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DLD 6/4/09: Knowledge is Power


You're supposed to learn something new every day. Today, make it baseball related. Find out more about Vin, the disabled list, or even Sports Blog Nation. Here is the whole enchilada and a side of fun.

Mazzaro's Debut: Dave Cameron crunches the numbers from Vin's debut. It's from Fangraphs, so be ready for a deluge of graphical analysis. Final word from Dave is that Mazzaro has significant adjustments to make if he's going to continue to be successful in the major leagues.

Dissecting the Disabled List by Team, Position, Year, and Injury: This should be required reading for every A's fan. You will be shocked to see that Oakland doesn't top every chart. Realize that the data looks at the years from 2002 to 2008. We're middle of the pack for DL usage, even with the parade of pain from the last two seasons.

Enhancing Your Reading Experience: a.k.a How to Read This Blog. Ever wanted to post a fireworks pic in a game thread after a win but couldn't figure out how? Maybe you want to find new comments in a FanPost without all that tedious scrolling. A quality FAQ-type article from Red Reporter (SBN Reds Blog) will have you caught up in no time.

Best MLB Players Taken at Each Draft Slot: More of a frivolous frolic through fantasy land than a draft preview of substance. Still quite fun. Did you know Manny Ramirez and Frank Tanana were two best players selected at the 13 slot? Also of interest, in 1981 Oakland used the 92nd pick (our pick again this year) in the draft to select Curt Young. Maybe this time we should go for a batting coach instead.

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Read today's column by Joe Posnanski...

And you might become better edumacated about A’s great Lefty Grove. I now am!

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/04/lefty/#more-2196

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 4, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Actor found dead

David Carradine’s apparant suicide

Actor David Carradine, star of the 1970s TV series “Kung Fu” who also had a wide-ranging career in the movies, has been found dead in the Thai capital, Bangkok. A news report said he was found hanged in his hotel room and was believed to have committed suicide.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 4, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think it was suicide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoerotic_fatalities

Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"

by popcornjames on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

THAT would explain it.

72 and hanging yourself sounds a little…I dunno…weird.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 4, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was fast

wikipedia already claims it is the most famous case.

I don’t know, it does seem weird to commit suicide when are that old and don’t have some sort of crippling disease. He was found naked, but in a closet? Maybe it was the only place to tie the cord to? Really strange and really strange to think about, not the best thing to do while alone either.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 4, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa!

So maybe it was the Five Point Palm Technique afterall. As to the most famous case to take self-gratification in excess, what about Michael Hutchence trying to get his New Sensation?

by LowcountryJoe on Jun 4, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holliday alread talking about being traded...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4229959

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jun 4, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

you blame him?

Thats all we’ve been talking about.

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Jun 4, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope... I don't blame him.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jun 4, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

while looking for a picture

of Lou Brown from major league in the game thread i found this. It old and deals with the Giants but still pretty funny and has a current member of the A’s.

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 4, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you a closet Giants fan?

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 4, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

not in the least

Reasons:
1. Live too far away to have two Cali teams.
2. They f’ed up my other fav team the Pirates
3. They couldnt beat the Angles in the WS in 2002
4. They just suck big donkey…

I just found it and it had Raj Davis in it

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 5, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

as to your point number 3,

that’s when I found out that I hated the Giants more than the Angels. I didn’t know it until then, but it was an interesting discovery.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

see my point exactly

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 5, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Point 3

Interestingly enough (to me anyways) I was rooting against the Angels then and I wasn’t even an A’s fan at the time. Just something compelled me to root against them.

"Swinging and missing to me is like 'Jesus, what happened?'" Scott Hatteberg

by Razr on Jun 6, 2009 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I can rationalize

wanting the Giants to lose in ‘02 (notice I didn’t say wanting the Angels to win). The Angels didn’t really become the Angels until after winning the Series, and winning our division in four of the next six seasons (twice clinching at the Coliseum). Up until then they had been to the playoffs three times and had not won a single series, so they just weren’t that hateable.

Now the Giants…if they had won, well here in the Bay Area, we would have never heard the end of it, and back then I cared about such things.

If they were to play in this year’s World Series, I would just prefer they both found a way to lose.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 6, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's high time we made a stand

and shook up the views of the common man.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 7, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pepe took it

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jun 4, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's always Pepe, isn't it?

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big Urb's

quite the wordsmith:

He handled everything hit to the hot corner with aplomb Wednesday, but he’d still love to get his favored piece of leather back.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 4, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today is June 4

67th anniversary of the Battle of Midway.

