning, Stew K’d the last 2 hitters in the top of the 9th and Carney won it with a homer leading off the bottom of the 9th.

40,929 people at the Coliseum on a Saturday afternoon in August. Pandemonium.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 8, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, Nick

I noticed in the Fox game, Stew allowed 12 hits. He liked working in and out of danger.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too (Twins fan after the A's)

Hey “English major” – I am also a Minnesotas (a few years older than you) who grew up watching games at the old Metropolitan Stadium and who roots for the Twins, except when they play the A’s. That play-off series in 2006 was tough. I actually love going to games in the Dome – not because the stadium is decent but becaues I love Twins fans. They are really into it!

by sacto on Jun 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have an old (sports) hatred of the Twins, but it's mostly gone.

For so many years from 68 into the 70’s, the A’s & Twins grappled in the Western Division. My heart was broken many times by TC, most notably by Cesar Tovar, who hit a grand total of 46 homers. He hit a 10th inning grand slam in one of my first visits to the Coliseum and beat the A’s 5-1. For days I couldn’t shake the image of his homerun leaving the yard. I only have so much vitriol to spread around these days, and the Twins just don’t deserve much of it, not when the angels and giants exist.

JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker

by JJ Martin on Jun 8, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

That’s a bad recollection. Not allowed here. ;-)

Tovar – wasn’t he one of only two players to play all nine positions in a single game? (Campaneris the other)

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I could eat a lot of twinkies

they’re just air and softness.

AN was so much better before I got here.

by stormtown on Jun 8, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whaaaat!

My life just keeps getting worse & worse…

A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08

by schmifty on Jun 8, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Sweeney and Barton crossing like two ships in the night?
Tragic.

A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08

by schmifty on Jun 8, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but...but...we have the Fu Manchu now!

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineup:

1.Cabrera SS
2.Kennedy 2B
3.Cust DH
4.Holliday LF
5.Giambi 1B
6.Suzuki C
7.Cunningham RF
8.Hannahan 3B
9.Davis CF.

by chipper1001 on Jun 8, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

meh, just mannahan and Davis

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember when we were batting Cust a lot lower? THAT was smart! :P

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer

this guy. If all else, he’d make for a fun game at home.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barton called up today with sweeney on the DL

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Jun 8, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still have some faith in the boy, he's young

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm feeling particularly good about the game tonight

Because while setting up my office I opened a box of memorabilia including my ’A’s fan parking only’ signed by Matt Stairs, David Justice, and AJ Hinch. I used to try to catch A’s when they came through work but we always got more Giants than A’s coming by and I certainly didn’t want any of THEIR autographs. It also has all my all game tickets and baseball cards (mint McGwire and Canseco rookie cards, anyone? Chavez draft pick card? Signed Huston Street rookie cards? No one?), A’s helmets, pennants, Rickey souvenir jersey, etc. Aah, good times…

by worldblee on Jun 8, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I bet you don't have the Jermaine Dye signed JockStrap

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got me there

I do have a pair of shorts Michael Jordan wore in a photo shoot—kept ’em after we were done ;-).

by worldblee on Jun 8, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching the Yankees/Rays game.

Man I love Yankee Stadium. Everything goes over that right field wall. Sonnanstine has given up four home runs, all to right field. Funny stuff.

by OldhamA on Jun 8, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Barry Bonds to Yankee Stadium, Stat!

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matsui does look finished.

I bet Bonds can still hit…. ;-)

by OldhamA on Jun 8, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I hate Bonds and the Yankees

It would be entertaining to see the two go on a date. I’m thinking, like 10 games or so. If nothing else, fans can boo him and ridicule him as “not a true yankee”

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Sweeney Out

The A’s could sign Jimmy Edmonds so that by the time Sween’s back, his DL spot can be filled by Edmonds.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 8, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Make that 1 run.

Bases loaded nobody out though.

by OldhamA on Jun 8, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were you watching with the Rangers announcers?

Did you hear their diatribe about how they traded Esteban for Michael Young?

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 8, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be silly.

With MLB.tv I have the choice not to listen to them, one I’ve gladly taken.

by OldhamA on Jun 8, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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