"Until Holiday comes around, I will refer to him as Coors Light." Ak_A

by doctorK on Jun 4, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

My Grandpa was there

I miss him bad right now, he passed away last August. Here is an excerpt from his personal diary (a first person account of history):

Brief summary of these days if it’s possible. June 4 exactly a month since May 4 and the Tulagi wound up. Contact made of 4 Jap carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, and 10 transport. They attacked Midway Island by the air first with the intention of crippling them so much the rest of the ships could blast the short batteries. Attack was beat off and all this time we were heading right for them.
Our attack groups from the Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown were launched. Task Force Seventeen- Yorktown, 2 cruisers and 5 tin cans was the support force of 16 and we really supported them.
Our planes attacked them around noon (were launched at 1052 when they were 120 miles away) We sunk one carrier.
As our planes were returning we were attacked by the other two Jap carriers. They were looking of the Enterprise & Hornet but found us- the support force instead. At 1406 the shooting began. Torpedo planes- most of them- were shot down before any damage done. But the dive bombers raised hell. They only tried to get us when we tried to protect the Yorktown which was all the time. I saw a near miss on the Yorktown. Water really went up. After the attack the Yorktown was smoking quite badly. Bomb went down her stack. All together she was hit with three bombs. Admiral Fletcher transferred his smoke covered flag over to the Astoria.

by jeffro on Jun 4, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow, that is great.

Thanks for posting that!

Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"

by popcornjames on Jun 4, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

The section in his diary about Midway is much longer. We all knew he had it, but none of us were allowed to read it while he was living.

I always thought there must be something horrible written in it, but when we finally read it… It was more a literal telling of things that happened over the course of his days in the military starting at the day he decided to enlist, December 7th 1941.

My favorite part was at the very beginning:

In the event of my death and this diary is saved from destruction, it is my fervent wish that someone send it to my mother.

by jeffro on Jun 4, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Things I learn from Athletics magazine:

Travis Buck’s nickname is “Simba.” And he would sing a Backstreet Boys song if he had to audition on American Idol. Learning these things accomplished nothing, but it was amusing.

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I find him less attractive now.

Yes, in that way.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 4, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So gay.

I love you.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 4, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan did the Q&A on the last page in this month's issue

and I kinda disagreed with some of his answers, but I don’t remember what they were. I’ll post later if I remember…

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 4, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is the June issue out yet?

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll find out this weekend.

I have to get one autographed by a certain someone for a certain someone.

by lynnzgal on Jun 4, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was out on the last homestand. Has Holliday on the cover.

There’s also a feature article about Dallas, which I’m sure is interesting, but I haven’t read it yet.

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 4, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey

since you are here, and apparently I am also, did you still that want that giveaway?

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 4, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently I am a hit-and-run poster.

(Don’t stay around to see the aftermath of my comments.)

Um, as for the giveaway, I’m flexible. You can definitely give it to someone else if they want it, no big deal.

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 5, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm the same way.

No worries.

Cool, I do have someone who would be glad to take it off my dining room table hands, so yeah. Just wanted to mention it again in case.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait.

Am I getting some free shit out of this conversation or no?

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 5, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

Is that cool LB? B.ecause I can wait

by lynnzgal on Jun 4, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha!

I hate what happens with the punctuation on this site.

by lynnzgal on Jun 4, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, no problem~

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice!

I’ll have to check that out next time I go somewhere that sells it.

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

{gasp!}

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone watching the Giants game?

Randy Johnson’s attempt at win #300….and the bullpen currently has the bases loaded…

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jun 4, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah, and Dunn struck out....

let’s see if the bullpen can hold it through the 9th for him….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Jun 4, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that was Randy Johnson's family they just showed

his daughters have his nose, and that’s not a compliment.

by OldhamA on Jun 4, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the official one or the abandoned one?

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Jun 4, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's got abandoned family?

There’s a guy to root for.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the nose was what was abandoned.

So how do you leave a nose on Gilligan’s island?

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Jun 5, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

FedEx.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I can' t think of ANY part of Randy Johnson

that would look good on a daughter.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some draft speculation

Local boys who may be playing in some podunk town very soon

by jeffro on Jun 4, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

More CSNCA classic A's

This game is on right now. Top of 5th, Cleveland ahead 5-4. Gaudin is pitching for the A’s, Shannon Stewart in LF, Milty in CF (this was before he got DFA’d), Swish in RF, KenDoll catching (very gritty).

"Until Holiday comes around, I will refer to him as Coors Light." Ak_A

by doctorK on Jun 4, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Must get the DTA already.

My first experience was not good, but damn!

by lynnzgal on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to see this game back then

We were driving home from Clear Lake, and did not have great radio reception (sound familiar), so I could barely follow the game.

"Until Holiday comes around, I will refer to him as Coors Light." Ak_A

by doctorK on Jun 4, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait!

You have a place at Clear Lake?

by lynnzgal on Jun 4, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

My sister-in-law and her husband have one

We just get to visit.

"Until Holiday comes around, I will refer to him as Coors Light." Ak_A

by doctorK on Jun 5, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why, gf?

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pink bats!

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched the bottom of the 9th only

What an at-bat by Chavy with two outs, took the count full and then singled. Clutch! I think that is kind of lost in the excitement of the 2 HRs.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like the "oldies" radio stations that play songs from the 1980s.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 5, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That scares me.

Because all of a sudden, songs I remember from growing up are on the oldies station.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 5, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the station says "oldies"

I want to hear Frank Sinatra, dagnabbit!

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 5, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus one million.

Where is my KABL?

Oh yea, they moved it to Monterrey and renamed it The Paizan. Now I listen to Memories 89.1, out of Menlo High School, which plays big band jazz and swing and similar. Horrible signal, really. Worse than 860AM. But I can get it decent in Fremont and most of northern SJ. Oh yea, I’m 31.

by LoneStranger on Jun 8, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, I haven't looked but...

Game number 20.
Dave Stewart’s no hitter
Game number 18
2000 Division clincher

Right off the top of my head 4 games that are light years more classic than anything that happened in 2007.

by jeffro on Jun 5, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well hello there.

Our own 67M answers Q’s about our loveable losers (what? they’re still 8 games under .500) for an O’s blog.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

also worth a look at the pictures

but she has good form could be orf use with a tad but a control work

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 5, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

tee-hee

“I’ve been signing balls all day . . .”

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

T(in fact was)WSS

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on Jun 9, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Washington article

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/03/SPC7180CI7.DTL

The word on Ron Washington, the former A’s coach who was a favorite among players and fans, was that he wouldn’t buy into the A’s way of running a team or take kindly to every suggestion from general manager Billy Beane.

by Trainman on Jun 5, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Jose Reyes has a torn hamstring

and there’s some discussion about whether Crosby or O-cabs could be a viable replacement.

Some of the commenters on mlbtraderumors (which I imagine to have flappy heads like the Canadians in South Park), are suggesting a Holliday + O-cabs blockbuster, but I don’t see anything in the Mets farm that they would be willing to part with that the A’s actually want. So for a more modest Crosby/O-cab salary dump, what do you think we could get? Do we dare?

by cityplANner on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I miss Washington

My favorite thing ever was watching a spring training game where Wash was wearing a mic.
He was coaching third and talking to Ray Fosse and Greg Pappa during the game.

Jeremy Giambi ripped a triple and Wash congratulated him. Giambi responded, “I f%^&ing pissed on that ball!”

(insert awkward silence)

Wash half laughed, “Jeremy, I am miced.”

Must see TV if ever there was such a beast.

by jeffro on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must find that.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 5, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

was that also the game where Mulder pitched for the first time on tv?

He started his first batter off with a changeup and Washington said “kid can PITCH”? I loved that.

AN was so much better before I got here.

by stormtown on Jun 5, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't remember.

It was around that time period though, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

by jeffro on Jun 5, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough the internets aren't very helpful with this question.

How do you remove graffiti from a tree? The only suggestion I saw that sounded like it could work was sanding it off.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

You could cut down the tree as well

Or paint it a new color.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

a little extreme to cut it down.

I also heard painting trees was bad for them because the tree can’t breath, although I did see some special tree paint online but I think it was for a different application and doesn’t come in colors.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Find the guy that did it.

Kill him.

Grind the body up and use it as fertilizer.

Oh, also, use a citrus based cleaner/degreaser and then power wash the tree.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 5, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

he was real original too, he tagged the word “tree”.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

wanted to make sure you didn't mistake it for some other entity.

Entirely reasonable.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 5, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once you remove the tagging

the same guy will come back and tag it “Wooden post with arms?”

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Jun 5, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then he'd just be guessing.

The beauty of “tree” is it sounds so self-possessed, like he knows it’s a tree and is daring anyone to challenge his belief structure. Kind of like a 16 year-old and God.

"A few of the guests, who had the misfortune of being too near the windows, were seized and feasted upon at once.""--Pride and Prejudice And Zombies

by Leopold Bloom on Jun 5, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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